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How to Control My Body
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You probably know about the brouhaha over abortion, spurred by the recent Supreme Court decision, but you may not have realized that decision came as the Food and Drug Administration decides the fate of Lybrel, a birth control pill that could liberate millions of women from paying Tampax for "wings" every month.
But these two issues are not unrelated. They are both symptoms of how much the government loves to regulate the basic functioning of my body. Still, there are some key differences. Most arguments over abortion boil down to whether you think a woman's right to control her future is more or less important than the much-debated rights of a potential human.
Because the legal status of a fetus has become part of the abortion debate, it's hard to cast abortion purely as a female reproductive rights issue (as much as I'd like to do that). These days the abortion debate is also about how we define human life and whether a fetus constitutes a being that deserves legal protection.
However, the issue of controlling menstrual cycles is unequivocally about the female reproductive cycle, untainted by questions of embryo civil rights. Why should there be any controversy over pharmaceutical company Wyeth marketing Lybrel, which is exactly like a birth control pill without the seven-day placebo cycle that creates a fake period? (In case you aren't a Pill geek, the period women have while taking contraceptive pills is caused only by hormone fluctuation and not a biological need to flush out unused eggs -- the Pill works by preventing the ripening of said eggs. So it's purely a cosmetic menstrual cycle.)
There are good reasons to test Lybrel, since nobody is completely sure what might happen in the long term to women who stop menstruating. But now that Wyeth has demonstrated the safety of this pill, what's the big deal?
The New York Times recently published a much-discussed article about negative reactions to Lybrel and other drugs like it. Canadian psychologist Christine Hitchcock told the paper she didn't like "the idea that you can turn your body on and off like a tap." Giovanna Chesler, who just made a documentary about "the end of menstruation," objects to the idea that taking a daily pill makes women appear defective. "Women are not sick," she said. "They don't need to control their periods for 30 or 40 years."
It's interesting that Chesler uses the word "control" in her comment. Why are women eager to relinquish control over their periods, arguably one of the most annoying parts of being a biological female? After all, we take calcium pills to control bone density; we take showers to control odor; and take ibuprofen to control pain. None of these things are necessary. We don't do them because we are sick, and not doing them won't kill us. So why shouldn't we take control of our bodies and stop having periods if we want to?
There are no fetuses being harmed here. Why should we reject Lybrel, if not for the dogma that it's unnatural for women to control their reproductive functions? Yes, Wyeth stands to make money on Lybrel, and I'm no fan of pharmaceutical companies, but women already pay to deal with their periods. We pump billions of dollars into feminine hygiene products so Kotex can sell us more wings and soft applicators and superabsorbent crap.
I say if we can take pills that free us from having to deal with the monthly goo and bother, then let's do it. Nobody is saying periods are sick or wrong here. It's just that they're annoying and uncomfortable -- and if women don't want to deal with them, they shouldn't have to.
The social rejection of drugs such as Lybrel -- which the FDA has already turned down for approval once -- is based on the idea that there is something about women's bodies that women themselves should not be allowed to control. Even in the absence of the fetus debates, we're still seeing women who are afraid to control their reproductive systems. As long as we are in thrall to this fear, we will never triumph in the struggle for abortion rights and effective birth control.
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Posted by: porgygirl on Apr 24, 2007 2:48 PM
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And by the way, everyone who gets a period should check out www.lunapads.com or some other reusable products. Much much nicer, and better for the environment than bleached disposable toxic products.
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Posted by: terradea on Apr 24, 2007 3:32 PM
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There are many movements across the world in which women are training each other on terminating pregnancies without medical or legislative intervention. This knowledge needs to be made available to every woman. Take back control of your own body!
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 25, 2007 3:55 AM
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So what? None of my business whether you take it or not. If you can safely eliminate this from your life, good for you. As long as you are aware that you are something of a guinea pig and the drug has been properly tested for safety, I wish you well.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Apr 25, 2007 4:48 AM
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I am curious as to what the moral crusaders would say to that. Their illogical and intolerant answers would probably be rather amusing if they weren't so sick.
I also have to agree with UnEasyOne and would hope that this drug will not cause some unforeseen ill effects. Pharmacuetical companies are not really an entity to trust that our wellbeing is one of their primary concerns.
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Posted by: ccaporusso on Apr 25, 2007 5:04 AM
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Posted by: JadedThing on Apr 25, 2007 5:32 AM
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The issues around this pill are simple: If you don't like it, don't take it. If you don't want to be the guinea pig, wait it out and see what kind of side effects result in the coming years.
It made me uncomfortable that the author referred to periods as annoying and seemed to give them an air of "ickiness." Not all women share this view of their periods. In fact, personally, I enjoy getting my period every month. Now, don't get me wrong, the cramps, the stomaches, and the headaches put me out of capacity for at least a day--not my favorite thing. But menstruating is something special that I like to be a part of. To me, it is part of my womanhood. Not only that, I see menstruation as a monitor of my health. If a non-menopausal women stops or has irregularities, something is up--pregnancy, perhaps illness, or maybe even a sign of an eating disorder.
All of this said, if this pill is approved, I would most likely not choose to take it. However, I also think of the women out there with extraordinary pain, etc., that come along with their periods (it is different from woman to woman) and surely this pill would be a God-sent for them. And in fact, if any woman wants to go on this medication for any reason--more power to her for making that decision. This is about CHOICE. I would not look down on someone taking the medication, nor would I tolerate someone looking down upon me for celebrating my period and choosing to continue it.
Also, to the last comment, we DO know why women menstruate. I won't spend more time here on the scientific specifics, but you can certainly look them up.
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Posted by: CaciStevie on Apr 25, 2007 6:22 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 25, 2007 7:18 AM
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Spooky stuff, "rational medicine".
/sarcasm directed at the perpetually whining "we need more long term studies before I let you decide how you should care for your body" crowd.
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Posted by: talkville on Apr 25, 2007 7:19 AM
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Posted by: deegee99 on Apr 25, 2007 7:45 AM
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I am leary of never having a 'period' though. Mother Nature does know what she is doing.
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Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 25, 2007 7:49 AM
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Posted by: martinet on Apr 25, 2007 7:55 AM
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I took birth control pills for close to fifteen years as my preferred contraceptive method. Took them faithfully and never once had as much as a scare. Since their effectiveness, when taken properly as I did, is in the high 90th percentile, I *shouldn't* have ever been scared. Yet I still welcomed that "red flag" every month, just to ensure that no, I was NOT pregnant. Even now, when my birth control method is my husband's vasectomy--at an even higher effectiveness percentile--I still feel a sense of relief at the surety that another month has elapsed without pregnancy.
I never wanted to have kids, and never intend to. My husband got his kids from his previous marriage, and is fine with not having any more with me. If I had gotten pregnant--or, god forbid, ever do get pregnant, in whatever hideously unlikely scenario would create that--I would have no qualms about aborting, IF I knew in the first trimester.
And that's why I need the period. Even with my faithful record of birth control, I have no faith that I would know I was pregnant if I didn't have that indicator. I'm large, so I might not notice early pregnancy weight gain that other, slimmer women might. I have a body that maintains its equilibrium well, so I might escape morning sickness or whatever else makes the little "pregnant!" lightbulb go off for women in TV shows. If I didn't have a period telling me every month that I'm not pregnant--how would I know? And how would I manage the attendant paranoia that would come with not knowing? And finally, if I didn't know for several months, would I end up having to consider abortion in the second trimester (which I feel less comfortable with) or to consider what would be, for me, the equally painful choice of having a child I didn't want?
I believe in a woman's right to as many safe, easily accessible contraception methods as possible. I understand that my psychological need for the "red flag" isn't a need for all women, and my own psychological needs don't, and shouldn't, determine other people's rights. Moreover, I believe in a woman's right to an abortion--but I'm into the "safe, legal, and rare" ideal, and I do wonder if the absence of menstruation en masse might affect later-term abortion rates or the births of unwanted children.
Any thoughts?
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Posted by: Tim Worstall on Apr 25, 2007 8:07 AM
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Modern women have far more periods than has historically been the case for the species. Early menarche, later menopause is one part of it, but for most of the 150,000 year life of the species women between those two dates would have been either pregnant or breast feeding and thus not having periods at all.
The more fertile of our foremothers might have had no more than 10 or 20 periods in their entire lives.
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Posted by: ladyoracle on Apr 25, 2007 9:20 AM
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I would take the no-period pill over the regular bc in a heartbeat!
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Apr 25, 2007 9:23 AM
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Although personally I've come to think that if men are so bleedin' (no pun intended) morally superior, why didn't Adam take the apple out of Eve's hand and throw it without taking the bite?
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Posted by: Rochelle_Weber on Apr 25, 2007 11:13 AM
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Too bad the men who think they should be allowed to regulate women's bodies couldn't somehow be made to deal with at least one week's worth of the agony I endured every month for forty years. Menopause has been an absolute blessing for me. This pill should be available to all younger women--especially those who endure the kind of menstruation I did.
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Posted by: Arousiak on Apr 25, 2007 11:44 AM
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so, what next? a pill to keep you from shitting, and farting, and peeing, and crying? i'd be TERRIFIED to raise a daughter in this country...
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Posted by: richenza on Apr 25, 2007 1:03 PM
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The reason I have concerns is that I took the (ordinary form) pill for about two years. I stopped because flooding my body with hormones did strange and unpleasant things to me. I don't know what that would have been like long-term, and decided I didn't care to find out. I use other forms of birth control instead. That said, if changing your hormones works for you or other women, then whatever - it's cool by me.
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Posted by: emaa on Apr 25, 2007 3:05 PM
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All Pill brands (21/7 brands, Seasonale, Seasonique, Lybrel) stop menstruation for the entire time you take the pill. Millions of women have been using the Pill since 1960. It is now 2007. That's 47 years of studies of what happens in the long term to women who stop menstruating. According to the FDA:
[O]ver the years, more studies have been done on the pill to look for serious side effects than have been done on any other medicine in history....
The difference between regular pills and extended (Seasonale, Seasonique)/continuous (Lybrel use ones is not the presence or absence of a monthly menstrual period. All pills are designed to eliminate periods for as long as a woman takes them. The difference is that Seasonale, Seasonique, and Lybrel, on top of eliminating the period, also mostly/altogether do away with the monthly withdrawal bleed.
The monthly menstrual period and the monthly withdrawal bleed are not one and the same thing. They are distinct, unrelated events.
The monthly period is the body-directed shedding of a thickened uterine lining, under the influence of fluctuating endogenous hormone levels, at set intervals (~21 days). The monthly withdrawal bleed is the user-directed artificial destabilization of a thin uterine lining, as a result of deliberately manipulating the dosage of exogenous hormones in the Pill, at arbitrarily set intervals (21 days, 49 days, 84 days, 168 days, or 336 days).
A monthly menstrual period has a [single] biological purpose: to prepare the uterine lining for pregnancy. A monthly withdrawal bleed has no physiological or biological purpose. It's a designer trick, intended mostly to appease politicians and Popes. It's a historical artifact, not a biological requirement.
The New York Times recently published a much-discussed article...
Pretty much everything in that article, including the tile and "expert" opinions, was wrong, wrong, wrong.
Until we can figure out WHY it is that women menstruate...
We've already figured this one out. Menstruation prepares the uterine lining for pregnancy. That's it. If you're not planning a pregnancy there's no biological reason to menstruate.
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Posted by: StotheL on Apr 25, 2007 4:48 PM
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But for the life of me I cannot understand why an article like this one refers to disposable (bleached, uncomfortable) menstrual products as though they are the only option. Someone mentioned Lunapads - they and Gladrags and homemade cotton pads can be used for years and years. Sea sponges (check out jadeandpearl.com), Diva cup, and the Keeper are all reusable, environmentally friendly internal options.
This is the biggest problem, as I see it: many well educated, intelligent women don't even know that they can stop using the disposable crap and filling up landfills while saving money, just by choosing a more comfortable, less corporate medium to transfer their menstrual fluids from body to earth. Get with the program! Proctor and Gamble lied to you!
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Posted by: HereticChick on Apr 26, 2007 2:54 AM
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Think of the other applications for this medication. I'm not able to have children anymore, but it would help my symptoms until I reach menopause.
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Posted by: mthompson6887 on Apr 26, 2007 8:51 AM
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- missing a period is usually the first indicator of pregnancy. If abortion is supposed to be safer the sooner it happens, how will this help women? I am pro-life, but if abortion is going to be legal, I think we can all agree that it should happen earlier in the pregnancy rather than later;
- Ummm, all of our bodies, including men's, are controlled on an ongoing basis. The FDA currently controls what is approved for general public consumption with regard to food products and medications. All people are forbidden by law to consume various types of drugs without a prescription, if at all. It is the duty of the FDA to protect the public health.
- Someday, if the "no-period" approach proves to detrimental to a woman's health, whether reproductive or otherwise, women's groups will be the first to start screeching that the FDA "doesn't care about women's health" (catch-all, disengenuous complaint of choice of radical feminists)regarding abortion, contraception) because they failed to adequately study the long-term effects before approving this approach.
- Menstruation and pregnancy are NOT illnesses or malfunctions of biological systems. Erectile Dysfunction IS. Hence, the disparity that is frequently pointed out as a result of this "patriarchal society" when Viagra is covered by some health insurance companies, where birth control is not. Not only is pregnancy a normal process of a woman's body, it is a direct result of a voluntary activity that the woman CHOOSES to participate in.
This "my body" crap has got to stop. ALL of our bodies are controlled on a daily basis...by these little things called "laws".
Stop politicizing everything and making it about YOU. The Radical Feminist movement becomes more narcissistic by the minute.
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Posted by: Russ Wellen on Apr 26, 2007 12:20 PM
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Stay away from the drug industry unless you're life depends on it.
The issue of women's control over their bodies comes in a distant second.
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Posted by: Ephiny on Apr 26, 2007 1:44 PM
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Also, women have been using oral contraceptives 'off-label' to reduce or eliminate menstrual bleeding for about as long as the pill has existed. In fact this was the original purpose of the Pill. This is not new or unstudied.
I agree that menstruation is not an illness, but a perfectly normal healthy part of being female. However in some women it causes debilitating pain, excessive bleeding and other symptoms, and oral contraceptives are a reasonable choice to manage the problems. No it is not risk-free, however other alternatives such as long-term painkiller use are not entirely safe either, and a woman and her doctor may decide after risk-benefit analysis that this is the best choice for her. I don't see any problem with that.
Finally, having a period (or withdrawal bleed on a conventional pill regimen) is not a reliable indicator of whether one is pregnant or not! If you think you might be pregnant, take a real pregnancy test.
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Posted by: UnionMaid1377 on Apr 27, 2007 8:34 AM
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I know because I have it and my thyroid, pancreas and liver is being whacked because of it. Fortunately, regular phlebotomies can keep the excess iron in check...something regular menstrual periods used to accomplish before menopause.
and it affects men earlier than women because men don't bleed every month. It can have cardiac implication.
there is much documentation available on the 'net.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 29, 2007 10:40 AM
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Posted by: dearOread on May 16, 2007 9:56 AM
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I'd also direct you to:
http://alternet.org/environment/46213
http://alternet.org/environment/43242/
just for starters. Really interesting when you look at these.
Honestly, as a libertarian, I could give a rip what you want to do to your bod. Have at. But when what you do affects others and their right to grow up unfettered by toxins, well... I'd have to say it makes you look a bit whiny to bitch about the inconvenience of a period.
I can't say I mind mine - and Terry C, I find plenty of time between my aerospace engineering gig, university, family/toddler & social obligations to rinse out my damn enviro-friendly sanitary pads, no big. Perhaps....Get a grip. Perhaps read Inga Musico and get over your bodily functions hangups until there's a way to regulate your flow without disrupting those of other living things'.
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Posted by: porgygirl on Apr 24, 2007 2:48 PM
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And by the way, everyone who gets a period should check out www.lunapads.com or some other reusable products. Much much nicer, and better for the environment than bleached disposable toxic products.
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Posted by: terradea on Apr 24, 2007 3:32 PM
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There are many movements across the world in which women are training each other on terminating pregnancies without medical or legislative intervention. This knowledge needs to be made available to every woman. Take back control of your own body!
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 25, 2007 3:55 AM
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So what? None of my business whether you take it or not. If you can safely eliminate this from your life, good for you. As long as you are aware that you are something of a guinea pig and the drug has been properly tested for safety, I wish you well.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Apr 25, 2007 4:48 AM
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I am curious as to what the moral crusaders would say to that. Their illogical and intolerant answers would probably be rather amusing if they weren't so sick.
I also have to agree with UnEasyOne and would hope that this drug will not cause some unforeseen ill effects. Pharmacuetical companies are not really an entity to trust that our wellbeing is one of their primary concerns.
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Posted by: ccaporusso on Apr 25, 2007 5:04 AM
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Posted by: JadedThing on Apr 25, 2007 5:32 AM
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The issues around this pill are simple: If you don't like it, don't take it. If you don't want to be the guinea pig, wait it out and see what kind of side effects result in the coming years.
It made me uncomfortable that the author referred to periods as annoying and seemed to give them an air of "ickiness." Not all women share this view of their periods. In fact, personally, I enjoy getting my period every month. Now, don't get me wrong, the cramps, the stomaches, and the headaches put me out of capacity for at least a day--not my favorite thing. But menstruating is something special that I like to be a part of. To me, it is part of my womanhood. Not only that, I see menstruation as a monitor of my health. If a non-menopausal women stops or has irregularities, something is up--pregnancy, perhaps illness, or maybe even a sign of an eating disorder.
All of this said, if this pill is approved, I would most likely not choose to take it. However, I also think of the women out there with extraordinary pain, etc., that come along with their periods (it is different from woman to woman) and surely this pill would be a God-sent for them. And in fact, if any woman wants to go on this medication for any reason--more power to her for making that decision. This is about CHOICE. I would not look down on someone taking the medication, nor would I tolerate someone looking down upon me for celebrating my period and choosing to continue it.
Also, to the last comment, we DO know why women menstruate. I won't spend more time here on the scientific specifics, but you can certainly look them up.
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Posted by: CaciStevie on Apr 25, 2007 6:22 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 25, 2007 7:18 AM
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Spooky stuff, "rational medicine".
/sarcasm directed at the perpetually whining "we need more long term studies before I let you decide how you should care for your body" crowd.
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Posted by: deegee99 on Apr 25, 2007 7:45 AM
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I am leary of never having a 'period' though. Mother Nature does know what she is doing.
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Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 25, 2007 7:49 AM
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Posted by: martinet on Apr 25, 2007 7:55 AM
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I took birth control pills for close to fifteen years as my preferred contraceptive method. Took them faithfully and never once had as much as a scare. Since their effectiveness, when taken properly as I did, is in the high 90th percentile, I *shouldn't* have ever been scared. Yet I still welcomed that "red flag" every month, just to ensure that no, I was NOT pregnant. Even now, when my birth control method is my husband's vasectomy--at an even higher effectiveness percentile--I still feel a sense of relief at the surety that another month has elapsed without pregnancy.
I never wanted to have kids, and never intend to. My husband got his kids from his previous marriage, and is fine with not having any more with me. If I had gotten pregnant--or, god forbid, ever do get pregnant, in whatever hideously unlikely scenario would create that--I would have no qualms about aborting, IF I knew in the first trimester.
And that's why I need the period. Even with my faithful record of birth control, I have no faith that I would know I was pregnant if I didn't have that indicator. I'm large, so I might not notice early pregnancy weight gain that other, slimmer women might. I have a body that maintains its equilibrium well, so I might escape morning sickness or whatever else makes the little "pregnant!" lightbulb go off for women in TV shows. If I didn't have a period telling me every month that I'm not pregnant--how would I know? And how would I manage the attendant paranoia that would come with not knowing? And finally, if I didn't know for several months, would I end up having to consider abortion in the second trimester (which I feel less comfortable with) or to consider what would be, for me, the equally painful choice of having a child I didn't want?
I believe in a woman's right to as many safe, easily accessible contraception methods as possible. I understand that my psychological need for the "red flag" isn't a need for all women, and my own psychological needs don't, and shouldn't, determine other people's rights. Moreover, I believe in a woman's right to an abortion--but I'm into the "safe, legal, and rare" ideal, and I do wonder if the absence of menstruation en masse might affect later-term abortion rates or the births of unwanted children.
Any thoughts?
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Posted by: Tim Worstall on Apr 25, 2007 8:07 AM
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Modern women have far more periods than has historically been the case for the species. Early menarche, later menopause is one part of it, but for most of the 150,000 year life of the species women between those two dates would have been either pregnant or breast feeding and thus not having periods at all.
The more fertile of our foremothers might have had no more than 10 or 20 periods in their entire lives.
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Posted by: ladyoracle on Apr 25, 2007 9:20 AM
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I would take the no-period pill over the regular bc in a heartbeat!
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Apr 25, 2007 9:23 AM
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Although personally I've come to think that if men are so bleedin' (no pun intended) morally superior, why didn't Adam take the apple out of Eve's hand and throw it without taking the bite?
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Posted by: Rochelle_Weber on Apr 25, 2007 11:13 AM
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Too bad the men who think they should be allowed to regulate women's bodies couldn't somehow be made to deal with at least one week's worth of the agony I endured every month for forty years. Menopause has been an absolute blessing for me. This pill should be available to all younger women--especially those who endure the kind of menstruation I did.
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Posted by: Arousiak on Apr 25, 2007 11:44 AM
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so, what next? a pill to keep you from shitting, and farting, and peeing, and crying? i'd be TERRIFIED to raise a daughter in this country...
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Posted by: richenza on Apr 25, 2007 1:03 PM
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The reason I have concerns is that I took the (ordinary form) pill for about two years. I stopped because flooding my body with hormones did strange and unpleasant things to me. I don't know what that would have been like long-term, and decided I didn't care to find out. I use other forms of birth control instead. That said, if changing your hormones works for you or other women, then whatever - it's cool by me.
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Posted by: kellygreen on Apr 25, 2007 2:16 PM
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Posted by: emaa on Apr 25, 2007 3:05 PM
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All Pill brands (21/7 brands, Seasonale, Seasonique, Lybrel) stop menstruation for the entire time you take the pill. Millions of women have been using the Pill since 1960. It is now 2007. That's 47 years of studies of what happens in the long term to women who stop menstruating. According to the FDA:
[O]ver the years, more studies have been done on the pill to look for serious side effects than have been done on any other medicine in history....
The difference between regular pills and extended (Seasonale, Seasonique)/continuous (Lybrel use ones is not the presence or absence of a monthly menstrual period. All pills are designed to eliminate periods for as long as a woman takes them. The difference is that Seasonale, Seasonique, and Lybrel, on top of eliminating the period, also mostly/altogether do away with the monthly withdrawal bleed.
The monthly menstrual period and the monthly withdrawal bleed are not one and the same thing. They are distinct, unrelated events.
The monthly period is the body-directed shedding of a thickened uterine lining, under the influence of fluctuating endogenous hormone levels, at set intervals (~21 days). The monthly withdrawal bleed is the user-directed artificial destabilization of a thin uterine lining, as a result of deliberately manipulating the dosage of exogenous hormones in the Pill, at arbitrarily set intervals (21 days, 49 days, 84 days, 168 days, or 336 days).
A monthly menstrual period has a [single] biological purpose: to prepare the uterine lining for pregnancy. A monthly withdrawal bleed has no physiological or biological purpose. It's a designer trick, intended mostly to appease politicians and Popes. It's a historical artifact, not a biological requirement.
The New York Times recently published a much-discussed article...
Pretty much everything in that article, including the tile and "expert" opinions, was wrong, wrong, wrong.
Until we can figure out WHY it is that women menstruate...
We've already figured this one out. Menstruation prepares the uterine lining for pregnancy. That's it. If you're not planning a pregnancy there's no biological reason to menstruate.
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Posted by: StotheL on Apr 25, 2007 4:48 PM
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But for the life of me I cannot understand why an article like this one refers to disposable (bleached, uncomfortable) menstrual products as though they are the only option. Someone mentioned Lunapads - they and Gladrags and homemade cotton pads can be used for years and years. Sea sponges (check out jadeandpearl.com), Diva cup, and the Keeper are all reusable, environmentally friendly internal options.
This is the biggest problem, as I see it: many well educated, intelligent women don't even know that they can stop using the disposable crap and filling up landfills while saving money, just by choosing a more comfortable, less corporate medium to transfer their menstrual fluids from body to earth. Get with the program! Proctor and Gamble lied to you!
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Posted by: HereticChick on Apr 26, 2007 2:54 AM
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Think of the other applications for this medication. I'm not able to have children anymore, but it would help my symptoms until I reach menopause.
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Posted by: mthompson6887 on Apr 26, 2007 8:51 AM
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- missing a period is usually the first indicator of pregnancy. If abortion is supposed to be safer the sooner it happens, how will this help women? I am pro-life, but if abortion is going to be legal, I think we can all agree that it should happen earlier in the pregnancy rather than later;
- Ummm, all of our bodies, including men's, are controlled on an ongoing basis. The FDA currently controls what is approved for general public consumption with regard to food products and medications. All people are forbidden by law to consume various types of drugs without a prescription, if at all. It is the duty of the FDA to protect the public health.
- Someday, if the "no-period" approach proves to detrimental to a woman's health, whether reproductive or otherwise, women's groups will be the first to start screeching that the FDA "doesn't care about women's health" (catch-all, disengenuous complaint of choice of radical feminists)regarding abortion, contraception) because they failed to adequately study the long-term effects before approving this approach.
- Menstruation and pregnancy are NOT illnesses or malfunctions of biological systems. Erectile Dysfunction IS. Hence, the disparity that is frequently pointed out as a result of this "patriarchal society" when Viagra is covered by some health insurance companies, where birth control is not. Not only is pregnancy a normal process of a woman's body, it is a direct result of a voluntary activity that the woman CHOOSES to participate in.
This "my body" crap has got to stop. ALL of our bodies are controlled on a daily basis...by these little things called "laws".
Stop politicizing everything and making it about YOU. The Radical Feminist movement becomes more narcissistic by the minute.
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Posted by: Russ Wellen on Apr 26, 2007 12:20 PM
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Stay away from the drug industry unless you're life depends on it.
The issue of women's control over their bodies comes in a distant second.
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Posted by: Ephiny on Apr 26, 2007 1:44 PM
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Also, women have been using oral contraceptives 'off-label' to reduce or eliminate menstrual bleeding for about as long as the pill has existed. In fact this was the original purpose of the Pill. This is not new or unstudied.
I agree that menstruation is not an illness, but a perfectly normal healthy part of being female. However in some women it causes debilitating pain, excessive bleeding and other symptoms, and oral contraceptives are a reasonable choice to manage the problems. No it is not risk-free, however other alternatives such as long-term painkiller use are not entirely safe either, and a woman and her doctor may decide after risk-benefit analysis that this is the best choice for her. I don't see any problem with that.
Finally, having a period (or withdrawal bleed on a conventional pill regimen) is not a reliable indicator of whether one is pregnant or not! If you think you might be pregnant, take a real pregnancy test.
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Posted by: UnionMaid1377 on Apr 27, 2007 8:34 AM
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I know because I have it and my thyroid, pancreas and liver is being whacked because of it. Fortunately, regular phlebotomies can keep the excess iron in check...something regular menstrual periods used to accomplish before menopause.
and it affects men earlier than women because men don't bleed every month. It can have cardiac implication.
there is much documentation available on the 'net.
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Posted by: Glasser on Apr 28, 2007 1:37 AM
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 29, 2007 10:40 AM
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Posted by: dearOread on May 16, 2007 9:56 AM
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I'd also direct you to:
http://alternet.org/environment/46213
http://alternet.org/environment/43242/
just for starters. Really interesting when you look at these.
Honestly, as a libertarian, I could give a rip what you want to do to your bod. Have at. But when what you do affects others and their right to grow up unfettered by toxins, well... I'd have to say it makes you look a bit whiny to bitch about the inconvenience of a period.
I can't say I mind mine - and Terry C, I find plenty of time between my aerospace engineering gig, university, family/toddler & social obligations to rinse out my damn enviro-friendly sanitary pads, no big. Perhaps....Get a grip. Perhaps read Inga Musico and get over your bodily functions hangups until there's a way to regulate your flow without disrupting those of other living things'.
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