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Christian Right Leaders: America Can Only Be 'Reclaimed' by Religious Revival

By Adele Stan, Church and State. Posted April 20, 2007.


Religious Right leaders at the Reclaiming America For Christ Conference fretted that America cannot be "reclaimed" from the grip of the evil forces that now engulf it until religious revival sweeps the land.
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At the first major conclave of Religious Right foot soldiers since the 2006 elections, a sense of solemnity pervaded the sanctuary of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, also known as the pulpit of D. James Kennedy, the ailing televangelist pastor whose multi-million-dollar religious enterprise is based in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. Gathered together on March 2-3 for the annual "Reclaiming America for Christ" conference, participants heard from a range of speakers, by turns inward-looking, triumphalist or bellicose.

Hospitalized since a near-fatal heart attack on Dec. 28, Kennedy was absent from the conference, over which he has presided almost every year since the first one in 1995. The roster, however, was filled with speakers who made frequent use of the buzzwords reflective of Kennedy's ministry, particularly the use of the terms "salt" and "light," derived from the Gospel of Matthew, to denote the two ways in which Kennedy asserts Christians must act in the world: as "salt" -- to arrest the decay of society -- and "light" -- to reveal the path to everlasting life through the born-again Christian experience.

The conference is the product of the Center for Reclaiming America, one of several distinct components that are part of Coral Ridge Ministries, which took in some $38 million in 2005, according to the organization's own tax filings. While great pains appear to have been taken to demonstrate adherence to the letter, if not the spirit, of the law that grants exemption from federal taxes to non-partisan religious institutions, the political underpinnings of the event were apparent in the resumes of the speakers.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, is a former GOP representative in the state legislature of Louisiana; Richard Land, chair of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, reportedly speaks weekly with White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove on an advisory conference call; Phyllis Schlafly helped launch the Republican right via Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign; Brad Bright worked as an aide to GOP Senator William Armstrong (Colo.); Rick Green of Wallbuilders served as a Republican representative in the Texas legislature; and Barbara Collier, national field director for the Center for Reclaiming America, served as the Broward County co-chair for the 2004 Bush-Cheney ticket.

If there was an overarching theme to this year's event, it was that America cannot be "reclaimed" from the grip of the evil forces that now engulf it until religious revival sweeps the land. Several speakers seemed to berate the faithful for not being holy enough.

"Demons in the holes of hell know more scripture" than many Christians, said Brian Fisher, executive vice president of Coral Ridge Ministries. The Southern Baptist Convention's Land fingered divorce as a culprit.

"We've become more like the culture," Land said, "than the culture has become like us.... God is not going to send revival, God is not going to send an awakening, as long as the divorce rate inside the church is the same as the divorce rate outside the church -- and it is. What do we have to say to the world when we get divorced as often as the world does?"

At the same time, Land -- who penned a 2002 letter to President George W. Bush signed by D. James Kennedy and other Religious Right leaders that urged the invasion of Iraq -- exhorted believers not to retreat from the world.

"We're to be close enough to the world that they can see the light and feel the heat," Land said. "There's no room in being obedient to the command to be salt and light for us to withdraw from the world and say, 'Oh, we're not going to get involved in that stuff, we're not going to get involved in public policy, we're not going to get involved in politics; that's dirty worldly stuff. We're just gonna, we're just gonna, we're just gonna withdraw and have a closed meeting of the saints and sorta go into a spiritual holding pattern until it's time to go up and be with Jesus.' That is not what the Lord had in mind...."

Despite a bullet-pointed sheet from Land in the conference literature that called for Christians to become "good stewards of the environment," in his speech he tarred today's environmentalists with the brush of communism.

"[A]ll the pinks," Land said, "have become chartreuse; that's the environmental crowd." In an America run by "secularists," Land's hand-out reads, "[h]uman life would become more commoditized." There would be clone farms and polygamy, all part of "a neo-paganist triumph."

• • •

The culture warriors who sauntered between sessions among the modern buildings and tropical landscaping of Coral Ridge Presbyterian could easily pass for any of the thousands of suburbanites who find their way to Ft. Lauderdale to board one of the giant cruise ships that grace the harbor. Conference organizers counted some 1,300 souls in attendance, mostly middle-aged and elderly, dressed with precision in office-casual attire. Nearly all were white.

Even in March, the air was warm and humid, with winds sometimes blowing hard enough to bend the tops of the palm trees that surround the elegant white church building in which the speakers addressed the troops. The church sanctuary is a full-blown and roomy television studio, complete with state-of-the-art video cameras, including one on a crane to offer the sort of panoramic shots we've become unconsciously used to seeing on television. Two other cameras -- one in the balcony and another on a dolly in the center aisle, offered alternative angles at the director's command.

While most speakers addressed the crowd from the stationary mic in the pulpit, others, like Brian Fisher, strode the stage wearing the clip-on Lavelier microphone typically used by guests on television talk shows. The speakers were dwarfed by their own images, broadcast on giant video screens mounted on either side of the stage. A third screen, in the center, was used by some for PowerPoint slides.

Meals were available in the fellowship hall, a separate building that houses a sizable bookstore and an auditorium from which one could watch the conference proceedings on yet another giant video screen while enjoying a snack. Outdoors, elaborate landscaping complete with falling water and shaded benches, offered a resting place, so long as you didn't mind the ubiquitous security guards watching your every move. Around the building's perimeter and in the parking lot, as well as in the sanctuary, large and serious-looking men sporting tell-tale curlicue ear wires made their presence known. The parking lot was dotted with Florida's bright-yellow "Choose Life" license plates, an anti-abortion accessory for the righteously appointed automobile.

Inside the sanctuary, speakers veered between messages calling for humility and loving outreach to claims of anointment and condemnation. On the first day, Christine Schneeringer of Worthy Creations Ministry made an earnest appeal for the church to be more welcoming to gay people who are seeking to turn from "their unwanted same-sex attractions."

Schneeringer, a self-described former lesbian who came to the church via Exodus, the ministry of the "ex-gay" movement, told a chilling story about being at a Sunday school class with fellow church members who had no idea that she had lived as a lesbian. One classmate, Schneeringer said, told her that she had no compassion for homosexuals. The other, Schneeringer continued, said, "Well, I don't have any compassion on homosexuals (sic) and I think AIDS is God's judgment on them."

Adding that, in the context of the church, "the homosexual is the modern-day leper," Schneeringer explained that repentant homosexuals are "on our side" and trying to "surrender to God and crucify their fleshly desires...."

The very next day, however, had apparently been reserved for the opposite viewpoint, expressed by Perkins of the Family Research Council and Ann Coulter of, well, Ann Coulter.

The premise of Perkins' address was that the church has failed through complacency.

"How else," he asked, "do you explain the courts that have rejected 5,000 years of human history by taking the oldest God-ordained institutions known to man, marriage and family, and redefining them according to the twisted desires of about one percent of the nation's population?"

On the matter of gay rights, Coulter's contribution was to describe, from the pulpit, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards as "a faggot," a remark that did not go over as well at Coral Ridge as it had the day before at a meeting of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington, D.C.

Both stirred the pot against Muslims, as well, with Coulter repeating her post-9/11 remark that the leaders of Muslim countries should be forcibly converted to Christianity, and Perkins complaining that the Muslim call to prayer is "now broadcast over American cities." (The use of the word "broadcast" is a bit of a stretch; it's most commonly announced over a mosque's own public address system, much like the digital loops of chimes played in the bell towers of modern churches.)

Perkins read the call to prayer aloud, implying it to be something to which a Christian should take offense since it declares that there is no god but Allah. (He omitted the fact that Allah translates from Arabic to English as the word "God.") Then he repeated it in Arabic.

"Allah akbar," he said, derisively. "That's what Islamic terrorists say before they cut off your head."

Noting that the call to prayer is "broadcast" five times a day while "Christians have a hard time getting a manger scene put up one time a year," Perkins asked, "How is it that in our nation where Muslims account for about 6 million of the 300 million living in this country, and Christians comprise 100 million, that Muslims can control the public policy and we cannot? I suggest to you that it is because Christians have become apathetic to our role in shaping the policy in our nation, and it could have deadly consequences, not only for the unborn, but for the living as well."

But Perkins' invitation to rage was no mere commiseration of resentment; it was a call to action. He did, however, qualify his call.

"I am not here to call the church to partisan action," Perkins explained. "I am not here advocating for a political party. I am here advocating for Christian citizenship."

Lest any of the assembled miss the point, Perkins offered up the story of Phineas, grandson of Moses' brother Aaron, from Numbers 25. Phineas was rewarded by God with an "everlasting priesthood" for killing an Israelite and his Midian lover because God had forbidden the mixing of the men of Israel with the women of that tribe.

The story is, essentially, the vindication of the criminalization of "miscegenation" -- a sentiment consistent with Perkins' past courting of such racist groups as the Ku Klux Klan and the Council of Conservative Citizens, America's largest white supremacist organization, according to journalist Max Blumenthal. (Perkins bought, on behalf of political client Senator Woody Jenkins, a phone-bank list from former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke.)

Coulter's rhetoric was no less violent. In describing the murders of doctors and health care personnel who worked at abortion clinics, Coulter said the victims had been shot, "...or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure performed on them with a rifle."

Perkins use of the Scripture was only slightly less menacing than Coulter's flippant analogy.

"We read that Phineas arose and he took action...," Perkins said.

"Not only is prayer required...I warn you that if you begin to pray for our nation that, at some point in time, you're gonna be prayin' and you're gonna feel a tap on your shoulder and hear, 'Son, daughter, I've heard your prayer; now I want you to do something about it.'"

Just in case his message should be misconstrued, however, Perkins offered this caveat: "Now, let me be clear, in case the media's here," he said, "I'm not advocating you go home and get a pitchfork out of your storage shed and run into your neighbor's house." Phineas, the Bible tells us, used a javelin.

Throughout the weekend, conference speakers strove to grapple with their movement's roots in the segregationist South by making claim to the legacy of the abolitionists, many of whom were prominent Christians. In the revisionist history given of the nation's founding, Wallbuilders' Rick Green made a point of acknowledging the contributions of a number of African-American Revolutionary War fighters, an acknowledgment barely heard even in liberal circles during Black History Month.

Speakers went to a lot of pains to demonstrate acceptance, but the legacy of the Confederacy constantly lurked in the shadows, General Robert E. Lee apparently being the most acceptable symbol of such. Brad Bright told a story about a little boy whose father "admired General Lee greatly."

The Southern Baptists' Land made a point of telling attendees that he had 19 ancestors who fought for the Confederacy and 17 who fought for "the Union side." In his office in Nashville, he said, he keeps a bust of Abraham Lincoln. In his study at home, he added, hangs a portrait of Robert E. Lee, "in his colonel's uniform when he was in the Union army." In fact, back when Lee was part of it, it wasn't yet known as "the Union army." Back then, that branch of the military was known as the United States Army.

• • •

But fiery rhetoric alone is hardly enough to "reclaim" America, it seems, for some nuts-and-bolts sessions on messaging and organizing were offered, as well. Bright, in particular, offered some solid how-to advice on what he called "reframing" -- using your opponent's response to your provocation as a platform for your own agenda. Jesus, he told us, never got off-message; neither did Peter or Paul (though he neglected to mention that Peter and Paul had rather different messages, hence, a major falling-out).

But the über-message offered by Bright, son of Bill Bright, the late founder of Campus Crusade for Christ, is that the key to success lies in having the correct view of God. In a 2005 Baylor University study, Bright contended, American believers were found to regard God in one of four ways: authoritarian, benevolent, critical or distant. If you knew which of these views a person had of his or her Maker, Bright said, you could predict the way he or she would vote.

Indeed, though he did not say it, the Baylor study, "American Piety in the 21st Century," shows that a solid majority of evangelical Christians believe in an authoritarian God, and that believers in that model of God adhere not only to right-wing positions on social issues, but -- with the exception of African-Americans -- were also far more likely than others to support the war in Iraq.

In a similar vein, Frank Wright of the National Religious Broadcasters laid out several stages of debate. When your argument is dismissed because the matter has been settled by accepted science, he explained, you know you are really getting somewhere.

That's what happened with the subject of climate change, he said. The debate got shut down just as "climatologists started to make progress against the prevailing global warming orthodoxy by showing that the data and the conclusions were somewhat suspect." However, like Bright, Wright did offer pointers on how to leverage opposition to one's viewpoint into a platform for advancing it ("what Dr. Kennedy calls the judo technique," he said).

Wright also spoke darkly of a possible "resurrection" of the Fairness Doctrine, the 20th-century law repealed in 1987 that required media conveyed over a public trust, such as the television spectrum or radio waves, to offer balanced information on matters of public importance.

"It would literally say," warned Wright, "that a Christian programmer, broadcaster, would have to give up half of their time away to opposing viewpoints...."

A boon to the nuts-and-bolts portion of the program was surely Phyllis Schlafly's multimedia presentation on how she and the "ladies" of Eagle Forum stopped the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, an act that brought about the founding of the "pro-family movement," she said.

If Schlafly's appearance at the opening night's Salt and Light Awards Dinner -- among the winners were Allen and Leslee Unruh, who ran the failed campaign in South Dakota to maintain that state's ban of abortion -- was a high point, the big name on the closing night proved disastrous.

In her remarks to those who pledged to reclaim the nation for Christ, Ann Coulter equated the lives of aborted fetuses with those of the doctors and abortion clinic workers who were murdered by anti-abortion terrorists.

"Those few abortionists were shot or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure with a rifle performed on them," Coulter told her audience, which responded with laughter.

"I'm not justifying it," she continued, "but I do understand how it happened.... The number of deaths attributed to Roe v. Wade -- about 40 million aborted babies and seven abortion clinic workers -- 40 million to seven is also a pretty good measure of how the political debate is going."

If those remarks went over reasonably well, Coulter's re-use, from the Coral Ridge pulpit, of an anti-gay epithet to describe Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards brought forth a gasp from the packed pews. The reaction prompted her to say she had taken her last question and scurry off the stage.

Americans United's Lynn wrote to conference organizers, taking objection to the use of such language in a religious setting. At press time, Americans United had yet to receive a response. In the recap of the conference on the Web site for Coral Ridge's Center for Reclaiming America, there's not a mention of Coulter to be found.

The last anyone heard from conference organizers about their choice of Coulter as a keynote speaker was from Center executive director Cass, who told the Sun-Sentinel newspaper, the day before the conference, "[Coulter is] a polarizing person. Some have told us they think her style is too caustic, though they agree with her positions. Others love her style."

Absent a response to AU's letter, one can only assume that Cass and D. James Kennedy "agree with her positions."

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Adele M. Stan is a regular contributor to The American Prospect Online, and to Prospect’s weblog, TAPPED.

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this sounds just like fudamentalist Muslims
Posted by: drblack on Apr 20, 2007 1:15 AM   
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There is no difference between Christian or Muslim extremists except for the book they revere.
After a few generations of this kind of militant teaching and preaching, ANY dogmatic belief system will generate violent extremists.
We are also fortunate that our country has a long history of Democracy, Freedom,tolerance and Individualism. This has kept violence of religious extremists to a minimum. The Founders of the USA were wise by making a seperation of church and state as well.
This will change if events like this or "Jesus camp'(from documentary of the same name) are not countered.
These christian extremists feel that the bible should be the law of the USA and do not let facts or the Constitution get in their way.
You will love jesus...or else!

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A pertinent question.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 20, 2007 3:01 AM   
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What do Tony Perkins, Richard Land, Phyllis Schlafly, Brad Bright, Rick Green and Barbara Collier have in common beside religion?

ANSWER. They are wealthy.

Enough said.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption. AlterNet readers who object to my NON-PROFIT campaign to expose President Bush as a lying crook can email me through the website rather than comment here.

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G.W.
Posted by: jims713 on Apr 20, 2007 3:45 AM   
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and his friends are the evil that envelopes the country. The axis of evil is right here.

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Wow
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Apr 20, 2007 3:53 AM   
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I had no idea Ann Coulter was so holy. So she must still be a virgin because she's never been married, right?

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WHAT IS WRONG WITH RELIGIOUS REVIVAL?
Posted by: rileycase on Apr 20, 2007 4:28 AM   
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Adele Stan shows little sensitivity to the ways of evangelicals. The Wesleyan revival in England saved England from a French-type bloody revolution. The First Great Awakening reclaimed the moral life of New England. The Second Great Awakening on the frontier basically laid the moral groundwork for the moral reforms we take for granted today. Some say, worldwide, we are in the midst of revival today, in China, in Africa, in South America. The alternative is Stalin or Hitler or the Pot Pol. Or the cynicism of the modern university.

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Remember Diderot
Posted by: reval on Apr 20, 2007 4:43 AM   
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Man will not be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

To this list admonition we might also add the entrails of present-day evangelists.

Rev. El Mundo
Pastor, WVCSR

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» RE: emember Diderot Posted by: Lincoln fan
Jesus was NEVER a Christian
Posted by: wawa on Apr 20, 2007 5:37 AM   
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Jesus was born, lived and died under OCCUPATION.

Everything he said was political-and he never said a word about gays and lesbians, but he said plenty about hypocrites and teachers of the law.

The term Christian was NOT coined until 3 decades after JC walked the earth.

JC was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up/intifada and challenged the job security of the Temple priests by teaching the people they did NOT have to pay for ritual baths and sacrificing livestock to be OK with God, for God loved them as they were: outcast, diseased, widows, orphans, refugees, prisoners ALL living under occupation.

What got JC crucified was disturbing the status quo of the occupying forces by teaching that Cesare only had power because God allowed it.



100 years BEFORE JC walked the earth Rabbi Hillel understood that Hokema; Holy Wisdom: The Feminine Divinity

Was the same as the Greek understanding of The Logos: The Word.


It was Saints Paul and John who first understood

The Word was good and

The Word was The Logos

The Word is The Christ

It was John on Rubber Soul who intuitively knew:

"The Word is just The Way and The Word is Love"

Use your imagination,

and you will see that before Christ walked the earth a man,

He was already a She:

Hokema, Holy Wisdom; the Feminine Divinity

Isn't that good news?


The God Head is One Pure Being;

as much male as female

as much mommy as daddy.

And we are all children of Her Universe;

And *He is the oldest personality because He is the origin of everything;

and everything is born of Him.

He is the supreme controller of the universe,

the maintainer and instructor of humanity.

He is smaller than the smallest.[*Bhagavad-Gita]


He indwells the heart of every atom and

She is beyond the Universe.



Wisdom has built her house and She calls to all; "Come, eat my food and drink my wine and you will live abundant life and walk in the ways of understanding." [*Proverbs 9: 4-6]


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http://www.wearewideawake.org

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clones, polygamy and neo-pagans
Posted by: Yundah on Apr 20, 2007 5:41 AM   
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" There would be clone farms and polygamy, all part of "a neo-paganist triumph."
I suppose it is too much for me to expect the world to make sense, and I have been exposed to a lot of fundamentalist rhetoric, but as a practicing "neo-pagan" (for 30 years) I've yet to see cloning and/or polygamy as major social or spiritual goals.
The polemic from this convention is frightening. I'm teaching a course on the effects of religion on social order and disorder and I will be using this article, paired with a recent article about the religious right beginning to back environmental efforts against glabal warming. The convention's call for revival is startling example of how a call for imposition of order is a presaging of disorder.
It seems that just when I think I can begin to accomodate the positions of conservative religionists, I get hit with extremist diatribe that overshadows tolerance. I don't know how to deal with this. How can my tolerance and desire to understand others' religions and or spirituality survive an opposing intolerance of my spirituality. I begin to personally understand Ghandi's dilemna of peaceful opposition. How can it work when the other side throws stones, and aims when doing it?

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Time to reclaim spirituality and religion from the religious right
Posted by: drmimi94954 on Apr 20, 2007 6:00 AM   
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Sadly, it is the religious right that continuous to take control of the dialogue on spirituality and religion.

There are many of us social justice and peace loving types (including Christians, Muslims, Jews, Unitarian- Universalists, Quackers, Buddhists, Bahais, Pagans and many more not mentioned) who need to rise up and shift the dialogue back.

Many of us simply react to the "crazies" on the right. I think it is time to be proactive. I am a Buddhist who has practiced for 19 years as a SGI-USA member (a org at times maligned but the most racially diverse Buddhist organization in the US- also raised as a Unitarian-Universalist). For me, the challenge is learning how to shift the paradigm to create avenues of dialogue. Some of it means showing up and doing things in the community. Other times it means sharing interfaith dialogue with others in my community. But all of the times it means taking an "engaged" approach to my faith.

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So many sheep, so little time to fleece them all
Posted by: Moonray on Apr 20, 2007 6:42 AM   
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I can't decide whether to become a "minister" or a defense contractor.

I'll do both -- launch a private chaplain service, hire homeless people, dress them up in white collars, send them to Iraq and charge the Pentagon a million dollars for every prayer! Is this a great country or what?

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Can't we just ignore these lunatics?
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 20, 2007 6:46 AM   
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Can't we just ignore these lunatics?

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Exactly why I wash my hands from Christianity...
Posted by: acidicjazzhead on Apr 20, 2007 6:47 AM   
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and all religion. Nothing will convince me that the majority of the religious right and their agenda is not a front for white supremacy and European nationalism. Western Christianity especially has deep roots in these things.

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Whose fault is it that the debbil knows more scripture?
Posted by: Dark Matter on Apr 20, 2007 7:42 AM   
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From the article
"Demons in the holes of hell know more
scripture" than many Christians,
said Brian Fisher, executive vice president
of Coral Ridge Ministries.

If Mr. and Mrs. Christian both have to work
60, 70 hour weeks at jobs with crappy health
insurance to pay off that ARM they were conned
into getting, then yeah, I suppose ol' Scratch's
boys and girls have more free time to brush
up on their scripture.

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Reclaim??
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Apr 20, 2007 7:59 AM   
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This country was never a "Christian" nation in the manner these nuts are proposing.
If what they are espousing is Christianity, then I want none of it. I am extremely leery of any of the mass movements proposed by rich preachers and politicians. They are looking for sheep to endorse their greed.
No to all of them.

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» Precisely Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
They are NOT "Christians"!
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 20, 2007 11:08 AM   
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They follow a twisted version of Jesus's teaching that are cobbled together with selected - usually cruel - bits of the Old Testament and some stuff from the "Left Behind" book series. They "interpret" things in a sick and sad way, as where in Matthew after he gives the famous "turn the other cheek" line, Jesus says "If a man takes your robe, give him your coat too", the Dominionist interpretation runs thus: What Jesus is REALLY saying is to BRIBE the man! Then, when you gain power, you can "do as you will with him". Revenge, in other words. They also advocate lying and doing whatever's necessary to gain that power. The advice is to "use the Freedom of speech and freedom of religion to claim that..." their own "...freedom of religion is being violated by people not allowing government to allow Christians to legislate their own religion..." and so on. Then, when they have power, they can "...use it to deny everyone else their freedom of religion and force them into the True Church - or kill them."

According to a law Bush passed, attempting to take over the US government is a crime. Hopefully when we get enough SANE people, mostly Democrats, in office, we can use that law before we get rid of it.

Meanwhile - these people are insane and VERY, VERY DANGEROUS!

Ian

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Literacy
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Apr 20, 2007 11:26 AM   
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"Demons in the holes of hell know more scripture" than many Christians, said Brian Fisher, executive vice president of Coral Ridge Ministries."

This gets right to the point, doesn't it. The Barna Group, which is a Christian polling agency, has proven a very important point about these people. People who call themselves Christians don't know even the basics about the religion they claim to adhere to. This proves that they're not really 'Christians', but rather church-goers. There is a difference. Church-goers listen to others. They get their messages of exclusion and hatred from the people who they think are 'in charge'. The majority of Christians can't name more than one gospel, can't successfully determine what actually happened at the Resurrection, can't name more than 3 of the Apostles, don't know the first or last book of the Bible, etc. In other words, they don't know jack about their law book. Not jack.

Those of us who have indeed read the Bible, ney - STUDIED the damn thing know it is riddled with inconsistencies, lies, half-truths, contradictions galore, pseudo-science, ridiculous laws, imaginary creatures and places, and false histories of entire cultures. It's pure fantasy. We don't get our moral code from it and those who profess to be Christians certainly can't tell you what's in it.

This brings me to my point. This conference is further proof that they were just mentally masturbating each other. I hope they all had a religious experience when they were done.

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America can only be reclaimed by the establishment of...
Posted by: kenhymes on Apr 20, 2007 12:10 PM   
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America can only be reclaimed by the establishment of white-coated committees of scientists who can determine the validity of all truth claims, and screen people's brains for belief in invisible things. We must purify the nation by any means necessary, even if it means ignoring the opinions and experiences of 90% of the human species. BAN RELIGION, it causes ALL OUR PROBLEMS!! Treat the mentally ill believers with anti-faith pharmaceuticals (heck, bound to work as well as the anti-depressants seem to)! Shred the Constitution (our way, not their way, I mean). Maybe we can establish camps of the deluded in remote areas, sterilize them, and wait for them to die out. The we can turn our attention to all those problems they caused, like industrial pollution, military dominance of the economy, the endless power grab of the rich, disabilities, rainy days, boring college classes, movies with lame endings, Britney Spears.

Seriously: you overstate the importance of these people; you use their own claims of numbers and influence; you are disconnected from your communities because you can't stand to talk to anyone who believes in God; you think that theology is more important then THEY DO; you watch as the poor are driven into the ground all over the world; you put nothing of any real personal value on the line (with some noble exceptions); and you freaking wonder why the country is locked in a stalemate?

THEOCRACY IS NOT COMING TO THE UNITED STATES! It is precisely your ignorance of religious people that allows the right-wingers to use religion as a political tool, hobbling the left, and resulting in bad decisions like the one coming out of the Supreme Court the other day, and doing nothing of any substance to support gay teenagers or single pregnant women.

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There is a God and He hates these people
Posted by: kackermann on Apr 20, 2007 1:05 PM   
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How many times has some religious leader or another proclaimed the end of the world is at hand? This has been going on since the start of religion. They are something like 0 for 500,000 in that department.
You would think at least ONE of them would be plugged in as they claim, but no. Their failure rate is so extraordinary that, taken by itself, is a strong indication that there is a God and that He is working overtime to prove these fear-mongering cocksuckers wrong.

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Christian preachers are racists who hate our children
Posted by: mantra77 on Apr 20, 2007 1:05 PM   
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Christian preachers are in the forefront supporting amnesty. They do this because they want more millions to come here so there can be:

More affirmative action discrimination in education;
More “no whites allowed” race based private scholarships;
More race quotas in private hiring;
More race norming employment tests;
More separate pool executive hiring;
More minority layoff protection;
More sensitivity training;
More minority promotion networks;
More “no whites allowed” contract set-asides;
More minority only tax breaks

More racist discrimination slammed onto the backs of our children for being white and only for being white.

If this isn't blind raw hatred, what is? No wonder they keep getting caught sodomizing children.

Why are they so keen on harming our children?

ALL christian preachers agree that whites - and only whites - have no right to assert group interests. Yet ALL christian preachers agree that non-whites - and only non-whites - have every right to lobby their group interests.

According to the dictionary, racism is prejudice or discrimination based on race.

ALL christian preachers are therefore demonstrably and undeniably racists.

That's why they are so desperate to insure we become a minority and the racist burdens imposed by the minority extortion coalition become crushing.

Christian preachers are whitehaters.

And they wonder why pews are emptying. They actually expect us to worship in a racist church that hates us. They really do.

Today's preachers are the whore of babylon. It has all been forseen.
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All anti-white racists agree that it's ok for whites to become minorities in their own countries. All anti-white racists also agree that a Japanese person who wants to become a minority in his own country is either a traitor or clinically insane. Therefore, what is an anti-white racist?
Answer: http://mantra7777.blogspot.com

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Great comment
Posted by: kackermann on Apr 20, 2007 1:08 PM   
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I think the media themselves like to sew the seeds of divisivness.

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jareilly
Posted by: jareilly on Apr 20, 2007 1:16 PM   
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Still, these people have their uses...After all, they are an abundant source of protein. They could be fed to endangered predators, like the polar bear...

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RedBrownBlue party comment
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 20, 2007 1:19 PM   
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Religion: you can't live with it and you can't live without it. Become atheistic and you get the Religion of Modernity. I'll pick on Jesus because I was raised with him. Jesus is a fable, a fiction, a story made up out of human needs. True, Christianity has an original seed of truth with the Teacher of Righteousness in 150 BC but from there on it's a human creation out of all kinds of needs, including political ones. When are educated liberals going to get past the Tooth Fairy and Santa stage? Jesus is a front for sincere religionists and for shysters. Jesus is a made up Greek name to come out to 888 in an alphabet-number system. Jesus is a symbol. I do what everyone else does with a symbol: use it to my advantage. I interpret Jesus as feminine. I call her She'sus, Holy Wisdom, Feminine Divinity, as a poster opined. Religions develop like everything else, or they die. Fundamentalists are stuck at a primitive level. What is needed is education to lift consciousness so that religion is not wedded to wealth, greed, power and sex. I focus on Jesus because I was raised with her. Had I been raised Muslim or Hindu, I'd talk about Allah or Krishna. Actually, I know something about the Vedas which have at their core the love relationship between Radha and Krishna. Because of patriarchy, Krishna gets top billing but that is not the core. At the core is always a womam consciousness. Radha is on top. Read WAWA's post above for the feminine truth. "He was already a She." Hear. Hear.

Liberals are the vanguard of liberal education. I'd like to see them use their skills at biblical exegesis. The core of religion is wonderful. RBB supports The Lover Government which builds its structure around a womam and earth consciousness. Do I hear an Amen?

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A REAL Christian Revival would lead to pacifism and the end of the military-industrial complex wars
Posted by: xbj on Apr 20, 2007 1:30 PM   
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A real Christian Revival would lead to pacifism as Jesus lived, taught, and died. Love your enemy. Bless those that curse you. Thou shalt not kill. Real Christians are to follow His life and death example IN ALL THINGS.

Unfortunately, we haven't seen many of those yet. Instead, what we see is militant highly politicized Christianism-Zionism, kneejerk supporting a Nazi regime (Israel) bent on absolute genocide of the non-Jewish people in and around it, and a Nazi Regime (the US GOP) genocide of all Islamic people if they choose to fight back against the US invaders who have no right in the Mideast in the first place and become "terrorist" "evildoers".

This is Karl Rove's Christianism, and its brainwashed adherents, Christianists. Born of Lucifer and its Pope, the little antiChrist George Bush.

It was these God was speaking of when he said "Depart from me; I NEVER KNEW YE."

Getting spewed out of His mouth is TOO GOOD a fate for the likes of these.

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Christian Zionism is a synthetic slave religion
Posted by: mantra77 on Apr 20, 2007 2:40 PM   
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Christian Zionism is ENTIRELY based on a forgery, The Scofield Reference Bible. This heretical text has been the best selling bible in America for decades.

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World Zionist leaders initiated a program to change America and its religious orientation. One of the tools used to accomplish this goal was an obscure and malleable Civil War veteran named Cyrus I. Schofield. A much larger tool was a venerable, world respected European book publisher--The Oxford University Press.

The scheme was to alter the Christian view of Zionism by creating and promoting a pro-Zionist subculture within Christianity. Scofield's role was to re-write the King James Version of the Bible by inserting Zionist-friendly notes in the margins, between verses and chapters, and on the bottoms of the pages. The Oxford University Press used Scofield, a pastor by then, as the Editor, probably because it needed such as man for a front. The revised bible was called the Scofield Reference Bible, and with limitless advertising and promotion, it became a best-selling "bible" in America and has remained so for 90 years.

The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation, subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new worship icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet exist, but which was already on the drawing boards of the committed, well-funded authors of World Zionism.

Source: We Hold These Truths Ministry

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Bob's Riddle

All anti-white racists agree that it's ok for whites to become minorities in their own countries. All anti-white racists also agree that a Japanese person who wants to become a minority in his own country is either a traitor or clinically insane. Therefore, what is an anti-white racist? Answer

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Is there a God?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Apr 20, 2007 5:42 PM   
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Belief in a god must start with definition of the god.

Yet, has anyone defined any god with certitude?

No.

So why do we seek something which may or may not, in fact, be?

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LIBERAL CHRISTIANS: WHERE ARE YOU?
Posted by: poppop_schell on Apr 20, 2007 7:05 PM   
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Many of the comments on the hyprocisy of much of the religious right represented by the mass teleevangelists are right on target.
BUT... I wonder what liberals who beleive in Jesus Christ feel should be part of any American revival or should we NOT have one? Where are you? I hear a lot of athiests speaking here against Jesus Christ in very mean spirited maneers and ANY religion in the meanest of terms similar to how Don Imus spoke of the women's basketball team at Rutgers. There seems to be a tremendous amount of nihilism and bitterness?

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The Fairness Doctrine
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Apr 20, 2007 7:13 PM   
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"It would literally say," warned Wright, "that a Christian programmer, broadcaster, would have to give up half of their time away to opposing viewpoints...."

Just like they want science teachers to give up a significant amount of their time to "opposing viewpoints". Sauce for the goose, etc.

It's no accident that the FD fell during the very epoch when the Moral Majority (hint: it was neither) was at its zenith in the last days of the Reagan Administration. The repeal was then seen as vital to the institution of a theocracy, but it's been a tried and failed experiment, and has led to much preaching to the choir and thus to a fair amount of the divisiveness seen since.

What I've yet to understand is why those who are always going on about "the liberal media" aren't in favor of the FD, since it would relieve them of their persecution (complexes).

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Hatred serves no one...
Posted by: BeeGee on Apr 21, 2007 8:53 AM   
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The prophet Jesus taught love -- for one's god, neighbor and self. I left the church at 15 because I saw no love aaround me, just hatred of others -- even church-goers of other "Christian" faiths. Jesus' basic teachings included the Golden rule -- love thy neighbor as thyself -- and a warning against judgement of others --"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

While there are groups called Christian that teach these tenets, there are other groups outside that label that teach the same thing.

The "Christian evangelists" who are the subject of this article are evangelists of something but it has little to do with Jesus' teachings of simplicity, love, and non-judgement.

And, at the risk of being judgmental, I must say that any group that fights tooth and nail (as these people do) against such "evils" as the ACLU, BORDC, and other organizations working for equality under the law and support for the U.S. Bill of Rights, is acting against core American values and definitely needs to be watched closely.

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Fragile Democracy
Posted by: shangrilalad on Apr 22, 2007 4:46 AM   
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“One of the things this administration has shown us is how fragile democracy is. All of the institutions we thought would protect us -- particularly the press, but also the military, the bureaucracy, the Congress -- they have failed. The courts . . . the jury's not in yet on the courts. So all the things that we expect would normally carry us through didn't. The biggest failure, I would argue, is the press, because that's the most glaring.”
Seymour Hersh.

Let’s not forget the failure of the American people to take responsibility for our abysmal record of bad choices. Not accepting our responsibilities as citizens and not voting is a bad choice. Apathy and indifference to politics has resulted in minority rule that cares nothing about the good of all. “We the people,” or the minority who even bother to vote determine the fate of the entire nation. You can blame it on a national Attention Deficit Disorder, laziness or disillusionment with a corrupt and dysfunctional political system which is clearly not a Democracy, or just plain stupidity.

No one is going to protect us from crooks and religious tyrants. Who do you trust to make decisions that effect you, your family and country? Don’t vote. Trust Me, the guy next door, or dirty tricks politicians . . . but you may not like our decisions.

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Closets
Posted by: Closets on Apr 22, 2007 10:03 AM   
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With any luck evangelist will begin to loose touch with it's flock the same way the vatican in Rome has with it's congregations in Europe and North America. This happens when an institution refuses to adapt to changing social norms. closets

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IT'S AS PLAIN AS THE NOSE ON YOUR SUPERSTITIOUS FACE
Posted by: LMNOP on Apr 22, 2007 12:57 PM   
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What do we have to say to the world when we get divorced as often as the world does?"

Oh, I dunno, how about:

That nobody's answering your prayers?

That practicing Christianity doesn't make life better and its teachings don't work?

That maybe Jesus was just a man who died like all others before him and since, and that "knowing" him is the same as not knowing him?

That Christians have no access to any special heavenly powers, and that there is no "victory" in being one.

That what you teach isn't wisdom, and that it has the same effect on peoples lives as having no religion has?

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Actually, this is the only evidence that you'll ever get that any belief system is a false: you put its claims to the test, and it fails the test. If Christianity had any beneficial effect on its believers, you could show that Christians were better off in some significant way by comparing believers and "pagans" and showing the improvement.

Now, everything I've just concluded above is only valid for those that respect reason and evidence even when it is contradicted by faith or dogma. Reason demands that if you can detect no differences between believers and non-believers, there was no effect of believing.

For people of faith, and in the face of such evidence, it remains true that Jesus saves and prayer works; that Christian marriages are sanctified and blessed by the power of the universe's only God; and that Christians alone have victory over something bad through the strength of Jesus! Fortunately, they don't require that those words mean anything, so they can never be disproved.

What do we have to say to the world when we get divorced as often as the world does?"

You just said it.

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Christian Right Leaders: America Can Only Be 'Reclaimed' by Religious Revival
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 22, 2007 5:43 PM   
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Same as Iran in 1979.

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Resistance
Posted by: doctorsquared on Apr 22, 2007 8:04 PM   
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If I were offered the choice of accepting Jesus or death at the barrel of a gun, I would choose death. To all militant dominionists: I will never acknowledge a god in which there is no reason to believe.

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signpost:
Posted by: tom cady on Apr 27, 2007 10:55 PM   
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it looked so easy, our heritage beckoned
the nation was, after all, christian
and so they began their crusade marching toward theocracy
and as they plodded the children wailed “are we there yet?”
and god whispered back “you're going the wrong way”

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