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Falwell and Savage Christians: A Legacy of Hate and Violence
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The late Rev. Jerry Falwell was one of the most powerful men in American religious and political life. He was also an avowed segregationist, contending that Africans were the cursed descendants of Ham, and worthy only of subservience to white people. He was an adamant opponent of civil rights legislation, calling the Civil Rights Act a "civil wrong."
His segregationist ardor became inconvenient when he sought a national audience. He removed many of his sermons from the 1950s and 1960s from his Liberty University archive. His lies paid off as the media made Falwell the Christian spokesman for all issues related to religion and politics. They soft-pedaled or even ignored his attacks on the civil rights movement. Yet Falwell's followers were under no misapprehension. They knew what their man wanted and followed in his foot steps.
Mark Uhl, a student at Liberty University, was in possession of homemade bombs when he was arrested at Falwell's funeral. He reportedly planned to use them against any protesters who might disrupt the festivities. Uhl had this to say on the social networking website My Space. "Christians, fear of death, fear of death. The fear of death shows you don't believe." He added this eye opening statement as well. "God needs soldiers to fight so his children may live free. Are you afraid??? I'm not. SEND ME!!!" Uhl sounds an awful lot like Osama bin Laden, who exhorts Muslims not to fear death when fighting in the name of their religion.
While Americans have been told to fear Islam and all things Muslim, Christians are riding around with home made bombs. The Uhl story was mentioned by the media for only a day or two. The threat from Christians who publicly express a willingness to die for their faith goes unreported.
The terror attack that took place on September 11, 2001 was an aberration in more ways than one. Muslims were the perpetrators, but that is usually not the case. The purveyors of hate and violence in America are almost always Christians.
Recently members of that same group had a collective hissy fit about Muslims. A Pew poll indicated that a small number of American Muslims, a minority of only 8 percent, considered suicide bombing acceptable under certain circumstances. The vast majority, 78 percent, said suicide bombing against civilian targets was never acceptable.
The selective outrage was immediate, but few commentators pointed out what Christians tell pollsters about their urge to maim and kill. Most Christians, 65 percent of Protestants and 72 percent of Catholics, believe that torture is justifiable under certain circumstances. Nearly half of Americans, 46 percent, believe that it may be acceptable to deliberately target civilian populations in war time. An average of 75 percent of Muslims in Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia and Morocco believe that such attacks are never acceptable.
Just as it is unfair to smear all Muslims with the legacy of bin Laden, it would be unfair to smear all Christians as disciples of Jerry Falwell. Muslims are constantly asked to denounce their members who are terrorists. Why is there no similar demand of Christians? Will the good Christians, the peaceful ones, ever speak out against their co-religionists who carry bombs in their cars or drop them on civilians in Iraq?
The public reaction to Falwell's death showed how ineffectual the supposedly good Christians have become. Few were willing to point out the numerous examples of his hate speech. An opportunity was lost because of ridiculous prohibitions against speaking ill of the dead. The good Christian soldiers don't know how to fight.
Christians perpetrated the crusades, the inquisition, the slave trade and imperial adventures too numerous to mention. It may be comforting to pat ourselves on the back and consign those behaviors to past centuries. We are living in the 21st century after all. Who would use the name of the Christian God to justify mass killing? A majority of modern day American Christians, that's who.
Perhaps the argument used against Muslims should be applied to Christians instead. Their religion has been hijacked by fundamentalist fanatics while the non-fanatics remain silent. The term clash of civilizations is definitely a misnomer. There can be no clash unless both sides are in fact civilized. Any assertion of American civilization is clearly open to question.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 31, 2007 12:42 AM
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Consider this:
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness, sake.
For their's is the kingdom of Heaven.
Examine those words very closely. Those are the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospel According to Matthew, known famously as the Sermon on the Mount. Ask yourselves this question: in reading those words, did the name of Jerry Falwell come to mind? I didn't think so.
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY.
"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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» Thank you, Tom Degan. Those words never remind me of anyone in the "Christian right"
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 31, 2007 1:15 AM
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Christ vs. Conservatism: A Serious Conflict
Cheers!
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Posted by: edith on May 31, 2007 1:22 AM
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Well, in a nation that is over 90% "Chrisitian", that will happen. That observation by the author is as intelligent as a statement that "The purveyors of hate and violence in Iraq are almost always Muslims."
Perhaps law enforcement should cease all efforts to stop terrorist plots by Muslims against civilian targets in America and in the West. Then we could give Muslim purveyors of violence an equal opportunity to kill and maim.
In fact, putting aside the ridiculous views of Jerry Falwell, his followers have caused negligible criminal damage to persons and property compared with the horrendous toll Islamist extremism has caused from North Africa to Afghanistan. I'm not arguing for American intervention. I'm simply stating that Islam is right now the most violent faith on Earth.
America's own violence in the Persian Gulf region is based not on religion but on oil strategic interests. Falwell may have been a quack, but he was a piker when it came to urging his followers to destroy and maim. This article tries to make something out of nothing.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on May 31, 2007 2:26 AM
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At the end of the day a theist is just a theist. When will people learn that “god' is just meant to control the minds and the money of stupid people?
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Posted by: EasterBunny on May 31, 2007 2:53 AM
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here's one of the most absurd quotes:
"The term clash of civilizations is definitely a misnomer. There can be no clash unless both sides are in fact civilized. Any assertion of American civilization is clearly open to question."
what, because of falwell? it takes more than a few reactionary jackasses to undermine an entire civilization. this whole article was hyperbole field day.
and we're supposed to buy into the idea that the muslim world is MORE civilized? yeah sure, throwing acid on women who don't wear head scarves. That's civilized. give me a break.
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Posted by: LMNOP on May 31, 2007 7:25 AM
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» Top-notch satire. Thanks.
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Posted by: MLO on May 31, 2007 8:11 AM
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Like so many non-Christians and faux Christians, you make the mistake of believing that Religiosity and false theology is equal to Christianity. It is not. Christianity is, in reality, a very, very small community of believers. It just seems large because of all the "cultural" Christians who preach and practice antichrist tenants such as violence. I have met very few real Christians - those who devote their lives to Christ and know they are in no place to judge where someone else is or isn't.
Christians are not of this world once they accept Christ. This does not mean there is no responsibility within this world. We are judged by what we do. Martyrdom is valued - but only if you did not engage in violence to bring it on.
Now, the idea that Christians started the Crusades is just a historical lie. Islam was originally started and expanded by a conqueror mentality - specifically, by the sword. Study dhimmitude before going on about the wonders of Islam - now political religiosity in historical Christendom is no better, but they were antichrist, not of Christ. Islam swept through the Middle East destroying Christian enclave after Christian enclave. This is a historical fact. The Crusades were an answer to a call for help by the Byzantine Christians to the Holy See in Rome. That fact seems to be lost on modern popular and "politically correct" historians. (Both the right and left are filled with people who think there is a nice little answer absolving either side. There isn't.)
Ask the present day Coptics (non-Western and non-Nicene Christian sect) in Egypt can attest, Islamic governments encourage violence against Christians. I have studied early monotheism in depth and know the violence that was propagated between Christian factions as far out as Beijing. That, however, came from religiosity, not Christianity. Christianity is not meant to be of this world in the same way Islam or Judaism are.
Christians in the Islamic world have only truly thrived when a sectarian government - not a Muslim government - has been in place. Think Syria. Even Turkey is not that great for Christians - ask an Armenian about that.
I take umbrage at the idea that anyone who would call themselves a Christian who would support violence against another in the name of morals or religion. That is the spirit of antichrist, not of Christ. Christ taught the forgiveness of sins and the loving of one's enemies. To do otherwise is to inflict the Crucifixion upon Christ once again.
Pray not for Peace, but for Christ's quick return. As things look now, we are going to destroy ourselves pretty darn quickly.
Pax,
MLO
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Posted by: willymack on May 31, 2007 10:16 AM
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Posted by: mgloraine on May 31, 2007 10:38 AM
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What is still relevant is the dispensation of the political organization and accumulated assets he leaves behind. When someone arises and attempts to wrap himself in the MANTLE of Jerry Falwell, then the next opponent will have identified himself and you may fire at will. Feel free to debunk any Falwellian Mythology which may arise.
One of the most common problems people have is understanding that the Falwell organization was created to be a political cash-cow with Jerry as the figurehead or "poster-boy". All of the Religionist tirades and trappings are strictly for effect. The real mission is to make lots of money to be used to sponsor political candidates and initiatives. That's politics no matter how many times they praise Jesus.
The same can be seen to be true of Al Qaeda, Hamas, and all of the so-called Islamist groups. They throw around a bit of Muslim jargon, declare a jihad, then pursue military and political objectives. These are also not religious groups, and religious differences per se are not the actual motives for their actions.
To debate which religion may be in error is to fall into the false dilemma set by political opponents with political (and economic) axes to grind. It will be necessary to see through the smokescreens on all sides to get an idea of the true motives and objectives of people like Falwell and bin Laden.
Forget about what they say. Observe what they do with their money and materiel.
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Posted by: xbj on May 31, 2007 11:00 AM
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Because remembering doesn't do shit; we remembered Viet Nam and got Iraq; we remembered Hitler and got Bush; we remembered Stalin and got Cheney; we remembered Jezebel and got Condoleeza Rice, "drunk with the blood of the Innocents."
Let these bastards rest in hell, and spit on their graves.
Once. And then wipe them from the face of all human history, forever.
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Posted by: persian on May 31, 2007 10:59 AM
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I think the real problem is the faith itself, the problem is when we see supposedly fully evolved human beings still believe that the creator sacrificed his son for our sin or picked a very horny middle age arab to be his prophet.
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 31, 2007 12:10 PM
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That's because they DON'T go through with it. Maybe one or possibly two abortion clinic killers have ended up dead themselves (correct me if it's more), and that's been about it. So far! I'll grant that it's something to worry about for the future.
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Posted by: ibemee on May 31, 2007 2:02 PM
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I thought it was against the law for a NON-PROFIT religion to preach politics? Apparently not so, as long as they preach FOR Zionists!
PLEASE google Hagee!! There's no way I can tell you all his Sacreligious SINS! All his TAX-FREE BILLIONS and all his PROPERTY TAX-FREE ACRES - ENORMOUS RANCH, WITH EVERY PART OF IT TAX FREE.
While the filthy fat frog wallows in money, preaching for the PNAC-'neo-cons' and Israel he scams the gullible and exhorts them to bigotry and hate while frightening them into sending more and more money to him, to 'save' Israel and to help him support BushCo to fight off the "Terrorists" who are about to kill American babies... or they'll go to hell, of course.
Well, if people are sent to Hell for being STUPID, it's sure going to be crowded!!
PS~ if you have a strong stomach, watch him on a Sunday and see for yourself what a HATE-MONGER and ZIONIST he is! He's on FOX--- (surprise!?)
MEANWHILE ~ WHY THE HELL IS HE ALLOWED THE TAX-FREE STATUS??? HE IS DEFINATELY NOTHING B-U-T POLITICAL!! Our schools, education and police and should be benefitting from his obscene tax-free income!
WHAT A HYPOCRITICAL SOB!!! He makes Falwell look like a piker.
BTW- don't JUST google --- use a couple other search engines too - because lately there are a lot of "Not Found" pages at google concerning certain BushCo/AEI/PNAC searches. >:-(
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Posted by: dkm on May 31, 2007 2:37 PM
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McVeigh, the various antiabortionist groups, the white supremacist groups, this knucklehead at Liberty U, the woman who was running a summer camp to train Christian jihadists in North Dakota, the KKK, The Reconstructionists, The Yunque, and so on.
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 31, 2007 3:17 PM
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No surprise that Falwell removed '60s sermons from his archives. But when he died the MSM barely mentioned his enthusiastic support of the apartheid regime in South Africa, just for one more recent example. Anyone who was reading newspapers in the '80s might recall that, but a lot of his obits didn't even go into that.
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Posted by: sofla100 on May 31, 2007 3:32 PM
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War in Iraq, thousands of Americans and tens, perhaps hundreds of thosands of Iraqi's dead.
A systematic and progressive erosion of America's constitution. Precedent set for illegal evesdropping, torture and illegal imprisonment.
An escalation of "global warming," and pending potential global enviornment catastrophe.
The continuation of "free trade" in many countries. Tens of thousands working in slave labor conditions in countries such as China, to the benefit of American corporations and "inevstors."
It goes on and on. Don't just look at terrorism as the desperate acts of a few, it can and often is the systematic policy of one country towards another or one economic class towards another.
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» RE: These "Christians" are Really The Biggest Terrorists of All
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 31, 2007 3:34 PM
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Phelps delighted in Falwell's death and called him a "corpulent false prophet," among many other zingers that must be causing a commotion down below.
Mark Uhl, the potential Christian terrorist cited by the author, would have been killing other Christian terrorists IF he had actually done anything. But she's upset that the news media did not report Uhl's thoughts about his non-action.
"Man considers biting dog" is not news.
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» RE: The protestors at Falwell's funeral? FRED PHELPS' CHURCH!
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» RE: The protestors at Falwell's funeral? FRED PHELPS' CHURCH!
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» RE: The protestors at Falwell's funeral? FRED PHELPS' CHURCH!
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Posted by: eosrk on May 31, 2007 4:15 PM
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Thank you, Moral Majority, whom have managed to bring down the quality of life here, have installed an multi-billion dollar prison business, but however......your plans did backfired badly with the introduction of the internet. Though you have succeded in keeping getthoes seperate from thriving suburbanites, the internet links everybody......everybody!!
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Posted by: Progressive Citizen on Jun 2, 2007 10:08 PM
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Basically, the Religious Right--and modern social conservatism--is the revenge of the segregationists. I am not saying that every member, or even most members of the Religious Right are segregationists today, but their rigid and exclusive worldview appears like it is a relic stemming from the slaveholding, segregated South.
In fact, according to the recent book American Theocracy by Kevin Phillips (who knows a thing or two about the modern Right, as he wrote the book The Emerging Republican Majority and helped engineer the rise of the GOP in the 1960s and 1970s), the original Baptist Church was highly egalitarian for its day and even gave women far more status within the Church than most other denominations at the time.
It was only when the Baptist Church branched into the slaveholding South that its Southern Baptist denomination arose, and this branch of the Church accommodated itself to the class-ridden, elitist ways of a slaveholding society, one of them being the rigid and narrow judgments of human beings that do not fit into perfect, sterile little boxes. This trait carried on as slavery became Jim Crow.
Today the open defense of racism by the Religious Right has become muted and their exclusive and domineering core values have been openly used against gays for being themselves and women for seeking equality.
Yet the key values of the Religious Right, and the modern Right as a whole, have their roots in the slaveholding and Jim Crow South. And these values play themselves out in a wide variety of political actions, from the Federal Marriage Amendment farce to the blood-soaked tragedy in Iraq.
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Posted by: ebachan on Jun 4, 2007 12:04 PM
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The Bible teaches to kill certain people because of their beliefs or action. It teaches that non-believers are fools. And a host of other babble that if main stream media were to spew forth as their ideas would have them behind bars in minutes. Yet, call hate the word of God and we wind up with the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas protesting at GI funerals because "American soldiers are being killed in Iraq as vengeance from God for protecting a country that harbors gays. " Apparently, love, forgiveness, and acceptance are not something practiced at this House of God or unfortunately, in the hearts and minds of many of our fellow Christians.
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» RE: you confuse True Chirstianity with Christianism
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Posted by: xbj on Jun 6, 2007 11:03 PM
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The god that Falwell and Bush (and many others) pray to is Lucifer, not Jesus Christ. As the god that Islamic terrorists pray to is not Allah either, but Lucifer.
Lucifer is the god and creator of hate and revenge and death and "just" war and jihad and "holy" war and the "war" "against" "terror"; Jesus Christ is God of love and peace.
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Posted by: shd1230 on Jun 13, 2007 12:55 PM
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The message taught by Jesus of Nazareth was not one of violence nor of killing. That much should be evident from reading the words ascribed to him in the New Testament. "What is the greatest commandment?" he was asked by the Pharisees, who were seeking to entrap him scripturally.
The greatest commandment, he answered, was "Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind." The second, he added, had the same meaning--"Love your fellow-man AS YOURSELF." Now he knew, as we know, that both of those commandments are impossible to obey--but that to him meant only that we should spend all our lives trying to do both.
I am not a "theist." I have long since come to the conclusion that "God" in any form is an invention of mankind designed to explain the unexplainable and fathom the unfathomable. People like Jerry Falwell who cry "Lord, Lord," will, if anything, be confronted with a Jesus who will say to them in that day "Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity--I know ye not."
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