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Crime, Punishment and Vengeance in the Age of Mass Imprisonment

By Prema Polit, AlterNet. Posted April 14, 2007.


In the U.S., over 2.13 million people are incarcerated. Sasha Abramsky's new book, "American Furies," explores the bloated prison system and its tremendous financial and moral cost to our society.
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The prison system in the U.S. stands alone in the modern Western world as a model of mass incarceration. The "tough on crime" stance taken by elected officials from across the political spectrum has not halted the resurgence of crime in the last few years, nor has it helped prevent ex-inmates from once again ending up behind bars.

How did the U.S. devolve into a nation that incarcerates over 2.13 million people, when just a quarter century ago the number was 475,000? What happens when the criminal justice system deals out vengeance instead of justice?

Sasha Abramsky delves into these questions in his new book, American Furies: Crime, Punishment, and Vengeance in the Age of Mass Imprisonment, a title that alludes to the ancient Greek goddesses of vengeance. It follows in the tracks of his first two books, Hard Time Blues and Conned, and tries to synthesize what he has learned about criminal justice in the U.S. since an article assignment first piqued his interest around eleven years ago. American Furies traces criminal justice through American history, including the psychological and religious issues, and the power dynamics involved in the development and implementation of recent policy.

Abramsky's quiet Sacramento home is a far cry from some of the dark scenes he has witnessed in his research. AlterNet interviewed Abramsky there about his book and his ideas on how to extricate this country from an age of mass imprisonment.

Prema Polit: Why has the U.S. become incarceration central when other countries have taken a different route?

Sasha Abramsky: I think one of the reasons is that America took a distinctly conservative turn in the 1970s. Other countries went through their conservative moments, England being a case in point with Margaret Thatcher, but they didn't quite have the sort of populist conservatism that we have here. One of the effects is that there has been a pandering to really very ill thought out prejudice on an array of issues. Then a result of that in the criminal justice debates are very simplistic laws like "three strikes and you're out." They sound good in 15-second sound-bytes, and they're lousy public policy.

I think that the other reason, paradoxically, is that we're extremely wealthy, and extremely powerful. Most states, when they're at the zenith of their power, in addition to projecting themselves out onto the world also seem to impose order on their own populaces. America is the big cheese at the moment, so we're seeing those social policies playing out in America in a way that they're not playing out anywhere else right now.

An example is England in the late 19th century. Brimming with self-confidence, it believes that its political, social and economic systems are the best in the world. Its empire is at its maximum expansion. You see very similar policies in late 19th century England that you see here.

I think what's distinct about the American system is that America has reached the zenith of its power at a moment when technology provides so many opportunities for the state to insert itself in ways that it couldn't previously. One of the most fascinating things that comes to mind is that in addition to being liberal with its use of incarceration, we have technology that allows the state to eavesdrop, to control, to regiment the lives of its prisoners in a way that no other prison mechanism in history has been able to do. So we're not just creating more prisons, we're creating more secure prisons and more regimented prisons. We're not just creating more jobs for prison guards, but we're creating an entire subset of the economy based on the technology of incarceration.

PP: You wrote about the "Nothing Works" movement, which dismissed rehabilitative efforts for prisoners as ineffective. So what does work?

SA: I guess I should backtrack and explain what the "Nothing works" philosophy is. It's an idea which both the left and the right came to believe in in the 1970s. The idea was that a ton of money and a ton of resources had been invested in trying to create rehabilitation structures inside prisons for criminals. They were tailored to meet individual needs, and they were designed to recalibrate the way people behaved and also their belief structures. The left came to hate it because they concluded that these rehabilitation efforts were very totalitarian, that they were an attempt to sort of remodel people to meet social norms. And the right hated it because they thought it was wishy-washy. The consensus is that it should just be about punishment, that we should just get back to the basics. That's been fairly prevalent for about 25 or 30 years at this point.


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why America has 5 times more people in jail??
Posted by: richholland on Apr 14, 2007 2:33 AM   
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compared to western europe there are 5 times more people in jail compared to Europe.
Why?
maybe the allowance of using soft drugs has something to do with it???
I think that long sentences make a criminal act more criminal.
i.e. a murder in in Holland might give 8 years.

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Puritan "penetence" is a lousy basis for prison.
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 14, 2007 3:55 AM   
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Face it; some people are psychopaths - we need to lock em up forever. Not to punish them, but because they are predators. Once they have been identified, they should stay locked up. Almost all of em do get out though, because we are trying to find the appropriate punishment for a particular crime.

Nowhere near all of the people in prison in this country fit into this category though - and anybody who thinks troubled individuals are improved by being warehoused in hell for a period of time should get a clue. We need to look at our entire penal system from top to bottom and come up with a better way. The idea that beating hell out of a mean dog daily is gonna produce a nice dog is ludicrous.

What is really best for society? I don't think the present system works worth a damn as far as protecting us - otherwise, with our incarceration rate, we would have the safest,most law-abiding society in the world.

There are better ways - but we're gonna have to scrap the whole stupid system we have now to make em work - anybody ready for that?

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How to reduce the prison population: Legalize drugs -- starting with pot.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 14, 2007 4:18 AM   
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The fact that Americans can be incarcerated for growing plants in their homes that harm no one but themselves (maybe) shows how unimaginative our justice system is.

Until marijuana is legalized, prisons will simply get more crowded without any meaningful reform.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» Right on, aussidawg! Posted by: HughScott
the reason for crime and punishment in the first place...
Posted by: ellie on Apr 14, 2007 6:27 AM   
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is to put those less fortunate into a position where crime is the only avenue they have to scratch out the ability to stay alive...

punishment is necessary to create all those upper working class / middle class jobs such as jailers, social workers, treatment program advocates...

no crime = no jobs, the way of american society!

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Vengeance
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 14, 2007 6:34 AM   
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This article is really good because it exposes the vengeance factor.

The point about the imperial state and the need for control was good too. We feel we have a monopoly on right and wrong, and we want that to permeate everything and reach everywhere.

The trouble is that filling our psychological need for vengeance, projecting our anger/prejudices, and imposing our dogma of right and wrong is more important than any desire to reduce crime or rehabilitate criminals. It's part of our national character, so I'm not sure how open we would be to intelligent dialogue about crime reduction, even if crime reduction is our official goal.

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redroadtraveler
Posted by: redroadtraveler on Apr 14, 2007 6:44 AM   
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As a sixty-something white male with an MBA in Finance from the University of Michigan and a successful business career, I have also had direct experience with our "Just Us" system. I have served four years in prison for a crime I did not commit, plus had another three years of something called "superevised release" (where Big Brother attempts to monitor your every breath and actively seeks to "violate" you and put you back into prison for real or imagined violations of your behavior).

To win his case, my prosecutor committed purjery and obstruction of justice. When I confronted him with this fact, he simply sneered at me, laughed in my face, and said "WE don't have to FOLLOW the law, we ARE the law!" Prosecutors get promoted based on their conviction rates, not their "justice" rates.

And such is the state of justice in America today. Are there real criminals in jail? You bet. But in my experience, there are more honorable people in prison than in the entire "Just Us" system, from President Bush and Alberto Gonzales on down. They all have the "Gitmo is Good" attitude and the whole prison complex is now a vast government gulag for free labor, benefitting the whole industry that builds prisons, staffs them, etc., so don't look for any quick changes. It's not about truth and justice. It's about protecting the job promotions of prosecutors and the economic interests of the prison industry.

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» People of the Lie Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: redroadtraveler Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah
What is justice
Posted by: Lector on Apr 14, 2007 7:45 AM   
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There is none in practical terms if one considers what the dictionary meaning of justice is. Anyone who has been victimized, even when justice is served, the guilty put away, there still remains no fairness and nothing is reasonable. People are always saying that American justice is still the best system in the world despite being in a poor state. How is it that the US government can break the laws, fail to obey the Constitution, get away with it, while the little guy ends up having to dig holes with leg irons on because of welfare fraud or not paying his income tax. We're in a state of history where overdoing it is the norm. On the whole. the common man still can’t get justice in America. If you’ve got connections, you can.

Robert L. Lightfoot

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Numbers Game....
Posted by: picket on Apr 14, 2007 8:54 AM   
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At Christmas time Paul Craig Roberts wrote an excellent article that remembered the wrongfully convicted among us. "America's Injustice System Is Criminal.".... a couple points in his article

" ...defendants are coerced into admitting to a crime to escape more severe punishment for maintaining innocence. Only one out of twenty cases will be tested in the courtroom."

" ...prosecutors can prosecute every case and boast of extremely high conviction rates. Plea bargain mills and frame up factories today are results oriented, not justice oriented."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts187.html

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» RE: Numbers Game.... Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: Numbers Game.... Posted by: jmonday
» RE: Numbers Game.... Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Numbers Game.... Posted by: EagleMB
Crime, Punishment, and Vengeance in the Age of Mass Imprisonment
Posted by: pfm on Apr 14, 2007 9:52 AM   
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Crime, Punishment, and Vengeance in the Age of Mass Imprisonment……. Incarceration in its many camouflaged forms has throughout history been a favorite form of the “haves” to exert their power over the “have-nots.” Why then are “we” finding this condition remarkable in our contemporary American society…?

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Capitalist Punishment?
Posted by: yellow on Apr 14, 2007 10:48 AM   
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People should look at the expanded roll of prison industries in the US. The Federal government's Federal Prison Industries Corporation gave way to privatized prison industries beginning in the 1980s. By 2005, the Corrections Corporation of America, the cornerstone of US prison privatization invested $28.89/day per inmate and gleaned a profit of $50.26/day per inmate. By the second quarter of 2005, CCA announced a 3% increase in revenue from the previous year for a total of $300 million. The massive incarceration rate has benefited the CCA, the biggest private prison contractor in the US, and its stockholders since the 1990s when the Clinton Administration began to dole out contracts like candy. Private prison business is one force behind the growth of current incarceration rates in America.

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» RE: Capitalist Punishment? Posted by: breakingatoms
What about the 40 million felons roaming the streets???
Posted by: psychochurch on Apr 14, 2007 11:17 AM   
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I am so sick and tired of subterfuge like this it makes me sick....Yea, we have 2. 4 mil in prison, and another 5 mil or so on paper....thats not the fucking point...what we have now is the public going along with the new improved 21st centruy JIM CROW laws....The crim justice system is just another tool of oppression......Its like this....create a sophisticated social system that takes mentally healthy and educated people to survive...deny this positive environment to as many as possible...the result??? A bunch of social cripples pushed around by forces beyond their control...addiction, discrimination, poverty, alienation.....blah, blah, blah...The main issue here is the 40 million felons...not the 6 mil that can't vote, or the 7.1 mil trapped in DOC....Do the math. Use life expectancy of 70 years...go back and look at the number of felons created over the last 50 years.....look at the disenfranchisement laws applied to felons today....No ProfessionalLicenses, No Bonding, in alot of cases, No Apartment, No Credit, NO Job....and then come back and tell me every article we see on crime is focusing on the real issues....

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theres another way to fix a flawed legal system...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Apr 14, 2007 11:59 AM   
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and thats simply to get rid of it ..its called the military commissions act..and it allows the military..at the behest of the commander-in-chief..to simply throw your ass in jail at the drop of a hat...no more trials.. no more lawyers.. and no more point in having discussions like this...

we have a much more pressing problem on our hands right now..and thats making sure that there even is a criminal justice system at all...only then can we start worrying about how to fix it...

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no justice
Posted by: P. Sophia on Apr 14, 2007 6:58 PM   
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Having had a closeup look at the federal "justice" system in action, i find myself agreeing with the commenter who spoke about lying prosecutors and/or u.s. attorneys. However, federal judges are a more shameful lot.

The Framers of the Constitution recognized lawmakers (with a tendency to pander due to having to seek election) would make unconstitutional laws, so they gave federal judges lifetime tenure hoping they would have the independence to do the right thing -- invalidate bad laws.

Thanks to federal judges not doing their duty (upholding the constitution - no deprivation of liberty unless outweighed by promotion of the general welfare), that is, thanks to federal judges upholding prohibition (aka controlled substances act) America has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Take, for example, the drug called alcohol -- there is alcohol use and alcohol misuse, but no one in their right mind would consider banning alcohol use altogether. History has shown us prohibition does not work. There will always be some percentage of the population that misuses substances -- making them criminals is not the answer unless it can be shown that their conduct directly resulted in harm.

(JOKE) Question: What do you call an attorney who hasn't read the Constitution? Answer: A federal judge.

We need a constitutional convention -- or a constitutional amendment -- end lifetime tenure for federal judges.

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CCA - bling bling, America
Posted by: eddie torres on Apr 14, 2007 9:15 PM   
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Shares in publicly-traded Corrections Corporation of America (CCA - "Prison Privatization at its Best") were trading on Friday at $53.63.

That's too f***ing low.

Better throw another 100,000 "perps" in jail - somebody needs a new Mercedes.

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Time to think out of the Box...so to speak............
Posted by: ekipnrut on Apr 15, 2007 9:10 AM   
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Interesting to see a virtual unanimity of concurring opinions,,,
An Alternet first? :O)
The first hyperlink goes to the ominous practices of the US military/intel community regarding 'war prisoners'..the point is that there is a great deal of exchange of information between the military and civilian prison administrative hierarchies (and
line staff) regarding techniques and practices of prison popu- lation control.
The second Alternet article link has a number of pertinent
hyperlinks therein.......
MPT
ALTN
....A new Australia anybody??? :O)

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Crime rate has gone down dramatically since Clinton presidency.
Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Apr 15, 2007 4:30 PM   
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From a all-time high of 4,000,000+ incidents of violent crime in 1993 to present day 1,700,000 last year. And this despite a significant increase in population.

Take your pick: high crime rate or high prison population.

And I have a novel answer to the high prison population:

Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time -- Berreta

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What liberals stand for.
Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Apr 15, 2007 4:42 PM   
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*no mention of the victim by liberals

*hypocrit ideology that stabs a self aware, pain feeling, and conscious baby to death seconds from birth, while professing mercy for murdering pedophiles.

*marginalizing the horror of drug addiction.

*absence of self control and discipline

*excuses for abhorrent behavior, while never providing "excuses" for success.

*blame everyone and everything except the perp, while many citizens under identical circumstances rise above their conditions.

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» RE: What liberals stand for. Posted by: patszar
Liberal policies speak for themselves.
Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Apr 15, 2007 4:52 PM   
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Note the link below, when liberals hold sway over the justice system crime soars. Nobody wants to go back to the bad ole days of the late 60's and 70's

liberal policies=increase in crime and victimization

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Totalitarianism Through the Back Door
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Apr 15, 2007 9:14 PM   
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The worst offenders, such as war criminals, go scott-free, while tremendous violence and damage is done to the poor, foreigners and political dissidents. The case of Sami Al-Arian (www.freesamialarian.com) is very instructive in this connection. The privatization or prisons only worsens the problem by giving extra incentive, on the part of politicians, for not only marinating, but expanding the prison population. One way or another our courts and prisons mainly have a political function. Even in cases, such as private murder and rape, which are uncontroversial in the sense of the prosecution being free of any overt arbitrary agenda, it is clear that the threat of punishment utterly fails in actually preventing these crimes; i.e. the aim of ultimate prevention of crime, without doing damage to civil liberties, is only conceivable legitimate function of a society having prisons. This fact implies that the structure of society may in fact be defective, and that the fact of the existence crimes should be treated as a symptom of a deeper social problem. Until this possibility is taken seriously, whatever accidental benefit the current arrangement be argued to bring, it is in essence arbitrary--an instrument of political power. This fact ought to alarm everyone because it indicates that our society is rotten at the core.

My own view is that punishment is always was indefensible; that when all is taken into account the net effect is negative and that there are only two reasons that, at this stage of our moral maturity, punishment is still tolerated: As a release for individual, as well as collective sadism (look at the amount and quality of media attention executions bring, e.g.); and to further the ends of those with money and those in power. At any rate, a rational case for punishment must first be made, before any laws can be ratified; these should then only be ratified by public will, certainly not the caprice of politicians or even judges—if this process does not take place then what we have is fascism, not democracy.

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I have a solution...POSTIVE REINFORCEMENT...
Posted by: EagleMB on Apr 16, 2007 12:46 AM   
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Liberal's seem to think that our criminal justice system targets the poor and underprivilidged as opposed to criminals (i.e. those who commit crimes). So why not try a new approach. Every time a crime is committed, lets buys the criminal a new exotic car or malibu mansion (but make them promise not to commit another crime).

Our justice system spends way too much time punishing criminals, doesn't it?

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EagleMB....Nancy Grace?????
Posted by: picket on Apr 16, 2007 5:54 AM   
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Saw you on the Stewart video above.

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Gangs and Prison
Posted by: cynicl on Apr 16, 2007 9:24 AM   
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As someone who works in community corrections, I agree with many of the above mentioned concerns. Here is one that isn't mentioned in the article: If you want to effectively address the street gang problem, you'd better address our prison problem! The gangs on the street are run from inside our prison walls. From the Mexican Mafia to the Aryan Brotherhood--the power structure exists and thrives within prison. C'mon, when a gang banger enters the prison pop he's said to have "graduated"! I know there are larger sociological issues here, but incarceration feeds the gangs' power structure. This is a broken system that dehumanizes the offender and eventually dehumanizes the staff. But where is the $ going? Not into community corrections, thats certain. I've heard all the complaints about probation/parole and I agree that there is too much room for abuse of power, yet the alternative is not working. Remember, the P.O. is the community babysitter--the job is to supervise and confirm that an offender (who has already proven an inability to follow society's rules) will follow said rules. There are usually added requirements such as anger management classes, drinking/tavern restrictions, UA's if drugs were involved, etc. The problem isn't probation/parole, its that the services we would like to refer offenders to don't exist anymore. Why not? Because all the federal/state money is cut from those programs and --shocker-- put into the prison industry. Time for a change.

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poor criminals...
Posted by: Dboy on Apr 16, 2007 7:41 PM   
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Yeah, those poor unfortunate criminals, like this guy:



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The suspect is described as a black man, between 20 – 30 years old. He stands approximately six feet tall and is very muscular. He was carrying a bag with a zipper. Police do not have any vehicle information.
Incident Details
On Tuesday, April 10, between the hours of 2 – 4 a.m., a 25-year-old Frisco woman was alone in her first floor apartment at an apartment complex located in the 9700 block of Wade Blvd (see map link), when a man forced his way into her apartment by smashing the glass patio door.

Armed with a short barreled shotgun, the suspect bound, sexually assaulted and stabbed the woman several times. The suspect also demanded the victim’s purse and ultimately took her ATM card before leaving her for dead.

Once the suspect left, the victim managed to crawl for help and a neighbor called 911. At approximately 4:30 a.m., the suspect went to an ATM in Southlake, where he withdrew cash from the victim’s bank account using the ATM card.

As of April 12, 2007, The stabbing and sexual assault victim in Tuesday’s home invasion attack at a Frisco apartment complex is in stable condition at this hour.

Aside from adding more, citywide patrols -- Frisco Police are scheduling Neighborhood Crime Watch meetings at several apartment complexes throughout Frisco.

“Last night, we met with residents of the complex where the attack happened,” said Sgt. Gina McFarlin. “We have also scheduled three more Neighborhood Watch Meetings for next week. We’re working to provide the same information to all our apartment residents,” said Sgt. McFarlin.

Frisco Police remind apartment residents to:
• lock your doors,
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While the armed suspect in Tuesday’s attack and similar crimes throughout the area have occurred at apartment complexes, specifically first floor apartments, Sgt. McFarlin says all residents should heed the safety reminders.

Frisco Police are also working in conjunction with several local agencies and continue to search for the suspect, who may be responsible for numerous other home invasion attacks throughout Dallas-Fort Worth over the past two years.


Schepps Dairy is offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and indictment of a suspect in the Frisco attack. Persons with information are asked to call the Frisco Police at 972-292-6010 or their local police agency.
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you STILL feel sorry for criminals?


Dboy

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» RE: poor criminals... Posted by: gary_7vn
And the death penalty?
Posted by: daro on Apr 18, 2007 12:54 AM   
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So far, not a mention of that extreme manifestation of vengeance, the death penalty.

According to Amnesty International, 123 innocent people have been executed in the U.S. over the past 30 years.

Amnesty also notes that the U.S. is one of the four countries in the world (with China, Saudi Arabia and Iran) that account for 94% of executions.

Add into the equation suspension of Habeus Corpus, Guantanamo, rendition and that massive prison population doesn't that pose a few questions.................

O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

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The Reason to Legalize Drugs - Part I
Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 18, 2007 2:31 PM   
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RE: Constitutional Amendment Against Consensual Crime Laws
[Report this comment] Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 18, 2007 2:24 PM

That these corporation now have so many drugs out there that cure everything from rotting toenails, to restess leg syndrome, to impotence. to back problems, to hair loss, to aging, to hypertension, to chlosterol, ad nauseum, with many having still unknown side effects and long term problems, and priced to produce such enormouse profits, that the sale of pharmeceutical grade narcotics, amphetemeines, sedetives, etc that have been around as long as mankind itself, the threat of lawsuits is minor if not almost nonexistant. They in fact currently manufacture drugs that coud be substituted for all street drugs right now! As far as OD's are concerned...how many OD's do you hear about in the daily news involving morphine, oxycontin (the ones that were so popularized around 2000 were bogus and later retracted). What about Ritilin, Dexedrine, methedrine (pharmecuetical versions of street meth that is manufacture legally and also used for ADHD-drugs that are by any definition constitute speed. Cocaine is available for use in eye surgeries and again, manufactured legally by pharmeceutical USA. Methadone (and yes, it is cheap...clinics normally charge $12 per week in methadone programs- I knew a psychiatrist that was in charge of the cinic in San Antonio, Tx.) is not intended as a lifelong therapy, rather, one which is used to substitute methadone for heroin, and then gradualy reduced becaue the withdrawal syndrome is less severe (suposedly) than that of heroin, but also longer lasting. In the end, the goal is to taper the addict off of the drug entirely. In addition, methadone (fyi also called Dolyphine as during WWII it was developed by 5 of Adolf Hitler's top pharmecologists as s substitute for heroin and morphine, which Adolf Hitler was addicted to, and because both morphine and heroin were widely unavailabe in Germany at the time.) There are methadone maintencnce programs where addicts do have the option to remain on this as long as wanted, but, shortly after starting its use, it produces no "high" regardless of the dose and blocks the "high" of other opiates, making most users eventually stop because they recieve no benefit of a high, just relief from withdrawal symptoms. Oh yes...methadone is also dirt cheap (I used it by prescription for years to relieve chronic back pain caused by degenerating disks and facet joins), just as is heroin,, morphine, cocaine, marijuana, and amphetemine of any type. I don't know what your age is, but I remember back when I was a youngun, they use to sell, over the counter, an inhailer that was called a Benzedrix Inhaler. It contained Benzedrine (an amphetemine, and was available for purchase by a person of any age group. If prharmeceutical grade drugs be they opiates (the only true 'narcotic' drugs), stimulants, alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, minor tranquilizers, or (thess make me a bit skittish because they are in fact dangerous, but nonetheless used to be prescribed like candy to insomniacs) barbiturates and methaquaalone (Quaaludes) were legalized, and along with each purchase ther came a leaflet, just like those now accompanying presrriptions that detail the safe use and dosages), OD's wouln't be the serious problem it is. In the case of opiate overdose, there is a drug called naltrexone that immediately stops the effects of the opiate. This coud even be sold in addition to any opiate drugs. See Part II

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The Reason to Legalize Drugs - Part II
Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 18, 2007 2:38 PM   
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The Reason to Legalize drugs - Part II
[Report this comment] Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 18, 2007 2:28 PM

Look. The reasons to legalize drugs far outwiegh keeping the illegal. It would save enormous amounts of tax payer money, eliminate many otherwise violations to individual rights under the Constitution (such as cops' confiscations of automobiles, homes, boats BEFOREthe suspect every gets his day in court, and frequently never does), stopping needless deaths due to tainted drugs, shootouts between rival dope dearers and those innocent people killed in drug raids by overzealous cops or SWAT teams (this happens far more than you may think) freeing up our prisons for violent prisoners and corrupt politicians, free up law enforcement to chase dangerous criminals rather than those looking for a bit of relief whie struggling under Bu$h's corporate welfare progarms and displacement of jobs by shipping them overseas, all the while reducing social safety nets for tose out of work or health insurance, frustrated by imperial illegal wars and an otherwise a blantenly corrput presidency that cares nothing about its constituacy other that converting them to The Bu$sh/Cheney hypocritical eavgelical "christain", allow chroinc pain sufferers such as myself, along with those suffering from glaucoma and cancer patients suffereing side effects of chemo and radiation therapy, to get the drugs they need, in the quantities they need to relieve their suffering. Let me make a proposal to you. If you ever develop AIDS, degenerative disk or sprinal problems, cancer, glacoma, have you home raided by a SWAT team that happenes to have made a mistake of an address, etc. l