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Rights and Liberties

Torture Is Now Part of the American Soul

By George Monbiot, The Guardian. Posted December 18, 2006.


You might have imagined that every possible means of inflicting pain had already been devised. But never underestimate the human capacity for invention. United States interrogators have found a new way of destroying a human being.
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After thousands of years of practice, you might have imagined that every possible means of inflicting pain had already been devised. But you should never underestimate the human capacity for invention. United States interrogators, we now discover, have found a new way of destroying a human being.

In early December, defense lawyers acting for Jose Padilla, a US citizen detained as an "enemy combatant," released a video showing a mission fraught with deadly risk -- taking him to the prison dentist. A group of masked guards in riot gear shackled his legs and hands, blindfolded him with black-out goggles and shut off his hearing with headphones, then marched him down the prison corridor.

Is Padilla really that dangerous? Far from it: his warders describe him as so docile and inactive that he could be mistaken for "a piece of furniture." The purpose of these measures appeared to be to sustain the regime under which he had lived for over three years: total sensory deprivation. He had been kept in a blacked-out cell, unable to see or hear anything beyond it. Most importantly, he had no human contact, except for being bounced off the walls from time to time by his interrogators. As a result, he appears to have lost his mind. I don't mean this metaphorically. I mean that his mind is no longer there.

The forensic psychiatrist who examined him says that he "does not appreciate the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him, is unable to render assistance to counsel, and has impairments in reasoning as the result of a mental illness, i.e., post-traumatic stress disorder, complicated by the neuropsychiatric effects of prolonged isolation." Jose Padilla appears to have been lobotomised: not medically, but socially.

If this was an attempt to extract information, it was ineffective: the authorities held him without charge for three and half years. Then, threatened by a supreme court ruling, they suddenly dropped their claims that he was trying to detonate a dirty bomb. They have now charged him with some vague and lesser offences to do with support for terrorism.

He is unlikely to be the only person subjected to this regime. Another "enemy combatant," Ali al-Marri, claims to have been subject to the same total isolation and sensory deprivation, in the same naval prison in South Carolina. God knows what is being done to people who have disappeared into the CIA's foreign oubliettes.

That the US tortures, routinely and systematically, while prosecuting its "war on terror" can no longer be seriously disputed. The Detainee Abuse and Accountability Project (DAA), a coalition of academics and human rights groups, has documented the abuse or killing of 460 inmates of US military prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay. This, it says, is necessarily a conservative figure: many cases will remain unrecorded. The prisoners were beaten, raped, forced to abuse themselves, forced to maintain "stress positions," and subjected to prolonged sleep deprivation and mock executions.

The New York Times reports that prisoners held by the US military at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan were made to stand for up to 13 days with their hands chained to the ceiling, naked, hooded and unable to sleep. The Washington Post alleges that prisoners at the same airbase were "commonly blindfolded and thrown into walls, bound in painful positions, subjected to loud noises and deprived of sleep" while kept, like Jose Padilla and the arrivals at Guantanamo Bay, "in black hoods or spray-painted goggles."

Alfred McCoy, professor of History at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, argues that the photographs released from the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq reflect standard CIA torture techniques: "stress positions, sensory deprivation, and sexual humiliation." The famous picture of the hooded man standing on a box, with wires attached to his fingers, shows two of these techniques being used at once. Unable to see, he has no idea how much time has passed or what might be coming next. He stands in a classic stress position -- maintained for several hours, it causes excruciating pain. He appears to have been told that if he drops his arms he will be electrocuted. What went wrong at Abu Ghraib is that someone took photos. Everything else was done by the book.


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George Monbiot is the author of 'Poisoned Arrows' and 'No Man's Land' (Green Books). Read more of his writings at Monbiot.com. This article originally appeared in the Guardian.

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Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 18, 2006 12:27 AM   
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Dick Cheney/George Bush are the most gruesome twosome in the history of the human race. IMPEACH THESE GRUESOME IMMORAL FREAKS BEFORE THEY COMPLETELY DESTROY ALL DECENCY IN THE USA AND LEAVE US WITH NO RESPECT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

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Have Max Prisoners Challenged Methods of Punishment?
Posted by: edith on Dec 18, 2006 12:51 AM   
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Under what law was Padilla and his fellow detainees(for life apparently) isolated and driven mad? That to me seems to be the impeachable kind of offense manyhere refer to. Because however it's alleged terrorists, Congress won't do anything about habeus or the method of punishment.

I thought McCain and some others had put a limit on torture of these "terrror" defendants. Is that true? Information respectfully requested.

As for Pelican Bay, etc., those prisoners should have had trials and punishments under US criminal law. These are the max prisons, reserved for the most violent. I'm not defending the effectiveness of isolation there, but I would think that because those prisoners(drug lords, gangbangers, neo-fascist Aryan Nations, Mob) are prisoners after actual trials and sentences, that they would carry "rights" into the max with them. Have they exercised their right, which the terrorists, so called, may not have, to appeal methods used against them? Have US courts sanctioned 24 hr 7 day a week isolation at the max Fed prisoners who have had a full trial and appeals?

Perhaps Monbiot has treated two separate classes of prisoners the same: one has no rights for judicial redress, the other does.

I can see where keeping major gang chiefs in isolation might be justified, but the government would have to present some evidence the prisoner was trying to run his gang or have people killed from prison.

We should not be naive; these things happen.

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God Bless America
Posted by: marxalot on Dec 18, 2006 3:31 AM   
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Before it's too late.

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Are we a nation of sociopaths?
Posted by: shangrilalad on Dec 18, 2006 4:28 AM   
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The fact that evil men have seized control of our government by illegal means and have condoned torture and genocide is frightening enough, but when you consider the astonishing lack of outrage by the American people, you begin to grasp the power of terrorism. We are ruled by homegrown terrorists, and we are terrified.

Either that, or we have been conditioned to be a nation of sociopaths.

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Painful
Posted by: feduphoosier on Dec 18, 2006 4:53 AM   
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This makes me very sad... and very embarrassed. Are we the new Nazis? Is there no way to stop this sick behavior, and what does it say about us as a people? Notable quote:

If we were to judge the United States by its penal policies, we would perceive a strange beast: a Christian society that believes in neither forgiveness nor redemption.

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When will we put on trial these guards.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 18, 2006 5:24 AM   
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The people doing this are sick sadist. They need to be held for trial at the International Criminal Court.

Our society has no place for such sick degenerate people as these guards and wardens.

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» Why the guards? Posted by: HeroesAll
Christian-Zionist Nazis
Posted by: mat38 on Dec 18, 2006 5:47 AM   
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This article is about what your country represents. Your government is run by fascist who will kill YOU if they want to and trust me, if you get in their way they will kill you.
Ane don't be fooled by the Democrats, we'll see just how many addtional troops go to Iraq in the buildup to try go to war with Iran. The Zionist can't survive in Israel without ongoing war. That's what has been happening in Palestine and now Iraq and Afghanistan. The Christiian crazies want Armageddon and you sit around and let them have it. Shame on all of you Americans for not rioting in the streets in protest.
You all pretend to be liberal but whan it comes to Zionist Israel and Aipac destroying the democracy you say you love - what? I hear nothing.
Torture? It's only the beginning my friends.

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Locoadele
Posted by: locoadele on Dec 18, 2006 5:56 AM   
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The treatment of those unfortunate persons who become part of President Bush’s "Extraordinary Rendition" operation would be considered "cruel and unusual punishment" and outlawed by our Constitution if such treatment were part of a sentence for an individual who had gone through our justice system and been convicted of a crime.
Instead it is meted out to people snatched away from their lives and spirited to other countries because there is a whiff of suspicion that they might possibly be connected in some way with a supposed terrorist. This is done without any sort of charges, access to legal counsel, or notification to their families that they have been taken.
In the effort to keep our democracy safe from attack by others we are destroying it ourselves.

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The root of most evil...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Dec 18, 2006 6:09 AM   
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The article states: If we were to judge the United States by its penal policies, we would perceive a strange beast: a Christian society that believes in neither forgiveness nor redemption.

It is not really that strange. This is just more evidence for the most hypocritical evil force known to man...Religion.

Those of you who partake in such mythology and superstitious behavior are complicit in the debauchery taking place in our government today.

Or maybe you can talk to your Invisible Friend and see if he has time to intervene on the behalf of the tortured.

I believe the fork is almost ready to be inserted into this once proud country.

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Hollywood's dark agenda
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 18, 2006 7:12 AM   
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is promoting the gov't police state by showing how torture and strong-arm police tactics "work" to fight both terrorism and regular street crime. Think of all the psychological operations that Hollywood has made over the years to brainwash youth. From the 'Dirty Harry' type of cop who must 'go beyond the law to extact justice' to the modern tv shows like "24" which show the benefit of torture in fighting 'terrorism'. Hollywood also enjoyed to revel in cruelty and violence in their films also desensitising youth to violence. There is nothing new about depravity and violence the only difference is that you have strong forces and an entire industry build upon promoting them as virtues.

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Disgusting
Posted by: outlander55 on Dec 18, 2006 7:36 AM   
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SICK! SICK! SICK!

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Eew,.....IMPEACHMENT. How frightening!
Posted by: paschn on Dec 18, 2006 7:44 AM   
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Okay Drones. History lesson. There have been quite a few "leaders" impeached. By and of itself it's a slap on the wrist. Hell, some times they don't even forfeit there cushy retirement.
Now,... What you SHOULD be trumpeting for is seizure of ALL assets and turning them over to the WORLD COURT for prosecution and execution. This will have several far reaching implications to cowardly swine such as we have cursed ourselves and the world with;

It will show the world we truly ARE sorry for the evils wrought unto them because we as a "sheeple" could not or WOULD not reign in these swine and;

It will give the NEXT batch of greedy nefarious cowards something to THINK about as they watch the snivelling, screaming murderers being DRAGGED to the gallows to say goodby to their invention, (Hussein), before they TOO take that long drop into oblivion and judgement.

THEN NATIONALIZE energy and the MEDIA to ensure, (as the song so rightly put it decades ago ), "We don't get fooled again"!

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Not just Hollywood
Posted by: shangrilalad on Dec 18, 2006 7:55 AM   
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Our parents (victims themselves of brainwashing,) politicians, churches, schools, corporations, newspapers and mass media begin our indoctrination from the day we begin to learn English. We are deluged with propaganda and lies every day of our lives.

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Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 18, 2006 8:30 AM   
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I do not recognize the country I live in and am not very encouraged by the recent election results. With all that has gone on, the people who perpetrated and enabled this madness are still within inches of power. The path our country is on will lead to our undoing as a nation.

http://www.amnesty.org/

http://www.amnestyusa.org/index.html

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» RE: ?- Sad but true Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
Torture has always been a part of conquest of this and any land.
Posted by: symcokid on Dec 18, 2006 8:41 AM   
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The Indigenous People of this "Great Turtle Island" didn't just willingly cede their Ancestoral Homeland over to the European Invaders anymore than the Palestinians are voluntarily giving up their Real Estate to Israel. That would be ludicrous and incomprehensible, torture always comes into play and it's not an afterthought.

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Apparently we need our pound of flesh
Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Dec 18, 2006 8:54 AM   
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Why did a jury convict Zacharia Moussaoui and sentence him to life in solitary confinement at the supermax in Florence Co? Because he wanted to carry out an act of terrorism. He flunked out of his flight training and thought it was preparation to highjack a plane and fly it to some middle east location. He didn't even know about 9/11.

After 5 years of torment he blurted out hateful statements while on the stand, and a jury wanted to punish someone. Family members of people who died were paraded through to tell how much he had hurt them. But it wasn't him.

Now we're gonna try José Padilla, the guy who originally was going to set off a radioactive 'dirty bomb' - except neither he nor anyone else he knew had any such material, only the idea to do such a thing. Anyone could dream about dropping a bomb on the capitol, but that doesn't mean they can pull it off.

I imagine that he'll get to live out his golden years in a box. Some of us will feel better about this, and say he deserves it after 9/11.

We also know that quite a few of the persons captured in Afghanistan were fingered by people who simply didn't like them, or wanted their property, or the small reward offered by the US. Maybe they deserve years of harsh confinement - 9/11, you know. We gotta kick some ass somewhere. Iraq, Iran, too, maybe.

If the liar in chief starts badmouthing Iran, people here will be ready to go as soon as he says 'lets get 'em!'. Any excuse will do - we like them all.

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American Torture: A Science or a Craft?
Posted by: Salty_Dog on Dec 18, 2006 9:01 AM   
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Some commentators find Monbiot's prose inflammatory. I'd suggest that they walk a few steps in his shoes before they make that judgment. They might follow his lead to Alfred McCoy's book, "A Question of Torture".

McCoy documents an extensive history of research into the practice of torture, research promoted by the CIA. He argues that the scandals we've seen are consistent with the pattern of American research into sensory deprivation, self-inflicted pain, and other techniques. These techniques seem to bespeak a modernist interest in psychological science, perhaps making them palatable to the American policy establishment: witness all the discussion recently about whether we practice "torture" or just "aggressive interrogations". He describes a decades old wrangle in which American executives starting with Reagan have sought to modify interpretations of international torture law so as to allow for American practices. The same wrangle has recently emerged again between McCain and the administration, ending again with a agreement that torture, so long as it conforms to American researched practices, is either not a crime, or if it is a crime is not subject to prosecution in American courts.

Contrary to many anti-torture critics, McCoy notes that torture can work. The French made effective use of it when they sought to quell the insurrection in Algeirs. The problem, however, is that the information provided by torture is too unreliable when collected from a few individuals. An effective torture regime requires that information gleaned from an extensive program of torture, involving hundreds if not thousands of persons, is required to produce quantitities of information that can be cross-checked for consistencies. So, you must be willing to round up large numbers of people, without worrying much about guilt and innocence, torturing everyone in your haul with equal degrees of vigor, if you'd like to get some real usable results. Thus, the French crippled the insurrection by torturing a large portion of the male population of the Casbah. But they arguably lost the conflict because this program deligitimized their occupation, according to McCoy.

As Americans, we have to decide whether we can keep our soul while following the French practice in Algiers. McCoy challenges us, if we wish to take up the ugly torture tool, to make up our minds to do it effectively. We'll want to support research and training into torture, so that we may always be sharpening our skills; we'll need to consider applying torture to the frankly innocent mothers and children of our suspects--after all, that is at least as effective as torturing the suspects, and once we've jettisoned the notion of innocence, what's the bar? Well, you might well come away from McCoy's book with at least as much rage as Monbiot, even if you don't like being criticized by a Brit.

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God forgive us
Posted by: haleema on Dec 18, 2006 9:21 AM   
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Stay in prayer. Speak up. Tell them this is not what we are about !

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Global action against Guantánamo
Posted by: rwa on Dec 18, 2006 9:57 AM   
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16 December 2006 marks the start of a series of protests across the world with renewed calls on the US government to close Guantánamo.

In January 2002, the US authorities transferred the first "war on terror" detainees – hooded and shackled – to the US Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

Despite major international outcry and expert condemnation, hundreds of people of more than 30 nationalities continue to be held there: without charge, and with little hope of obtaining a fair trial. Though US authorities have repeatedly called the detainees "terrorists" and "killers", many have been released without charge.

US official investigators and detainees have reported torture and other ill-treatment, and the conditions of detention remain inhumane.

Enough is enough!

Guantánamo detainees must be released immediately unless they are to be charged and given a fair trial.

By either organizing your own event or supporting other activists worldwide in the run up to Guantánamo fifth anniversary, you can make a difference.

Join our month of activism! Find an event near you or contact your local AI office.

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Prison experience as a normal part of life by Ray Smith
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An interview with an inhabitant of the Balata Refugee Camp on the outskirts of Nablus

According to the International Red Cross (ICRC), approximately 8,500 inhabitants of the occupied Palestinian territories -- among them more than a hundred women and almost 500 children -- sit for "security reasons" in Israeli jails. ICRC found in a 1999 survey that almost half of all men below 40 years have been in Israeli prisons, many of them several times. Prison experience is no exception out here, it’s the norm. Many detainees are charged with throwing stones, intentions undermining the security of the Israeli state, armed resistance and other excuses made up by the Israeli regime. In the following interview, a recently released prisoner from Balata Refugee Camp in Nablus -- the largest camp in the occupied West Bank -- talks about his experiences and the difficulties that one faces during and after imprisonment.


Ray Smith: You've been in several Israeli prisons, Mohammad. What did you do before you were taken there?

Mohammad: I was supposed to have a good job in Ramallah at the Tourism Ministry. I have a certificate in tourism and hotel management from Jordan. The day I got arrested at Huwara checkpoint, I was supposed to go to Ramallah for the first day of work, but ended up in jail for 19 months.


Ray Smith: At this time, your family lived as well in Palestine, in Balata Refugee Camp. What did they do after you were arrested?

Mohammad: I was the only one who had a job and could earn money for the family. My brothers are small, so after I was arrested there was no one who could pay the rent for the home. Because of that they went back to Jordan, where we came from after Oslo...

Full interview(remove space):
http://electronic intifada.net/v2/article3607.shtml

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These Articles (and the comments) are just sophistry
Posted by: MarcGarvey on Dec 18, 2006 10:33 AM   
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Everyone tries to come up with a neater way to say the same things, pushing the infantile idea that these atrocities are new or have reached a new level.

No.

It's just that you guys are just now waking up. And there's nothing wrong with that, but do a little more waking up and get over yourselves. This stuff isn't new. Just new to you.

This goes for most commentors and certainly for the author.

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If only
Posted by: Rod from Canada on Dec 18, 2006 1:12 PM   
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those responsible for designing and/or carrying out these depraved activities would employ their brainpower (what there exists of it anyway) for positive, productive, and economically and socially useful purposes, such as finding more efficient solar or wind or tidal power generation methods, in our search for more sustainable lifestyles, just think how much better off this world would be.

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Michael Rivero:
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"In the rush to exploit the attacks on the World Trade Towers to destroy what is left of the Constitution, the media propagandists are trying to sell the people of the United States on the necessity of torture as a legitimate tool of law enforcement.

There are several reason why this latest atrocity must be stopped now.

No real American can tolerate or condone torture. It is forbidden by the Constitution, and only those who secretly wish for our nation to abandon its principles and Constitutional protections could ever support it.

Torture does not assist in the solving of crimes. Tortured people will say anything. Indeed it hardly need be pointed out that the millions of executions carried out by religious fanatics for the crime of witchcraft were primarily based on confessions extracted under torture.

Torture exists for one reason only, to terrorize a population that opposes a dictatorship.

What kind of a person would want such things to happen here in the United States, and why would you want to listen to them? Hitler supported state-sponsored torture. So did Stalin. Anyone who supports state-sponsored torture in the United States has to be the same class of human being. Why would a free people even give such monsters the time of day, let alone support the monsters and their wars-for-oil with their tax money or their children's lives?

Who are the terrorists? The media tells us it is Osama Bin Laden, but Osama bin Laden was trained and funded by the CIA. Osama's brother was George W. Bush's business partner in Texas.

The CIA is a terrorist organization. In 1985, authorized by William Casey, the CIA planted a car bomb near a mosque in Beirut to kill Sheik Mohammed Hossein Fadlallah, a muslim cleric. The bomb missed the Sheik but killed 80 people, including children. Now, if a car bomb that kills innocent people is a terrorist act, then the CIA is a terrorist organization. We can stop terrorism right here at home by disbanding the CIA."

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finally.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Dec 18, 2006 1:55 PM   
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We have outdone Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot. We have not succeeded them in scale, but we have in the depths to which one nation can sink and the scale of suffering that can be inflicted on a person without directly harming the body.

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Unfortunately, Nothing New
Posted by: fanny666 on Dec 18, 2006 2:17 PM   
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Declassified Documents show the theoretical basis of what we've seen in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo... the gist is to make the person feel like their pain is their own fault.

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» One more source Posted by: fanny666
torture doesn't work it has been proven
Posted by: Gregor on Dec 18, 2006 2:47 PM   
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The fact that during WWII, the Americans treated their German prisoners with respect, kindness, caring and got more information just by being nice and cozy with their prisoners is documented time and time again. Only sick regimes resort to massive amounts of torture.

To ask from prior posters regarding laws: We exited the laws of this country when we introduced the PATRIOTic ACT, which has nothing to do with Patriotism. There are no laws governing these prisons or snatching up innocent people without representation. America has been asleep at the switch. We will crumble from our own idea of destruction.

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Who cares?
Posted by: thehousedog on Dec 18, 2006 3:32 PM   
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That's right - who is really caring about this? What is being done? Glad to see so many suggestions here on this page. Now what action will be done to rectify this situation. America is known for imprisonment of it's own citizens (the Japanese Americans during WWII) and now for this. What a proud legacy we have. 40 years from now, what we will tell our grand children about this time in our history? Will we speak from a position of shame or false victory?

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American torture....
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Dec 18, 2006 3:54 PM   
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The only real torture these days is the constant whine of liberals that think that putting a cover over a person's head amounts to cruel and unusual torture. I wish you folks would develop a sense of self defense for yourselves and this nation before you start defending the rights of Islamo fascists that will stop at nothing to kill us all. I read that the biggest problem for those poor murdering terrorists at Gitmo is that they are all gaining too much weight and the injuries suffered by rough games of soccer and the occasional trip to the base dentist. Its just unconscionable that these poor terrorists are subjected to such cruelty......tsk...tsk... poor bastards!

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» RE: American torture.... Posted by: Salty_Dog
We could use stem cells for torture research!
Posted by: fanny666 on Dec 18, 2006 4:46 PM   
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