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A 'Ho' By Any Other Color: The History and Economics of Black Female Sexual Exploitation

By Dr. Edward Rhymes, Black Agenda Report. Posted May 19, 2007.


While white women's sexuality is celebrated in movies and magazines, Black women acting out the same behavior are relegated to the ranks of whoredom.
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Don Imus in his "apology" went on to say that the term "ho" didn't originate in the white community, but rather in the Black community. As the term "ho" is a variation of the word "whore" (a word not foreign to the American lexicon and indeed has been used with great frequency in the white community), that assertion does not hold water. So once again, what is endemic in American society is viewed as a specific "Black" identifier or just a "Black thing." That would be the equivalent of saying that the first person to call the television a TV undeniably invented it or the individual who first referred to the automobile as a car, now holds the patent to the creation. However, let it be understood, this truth does not excuse or exonerate sexist hip-hop from its shameful contribution to the debasement of women.

In regard to gender, there have been two, pronounced, conflicting and unjust narratives concerning female sexuality in America. Although all women who were viewed or accused as loose or promiscuous faced the ire and consternation of a (predominantly white) male-dominated society, there has always been this duplicitous racial application of the penalties incurred for committing perceived "moral" crimes against society. Historically, White women, as a category, have been portrayed as examples of self-respect, self-control, and modesty -- even sexual purity -- but Black women were often (and still are) portrayed as innately promiscuous, even predatory. I would like to focus on the various ways White female sexual promiscuity has been viewed, recognized and oft-times celebrated in today's media and in popular culture.

In her publication, "Female Chauvinist Pigs," New York magazine writer Ariel Levy argues that the recent trend for soft-porn styling in everything from music videos to popular TV is reducing female sexuality to its basest levels. In short: "A tawdry, tarty, cartoon-like version of female sexuality has become so ubiquitous, it no longer seems particular."

Kathleen Parker in her article, "Girls Gone Ridiculous," further elaborates this point: "... the message to girls the past 20 years or so has been that they can be and do anything they please. Being a stripper or a porn star is just another option among many. In some feminist circles, porn is seen as the ultimate feminist expression -- women exercising autonomy over their bodies, profiting from men's desire, rather than merely being objectified by it. Self-exploitation has become the raised middle finger of women's sexual freedom." And that "raised middle-finger" in popular culture, rap videos aside, has largely been a white one.

Society, by and large, has deracialized white female sexual explicitness while at the same time strongly accentuating what is perceived as Black female promiscuity and immodesty. That message has been communicated to us time and time again on the pages of Maxim, FHM, Playboy, Penthouse and Sports Illustrated -- and this list goes on. Although these mags have, in the past 10 years, featured more women of color, they are still (overwhelmingly) a celebration of white female sexual explicitness.

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The ultra-celebrity accorded to white female sexual explicitness burst on the scene in the person of Marilyn Monroe. Can anyone argue that Monroe was more recognized for her acting talents than for her "natural assets?" Yet, she is regarded as a legend. The celebrity that has been granted to white women such as Anna Nicole Smith, Pamela Anderson, Carmen Elecktra, Paris Hilton and a whole host of others, is also given based upon sexual assets and not upon talent. This theme is consistent in today's raunch-infested society, but the raunchiness, once again, is deracialized when the practitioners are white. WWE women's wrestling has increased in popularity in the past few years with its predominantly white roster of sex-kittens and their highly sexualized plots and subplots. Even current and former white porn stars such as Ginger Lynn, Traci Lords and Jenna Jameson are made the topics of E! Hollywood True Stories exposes, thus giving them a place of prominence and legitimacy and without ever linking their promiscuity to her whiteness. While, in contrast, one would be hard-pressed to name as many Black women (or any other women of color) -- absent of talent -- who enjoy the same level of celebrity and success.

Even in, seemingly light-hearted (at least that is the impression that we've been given), popular movies we see this phenomenon played out. Risky Business, the film that introduced Tom Cruise to mainstream America, was about a young man (with the help of a spunky prostitute fleeing her pimp, played by Rebecca De Mornay) who opened up a brothel in his parent's home while they were away on vacation. Pretty Woman, the film that made Julia Roberts a megastar, essentially is a remake of the children's classic Cinderella, except this time Cinderella is a hooker. The Woody Allen (that alone gives it legitimacy) film The Mighty Aphrodite stars Mira Sorvino in the "acceptable" prostitute role (for which she won an Oscar). In the recent film, The Girl Next Door (featuring another rising star, Elisha Cuthbert) the movie centers on the relationship between an accomplished high school senior and his 19 year-old porn star (Cuthbert) neighbor. In the descriptions of the main characters in these films (the women) words such as, free-spirited, spunky, playful, spontaneous were used. I tried imagining these same films with Black main characters and I could not envision the same light-hearted response by the American public-at-large. There has yet to be a critically-acclaimed or commercially successful film, where a central character was a Black prostitute. So even when the "textbook" requirements of what constitutes being promiscuous is met, her whiteness saves the day. Even at her most licentious, she is made to appear innocent, wholesome and strangely virginal.

These movies were huge box office successes, and if one subscribes to the theory that the lyrics contained in some hip-hop songs desensitizes individuals to misogyny and normalizes sexism, then that same ethos would have to applied to the films that have essentially "deified" and normalized white female explicitness and promiscuity. So when the same messages that are being demonized in hip-hop are also found in these popular films and white-dominated music genres (but couched in the safety and familiarity of whiteness), what society is essentially telling us is that it is better PR that hip-hop needs, not a lessening of sexist themes in their music and videos.

So it has to be understood that racism is at the heart of this current debate regarding misogyny and sexism. America continues to prove (day in and day out) that it has absolutely no problem with sexual promiscuity. So what is their problem with hip-hop? It is the sheer "Blackness" of it. Historically (as well as now), there has been a fear of Black (especially Black male) sexuality. This irrational and racist fear was repeatedly used in the countless lynchings of Black men in the history of this nation (which often included castration as well). Black equals dangerous; Black equals savage; Black equals barbaric; Black equals forbidden, infected and inferior. Therefore hip-hop, like Blackness, is something that society should be, must be, protected from. It is from this context that ALL things Black have been realized and it is from this context that white female sexual explicitness has been sanitized.

The History of the "Sexploitation" of the Black Woman

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The degrading images of Black women were cemented in American culture centuries previous to the first rapper uttering their first words into a microphone. The English colonists accepted the Elizabethan image of "the lusty Moor," (Moor being Elizabethan for Black) and used this and similar stereotypes to justify enslaving Blacks. In part, this was accomplished by arguing that Blacks were subhumans: intellectually inferior, culturally stunted, morally underdeveloped, and with a bestial sexuality. The hypersexualized stereotype of Black women was used during slavery as a rationalization for sexual relations between White men and Black women, especially sexual unions involving masters and slaves. The Black woman was depicted as a woman with an insatiable appetite for sex. She was not satisfied with Black men. It was claimed that the female slave desired sexual relations with White men; therefore, White men did not have to rape Black women. James Redpath, who was of all things an abolitionist, wrote that slave women were "gratified by the criminal advances of Saxons." This view is contradicted by Frederick Douglass, the abolitionist and former slave, who claimed that the "slave woman is at the mercy of the fathers, sons or brothers of her master." Douglass's account is consistent with the accounts of other former slaves. In Narrative of the Life and Adventures of Henry Bibb, An American Slave, Bibb tells of how his master forced a young slave to be his son's concubine; later, Bibb and his wife were sold to a Kentucky trader who forced Bibb's wife into prostitution.

Slave women were property; therefore, legally they could not be raped. Often slavers would offer gifts or promises of reduced labor if the slave women would consent to sexual relations. Nevertheless, as John D'Emilio and Estelle B. Freedman state in Intimate Matters: A Sexual History of Sexuality In America, "the rape of a female slave was probably the most common form of interracial sex" during that time.

The idea that Black women were naturally and unavoidably sexually immoral was reinforced by several features of the slavery institution. Slaves, whether on the auction block or offered privately for sale, were often stripped naked and physically examined. In premise, this was done to ensure that they were healthy, able to reproduce, and, equally important, to look for whipping scars -- the presence of which implied that the slave was rebellious. In practice, the stripping and touching of slaves had a sexually exploitative, sometimes sadistic function. Nakedness, especially among women in the 18th and 19th centuries, implied lack of civility, morality, and sexual restraint even when the nakedness was forced. Slaves, of both sexes and all ages, often wore few clothes or clothes so ragged that their legs, thighs, and chests were exposed. Conversely, Whites, especially women, wore clothing over most of their bodies. The contrast between the clothing reinforced the belief that White women were civilized, modest, and sexually pure, whereas Black women were crude, immodest, and sexually deviant.

Black slave women were also frequently pregnant. The institution of slavery depended on Black women to supply future slaves. By every method imaginable, slave women were "encouraged" to reproduce. Deborah Gray White, in Ar'n't I a Woman?, speaks of major periodicals carrying articles detailing optimal conditions under which bonded women were known to reproduce, and the merits of a particular "breeder" were often the topic of parlor or dinner table conversations. Gray White goes on to say "the fact that something so personal and private became a matter of public discussion prompted one ex-slave to declare that 'women wasn't nothing but cattle.' Once reproduction became a topic of public conversation, so did the slave woman's sexual activities."

The portrayal of Black women as sexually promiscuous began in slavery, extended through the Jim Crow period, and continues today. Although the Mammy distortion was the dominant popular cultural image of Black women from slavery to the 1950s, the depiction of Black women as sexually licentious was common in American material culture. There was practically no item that was considered out-of-bounds in depicting the Black woman as immodest and lacking in sexual restraint as ordinary articles such as ashtrays, postcards, sheet music, fishing lures, drinking glasses, featured scantily-clad Black women. For example, a metal nutcracker, from the 1930's, depicts a topless Black woman. The nut is placed under her skirt, in her crotch, and crushed. Were sexually explicit items such as these made in the image of white women? Yes. However, they were never mainstreamed like the objects that caricatured Black women. The seamy novelty objects depicting white women were sold on the down-low, the QT and always hush-hush. An analysis of these racist items also reveals that Black female children were sexually objectified. Black girls, with the faces of pre-teenagers, were drawn with adult sized buttocks, which were exposed. They were naked, scantily clad, or hiding seductively behind towels, blankets, trees, or other objects.

As we enter the late 60's and early 70's the vestiges of the old Mammy and Picaninny caricatures were replaced with the supersexualized female (as well as male) protagonists and heroines -- often in the form of prostitutes or women using sex as a means to the greater end of achieving a vendetta. These films are now referred to as "blaxploitation" movies. These movies were supposedly steeped in the Black experience. However, many were produced and directed by Whites. Author and film historian Daniel J. Leab in his narrative, Sambo to Superspade: The Black Experience in Motion Pictures, wrote: "Whites packaged, financed, and sold these films, and they received the bulk of the big money." The world depicted in blaxploitation movies included corrupt police and politicians, pimps, drug dealers, violent criminals, prostitutes, and whores. In the main, these movies were low-budget, formulaic interpretations of Black life by White producers, directors, and distributors. Black actors and actresses, many unable to find work in mainstream movies, found work in blaxploitation movies. Black patrons supported these movies because they showed Blacks fighting the "White establishment," resisting the "pigs" (police), in control of their fate and sexual beings.

There are compelling parallels between this period and where we find ourselves today in regard to sexist hip-hop. Parallels such as the erroneous perceptions that certain images were and are indeed steeped in the true Black experience: who controlled and controls the production and distribution of the "black" product; the preeminence of distorted sexual roles; and who disproportionately benefits, financially, from this destructive typecasting. It is a painful reality that the lack of real opportunities can sometimes tempt us to be co-facilitators in our own cultural demise, as we engage in endeavors that aid in the buttressing and reinforcement of pernicious and racist stereotypes.

One of our strengths as Black people (contrary to popular opinion) is our ability to engage in deep and insightful self-critique -- and in that spirit we must take responsibility for our role in this. Toni Morrison, in addressing the dynamics of racial and gender internalized oppression in her novel The Bluest Eye, stated that it was "as though some mysterious all-knowing master had said, 'You are ugly people.' ... [a]nd they (Black folk) took the ugliness in their hands, threw it as a mantle over them, and went about the world with it. And we as Black people (male & female), have now taken ownership, or taken it in our hands as it were, this deplorable legacy and have worn this disgraceful and destructive garment proudly; and we have indeed gone about the world with it. We in the Black community who have consumed, purchased and repeated the words and images; we, Black male and female exploiters of Black sexuality, who have participated in this dishonor are like the Laodecians who were rebuked by Christ because they were convinced that they were rich and increased with goods and had need of nothing without understanding; without realizing that they were blind, wretched, miserable and naked. And like Esau, we have gave up our God-given birthright that entitled us to something better, for a mess of pottage; for husks that satiate us for only a little while; with nothing to show for the bitter and foolish trade but pain, regret and longing."

Seeing that her womb supplied the steady flow of slaves that facilitated the accumulation of wealth for plantation owners and the various industries in this country (rice, cotton, tobacco and sugar to name a few), America was built, in large part, on the sexual exploitation of the Black woman. With the coffers of the major corporations that own the record labels and the music video networks, bursting from the profits of this new millennium's minstrel show, it is a malicious irony of epic and tragic proportions that we have now come full circle.

What The Market Will Bear

It is a multibillion-dollar industry, accounting for one of every five records sold in America. Eighty percent of buyers are white. The music that now generates over $10 billion per year (according to Forbes magazine) was initially ignored by corporate America. Now corporations use the phrases, the images, and the sounds of hip-hop to sell everything from McDonald's dollar menus to Cadillacs.

Although the faces of hip-hop are predominantly Black and the Black community birthed the music, who are the real power-players at Universal Music and Viacom that are pushing the green or red button on what gets produced and promoted in hip-hop? Dr. Jared Ball in his composition, "Hip-Hop, Mass Media & 21st Century Colonization," states: "Given the societal need and function of mass media and popular culture, all that is popular is fraudulent. Popularity is in almost every case an intentionally constructed fabrication of what it claims to represent. Too few who comment on the lamentable condition of today's popular hip-hop seem to grasp this, the political nature of the nation's media system, nor the political function that system serves. Hip-hop is often taken out of the existing context of political struggle, repression, or the primacy of a domestic/neo-colonialism in the service of which mass media play a (the?) leading role. Media, often incorrectly defined by their technologies, are the primary conduits of ideology or worldview and must be seen as such. Therefore, their highly consolidated ownership and content management structure (corporate interlocking boards of directors, advertisers, stockholders, etc.) cannot be understood absent their ability to disseminate a consciousness they themselves sanction and mass produce. Nowhere is this more clearly demonstrable than in hip-hop."

Entertainment has always been a sponsor/market-driven entity. This is important to remember as a multitude begins to mourn Don Imus as the latest "sacrifice" on the altar of the god called political correctness, their outrage is suspect at best and hypocritical at worst. To say that a campaign of this sort has never been lodged against a rap artist deemed guilty of derogatory attitudes towards Black women is not supported by history or the facts. In 2002 Pepsi-Cola pulled a national, 30-second commercial featuring multiplatinum rapper Ludacris from the air after Fox News Channel's host Bill O'Reilly called for a boycott of the company. O'Reilly characterized Pepsi as "immoral" for using the rapper, whom he described as a rap thug. O'Reilly, on his program, read several of the rapper's lyrics, which he said emphasized a lifestyle that included getting intoxicated, selling drugs, fighting people, and degrading women -- by the way, in all my research, not once did I discover that Ludacris was ever sued for sexual harassment or charged with sexual misconduct. The same cannot be said of Mr. O'Reilly and yet he still holds a position as a moral authority with millions of Americans.

Pepsi-Cola released a statement explaining its decision to pull the ad, "We have a responsibility to listen to our consumers and customers, and we've heard from a number of people that were uncomfortable with our association with this artist. We've decided to discontinue our ad campaign with this artist and we're sorry that we've offended anyone."

Let's fast-forward two years to 2004 when Whoopi Goldberg's sexual puns on President Bush's name at a John Kerry fundraiser got her fired as spokeswoman for Slim-Fast weight-loss products. The West Palm Beach, Fla.-based maker of diet aids pulled the ad campaign featuring Goldberg stating that it regretted that Goldberg's remarks "offended some of their consumers." Contrast the rapidity of Pepsi and Slim Fast in dispatching Ludacris and Whoopi, with the decades-long, accommodating, look-the-other-way attitude of sponsors and networks when it comes to individuals such as Imus.

Armstrong Williams on the MSNBC news program Hardball (4/11/07), said that Don Imus should not be fired and "the marketplace should make that decision." And alas, the marketplace did make that decision when the sponsors pulled out en masse. If that is the criterion that we are to use, then what do we do when hip-hop's/rap's vast popularity is determined by that same marketplace -- and as was stated previously, that purchasing marketplace is 80% white and the company executives making the final decision as to what gets made and what gets played are predominantly white.

If corporations want to push anti-woman and sexist music this year, millions of dollars will be pumped into the budget of whatever rapper is ignorant enough to write the lyrics. Sure the artists can choose to make something different. They just won't have the backing that others do who agree to play the game. So, by all means hold hip-hop (and ALL artists of ALL genres) who are guilty of producing the misogynistic and sexist messages in their lyrics and videos morally and politically accountable. However, although they may be guilty of providing the supply, it is the American culture that created the demand.

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Dr. Edward Rhymes, author of When Racism Is Law & Prejudice Is Policy, is an internationally-recognized authority in the areas of critical race theory and Black studies. Please view his website: Rhymes Reasons. He can be reached at Edward@rhymesworld.com.

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'Boots n' Saddles'...da..da... daaaah.. daaah..da..da..daaaaah..da
Posted by: ekipnrut on May 19, 2007 2:01 AM   
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daaaaaah...
Ahhhhhh..But of course..here comes the White feminist Cavalry
together with 'Fawning Festus' racist white boy (deputized) posse (Remember 'Gunsmoke'??)... Hard ridin' 'Johnette Wayne'...
making da' ghetto safe for trut', justice, and the LGBT 'darkie'
way!!!!! 'Liberals'..'progressives'.....ALL hypocritical vermin...
slither on down..the Price is ALWAYS right.......for co-opted
apologists for racist nonsense or sell out (to corporate America) MFs....... :O)

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» wtf? Posted by: Ellie1
Say what?!
Posted by: JCrowe on May 19, 2007 2:47 AM   
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"In some feminist circles, porn is seen as the ultimate feminist expression."

Not in any of the feminist circles I know about. When sex work is a real choice, when women don't go into it because they have very few economic options, then and only then will the question of whether it's "empowering" or not become askable.

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» RE: Say what?! Posted by: frosty86
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» RE: Say what?! Posted by: adventuregrrl
» RE: Say what?! Posted by: frosty86
» interesting Dworkin quote Posted by: off-the-radar 2
It's a Puritan thing
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 19, 2007 5:26 AM   
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The cartoon of the predatory black jungle seductress is a product of our repression. Uptight middle America's Puritanical mindset has been slowly killing us for centuries. But we like the sense of moral superiority that comes with that mindset, and cling to it like a security blanket.

Part of that is the myth of sugar and spice. We like to pretend that we don't like women of any color who are sassy, sexy, aggressive, full of attitude, and got big butts. And we don't like the fact that we do like them, so we blame rap culture, Janet Jackson, etc. and their historical equivalents.

The article is a bit too conspiracy, but brings up some interesting things about our culture.

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» RE: It's a Puritan thing Posted by: frosty86
» RE: It's a Puritan thing Posted by: jimidee
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» RE: It's a Puritan thing Posted by: talkville
» American Idol is culture Posted by: vangogh69
» Pray Tell.... Posted by: Ast77
As soon as I read this article
Posted by: rjgwood on May 19, 2007 6:45 AM   
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I knew the many of the comments on this site would try to discredit this article, likening it to a "conspiracy theory" or say that it blamed whites, without citing any evidence from the article, and without a discussion as to the meritous points the author makes.

It is so typical a reaction from many in white America: Take no responsibility for past transgressions. Paint the messenger and the victims as exploitive for bringing up the subject, and then move on, refusing "to discuss the past."

The author is not making a "conspiracy theory" argument by pointing out the FACT that 80% of hip-hop purchasers are white and that the recording/distribution industry, indeed the entire media industry, is controlled by white men. Who then is culpable for media exploitation of black sexuality in hip-hop, the author ponders, black artists who have VERY little control in the industry, or those who own the means of production/distribution, the industry, and those who push the demand, the buyers?

Further, by giving us an historical context which firmly entrenches the fact of white control and manipulation of the image of black sexuality, from the pernicious discussions of slave "breeders" to blackploitation films to hip-hop, the sad fact is that white's have continually PROFITED from the exploitation of black sexuality.

So, for someone like Imus to fraudulently claim that no on cares about hip-hop's exploitation of black female sexuality (which the author debunks with the Ludicrious example), and for America's right to then get "up in arms" about the racial double-standard they feel is given blacks to exploit black sexuality, without acknowledging that it is precisely WHITE America through CEOs of record companies to buyers of hip-hop music that are really the ones, once again, who are exploiting black sexuality is PERVERSE and disingenuousness (Imus & right wing power brokers know who controls the media) disguised as a rational reason to not fire Imus.

The author and the Imus incident brilliantly illustrate the entrenchment of white power in our society, especially the power to avoid responsibility. If one even mentions reparations for the damage inflicted by the slave trade and the ensuing years of state sponsored misery following emancipation, one is painted a cuckoo, and that discussion is never on the table. Yet it is obviously that racism is entrenched and rampant in our society and that white domination of every institution, public and private, remains and will remain because of the culpability of people who refuse to coldly examine the facts and make it right, and yes, make reparations.

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» Culpability Posted by: Ast77
» RE: Of course not... Posted by: ekipnrut
TRASH-TRASH-TRASH
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 19, 2007 6:55 AM   
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Sir, you make no point at all with your babbling. Your article serves no useful purpose. But I'll Bet you had fun writing it - at the expense of ALL women. ANNA

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» ...Just as expected..... Posted by: ekipnrut
» RE: TRASH-TRASH-TRASH Posted by: Ast77
for every rule its exception
Posted by: liberalibrarian on May 19, 2007 6:56 AM   
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...for every book its reader. I have found that there are several black female authors who write extremely popular pop fiction, aimed toward black women, (the authors often go by one name or initial) that are The most raunchy, explicit, and blatantly exploitive of all the books in that genre. These books go way beyond chic lit or the general romance genre. I'm curious. What is the explanation for that?

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» RE: for every rule its exception Posted by: Progressive Citizen
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Don Imus' "apology"...
Posted by: H_H on May 19, 2007 7:16 AM   
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...was "accepted" by the Rutger's women team.

But that can't be acknowledged.

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» RE: Don Imus' "apology"... Posted by: Joshua Holland
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History vs Today's Reality
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 19, 2007 7:23 AM   
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Nobody with any education that tries to be honest can deny the regrettable history of racial repression and exploitation that happened in many sectors of American society until very recent times. That said, the world and times that we live in are very different and the people who allow themselves to be exploited are hardly in the same boat that the victims of Jim Crow and Pre-Civil War America.

There is also a difference between a woman being sexually expressive and aggressive because she wants to and someone who is forced to by economics. A woman can be highly sexual without being a whore, yet most people seem to either confuse one for the other or choose not to for whatever reason. Like abortion, it is a woman's choice as to how she carries herself and approaches relationships. It's nobody else's business. A man- any man- lecturing women or any woman about how they should dress, work, interact with men, date or who they should sleep with is as ludicrous as the old stereotypes.

I enjoy and am attracted to women who are sexually confident and aggressive, which is very different from being easy or a whore. A person comfortable in their own skin who dresses, conducts themselves and interacts with people on their own terms is refreshing. Women should not feel forced to act in such a way, but those who do not choose to shouldn't have to play a demure wallflower.

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» RE: Is today's reality that different? Posted by: anonymous black writer
Which?
Posted by: talkville on May 19, 2007 7:48 AM   
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Is woman private, or public? Is man? Madonna or the Whore? Which one? Property? Possession? Free? Production OR Re-production? Production AND Re-production? Which? Rich white? Rich black? Rich Asian? Rich Latina? Celebrity or Idol? Which? Organic or artificial? Masters or Slaves? Res Publica or Res Privata? Which?

There's a better world to build - much better.

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One more wrinkle?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 19, 2007 7:49 AM   
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Yes, when it comes to the exploitation of women, women of color bear the heaviest burden.

But I cannot understand then the dynamics of the protectiveness of men of color by women of color. Is it that white men have so many privileges that they don't need or deserve protection?

Or is it that generalizations at the level of race don't make any sense, except for the commercialization of pop culture? And is pop culture anything more than an empty gesture?

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» Well........well? Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Well........well? Posted by: jimidee
patriarchal sexuality
Posted by: frosty86 on May 19, 2007 8:06 AM   
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In our society, sexuality is becoming increasingly commodified and women's bodies are more objectified and dismembered in pop culture than ever. In movies, tv and magazine advertising, music videos, and billboards just one part of women's bodies is focused on (legs, breasts, buttocks). This reproduces and reinforces an atmosphere where women are seen as things or objects rather than human beings who deserve respect and dignity.

Softcore porn has moved into the mainstream and we can see this all over the mass media. Most of the pornography that men consume on the internet and in their homes is hardcore pornography which sexualizes violence against women and reduces women to the status of "things to be fucked." Pornography in the has grown to be a $12 billion a year industry which makes it larger than the mainstream movie industry (Hollywood is $8 billion).

Everywhere women are told by the media and corporate PR strategies, that the way to liberation is through a commodified sexuality. Not only is this an outright lie, but it trivializes the idea of liberation. All too often the idea that women should be sexually expressive and open has meant that women should learn to enjoy being treated and portrayed as sex objects and women should start having casual sex. This is not the way to end sexism and patriarchal exploitation of women's bodies. I agree that women's sexuality has been repressed and shamed, but I think there is way to change this without making women into sex objects and commodifying sexuality in general.

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» RE: things tobe f$#"&ed? Posted by: justinmango
» RE: things tobe f$#"&ed? Posted by: frosty86
The author is right on
Posted by: Don Garb on May 19, 2007 8:09 AM   
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I'm glad I read this piece. It is well documented, delivers a powerful argument and has changed the way I look at women. Useless white whores are celebrated in our popular culture every day, while black women are already presumed to be dirty from the start. I just saw an Entertainment Tonite spot about 3 rising young porn starlets: 2 were lily white and the third had a small bit of brown Indian in her. Can you imagine 3 black porn starlets on ET with one girl having a bit of brown in her? Not likely ...

However, the black woman's stronger sexuality is not a product of systemic racism and it is not a myth. Black men have larger penises on average than men of other races. Why is that? Because black women have been more promiscuous than other women, for about the last half million years or so. Before you feminists out there start throwing fits and tantrums at me, do your homework. Every honest book on sexuality and evolution out there will tell you that as the females are more active, the males are built bigger. Works the same for gorillas and chimpanzees too. A female gorilla would rather die than be unfaithful to her alpha male, who consequently has a small penis size compared to the size of the rest of his body. A female chimpanzee on the other hand, will accept offers from just about anybody.

In my experience black women are not insatiable or slutty in any way that could be described as "dirty." They are just more pragmatic and practical. When legitimate escort agencies recruit new workers, the largest share of applicants are black women. They're not bad, they're just sensible. Imagine what white women would be like if they hadn't been messed up by the last few hundred years of Victorian, Christian and Republican sexual repression. They would be the same way that black women are now. If you shift your perspective, black women do not have a history of being immoral, rather white women have a history of being uptight.

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» Am I a racist yet? Posted by: Don Garb
rap music is misanthropy
Posted by: wleming on May 19, 2007 9:33 AM   
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rap is a daily, well financed assualt on women
of all colors.....

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A Whore is a Whore
Posted by: TheTruthSeeker on May 19, 2007 10:39 AM   
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I’m a 71-year-old romantic who was raised in the Deep South and has witnessed some of the worst examples of bigotry imaginable. But because of my liberal parents’ upbringing, I was able to separate myself from the injustice and see racial discrimination as an observer, not a participant. Consequently, I view other human beings in terms of character, not color.

A whore is a whore – black, brown, white, yellow and purple.

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» RE: A Whore is a Whore Posted by: frosty86
» WHO'S A HO ??? Posted by: gellero
» RE: WHO'S A HO ??? Posted by: frosty86
» Oh Come now, Frosty...... Posted by: gellero
» RE: Oh Come now, Frosty...... Posted by: frosty86
» RE: WHO'S A HO ??? Posted by: mizani
Sorry, but impressions are always based on fact
Posted by: Bobsays on May 19, 2007 2:06 PM   
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If you look at the high number of single black mothers, their sexual habits, and their need to work in the grubbier end of the labour market, then you can't be surprised people would think what they think.

The solution to these impressions is to change your behaviour and how you live. Such an example will over time change public perceptions. There is no better evidence that this is the case than the impression people have about asian women (hardworking, loyal, ambitious, family oriented). So it's not a white women conspiracy. In fact I have never heard a white woman spend any time talking about how she was going to run down black women. If they ever broach the issue, it is usually sweetly naive hopes for a better world. Those are the facts.

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» Wrong Impression Posted by: gellero
» God, I love these posts!!! Posted by: vangogh69
EVERY WOMAN MUST BE IN THE WORKFORCE!!
Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on May 19, 2007 6:23 PM   
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OTHERWISE HOW IS THE "ECONOMY GOING TO GROW"? How are the rich investors and business owners going to afford their Porsches and lake Homes?

So keep pushing that feminist propaganda! Keep pushing the woman-must-work-and-must-be-integrated-into-the-workplace PROPAGANDA!

Won't someone please think of the rich???

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The ho that racism created?
Posted by: Forgiven on May 19, 2007 7:21 PM   
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While I found this article interesting in its historical references to racism and its sexual history background, I must admit that I am troubled by some of the conclusions that the writer has reached. Now granted I am not a Phd and do come with a large academic background, however I have done extensive work with poor and homeless people so I feel I have some knowledge of the situations.

That being said, the first point that troubled me was the writers initial argument concerning the way the media deals with white women’s sexuality versus black women. The writer states that celebrity has been accorded to white women based on sexuality and not talent and then goes on to complain that the same has not been given to black women, but later he discusses how black women’s sexuality was mainstreamed in the form of novelty items. You can’t have it both ways.

The next point that troubled me was the writer’s underlying justification of the hip-hop culture based on the fact that similar things are being done in the white community. While this may or may not be true, it is precisely this type of reasoning that keeps the black community ignorant and on the current road to destruction. So, it is ok for hip-hop artist to demean black women and denigrate black culture because of racism? Even for a race consultant doctor that is a reach. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Sure there are more liquor stores that banks and yes there are drugs rampant in my neighborhood, so does that allow me a free pass to become an alcoholic and drug addict?

Though we have more Black people with money than ever before, we are worst off as a people than we have ever been in our history. Why has achievement as a people eluded us even though we have more material wealth? There is a disconnection between those that have achieved material success and the average Black person on the street.

While we spend tremendous amounts of time and energy annihilating the outsiders who dare to use the same words we use to describe ourselves and yet we do nothing against those in our community that dispense the vile vermin that poisons our minds and the minds of our children. Where are the protest marches outside of Sean Combs studio or any number of other hip-hop artists that poison the air waves with violence, sexism, and the worst attributes of our communities? We have no trouble picketing CBS over Don Imus, yet where is the outrage for those who we really should fear? Who should we be more afraid of a few washed up media personalities that most of our children have never heard of or those who invade our homes and our air waves with all manner of mental pollution?

There will be those who speak about artistic expression and the “language of the street”, but those arguments hold no weight. There is more going on in our communities than the “thug life” these so called Black artists are portraying. When has our community been about nothing, but drug dealing, dope smoking, and killing other Black men? These so called Black men are more responsible for other young Black men being killed than any racist white men. The Klan no longer have anything to do, we are finishing the job ourselves. These men who profit from the misery of their brothers and sisters are worse than any racist. At least with an outsider you can see it coming, but these people they are doing from the inside what no outsider could do. It is a known fact that what you listen to is what you become. This isn’t about some musical expression; this is about the intentional internal genocide for the sake of fortune and fame. Is everyone in the Black community selling drugs, smoking dope, and killing? When did this become our only story? This is not my story. Is it yours?

/thedisputedtruth.blogspot.com/”> The Disputed Truth

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» RE: The ho that racism created? Posted by: grangersmith
Some context
Posted by: Kelly on May 19, 2007 9:46 PM   
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This article was obviously originally intended for a majority black audience, which shapes some of its rhetoric. It is hard to disagree with its main conclusion, that black American women's sexuality has historically been viewed as insatiable and animalistic by mainstream American culture, and yes, this has its roots in economic and political powerlessness. But every stripping pen I've ever seen has featured white women, though most decks of nudie cards are racially mixed to some degree.

I would like to add, however, that the depiction of white women's sexuality as appealing and pleasantly subversive has a long-standing presence in European literature and did not arise as a flip-side or doppelganger to the sexuality of women of color. Examples from Ancient/Medieval literature include Aristophanes' plays, La Vielle, the Wife of Bath, May and Alisoun from the Canterbury Tales, Brynhild, etc. etc. etc. There is also a long counter-history of sex-hating, anti-woman sentiment in this same European literature.

As for animalistic exploitation of women, 1980's heavy metal music was just as exploitative as modern rap, frequently showing women caged and/or painted with tiger stripes--check out Sam Kinison's "Wild Thing" with Jessica Hahn rolling around on the floor: my guess is that a certain segment of men like to see women degraded, no matter the color of either party, and that it is easier to degrade those with less money or power.

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I've Said It Before...
Posted by: bob t on May 20, 2007 1:19 AM   
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...and I'll say it many times more. The right wingers, captalists and their friends the religious right, catholic republicans and evangelical fundies work endlessly to keep women in third clas status, after children and men. And my church the catholic church has been doing this for almost 2000yrs.

When the aforementioned groups decide to raise women to first class status much if not most abortion and pornography will end. But of course a sharp drop in porn would hurt Rupert Murdochs business, the biggest telecarrier of porn in the U.S. And O'Reilly and Hannity work for him, amaaazing.

Are right wingers just stupid or what, stupid would be the right word. But then mayhap they prefer to bash and stomp all over women rather than use some intelligence.

If they would stop being so obsessed with sex and male domination of women and allow that God gave women equal status as human beings, but they seem to conviently forget that as they cherry pick Gods works and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

So much for right wingers.

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I got the point....
Posted by: grangersmith on May 20, 2007 3:26 AM   
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The writers view on what I ( a woman of indoeuropean decent) am suppose to think and how I view black men and women are of his own making, the writer can of course generalize all he wants how he wants where he wants, if he can sell it, get a response, it's a living.... And I am sure he will find thoes evil oppresive people anywhere he want, they are easy to find, just turn on the Fox network news, and Bill O'Reilley, they also come in all shapes sizes and colors. For the benefit of the write who seems to think that there is a huge racist hate and conspiracy going on with apparently all white people against all black people, well know this, I see the American Black women as being the strongest, wisest, most beautiful women in the US, women who have a deep sexuality, dignified, virginal if they want. I see Black women as women who are not fooled or used, and who don't play games. I see many many Black women as mentors to all women. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, and the African American woman is for the most part the strongest wisest of them all. Racism is alive and well in America and in every other country of the world, its there because hateful people allways find someone to focus their hate on. Limbaugh, and gang are hateful cowards who incite violence and hate, using disturbed hateful people to do their dirty deeds, and then acting as they had nothing to do with it. These people and the Bush gang are the worse of America, tearing apart our liberties, and socia/economic stability from the inside out...My views on female sexuality in our culture and feminism, are personal, reflect my social values, experience age and education, I have very strong opinions about the new empowered sex kitten feminists, as being a de-evolution of common sence, intelligence, dignity and womanhood. I do not see anything empowering about prostitution, they are no more than modern slaves to their brokers or agents, or Johns...I don't think there is anything virginal or really sexy or attractive, in the pathetic Hollywood implants, dyes, face lifts, plastic surgery, anorexic slaves to money and fame. There's a huge money market for horney men who like to watch sex, and this is a universal truth that trancends race religion or politics...Black female slaves were horribly abused, used for sexual pleasure of perverted evil men. The early indoeuropean, women who were colonists/pioneers and beyond in America were not only expected but forced to be pure and virginal, and submissive, it's a cross over from the Puritanical religions. The average common women of indoeuropean heritage, lived harsh lives, died from childbirth, overwork, disease and abuse, and did not live on plantations, with expensive gowns, mint julips and slaves to serve their every need. They were the property of their husbands, they could not vote or have any real powers or property, until the early 20th century. My intentions for mentioning this is to inform, not demean or disrespect the deplorable harsh lives of female slaves. But these women did not live a life of luxury, or freedom from harm or injury. They were the private property, babymakers, work horses of their husbands, and this is a fact. Not all men were hateful and cruel either, generalizations really demean individuals who were decent and good ...Women, on the planet earth are still being oppressed, controlled, held back, censored, exploited, used as slaves, property of their husbands, raped, murdered beaten, stapled folded and mutulated, marketed and packaged sex objects for the pleasure of men.. They are still the poorest on the economic ladder. To me, young women are just going backwards being used by males to do sexual tricks, and games, and being stupid/greedy enough to believe that this is power/liberation....And you seem to be complaining about Black women not being used like white women in movies and tv? Are we talking about equal debasement of women regardless of their color? HUH?

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Clearly, we're not as enlightened as we may think?
Posted by: vangogh69 on May 20, 2007 1:42 PM   
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Given the way some people are responding here, we've a long way to go. It's amazing how defensive some will get if you even imply that whites have to take some responsibility for selling and furthering harmful stereotypes. That said, people do have their own minds (many controled by corporate propaganda) and can choose to play their stereotype or not. That said...

It's quite easy to blame the victims and also, very old. If black women are whores/ho's then why try to better them? Likewise, if black men are oversexed brutes then why not lock them up/kill them? Whites have long projected their fantasies on black flesh (for example, black men are the anxious rapists when its white men who historically have been the rapists of black women; black men are theives when, WHEW, the US as a nation was founded on white theft, for example) as a way of asserting their own superiority. Not all white, of course, but enough. Personally, I found Imus' comment(s) much less offensive than say Ann Coulter's about "nuking the ragheads" which is both racist and imperialist --- yet she's still on the air. We have a long way to go towards equality yet we must begin by calling a spade a spade, even if its dirty.

2 cents.

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Typecasting of black women not just confined to hip-hop and music industry...
Posted by: Progressive Citizen on May 20, 2007 7:36 PM   
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On May 19, 2007, at 6:56 Am, the poster liberalibrarian posted the following question on black female versus white female writing:

for every rule its exception

...for every book its reader. I have found that there are several black female authors who write extremely popular pop fiction, aimed toward black women, (the authors often go by one name or initial) that are The most raunchy, explicit, and blatantly exploitive of all the books in that genre. These books go way beyond chic lit or the general romance genre. I'm curious. What is the explanation for that?

On May 19, 2007, I posted the following reply at 9:57 PM. I am posting both liberalibrarian's question and my response as food for thought, to make an effort to combat disinformation about women of all races:

This is potentially an example of veiled racism and sexism in the publishing industry as well as in literary marketing. The world of literature is run predominantly by white males who interact with few women of any color as equals, least of all black women, and go by stereotypes in their own minds.

This is not to say that the writers they publish are necessarily bad, just that they are more likely to publish and promote books that conform to their stereotype of "true" black female culture (considered more earthy and frank) or "true" white female culture (regarded as more demure), regardless of whether either is realistic.

The books to which poster liberalibrarian refers are basically women's erotica, and there are female erotica writers of all races.

The difference is that black women's erotica tends to be aggressively marketed (i.e. books by Zane end up in the African-American literature section of a bookstore) while white women's erotica tends to be placed in relatively inconspicuous sections of the bookstore.

The literature industry is seeking out a niche market of black women who enjoy explicit sexuality--while they are sometimes finding their niche, they are likely pissing off numerous other black women who, regardless of their own views on explicit sexuality, feel like they are stereotyping black female readers by showcasing these books (which sometimes have relatively explicit book art) in the African-American literature section of the bookstore. The literature industry tends to either not to market to potential white female audiences who enjoy explicit sex, or to portray it in the context of harlequin-style romances.

The decisionmakers in the literary world operate under racially distorted views of women's sexuality that do not conform to the experiences and desires of individual women, and that perpetuate simplified, distorted stereotypes of both black and white female sexuality.

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rooted deep in our history
Posted by: libkid on May 20, 2007 9:37 PM   
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There is nothing conspiratorial about saying that women of all colors have been written out of positive history. Our only mention of women in many "newfangled" religions is of the "wicked" or "evil" feminine ways. Women have been systematicly removed from our modern patriarchial society and its base. The reason? most likely fear. To study back beyond the pagan religions to a time when the female miracle of reproduction and sustaining the offspring was revered...gives good insight as to why men have purposely and visciously stripped women of their self respect and self worth. FEAR of what men cannot do...as we have seen in the eyes of a dog who attacks as it is cornered. So we call every woman a "bitch, slut, whore, ho" or other to keep them down. Far down. I'd kill anyone who called the women in my life such things. They are sacred to me.

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Forgiven, you and Dr. Rhymes bring up some excellent points.
Posted by: mobile68 on May 20, 2007 10:44 PM   
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However, you two are the dots of the issues surrounding the black communities plight that can’t seem to connect to complete the big picture.

A snippet from an article seen on Yahoo news:

Poll: American satisfaction at new low
By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers Sun May 20, 7:28 AM ET
WASHINGTON - It's gloomy out there. Men and women, whites and minorities — all are feeling a war-weary pessimism about the country seldom shared by so many people.


It shows how white people think that they’re different from women an “minorities”. This proves my point of what I try to explain to my friends, who put whites on a pedestal, that they are a whole another species of beings. I thought anyone who is paying taxes and legally reside and work in this country is an American citizen. Why do white people have to continually subcategorize other human beings?

Which brings me to the point of responsibility. How can an individual take personal responsibility for one’s self if not given the tools and to be taught how to use those tools properly?

Dr. Rhymes: If we have been given a scriptural mandate to take up the cause of the poor and oppressed, how do we fulfill that without addressing nations, corporations and governments? The prophets of old spoke more to the sins of nations and governments more than they did individuals.

I said in an earlier post:
-Why was the system of race classification put into practice?

-Who are the benefactors of a system based on race classification and so-called racial superiority?

-Why haven't effective solutions been formulated to educate the origins of alleged racial superiority, and to eradicate this tainted notion?

You have to address the gov’t and corporations, because they control policy. We still only have one black senator out of 100 and never a person of color or a female in the president or vice president seat. This country finally got it’s 1st female speaker of the house in 2007. Why is that such a big deal? Like only white men can sit around and live like a pig on the farm? Because none of them aren’t doing anything when you look it. Excuse me for digressing.
Look at the jews, they are still getting paid for what happened to them on European soil, have the largest lobbying group-AIPAC, and even have a federal holocaust department financed with your tax dollars, yet they are using the holocaust as a crutch so much that there are laws around the world jailing people for even questioning it. Do the Native Americans have a federal branch addressing what this gov’t has done to them on their own soil?

Examples of white privilege like g. bush to get into Harvard because of who his family is, even though he barely passed, is OK for them, but in order for us brownies to get into Harvard or where-ever-else-university, they won’t take in the ones that can truly hold their own, they instead will search for and take a dumbed down version of us to fill a quota which they created, which in turn satisfies whitey’s screwed up ego by saying, ‘see they only got in because they’re black, Hispanic, etc.’ Same scenario when applying for a job or a loan.
Whites have and control the tools which they are going to give to their own first and foremost because it’s their way of maintaining control over those who differ from themselves.

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Forgiven, you and Dr. Rhymes bring up some excellent points pt.2
Posted by: mobile68 on May 20, 2007 10:49 PM   
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Forgiven: For most people, just getting through the day is a struggle and for them to focus on the society at large in my experience is not realistic. So while I applaud your efforts, in the present most people feel that they can't affect the policies of corporations and governments, but we all can affect the things in our own personal lives that are contributing to problem.

Well what about the people who are getting thru life decently, yet stand by and aren’t challenging the gov’t about the war, hurricane Katrina, etc.? It’s because they feel that it ain’t affecting them directly so they justify their silence by saying "I’m just going to toe the line so I won’t lose what little I do have." This is true of both blacks and whites.

I’ve noticed in talking to different groups of people, people do sound hopeless, but so many of them are so quick to say, 'oh just pray about it', instead of taking action and responsibility for themselves, let alone for others.
Why don’t you see people protesting about the war on college campuses like in the 70’s?
Why don’t you see people leaving their cars at home to protest high gas prices like the Montgomery bus boycott of the 50’s?

Americans, black and white, are stressing themselves out over material things, are star struck, and have just given their power over to the gov’t and the churches, both who are leading them down to a road called nowhere. So what happened is an affliction of social laziness compounded with it’s-not-my-problem-itis.
We the people in this country are the worst examples in the world of democracy gone wrong. No wonder people around the world don’t respect us, because we don’t respect ourselves.

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All systems of Justice were first enacted by rebellion......
Posted by: ekipnrut on May 21, 2007 6:59 AM   
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The Constitution followed the Declaration of Independence....

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The article is based upon a false premise...
Posted by: jimidee on May 21, 2007 9:29 AM   
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"As the term "ho" is a variation of the word "whore" (a word not foreign to the American lexicon and indeed has been used with great frequency in the white community), that assertion does not hold water. So once again, what is endemic in American society is viewed as a specific "Black" identifier or just a "Black thing."" The author's premise is to blame it all on whitey!

The term "ho" is a BLACK variation on the word whore...and is seldom used in the "white community" except by young hip-hoppers trying to act black for whatever reason. It certainly has never been a part of the lexicon of Imus's generation...that part is laughable! Imus and Bernard were doing an obvious parody of bro's rappin' in the hood...as seen in Spike Lee's "School Daze". They were in character when they did it. It was a performance, stupid!

Should all actors be held personally accountable for the scoundrels that they play? Should all lawyers be personally associated with the scum that they represent? This crap has become ridiculous.

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Oh, the Hypocrisy!
Posted by: Pace on May 21, 2007 11:05 AM   
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I am disgusted by this article. For all its points about "Whites" being tolerated from promiscuous behaviour, while "Blacks" are not, I see no evidence presented except vague mainstream media reactions or reviews of films or celebrity antics. This article is guilty of 'racism', far worse than Don Imus, Michael Richards. By even talking about racism in fact the author strengthens the grip of this backwards idea. "Race" is a backwards 19th Century pseudoscience. It has nothing to do with the real world in which I live. I would like to see a more in depth analysis of who actually holds these alleged opinions or preferences. For example, what sexual value does the society place on lighter skinned people versus darker skinned people. After measuring that information, determine how people who self-identify as "Black" or "White" sexually value people of different skin colors. Finally, for each group, determine the difference in how those groups tend to value people controlling for both race and promiscuity. I think real scientific numbers, rather than a gut truthiness reaction to a highly filtered film industry or mainstream media product would help you to write a much better article. I suspect given scientific research I have read that sexual value in most societies is higher for lighter coloured people. Therefore, one might expect promiscuity to be more highly tolerated for lighter skinned people in by lighter skinned and darker skinned populations. After all, promiscuity means there is a higher probability of mating with that individual, while at the same time it also means a higher probability of transmitting disease. Disease rates according to skin colour might also affect people's preferences and promiscuity preferences and a proper analysis of valuation would examine this.

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Minorities are stupid...
Posted by: luffy28 on May 21, 2007 11:55 AM   
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And I am one (minority). The media (and black leaders) always like to talk about how it's gonna be like in 2050. "By 2050 they'll be lots of black actors/directors"..by 2050 this etc... They (minorities) can't even get along with each other (and in their own communities) because they don't have the mind to get along. I bet you by 2050 the white man will still be on top you know why ? Because the retards serve him as their master kicking each other down while trying to lick his feet. By 2050 or 2070 the non-black race minorities will come together with whites against blacks (you see it every single day). And they (whites) will stay in their position for 10 billion more years.

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Hmm...Does Anyone Remember Monster's Ball...
Posted by: Kym525 on May 23, 2007 2:40 PM   
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and all the ugly ruckus that raised? Halle Berry won an academy award for what some in the black community deemed as playing into the stereotype of the "sexually voracious" black woman, even though that scene with Billy Bob Thornton was pivotal to the plot and to me wasn't gratuitous at all, but a depiction of how two wounded souls came together to find some healing.

But I digress...a little.

Though I agree with most of the author's assertions, which still doesn't explain the growing misogyny of some black men, black women are not just viewed as hypersexual. There's also the "church girl/frigid" stereotype which some black men use to justify dating women (especially white women) of other races. We're also considered "strong" and that word now carries a stigma rather than the badge of honor that it used to. Black women are expected to put up with a LOT of b.s.--not just from the larger society, but from those in our community who should know better. Music companies may sell misogynistic rap, but it is the rappers themselves who care more about "the benjamins" rather than the damage they cause to black women.

And yes, while it's true that white women enjoy a certain sexual freedom that isn't tainted by the stigma of race, the truth is that few of them actually OWN their images or their sexuality. For every business-savvy Jenna Jameson, there are hundreds of young porn starlets who have signed their rights to their bodies away. Madonna seems to be the few white women who owned both her image and her sexuality.

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Reply to Sorry But Impressions are Always Based on Fact
Posted by: anonymous black writer on May 26, 2007 9:58 AM   
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Bobsays,the article was simply saying that there was a double standard between the way white and black promiscuous women are viewed. One group of women is viewed in a more positive light than the other group of women in a society that looks down, to some extent upon promiscuous women. That said men or women that sleep around too much are promiscuous. White women are no less or more virtuous than anyone else. Talking about the prostitution of black women and whatever. In case you don't know, most black women are not prostitutes. But biased folk like yourself have no room to call out the sexual practices of blacks, women or other wise when you live in communities that have possibly the most swingers clubs,sex parties, the largest porn industry, etc.. and all these people are not poor. You know what else, there are alot of poor white people and alot of them are prostitutes. If the truth be told, all races ,classes, and backgrounds have people that are promiscuous so no group has the right to be so quick to call out the practices of other groups when they do the same things

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Reply to Sorry But Impressions are Always Based on Fact
Posted by: anonymous black writer on May 26, 2007 9:58 AM   
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Bobsays,the article was simply saying that there was a double standard between the way white and black promiscuous women are viewed. One group of women is viewed in a more positive light than the other group of women in a society that looks down, to some extent upon promiscuous women. That said men or women that sleep around too much are promiscuous. White women are no less or more virtuous than anyone else. Talking about the prostitution of black women and whatever. In case you don't know, most black women are not prostitutes. But biased folk like yourself have no room to call out the sexual practices of blacks, women or other wise when you live in communities that have possibly the most swingers clubs,sex parties, the largest porn industry, etc.. and all these people are not poor. You know what else, there are alot of poor white people and alot of them are prostitutes. If the truth be told, all races ,classes, and backgrounds have people that are promiscuous so no group has the right to be so quick to call out the practices of other groups when they do the same things

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Egg on my face
Posted by: Kelly on May 28, 2007 12:02 PM   
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I mixed up my cases; I meant stulti. I haven't seen any of these performances, but the Oscars have frequently showcased gritty performances, especially during the past two decades (check out Hillary Swank in Boys Don't Cry). I'd say the sex scene between her and Chloe Sevigny is pretty comparable to Berry's. And when you check out the list of best actress nominees, they include Julia Roberts for Pretty Woman and for supporting actress, Angelina Jolie's portrayal of a sociopath in Girl, Interrupted. My point being, the sexual and gritty nature of Berry's performance was NOT unprecedented by performances by white actresses.

And how does calling her a "bi-racial slut" and "slave pussy" not make you a misogynist because Sophia Loren protrayed a rape victim in a movie? I'm lost.

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» i repeat Posted by: Kelly
Halle Berry is a dirty stinkin' ho...
Posted by: jimidee on May 30, 2007 7:56 PM   
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Let's take this back to the original premise of Dr. Rhymes:

"While white women's sexuality is celebrated in movies and magazines, Black women acting out the same behavior are relegated to the ranks of whoredom."

The negative way the black community responded (hell, is STILL responding) to Halle Berry's performance where she PRETENDED to do the nasty with Billy Bob Thorton, THEY are the ones relegating black women to whoredom, not whitey. There was no backlash from white America against Ms. Berry...none! Instead they gave her the highest honor an actess can achieve.

There are some members of black America that should reconsider its racists and separatists attitudes. Dr. Rhymes should consider that his premise is true because of blacks treatment of other blacks, not something whites are doing.

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Crotch Shots
Posted by: dlf on Jun 7, 2007 5:51 PM   
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If my memory serves me correctly Paris, Lindsey, and Britney have had a ball bearing their respective beavers, and every news outlet talked about it, and they each gained more celebrity. No one, except those in their own circle, calls them hoes.

On the other hand I can recall an incident during the Super Bowl that had many Whites up in arms, Janet Jackson's breast. The FCC was all over it. Did anyone notice the FCC ruled that FOX was not in violation of any codes when Paris and Nicole uttered the words F**k and S**t. Anyone who is deluded enough to think that there aren't double standards when it comes to Black and White sexuality and vulgarity is simply not paying attention.

And the reason so many Blacks were offended not only by Halle, but also Denzel's win that year, was because of the roles they had to play to get Oscars. Denzel couldn't be rewarded for Malcolm X or Steven Biko he had to play a rogue cop. Halle won because of her sexuality not her acting there wasn't that much meat on that part. Personally I would have preferred she had won for her portrayal of a crack addict in Jungle Fever. It was a supporting role, but it required her to look bad and act well.

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