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Rights and Liberties

Meatpacking Laborers Victimized

By David Bacon, The American Prospect. Posted January 3, 2007.


Undocumented immigrants were recently arrested for securing jobs at meatpacking plants by using Social Security numbers that didn't belong to them. Their crime: paying for someone else's retirement.
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This article is reprinted from the American Prospect.

In 1947, Woody Guthrie wrote a song about the crash of a plane carrying Mexican immigrant farm workers back to the border. In haunting lyrics he describes how it caught fire as it flew low over Los Gatos Canyon, near Coalinga at the edge of California's San Joaquin Valley. Observers below saw people and belongings flung out of the aircraft before it hit the ground, falling like leaves, he wrote.

No record was kept of the workers' identities. They were simply listed as "deportee," and that became the name of the song. Far from being recognized as workers or even human beings, Guthrie lamented, the dead were treated as criminals. "They chase us like outlaws, like rustlers, like thieves."

Some things haven't changed much. When agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested over a thousand workers in six Swift and Company meatpacking plants last month, they too were called criminals. In Greeley, Colorado, agents dressed in SWAT uniforms even carried a hundred handcuffs with them into the plant.

The workers, they said, were identity thieves. Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokesperson, told reporters outside the slaughterhouse there that "we have been investigating a large identity theft scheme that has victimized many U.S. citizens and lawful residents." ICE head Julie Myers told other reporters in Washington, D.C. that "those who steal identities of U.S. citizens will not escape enforcement."

Not everyone fell into the ICE chorus.

In Grand Island, Nebraska, site of another Swift plant, police chief Steve Lamken refused to help agents drag workers from the slaughterhouse. "When this is all over, we're still here," he told the local paper, "and if I have a significant part of my population that's fearful and won't call us, then that's not good for our community." In Greeley, hundreds of people, accompanied by the local priest, lined the street as their family members were brought out, shouting that they'd been guilty of nothing more than hard work.

ICE rhetoric would have you believe these deportees had been planning to apply for credit cards and charge expensive stereos or trips to the spa. The reality is that these meatpacking laborers had done what millions of people in this country do every year. They gave a Social Security number to their employer that either didn't belong to them, or that didn't exist. And they did it for a simple reason: to get a job in one of the dirtiest, hardest, most dangerous workplaces in America. Mostly, these borrowed numbers probably belong to other immigrants who've managed to get green cards. But regardless of who they are, the real owners of the Social Security numbers will benefit, not suffer.

Swift paid thousands of extra dollars into their Social Security accounts. The undocumented immigrants using the numbers will never be able to collect a dime in retirement pay for all their years of work on the killing floor. If anyone was cheated here, they were. But when ICE agents are calling the victims criminals in order to make their immigration raid sound like an action on behalf of upright citizens.

ICE has not, of course, accused the immigrant workers of the real crime for which they were arrested. That's the crime of working.

Since passage of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, hiring an undocumented worker has been a violation of federal law. Don't expect Swift executives to go to jail, however, or even to pay a fine. The real targets of this law are workers themselves, who become violators the minute they take a job.

Arresting people for holding a job, however, sounds a little inconsistent with the traditional values of hard work supported so strongly by the Bush administration. It makes better PR to accuse workers of a crime that sends shivers down the spines of middle-class newspaper readers, already maxing out their credit cards in the holiday rush.

The real motivation for these immigration raids is more cynical. The Swift action follows months of ICE pressuring employers to fire workers whose Social Security numbers don't match the agency's database. These no-match actions have been concentrated in workplaces where immigrants are organizing unions or standing up for their rights.

At the Cintas laundry chain, over 400 workers were terminated in November alone, as a result of no-match letters. Cintas is the target of the national organizing drive by UNITE HERE, the hotel and garment workers union.

In November also, hundreds walked out of the huge Smithfield pork processing plant in Tarheel, North Carolina, after the company fired 60 workers for Social Security discrepancies. That non-union plant is not just the national organizing target for the United Food and Commercial Workers Union. Smithfield has also been found guilty repeatedly of firing its employees for union activity, and threatening to use their immigration status against them. When workers at Emeryville, California's Woodfin Suites tried to enforce the city's new living wage law, Measure C, they too were suddenly hit with a no-match check.


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Could the AlterNet ever present the other side of mass-immigration? Ever??
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jan 3, 2007 3:05 AM   
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There is one, you know, beyond the cheap shots which are all you have proven yourselves capable of so far.

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Woody Guthrie was hardly on the high moral ground here.
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jan 3, 2007 3:10 AM   
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I like Woody Guthrie, my point is, he had, what, 8 kids, and he wasn't that good a father or husband.

An clueless overbreeder is not in the best position to pontificate about dealing with problems resulting from overpopulation.

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Employer criminal penalties
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Jan 3, 2007 3:25 AM   
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"Don't expect Swift executives to go to jail, however, or even to pay a fine." Well, that's what I DO expect, partly because Alternet articles have piously been calling for it for months.

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» RE: mployer criminal penalties Posted by: JPHickey
So -- if we're the victim of identity theft by an illegal, just shut-up & feel lucky, right?
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jan 3, 2007 3:51 AM   
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And if an illegal (yes "illegal"!) steals my vehicle and smashes it up in a DUI, and then runs back to Mexico, I should be understanding, maybe even somehow thankful.

Twice Mexicans actually have run into me, and tried to slime out of taking responsibility it.

You don't realize how much you're alienating potential allies with your bleeding-heart border BS.

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Aren't we supposed to eat less meat, anyway?
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jan 3, 2007 4:00 AM   
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More of your open-border hypocrisy:

The fewer slaughterhouse workers, the less animal suffering, the less methane released, the less obesity, the less manure pond overflows, etc., etc.?

Or do you conveniently forget all that when the rights of endless streams of immigrants steal our IDs become your priority?

Get your story straight, dweebs!

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They are ILLEGAL!
Posted by: kevintaute on Jan 3, 2007 4:07 AM   
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How ever you frame the debate, one thing remains, these people entered the country ILLEGALLY, and remain in the country in violation of the law.

They are called ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS for a reason!

They were LEGALLY arrested, they will be LEGALLY deported. And bringing up a 60 year old folk song (which may or may *NOT* be true) isn't changing the fact that they are illegally in this country.

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» RE: They are ILLEGAL! Posted by: badkitty
» RE: They are ILLEGAL! Posted by: solacel
Not criminals? Says Who?
Posted by: djnoll on Jan 3, 2007 4:15 AM   
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I have read this article and it became apparent that the writer has done what we often lament about the right-wing media - take facts, adjust to suit an argument, and then pass it off as news. Here are a few facts from someone who lives in a state that deals with the real problem first hand:

1. Illegal immigrants enter our nation every day by the thousands with the help of criminal human smugglers. They pay thousands of dollars to do so, and take jobs that pay union scale at plants like Swift from American and legal immigrant workers who once held those jobs, but wanted better working conditions and better benefits.

2. Illegal immigrants may pay into Social Security, but because they cannot draw on it, they become a drain on other social services such as state health care and financial aid if they become disabled working in one of those plants. After all they cannot claim either workers comp or Social Security disability without reisk of deportation.

3. While they are working, we are paying for the education of their children, both legal and illegal; often paying for such things as food stamps; medical subsidies; and other social services which they cannot claim through their employer because of fear of discovery. After all, they may pay taxes, but they cannot file taxes or claim refunds that could offset these expenses legally without fear of deportation, because even if Social Security does not cross check a number, IRS does.

4. The employer, in this case Swift, will pay a fine, but not such a large fine (only $10,000 per person) that it will adversely affect profits. This should be changed to $100,000 per day of employment per person, then you will see less companies willing to hire illegal immigrants.

5. Identity theft is a major crime, so anyone who does it is a criminal. That is a fact, no matter what their reason. In a state that is considered the identity theft capital of America, many retirees have found their Social Security benefits cut off because these people have taken their SS numbers and earned more than the allowable earnings limit. Since the Social Security Administration does not know that it is a criminal using the number, they cut off benefits and Medicare, and it can take up to three years to get the mess straightened out.

So as you lament the problems of the "poor immigrant worker", maybe you should take a good look at who is actually being hurt here. Yes, they will contribute, but in relation to what they take from the system and from other people, they are still thieves by any other name. When you support the illegal immigrants cause you do not help them, but more importantly, unless you understand all the facts, you harm more people than you help!

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» RE: Not criminals? Says Who? Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Not criminals? Says Who? Posted by: stan the man
» RE: Not criminals? Says Who? Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Not criminals? Says Who? Posted by: stan the man
» RE: Not criminals? Says Who? Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Not criminals? Says Who? Posted by: johnjord
we just don't know
Posted by: edith on Jan 3, 2007 4:35 AM   
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whether these immigrant workers are "needed" or not until we have a fair labor market. Labor power must equal corporate power. Since WWII, the US has retreated from this principle included in the New Deal Wagner Act.

would unionized US born or legal immigrant workers take meatpacking jobs if non-union labor were not available. We don't know under the current repression of unions.

The illegals are used by corporations, but Congress and an inept AFL CIO have rolled over on union rights for so long that it is hard to forsee a day when only union labor may be used in our major industries.

Until that happy (if idealistic) day, we at least need to know who is in the US and if these persons have criminal records or not. Thus at a minimum it is not unreasonable to require tamper proof IDs for all employees, immigrant or not, subject to periodic check by tax and immigration authorities.

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» RE: we just don't know Posted by: johnjord
Their crime: paying for someone else's retirement
Posted by: pdq on Jan 3, 2007 6:30 AM   
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As usual, AlterNet breaks out their bleeding hearts for their cause. What makes you think that the ILLEGALS will pay taxes? The same person who sold them the stolen identities also told them how to fill out the tax forms so they are exempt. Great attempt to show the weakness of our employment needs. However, lackluster results once again.

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Illegals' identity theft
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Jan 3, 2007 6:36 AM   
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it DOES NOT pay "someone else's retirement"... it causes HUGE tax burdens for the REAL AMERICAN. not to mention ruining credit. of course, since these are AMERICAN citizens, what do you care? Illegals should be treated like the foreign invaders they are and given a bullet to the brain.

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Why do they come illegally?
Posted by: Annarisse on Jan 3, 2007 6:41 AM   
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Everyone talks about the problem of illegal workers, from one side or another. What I want to know is - why do they come illegally in such huge numbers? Is it because the U.S. won't let them in any other way? What's going on to create this problem in the first place? How can it be stopped without guns, dogs, and fences? If it were possible for poor people to immigrate to the U.S. legally, I'd have a lot less sympathy for the position of the illegal workers.

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» RE: BLACK CONGRESSMAN ARE THE WORST OFFENDERS Posted by: anonymous black writer
Why the Anger
Posted by: stan the man on Jan 3, 2007 7:15 AM   
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Those who condem AlterNet for being a bleeding heart for caring about the plight of the migrant, illegal or outlaw workers at the slaughterhouses fail to understand the role that the migrant workers perform in the "new" American economy. One must remember that these are people doing the jobs that no one else wants, especially the ones complaining the loudest. If they wait to enter the country legally, it is at least a two year backlog.

The only time they are subject to this kind of persecution is when there is a political ax to be ground. They are the pawns in our economic game otherwise you would see stiff penalties and fines for the employeers who hire them. If you remove all of the illegal immigrants from the economy today you would not find a piece of meat, a vegtable or fruit in the market. Your clothing costs would go up, your lodging and dining cost would skyrocket and then you would really complain. Of course, you would be the first to run off to Mexico for a "cheap" vacation.

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Let's all cool off a bit and think about the root cause...
Posted by: wonkywriter on Jan 3, 2007 7:40 AM   
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Wow! I can't believe the level of animosity and hate blatantly displayed in some of these posts. One proud American even advocated that "illegal immigrants" be shot in the head. I understand that the Texas Rangers used to do just that about a hundred years ago. Just one more thing we Americans have to be proud of.

Another poster asked that we take the time to think of what it is about America that draws people across the border by the millions. Clearly it's money. Money that's is often sent back home to support a family in need. Boy, that sounds like a pretty conservative value to me. James Dobson should be tickled to death.

Why aren't Americans taking those jobs? As another anti-immigrant poster said, "[Americans] have left these jobs for better benefits and pay" and, I would add, working conditions. Wages in this country have been suppressed to the point that spoiled Americans no longer want to do them, though they certainly want them done. Illegal immigrants are merely meeting a need created by "free market captialism"--another sacred cow to conservatives.

Yet, conseratives seem to be screaming the loudest about the "glut of aliens". They can't see that is their policies that have created the conditions necessary for the influx of workers across the border. Why are they blind to this fact? Because of racism. Yes, let's call a spade a spade here and not succumb to political correctness. Conservatives HATE politcal correctness when they sense it benefits liberals. But don't you dare use the 'r' word in reference to them.

My advice to conservatives is this: try to spend the same amount of time looking for the "illegal alien" on your inside as you do the one "out there".

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» Rangers Posted by: hbw
» LOW OPINION Posted by: YogiBear
johnjord
Posted by: johnjord on Jan 3, 2007 8:04 AM   
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I live in Houston, Texas and I see firsthand what the invasion is doing to my city of 4 million souls. Schools are being overrun with children who speak only spanish. Neighborhoods are transformed from quiet enclaves of low cost housing, occupied by the elderly and low income earners, into barrios of spanish speaking gangs. Graffiti, crime, low rider, or customized honda civic racers. Boom boxes playing loud mexican music, gangs of young men hanging out drinking till all hours of the night. I know you think I'm stereotyping. Nope. I am a municipal employee of the City of Houston. I am in these neighborhoods everyday. I see what has happened to the neighborhood I grew up in. I am in the schools, restaurants, houses, and streets of these areas. I see it every day. What really bugs me is that they have such a large population now that the billboards in these areas are in spanish. There are too many am and fm spanish channels to count, 4 or 5 television stations and more on cable. There are spanish music channels on cable. There are spanish newspapers, and spanish editions of the Houston Chronicle complete with spanish language ads and coupon sections. Schools have begun to have spanish only speaking classes. If I lived where I grew up and sent my children to the school I went to as a child they would have to take special english speaking classes and be considered the minority. I know that the population is shifting, but I also deal with these people in my line of work enough to know that most are ILLEGALS. The police won't arrest them because they don't have enough room for them unless they commit a violent or drug crimes. They don't have auto insurance, they can buy their documents at the flea market that's open everyday now. They enroll in every free program the schools offer, they get their health care at the county hospital for free. Even those who are documented do this because they know that the officials won't ask too many questions because of the number of them who use the system. They have business's, restaurants, furniture stores, legal assistance, grocery stores, you name it. They have everything they would have in Mexico and a job to pay for it. They don't care to learn english or become citizens of the US. They don't have to, they just carve out a new Mexico here in the middle of Texas or wherever they settle. They even tell me that Texas is really part of Mexico anyway. That anglos stole it away. They feel that way about all of the Southwest and even the Documented Mexicans feel this way. Because of the concentration of mexican population, these people have no fear! They run if they have traffic accidents, they won't wait on gringos in mexican restaurants or business's, they steal from the government with social programs. They put fences around their houses, get 2 o3 attack dogs, put up the mexican flag and ignore construction easements, codes, civc associations and every other law that is not convenient for them. When they do deal with the authority they insist on spanish even if they can speak english. I see this every day. If you ask them if they speal english they tell you they want to speak spansih and are indignant if there is not someone who can speak spanish to them. If no one can they will relunctantly speak english to deal with their problem. I can imagine what havoc they can cause in a small town with fewer resources and law enforcement. These companies like Swift and Mohawk carpets should be prosecuted to the fullest. They recruit these people who want a better life, bring them in to replace US workers who want a living wage. They give these people false IDs and create a permanent subclass of worker who can be deported if they complain. These people are low income and overload the schools, hospitals, social services of every kind. Move into and change the housing stock in the area and drive up crime. Send the executives to jail and send the ILLEGALS home!

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» RE: johnjord Posted by: sausage
» You are a idiot Posted by: Krain61
» RE: johnjord Posted by: johnjord
» RE: johnjord Posted by: johnjord
» RE: johnjord Posted by: pocomoco
too much hate
Posted by: lindalee on Jan 3, 2007 9:02 AM   
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The hate spewing from folks about this is scary. I almost can't believe what I'm reading. First of all, Smithfield is one of the big, evil corporations and was one of the three companies that was nominated as "grinch of the year" by Jobs for Justice. When I hire someone in my office they are required to show me different forms of identification. The goal is to make sure they are legal citizens. Then they fill out tax forms. What the hell is Smithfield doing? Do you all really think that they were unaware of this so-called identity theft? Smithfield wants cheap, non-union labor and they know the way to get it is through undocumented illegals. If companies made sure their workers were legal, raids wouldn't happen. But they did and now Smithfield looks blameless. I won't begin to guess at the answer to this problem, but one thing I'd like to see is accountability.

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» RE: too much hate Posted by: sausage
What about the tax liabilities?
Posted by: specom on Jan 3, 2007 9:32 AM   
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Another important point the liberals behind this article don't mention, is that many people, after having their identiities stolen by wets, find themselves on the hook for taxes on the income earned. Sure it's deducted from their pay, but since you're probably in a higher tax bracket than some wet working in a meatplant, you're screwed until you can clear it up, using up YOUR time and money. And don't think the IRS wouldnt just love for you to give up in frustration and just pay them.

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A lot of people would do these jobs...
Posted by: cmaciain on Jan 3, 2007 10:21 AM   
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For a lot of people stating that illegal immigrants take these jobs because Americans won't, they are dead wrong. The US meat packing industry is dangerous, nasty, and messy and plenty of people would do it because it used to pay well. When Reagan broke the unions and illegal immigration became the massive problem it is now, the meat packing companies destroyed their workers because they knew they could hire people for $6.00 an hour when it used to pay $12.00. I worked in a plant and trust me, there are plenty of people who did and would still work there except they were undercut and their unions busted while our government cheered. And why are people defending illegal immigration anyway? If they come here legally, great. If not, they get sent home. Period. That's it. I certainly don't see those supporting illegal immigration lining up to donate money to people who want to immigrate from the US to other countries. I know plenty of Americans looking to emigrate. Geuss what? Each one is doing it legally!

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greenguy
Posted by: ossie on Jan 3, 2007 10:23 AM   
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Did Swifft co.fill those jobs with Red blooded Americans?Of course not,Americans in general Won't do the jobs these people do.But they nit and pick their Petty crimes of a few,and enjoy the low inflation.

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» you're dead wrong greeny Posted by: poppop_schell
» How do you know that? Posted by: lessbread
» RE: How do you know that? Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: So you're just making stuff up... Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: greenguy Posted by: johnjord
Ok...so what happens if you enter Mexico illegally?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 3, 2007 10:33 AM   
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I live in rural Nebraska, and I am not going to go into all the things about what illegal immigration has done to this once-idyllic rural country (gangs, demands for ethnic favoritism, wages and jobs going to the bottom, etc.).

However, I would like to know what happens if you are caught in Mexico illegally? I am sure that you are not treated as nicely as these law breakers are by U.S. immigration authorities?

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» Another blowhard... Posted by: lessbread
We use to do those jobs
Posted by: fibrowitch on Jan 3, 2007 11:26 AM   
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Ever think about why those plants are there? The American's in that community use to do those jobs. As someone already noted, the plants looking to increase profits, decreased wages and benefits. Ans started hiring illegals.

I use to work for a company that sold groceries to independent grocery stores. We insisted on getting work permits, and we had a large number of family employees. Fathers brought in sons, daughters worked in the office. We paid well, even people who had not finished high school could afford to purchase a home, and send their children to college. The union was strong and we worked together as partners.

Then a company doing the same thing moved in 15 miles away. They had no union, and hired people who could not prove they were legal residents of the US (btw, I did hiring for my plant, they hired people I refused to)

I tried to get the feds to check the plant out, they had no safety program, no protections for their workers. They paid minimum wage and had a high rate of turn over. Employees who were injured on site were put on the bus and dropped off at the local hospital.

And they put us out of business in two years.

Companies like Swift should be punished, they should return to the days when jobs like this paid their employees enough to support themselves and a family.

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» RE: We use to do those jobs Posted by: poppop_schell
This is such bullshit
Posted by: debedb on Jan 3, 2007 12:39 PM   
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I am pro amnesty and recognize crypto xenophobia inherent
in much anti-immigrant rhetoric, but this is BS -that people
whose SSN are stolen would "benefit". Really? When SSN is used in who knows what way?

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Unrestrained Capitalism at it again...
Posted by: channing on Jan 3, 2007 12:42 PM   
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Many people posting here today see that it is NOT the JOB that Americans won't do, but the wage offered... Funny how "free market" is free when it comes to corporate profits, out-sourcing, and environmental regulation, but when it comes to unsustainable wages, all of a sudden "mr. big fragile corporate interest" can't cope, BS!

The American "corporation", so named to obscure the fact that it actually is "organized greed", has succeeded in beg, borrowing and stealing for itself the kind of liberty We the People were thought to have under the Constitution, and more. The root of the illegal-immigrant problem today is a direct consequence of unrestrained greed, allowed under corporate law. This must change if there is any hope of solving a host of national and global issues.

Penalize the officers and their corporations, kindly ship the illegals back over the border, and adjust the levels of "legal immigration" through legal means.

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» Look back and foreward Posted by: Krain61
The AttyGen Alberto Gonzalez owes his citizenship to illegals
Posted by: sarahk on Jan 3, 2007 1:56 PM   
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Alberto Gonzalez, our Attorney General appointed by Bush, must give thanks to his grandparents. They snuck across the border and started the breed. They lived here illegally and raised a big family. If you like Gonzalez, you should also be thankful to his illegal abula y abulo.

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For anyone familiar with S2611
Posted by: superscalar on Jan 3, 2007 2:22 PM   
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Swift paid thousands of extra dollars into their Social Security accounts. The undocumented immigrants using the numbers will never be able to collect a dime in retirement pay for all their years of work on the killing floor.

This is an intellectually dishonest argument, because as soon as Ted Kennedy's version of 'comprehensive immigration reform' is passed illegal immigrants will receive everything they paid into the Social Security system and more, and anybody who has followed the Senate plan closely knows this.

Ted Kennedy on Immigration

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Illegal immigration is just a symptom of the disease
Posted by: Kelly on Jan 3, 2007 2:22 PM   
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I had a boyfriend who did pork processing in 1995 and made $12 per hour. For an unskilled worker in the midwest, this was a small fortune. The job was dangerous (many missing fingers) and difficult, but it paid well. Now it actually pays much less than it did a decade ago. This point gets made over and over again, but no one listens. Downward wage pressure is also strangling the landscaping and nursery industries as well--as the jobs pay less and less, citizens cannot afford to support their families and abandon the jobs.

Now, for the inverse--paying living wages raises prices which can cost customers. For a small business, this can be lethal, hence the race to the bottom. Maybe it is time Americans faced the true cost of our consumption. If eating meat raised cruelty free and slaughtered by well-paid employees costs twice as much, so be it. We eat less of it and make up the difference with bean and barley soup. We'll be healthier and get an idea of the true cost of economic justice.

The jobs that we won't do are propping up our obscene levels of consumption. The hotel and restaurant industries are unneeded. Grow a garden. Learn to cook. Save eatiung out for a treat. Bicycle to work to smash the oil industry. The luxury of our lives is killing us and ruining our lives--all for a bunch of cheap, toxic plastic crap from China? We don't need the tide of trash that globalization provides. We do need self-sufficiency and family wage jobs. The corporatization of our culture is intertwined with both immigration and outsourcing, and both serve to line the pockets of the wealthy while trickling down to a place with skimpy social services that maintains an illusion of prosperity via debt.

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» Talk is cheap..Can you do? Posted by: Krain61
Guest workers{next to slaves}
Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 3, 2007 4:58 PM   
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They use your S.S. and someday down the road the Government will ask how did you work in Ohio and Nabraska at the same time..You owe us money and these fines and your going to jail because you did this and that..If we got rid of all people who are not legally here our wages would go up.That's why there is a push to get this guest worker program or give them a home here permently..Either or is what the rich want..There is a plus! If there permantly here with all rights they'll fight with us and not against us..That's why they want guest workers..Guest workers bid your wages down!

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» News for you: Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Upton Sinclair, your work is almost done!
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Jan 3, 2007 5:13 PM   
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"Unions and immigrants both need a bill that would mandate what they've advocated since 1999 -- the repeal of employer sanctions." And the employers want that too. Labor and management in agreement: it's a miracle!

From the tone of this piece, I realize the author doesn't want the Swift executives penalized -- he's more inclined to nominate them for a civil rights medal. It's amazing how these workers are "victimized" and "exploited" but nobody's doing the victimizing and exploiting. It must be those damn consumers -- they're all racists!

We've certainly come a long way since "The Jungle" ...but of course, meatpackers in 1906 didn't take such profile-in-courage risks in hiring immigrants illegally -- I mean, defiantly against the tide of racism -- as our brave Swift execs do today.

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heres a thought
Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 3, 2007 6:44 PM   
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Maybe our Government figure they are hosing us so why not the MEXICANS...They pay in to S.S. and never collect which means they can spend it on there next war..Who knows where that will be..Heres another thought! I think they should start a draft..Only ilegals can be drafted and forced to serve or shot..If they want our right then dammit they should be willing to fight for them.

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What's with the racistism thing
Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 3, 2007 6:49 PM   
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Can't anyone talk about anything other than that..
Our country is deviding us and using the Mexicans and anyone else who come here illegaly to do it..While all along bringing our wages down..Stop with the racist ctrap..You morans

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» Speaking of....... Posted by: rg
» Krain61 you make no sense Posted by: DinTN
» $300 million is chump change... Posted by: lessbread
» So True Posted by: lessbread
You hate the wrong people.
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jan 3, 2007 8:15 PM   
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Well I guess you all know now how the Indians felt!

It is just the white guys turn.

I don't know what it is going to take for people to wake up and finally realize that Mexicans, or Blacks, or Arabs, or whatever poor group of people has been picked this time for us to hate... are NOT the enemy.

THE RICH ARE YOUR ENEMY. They are the ones stealing your way of life. You work for them...why?

Is your sole life's ambition-to be a good and willing slave?

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» OK PAT- Posted by: WitchyNy
» RE: You hate the wrong people. Posted by: anonymous black writer
» RE: You hate the wrong people. Posted by: Pat Kittle
Have we forgotten?
Posted by: karma on Jan 3, 2007 9:57 PM   
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Lest we forget about the little war in 1846 and the birth of the "American way" i.e. manifest destiny? Who really has done who a disservice? Clique as it may be, but this country was founded, established, cultivated by millions upon millions of immigrants, both legal and illegal. For hundreds of years, people have come to this country of "better opportunity" to send their hard earned dollars back home. So what! The only reason why some people are pissed is because they didn't get the chance to squeeze out their piece of the pie first. If you really want to get angry with someone, do alittle research and find out what your senator or state reps are doing with your money in your neck of the woods. Guaranteed the issues of illegal immigrants will be the furthest thing on your mind!

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» The rest of what? Posted by: lessbread