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Government Spying Goes Global
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First, there was Total Information Awareness, or "TIA," a program that was to data mine "the transaction space" in order to single out people who might be terrorists. Then there was the Multi-state Anti-terrorism Information Exchange, or "MATRIX," which linked together state and commercial information and was probably a data-mining program. In a test run of their technology for government officials, its developers boasted that they had found 120,000 likely terrorists living in the United States. In the area of travel, the second-generation Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System, or "CAPPS II," was to data mine airline and commercial information in order to score travelers as red, green or amber risks. Its successor program, "Secure Flight," tried to do a similar thing. Then, in the area of telecommunications, there was the NSA program, secretly authorized by the President to data mine the telephone calls and emails of the American people.
All of these programs, except for the NSA's, were ostensibly scrapped by the government or Congress. Americans thought TIA was just too creepy, states opted out of MATRIX in droves because it was so intrusive, the GAO said that CAPPS II was ineffective in identifying possible terrorists, and Secure Flight was killed after it was caught risk scoring, which Congress had expressly forbidden it to do. Each program never really went away. Instead, they were simply repackaged -- or carried on in secret, like the ATS program.
Data mining is the use of computer algorithms to search masses of information for specified criteria. Risk scoring is a statistical rating on how closely an individual matches the criteria. The government is using these two techniques to sort through the masses of information it has been gathering and buying from private data aggregating companies since 9-11, in order to watch every transaction made by the American population, and populations outside the United States, all of the time. This is mass surveillance, and it's global in scope. Domestic systems feed into global ones and global systems -- like biometric passports, the sharing of airline reservation system information, the interception of international banking records, and the interception of global communications, to name a few -- feed into the domestic.
The purpose of data mining is not to check individuals' personal information against information about known terrorists, or those suspected of terrorism on "reasonable grounds" as they cross borders, send emails or access public services. The purpose of it is to predict who might be a terrorist -- a little like the film "Minority Report," in which officials stop criminal acts before they happen by reading people's minds. However, the technology that is being used today falls far short of the technology of Hollywood fantasy.
First, the information on which data mining or risk scoring depend is often inaccurate, lacking context, dated, or incomplete. And like the ATS program, data mining and risk scoring programs never contain a mechanism by which individuals can correct, contextualize or object to the information that is being used against them, or even know what it is. Operating on a "preemption" principle, these systems are uninterested in this kind of precision. They would be bogged down if they were held to the ordinary standards of access, accuracy, and accountability. Secondly, the criteria used to sort masses of data will always be over-inclusive and mechanical. Data mining is like assessing guilt by "Google" key-word searches. And since these systems use broad markers for predicting terrorism, ethnic and religious profiling are endemic to them.
Welcome to the national insecurity state, where our virtual identities are continually assessed for the risk we pose to the state and the normal relationship between the individual and the state in democratic societies is turned on its head. Now, the individual answers to the state and woe betide the person who is branded with a high "risk score."
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Posted by: Sam Thornton on Dec 12, 2006 2:21 AM
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 12, 2006 6:16 AM
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The only solution is to eliminate the NEED for the spying. If we reigned in the power of the Federal govt it would take away the incentive to wish so much power and therefore less spying. Cut off the funding for the beast and elect people who believe in State and Local rights, not large Federal govt.
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Posted by: Just Curious on Dec 12, 2006 6:20 AM
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It's always "Our democracy isn't as good as it could be/should be/will be/has been in some golden age in the past/will be again in some future golden as yet to arrive, but, that notwithstanding, we're still a democracy. We're certainly more democratic than Hitler's Germany! We're certainly more democratic than Stalin's Russia! Now, now comrades, revolution tomorrow, revolution yesterday, but no revolution today, thank you very much!" The motto: Better some democracy than none at all! Better what little we've got than nothing!
What chance have people really got of changing things when they must work within a paradigm that views civil society (youth, church and single-issue pressure groups, student, trades and labour unions, charities and aid organisations etc.) as merely an extension of the state, albeit one that is apparently spontaneous, often informal, organic and grass-roots?
That all civil society must (and does) play by the rules set for it by the corrupt, disfunctional and largely unrepresentative and merely formal western democracies and their elites (yes, that means the parliamentary/liberal ones too), both unwittingly and inevitably leaves us ultimately without redress by permitting us only to see those self-same governments as genuinely democratic - if flawed - and therefore representing the only proper and responsible channel through which we can seek reform of the system itself;
Because people see the state and its institutions (in many ways wrongly, in my opinion) as essentially legitimate and its actions ultimately for the public good and carried out with their own, tacit consent, they have been largely co-opted by the system (a fortiori the pressure groups that represent them). These pressure groups then become but another mechanism of social control, another layer, if you will, in what could possibly be called a 'hierarchy of control' - albeit with the illusion [and a very powerful one at that] of autonomy.
To cut a long story short, what I think I'm trying to say is that, unless and until we remove the blinkers from our eyes and see through this paradigm and create a civil society not based upon the idolotry-like worship of parliamentary/liberal regimes as they exist now and work towards a truly representative democracy free from the all-powerful illusion that the currently existing, so-called democracies are all that there, then our civil society will be just another weapon in the arsenal of the state, to be deployed against us in much the same manner as the servile mainstream mass media (which ostensibly serves the people), the intelligence agency-infiltrated labour unions (which ostensibly serve the working class), and the big-business funded political parties and politicians (who ostensibly serve the electorate and their constituents).
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Posted by: putman9 on Dec 12, 2006 7:54 AM
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Believe me, as a former East German subject, if you're going to be spied on, you want a dumb computer and an even more clueless "analyst" sitting in his air conditioned bunker doing it. If they were to figure out that human intelligence is the best way, and set up an American Stasi, all would be lost.
Instead they are doing database mining to try to establish profiles based on whether you have ham sandwiches or not. This sort of "intelligence" gathering is what has made American spy agencies the laughing stock of the global intelligence community. Much of it has to do with corruption and pork, and money for new "systems", in a similiar way as the Pentagon keeps commissioning undeployable weapons systems for use against the USSR and the Imperial Japanese Navy.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Dec 12, 2006 8:18 AM
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The Dems and GOP prefer to scare their client interest groups into voting for them. But they NEVER talk about taxing the rich and upper class and yuppies and using that revenue to pay for universal healthcare. Oh no....
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Posted by: rwa on Dec 12, 2006 8:42 AM
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We are at a dangerous time when the hunters of terrorists, who have failed to find any real terrorists amidst all the blood and fear of the last few years, are desperate to prove just to themselves that they have not been wasting their time and the taxpayers' money. They are desperate to find terrorists, and as a result, none of us are safe any more. The hunters of terrorists have become that which they claim to oppose."
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Posted by: meliom on Dec 12, 2006 9:21 AM
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Now they go global in their violations of privacy!?
We are in serious trouble, friends. The fox is in the hen house!
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Dec 12, 2006 12:48 PM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon. America Deceived (book)
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Dec 12, 2006 2:00 PM
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MATRIX: Seisint, Inc (bought by LexisNexis for $800 million)
CAPPS II: Lockheed Martin
DARPA/IAO: SYNTEK Technologies (Oh-So-Glorious John Poindexter, of Total Info Awareness and Policy Analysis Market fame)
Does it matter?
Well, just to be safe, get yourself elected to the board of one of these companies. Remember, data doesn't "disappear" - people with little or no net worth do. You have little or no net worth? Well, then, how did you get this number? And, where exactly are you standing... just hold still...
Some might say that it matters who your government gives sensitive data to. Because once it is in the hands of private companies and individuals, you're just another commodity.
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Posted by: rwa on Dec 12, 2006 7:29 PM
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Many people refuse to recognize the corruption and evil of our government, because the thought is simply intolerable. It undermines their fundamental beliefs and trust, and makes most of what occupies their days utterly trivial. The “solution” for these people is to tune-out any potentially upsetting epiphany. They welcome reassuring propaganda that reinforces our noble purposes in the Middle East and elsewhere. They do not care to investigate personally, or even listen to, the evidence of our considerable crimes.
So, it’s strange to realize we have no real representation in Congress or control over America’s future. Millions of Americans see the ship of state headed straight for an iceberg, and despite our protests the course will not change. It’s a classic nightmare."
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Posted by: Melvin on Dec 12, 2006 9:03 PM
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JUST HOW SOON do you think that a Democrat or Republican Government will stop this happening ?
NEVER; if you in the USA sit on your backsides & do nothing !
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I'm not a religious fanatic but don't forget that the Bible accurately forsaw chipping as "the mark of the beast", without which no one may buy or sell etc.
By the way, The Spanish nightclub experiment with implanted chips added a "removal" fee of about 150 dollars, to discourage anyone changing their minds. They had direct access to your bank account anyway. (Implant free of course)
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 12, 2006 6:16 AM
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The only solution is to eliminate the NEED for the spying. If we reigned in the power of the Federal govt it would take away the incentive to wish so much power and therefore less spying. Cut off the funding for the beast and elect people who believe in State and Local rights, not large Federal govt.
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Posted by: Just Curious on Dec 12, 2006 6:20 AM
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It's always "Our democracy isn't as good as it could be/should be/will be/has been in some golden age in the past/will be again in some future golden as yet to arrive, but, that notwithstanding, we're still a democracy. We're certainly more democratic than Hitler's Germany! We're certainly more democratic than Stalin's Russia! Now, now comrades, revolution tomorrow, revolution yesterday, but no revolution today, thank you very much!" The motto: Better some democracy than none at all! Better what little we've got than nothing!
What chance have people really got of changing things when they must work within a paradigm that views civil society (youth, church and single-issue pressure groups, student, trades and labour unions, charities and aid organisations etc.) as merely an extension of the state, albeit one that is apparently spontaneous, often informal, organic and grass-roots?
That all civil society must (and does) play by the rules set for it by the corrupt, disfunctional and largely unrepresentative and merely formal western democracies and their elites (yes, that means the parliamentary/liberal ones too), both unwittingly and inevitably leaves us ultimately without redress by permitting us only to see those self-same governments as genuinely democratic - if flawed - and therefore representing the only proper and responsible channel through which we can seek reform of the system itself;
Because people see the state and its institutions (in many ways wrongly, in my opinion) as essentially legitimate and its actions ultimately for the public good and carried out with their own, tacit consent, they have been largely co-opted by the system (a fortiori the pressure groups that represent them). These pressure groups then become but another mechanism of social control, another layer, if you will, in what could possibly be called a 'hierarchy of control' - albeit with the illusion [and a very powerful one at that] of autonomy.
To cut a long story short, what I think I'm trying to say is that, unless and until we remove the blinkers from our eyes and see through this paradigm and create a civil society not based upon the idolotry-like worship of parliamentary/liberal regimes as they exist now and work towards a truly representative democracy free from the all-powerful illusion that the currently existing, so-called democracies are all that there, then our civil society will be just another weapon in the arsenal of the state, to be deployed against us in much the same manner as the servile mainstream mass media (which ostensibly serves the people), the intelligence agency-infiltrated labour unions (which ostensibly serve the working class), and the big-business funded political parties and politicians (who ostensibly serve the electorate and their constituents).
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Posted by: putman9 on Dec 12, 2006 7:54 AM
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Believe me, as a former East German subject, if you're going to be spied on, you want a dumb computer and an even more clueless "analyst" sitting in his air conditioned bunker doing it. If they were to figure out that human intelligence is the best way, and set up an American Stasi, all would be lost.
Instead they are doing database mining to try to establish profiles based on whether you have ham sandwiches or not. This sort of "intelligence" gathering is what has made American spy agencies the laughing stock of the global intelligence community. Much of it has to do with corruption and pork, and money for new "systems", in a similiar way as the Pentagon keeps commissioning undeployable weapons systems for use against the USSR and the Imperial Japanese Navy.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Dec 12, 2006 8:18 AM
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The Dems and GOP prefer to scare their client interest groups into voting for them. But they NEVER talk about taxing the rich and upper class and yuppies and using that revenue to pay for universal healthcare. Oh no....
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Posted by: rwa on Dec 12, 2006 8:42 AM
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We are at a dangerous time when the hunters of terrorists, who have failed to find any real terrorists amidst all the blood and fear of the last few years, are desperate to prove just to themselves that they have not been wasting their time and the taxpayers' money. They are desperate to find terrorists, and as a result, none of us are safe any more. The hunters of terrorists have become that which they claim to oppose."
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Posted by: meliom on Dec 12, 2006 9:21 AM
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Now they go global in their violations of privacy!?
We are in serious trouble, friends. The fox is in the hen house!
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Dec 12, 2006 12:48 PM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon. America Deceived (book)
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Dec 12, 2006 2:00 PM
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MATRIX: Seisint, Inc (bought by LexisNexis for $800 million)
CAPPS II: Lockheed Martin
DARPA/IAO: SYNTEK Technologies (Oh-So-Glorious John Poindexter, of Total Info Awareness and Policy Analysis Market fame)
Does it matter?
Well, just to be safe, get yourself elected to the board of one of these companies. Remember, data doesn't "disappear" - people with little or no net worth do. You have little or no net worth? Well, then, how did you get this number? And, where exactly are you standing... just hold still...
Some might say that it matters who your government gives sensitive data to. Because once it is in the hands of private companies and individuals, you're just another commodity.
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» Equity will set you free
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Posted by: rwa on Dec 12, 2006 7:29 PM
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Many people refuse to recognize the corruption and evil of our government, because the thought is simply intolerable. It undermines their fundamental beliefs and trust, and makes most of what occupies their days utterly trivial. The “solution” for these people is to tune-out any potentially upsetting epiphany. They welcome reassuring propaganda that reinforces our noble purposes in the Middle East and elsewhere. They do not care to investigate personally, or even listen to, the evidence of our considerable crimes.
So, it’s strange to realize we have no real representation in Congress or control over America’s future. Millions of Americans see the ship of state headed straight for an iceberg, and despite our protests the course will not change. It’s a classic nightmare."
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Posted by: Melvin on Dec 12, 2006 9:03 PM
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JUST HOW SOON do you think that a Democrat or Republican Government will stop this happening ?
NEVER; if you in the USA sit on your backsides & do nothing !
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Posted by: shaun on Dec 13, 2006 1:56 AM
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I'm not a religious fanatic but don't forget that the Bible accurately forsaw chipping as "the mark of the beast", without which no one may buy or sell etc.
By the way, The Spanish nightclub experiment with implanted chips added a "removal" fee of about 150 dollars, to discourage anyone changing their minds. They had direct access to your bank account anyway. (Implant free of course)
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