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The Crime of Breathing While Black
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I have often joked that if you ever want to see a modern-day Uncle Tom, look no further than me in the vicinity of a white police officer. The reality is, that is how I have been conditioned to behave around the police for pure self-preservation reasons, having grown up black in Chicago with parents who wanted their boys to live to adulthood. But the other reality is that whatever newfound liberties I have experienced, and all too often have taken for granted, I don't ever want to be made to feel like a nigger -- something far, far worse than its utterance. It is a status whose roots form the tree from which we are lynched. Without the corollary lack of humanity and powerlessness, lynching could not occur, in all of its modern iterations, "contagious shootings" included.
Two recent police shootings involving black victims have a deeper meaning and impact for those of us who are unwarranted, but nevertheless prospective, suspects. In New York, Sean Bell, a 23-year-old unarmed man, died and two of his friends were critically wounded -- caught in a hail of fifty bullets fired by undercover officers -- as the group emerged from a nightclub, where they had been celebrating Bell's bachelor party. In Atlanta, 88-year-old Kathryn Johnston was shot as she sought to defend herself from police who had stormed into her home in search of drugs.
This past Thanksgiving I was stopped by an Alabama state trooper for a minor, unintentional moving violation. It was late, my family and I were tired and we were driving through rural Alabama in a rental car. Almost instinctively I knew what I had to become and how I had to act when pulled over. But as soon as I knew that the trooper had no desire to use his discretion to let me off with a warning, I committed an inviolable act that I will not soon forgive myself for as a husband and father of two small children: I challenged the trooper, albeit politely. It was a stupid and potentially dangerous thing for me to do, as the stealthy punches to my thigh from my wife reminded me.
Nothing is more important to me than the safety of my family, and yet there was this dissonant part of me -- that privileged post-civil-rights-era, Generation X sensibility that was evoked -- asserting that "we've been niggers long enough," as I recounted the generations and diversity of indignities my family has had to withstand with no recourse.
Such indignities still abound in popular culture. Consider comedian Michael Richards, who recently unleashed a racist tirade after being heckled by a few black men in the audience. Worse, he made graphic reference to lynching when he explained what would have befallen them had they "mouthed off" to a white person fifty years ago.
But whether or not we use the word "nigger" or discourage its use by others -- or among black folk -- the discrete events that trigger that visceral feeling in us will remain as long as black lives continue to have less value than white lives. Because they do. To invoke a newer, insidious rhetorical tool of conservatives, it is white "innocent life" that is sacrosanct, not society's moral outrage against violence and brutality, physical or psychological.
More than a decade after the O.J. Simpson verdict, Simpson is still the poster boy for brutality and injustice, whereas former detective Mark Fuhrman is all but legitimated as a bestselling author despite a long history of his admitted brutality as a member of the LAPD.
For many African-Americans, whether or not they believe a guilty man was nearly framed, to cast Simpson as a symbol of brutality gone unpunished is not only bizarrely misplaced and insulting; it is also symptomatic of a society intentionally blind to the daily realities of what it feels like to be seen more as a problem than as a person.
Every day we are made conscious of our own race and status in society by a host of peers and judges in a range of venues. And even if we never have to endure an altercation with the police, we still are acutely aware of how easily we can be made to feel like niggers: our gait, tone, behavior, our proximity to valuables (or more valuable people) is scrutinized. And our choice to accept this reality and conform to earn that eye contact, that begrudging customer service or that success in hailing a cab is related to this issue of brutality, because it is an assault on our citizenship and very humanity.
"Contagious shooting" may very well be a legitimate assessment of the events that culminated in Sean Bell's death hours before his wedding. But it is symptomatic of something larger that undoubtedly correlates to when such contagions most often occur and to what degree. If there is a presumption of guilt or reason to fear or distrust someone irrespective of context, that itself is a crime; it represents the psychological brutality and ubiquity of institutional racism.
But perhaps institutional racism sounds a bit too harsh for the thin-skinned mainstream media, the proxy of our willfully ignorant body politic. Society prefers what is in essence "situational racism" that dissolves with a well-placed, well-timed apology to the right brokers of contrition. "Some of my best friends are black." "I was drunk." "He had a wallet." All socially acceptable mitigators of brutal speech are deftly untethered from their more vile origins, too shameful and heavy for those most complicit to bare. But the weight of its impact never lessens on those of us who do not have a choice as long as we're breathing while black.
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Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 7, 2006 1:59 AM
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 7, 2006 3:28 AM
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* Police tend to be immune from the law, as we've seen in many cases.
* The "blue wall".
* The drug war.
* The term "cop killer" and what it implies about the value of a police officer's life over someone else's.
* Etc.
I'm white, geeky, and middle-class, and I've been harassed a number of times by nasty cops. I've also been helped by some decent ones, but the system is rigged to allow the nasty ones to be as nasty as they want.
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Posted by: indieandie on Dec 7, 2006 4:31 AM
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Please don't give up on all of us white folks. Some of us have raised our children without invoking the "n" word and to appreciate the rich diversity in the world.
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Posted by: Chevaliere on Dec 7, 2006 4:52 AM
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"Political Ponerology was forged in the crucible of the very subject it studies. Scientists living under an oppressive regime decide to study it clinically, to study the founders and supporters of an evil regime to determine what common factor is at play in the rise and propagation of man's inhumanity to man.
"Shocking in its clinically spare descriptions of the true nature of evil, poignant in the more literary passages where the author reveals the suffering experienced by the researchers who were contaminated or destroyed by the disease they were studying, this is a book that should be required reading by every citizen of every country that claims a moral or humanistic foundation. For it is a certainty that morality and humanism cannot long withstand the predations of Evil. Knowledge of its nature, how it creates its networks and spreads, how insidious is its guileful approach, is the only antidote."
There is a section in this book that talks about how periods of abundance lead to the conditions whereby totalitarian regimes are able to take over if other conditions are present. I think that those other conditions ARE present.
Anyway, I very highly recommend this book. It's the only thing I've read in a very long time that has helped me make sense of what is going on.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Dec 7, 2006 6:29 AM
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Not only that, but black cops discriminate against whites. I have already related here on Alternet one such incident that happened to me.
Here is the thing--the overclass wants friction between the races and between subcultures and between as many factions as possible as long as it is not between those americans with more money and those with less money. So the overclass filters out ideas and statements that unite and passes those that divide. One way to get the whites away from leftism is to develop a fakeLeft that lies about racial realities. A fakeLeft that pretends that blacks are more racist than whites. Whites know this, which is one reason why they are repelled from Leftism, because they see that Leftism (actually fakeleftism) does not support them but blacks instead, even denying the reality of black racism.
None of this is a conspiracy, but instead develops longterm due to control of mass media and money by those of the upper class, and because upper class and working class have different self-interests in many respects, and because those who come later tend to mimic those who came before and who were successful. THe end effect is much like that of evolution in an organic ecosystem.
In any event, the end result is much of what is referred to as political correctness, i.e., the race hypocrisy of the fakeLeft. This is one big reason why the GOP can be so evil and still get working class whites to vote for them--the fakeLeft pushed them away into the arms of Limbaugh, et al.
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Posted by: malcolmartin on Dec 7, 2006 6:59 AM
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Capitalism’s contradictory impulses have begun bumping into each other. It’s happening in the national debate on immigration and it happened in the recent Dubai Ports World controversy. Profits are the system’s lifeblood so the ruling class craves an immigrant guest worker program and the United Arab Emirates’ petrodollars but the rabid anti-immigrant and anti-Arab sentiment coursing through U.S. society has so far blocked their designs. Racist violence like that brought against Sean Bell and Kathryn Johnston and xenophobia and every other tactic of division have been guarded carefully by capitalism with good reason. Unity of the working class is the only potentially deadly threat to this system. White supremacy, Black Nationalism, religious fundamentalism, sexism, homophobia, and all the crackpot schemes and the nihilistic cults of the bourgeoisie, like al-Qaeda, are dead ends for all of us who work.
Working people will unite across racial barriers or we will all rest in a common mass grave.
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 7, 2006 7:48 AM
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Keep in mind that race relations will continue to get worse with the influx of hispanic populations, esp from Northern Mexico where there is still much stereo-typing of blacks. We've already seen much black vs mexican violence in LA and Houston. It will be inflamed also as the hispanic population becomes the 'largest minority', or majority in some states/cities, and start to gain the favour of the elite's attention, the media, etc and blacks, once again, get pushed down. Of course, this is the whole point of why the Republicans like illegal immigration because it will lower wages, divided poor people amongst themselves, spread crime in poor areas (and thusly frighten the 'whites' to vote for 'law and order' candidates.)
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 7, 2006 9:20 AM
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In Idaho you can be thrown into a fire because some white kid thought you were a Jew and it's no hate crime, in Tennesee you can be gang raped and it's no hate crime because you is a skanky ho, according to the white perps who also happen to be sons of the local gendarmerie. IN one county in CA if you're mentally ill and someone calls the cops you have a 2 in 10 chance of making it out of there alive, a zero in 10 chance in coming out of the ordeal unharmed or not in custody, shackled and tasered. But none of these things are real, we're routinely told day in and day out. We all deserved what we got, right?
Welcome to 'Merkuh, homathefree. Where your allies are poor white folk who can't change nothin' no-how. We get thumped too by the boys in blue, the only difference is we might not get shot while you will. Nothing more eye opening than getting shoved up against the wall by the bully from high school who used to burn small animals behind the school bus, who's now been armed with a Glock, a taser, pepper spray, an M-16 and a shotgun and fifty of his pals similarly arrayed, and have the blanket authority to do as they wish by a fearful and obedient uberclass. Then the nightmare of discovering that, o crap, he remembers you... and then it all goes downhill from there.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Dec 7, 2006 10:47 AM
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There is a very big difference between black experiences with racism, which has been historically and even theologically upheld - and whites experiences with racism, which is relatively new and has been linked more with class rather than skin colour. Some whites may complain about the odd occurence of being given a dirty look at best or being spat on or violently threatened at worst, but blacks have had to live with that and far worse for a lot longer. Lest these white people forget, at one point in time, black people weren't even considered fully human or having souls. At one point in time, black women could be raped with impunity as black men looked on helplessly. At one point in time, a young man named Emmitt Till lost his life over a silly juvenile dare and the men who committed the crime walked away scott-free and actually sold their story to Look Magazine.
Ask many black man - no matter his economic status - and most will tell you about their negative experiences with law enforcement, more often than not unwarranted.
What I really wish is that these whites would stand back a little and try to see things from a different perspective. I wish they'd cease their patronizing attitudes. I wish they'd step outside their comfort zones to see that police brutality isn't just going to stay in one place for long. When the civil rights of ANYONE is violated, don't expect that just because you're white and live in a 'safe' neighborhood, that yours are sacrosanct.
Thankfully though, for every "mr. goldstein", there's a Tim Wise who tells it like it really is.
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Posted by: Jesse on Dec 7, 2006 12:26 PM
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It has everything to do with power.
For example: a white person will far more often be in a position to make a black person's life absolutely miserable--they are more likely to be in a position to hire, or be a police officer, or have money.
A black guy can hate white people all he wants, but he is unlikely to be in a position to do much about it. He might be able to make an individual white person feel bad, but that white guy is in a position to go someplace else, to complain, or bring down god knows what on the black neighborhood. In Boston we had Charles Stuart who did just that. (He claimed a black guy shot his wife, and the result was a rain of crap on Franklin Park and Dorchester).
The CEO of Time Warner is black, but he is very much an exception (how many other black CEOs can you name? How many are there?) If he were to hire only nonwhites preferentially, it would be unacceptable and noticeable. But if he were white and did the reverse, nobody would notice. Why? An all-white workforce (or a very high percentage thereof) is considered the norm for professional-level jobs. If you don't believe it, just walk around an investment bank and find the American non-whites. (Some are hired but they tend to be from India or China).
A black guy feels absolutely unsafe challenging a police officer, whereas a white person has the privilege (not the right) to do so. Which one is more likely to end up in the slammer?
There are well-documented differences in sentencing as well.
Race in this sense is a social construct and that only. Jews and other "white ethnics" were once discriminated against, but they had a huge advantage: "Passing" meaning that they look like white people so nobody knows you are Italian unless they ask or see your last name. That let them into the corridors of power, because you couldn't pick them out once they altered names and started running for office. Being Catholic was still an issue, but force of numbers ended that debate (see JFK).
Nonwhites can be spotted, and no amount of mental gymnastics makes them look like white people. So as a white person you have to pretend they are white--it's especially easy if they act like you. People from India, for instance, speak with British-sounding accents (if they are upper class) and have professional jobs. This allows them the status of "honorary white." Same with many east Asians, especially relatively light-skinned Japanese and Chinese who are raised here in the US. This is where you get to the intersection of race and class, and it is an interesting one.
But the point I am making is that institutionalized racism has little to do with personalities and a lot to do with who can hurt whom worse. This is why talking about black racists in the US is just plain silly, or at best an interesting "what if" intellectual question.
That's what many whites, even well-meaning ones, have trouble getting their heads around.
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This author is very intelligent and I can only imagine he is in fear not because he is black but that he reminds himself that he is black and that people in the past has been killed that also are black.
The author stood up to a police officer. Great. He didn't do that because he feared the officer or because he reminded himself that he was black and the officer was white (I guess he was white), he did it because he felt he was right and because he was a man.
Everyone needs to stand up. Doesn't matter what color. Stand up and even if you were wrong, stand up and say you are a man and should be treated like one.
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Posted by: ap0110 on Dec 7, 2006 2:39 PM
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I'm not saying the basic argument is wrong - I agree with it 100%. I'm just not sure about this particular example. If we conflate police brutality with racism, regardless of whether or not race was a factor, then aren't we undermining any righteous sense of outrage at the countless, and legitimate, examples of racism?
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Dec 7, 2006 2:49 PM
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It seems like the only thing that could resolve all of it would be for the white race to simply leave the planet. Give the natives back their land. Get out of the Middle East and let the Arabs keep their oil. No one left to discriminate against the blacks.
Or the white race could just die off, but I don't see that as a satisfactory solution either.
Let's just leave, so that all our problems will be our own. Mars is waiting to be terraformed, I've heard.
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Posted by: nickbk on Dec 8, 2006 7:57 AM
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I'm sorry, but I just don't get this comment. Maybe I'm suffering from bias blinders, but it seems to me that OJ Simpson IS a symbol of brutality gone unpunished. Not only that, but a symbol of one of the worst problems this country has always faced: money rules EVERYTHING in America. OJ managed to BUY his way out of a murder rap, and that's just not right. Dave Chappelle talks about black people dancing in the street when OJ was aquitted. "Don't that legal system just burrrrrnnnn!?!?!?" Yes, it is true. That legal system does just burn. But Blacks and Whites and Yellows and Browns and Reds and ALL ALIKE should be horribly dismayed by the fact that OJ Simpsons was never held responsible for what were some pretty obvious and heinous crimes. This should not be a race issue, it should be a JUSTICE issue. Yes, Mark Furman (sp?) is a racist, and a tyrant, and a generally dispicable human being. And yes I do wish that more thought was paid to that. But I don't understand how labeling OJ as a symbol of unpunished brutality and the general fucked-up-ed-ness of the American legal system is "bizzarly misplaced and insulting" or how it demonstrates in anyway the racial bias (i.e.- African American = trouble/criminal, plain and simple) that exists in this country. Does anyone else have any thoughts on the matter?
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Posted by: ccnygal13 on Dec 8, 2006 9:10 AM
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Many many many minority officers do not do right by "their own". Living in Harlem, it was most the black and latino cops that messed with everyone, not the white ones. We need to have a renewed discussion not on white cops, but on cops in general.
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Posted by: faultroy on Dec 8, 2006 9:35 PM
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There is definitely both a need and a requirement to discuss racism when it exists.
However the examples that Rabb uses do not fall into these categories. As a matter of fact I will go as far as to say that Rabb is the racist.
Here he is talking about Sean Bell being shot in New York while unarmed. What he didn't say is that at least two of the officers that shot him were BLACK!!! so how is this racism? According to initial reports, this was a drug bust gone bad. We don't know the whole story, but it isn't like the newspapers are presenting it.
And then this racist compares OJ Simpson to Mark Fuhrman?
Fuhrman--regardless of what you think of him as a human being was one of the --if not the--best and most competent detectives on the LAPD--he had a steller record and this was even brought out by the people that testified against him for making racist comments! How does this compare to being charged with murdering two innocent people--one of which is the mother of your own children???
So what does this black racist red neck do? Rabb compares the two and says that Simpson is being "victimized." Is there anyone in the United States today that does not believe that Simpson butchered his wife and killed an innocent man?--especially since they just planned on launching a TV episode on "how he might have done it--if He would have done it?"
To show how disgustingly racist this guy really is, imagine a white guy saying these things about black innocents!!
And then he talks about driving in another state and having a discussion with police officers and "challenging them." Ohh big racism here...
Well I got news for this little racist twerp. I'm white, and I did that and I have landed in jail!!!
And one of the reasons I did was because I dared challenge a "police officer" that followed me on a lonely country road for more than six miles because I happen to be white. You see in the state that I live in when you're "white," you're racially profiled to be an automatic drunk driver. So if you happen to be driving anytime after midnight to 6 in the morning you will always be followed with suspicion--because of the color of your skin.
It seems that the racial profile of a typical drunken driver is a middle class white guy. This obviously is perfectly legal against a white man--but of course racist and discriminatory if it is applied to a minority or a black person or a woman.
I notice this black red neck pansey doesn't talk about all the real serious truly unjust issues that honestly plague Black Americans--and you know why??--because this guy is of the new breed of black racists--the guys that talk the talk but really have never walked the walk.
This is just another black effete dilettante lip synching to a song he really doesn't know the words to.
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Posted by: bigthilo on Dec 9, 2006 5:52 PM
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1. turn off engin. 2. turn on interior lights. 3. Put both hands 10 an 2 on the wheel.
3. Listen to officer requests and tell him exaclty what you are doing to fullfil, like going to the glove box. Make sure officer can see clearly what your hands are doing. 4. Tell the complete truth.
5. Do not resist in any way, you will get tazer or spray or gun (no matter what color.) 6. be polite and thank the officer for settin you straight and accept the ticket. 7. Do not stand out in any way so that you can challenge the ticket later in court where he might not remember you.
8. Don't be a black person (hey joke everyone gets the treatment they ask for) Do not argue with the police, get a lawyer to do that. 9. don't drive drunk.
10. BE POLITE, respect that the officer is always in danger of some crazy attack by some drunk fool, admit and thank the officer because he only gets paid around 2k a month to get shot at. He just wants to get his kids through school like anyone else.
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Posted by: Burton on Dec 10, 2006 3:24 PM
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The problem in both of these cases is that the police were going after people for victimless crimes: drugs, firearms, sex work (imagine sex work in a strip club!). As long as we have laws against victimless crimes, we will have innocent peoples' lives destroyed by the police. The police will act like secret police, spying on people in their homes, kicking in doors, gunning down the innocent.
So I ask again: why on earth does the left NOT take to the streets in protest against, say, the war on drugs? Back in the 1960s ending drug prohibition was one of the big issues putting millions of people into the streets in protest.
Why does the left oppose the war in Iraq but not the war on drugs, which has destroyed far more lives and trashed more civil liberties than the PATRIOT ACT? Why does the left support homosexual rights but not sex worker rights? Why does the left call for radical action, then demand gun control which would give the state a monopoly on the means of force?
Thoughts?
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Posted by: sgtstan on Dec 12, 2006 8:14 AM
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Intelligence is not the ability to regurgitate information. Intelligence is the ability to apply learned information across a wide spectrum of unrelated activity and experience. Though highly complex, the human brain follows the path of least resistance in certain matters, especially survival.
If in my first encounter with a dog, its loud bark and bared sharp teeth terrify me, my brain will transfer that learned experience across the spectrum of similar creatures or objects that are loud or that have sharp teeth, regardless of their actual immediate threat to me. One could describe me as prejudiced against dogs. Likewise, if I place my hand on a lit stove, I am highly unlikely to quickly place my hand near anything that radiates heat or glows red. This mental mechanism is about survival, nothing more.
But intelligence also means the ability to accumulate information from sources other than personal experience. To ensure survival, the brain can also take information from passed on familial beliefs, social interactions or social stimuli. This way, the body/brain avoids pain while benefiting from others’ experience/knowledge. Unfortunately, not all that learned information is based on fact.
To put it another way, for pure survival and for ease of operation, the brain wants to identify, categorize and organize the world in the most basic of terms.
So, are our prejudices ever going to go away? No, and believe that as if your life depended on it, and it does. What can go away is the mistreatment of individuals based on racial expectations or prejudiced notions.
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Posted by: sgtstan on Dec 12, 2006 9:50 AM
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And it’s easy to keep the blame focused so neatly on those brutal, racist bastard cops. Just look what they did to poor innocent Sean Bell “…hours before his wedding.” How can we believe that anyone would be doing anything illegal just “…hours before his wedding!” Unfortunately, you just happened to leave out the little fact that Bell and his friends were all previously arrested for illegal possession of guns, and that the driver attempted to run down the officer twice prior to the start of the shooting. To keep the mythos going, one uses all the tricks, conveniently omitting fact while playing on the readers’ emotions.
But bringing up OJ Simpson in your argument about discrimination by law enforcement is unforgivable. Granted, I have not lived the black experience in these United States, nor have you lived the white experience. But I have to believe our common witness to Simpson’s televised trial would transcend any differences and lead an intelligent mind to a guilty verdict. Simpson is the poster boy for brutality and injustice, not due his race, but due his premeditated criminal acts and his recent insistence on remaining a public figure. That a jury did not convict him is further example of the willingness to believe the myth of the “man.”
I, for one, am tired of people telling me what dirty, crooked, racist, brutal bastards cops are. This article is merely the railing against the most accessible authority figure, because it’s easier to do this than for us to accept any personal responsibility. Does prejudice exist within every member of this society? Absolutely. Does prejudice affect every arrest, every ticket, every contact a police officer makes? “Well…I can’t prove it… but I know its true… because you don’t know what it is to be a black man…” Does being a black man involve putting the blame on others, or perhaps utter paranoia? I know that neither is true.
This society, over the past hundred years, has progressively given up the citizens’ responsibility for keeping order within it, relegating its ‘parenthood’ to those in uniform, so that the rest of us can go about our business of living our lives without the wolf showing up. And we’re always pleased to hear how some criminal was caught and punished, as long as it’s not us. And when it is us, why then, we’d better take a stand, because our minds won’t let us admit that maybe we were wrong, maybe we made a mistake, maybe we broke the law.
Oh no; those dirty bastards must be out to get us.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 7, 2006 3:28 AM
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* Police tend to be immune from the law, as we've seen in many cases.
* The "blue wall".
* The drug war.
* The term "cop killer" and what it implies about the value of a police officer's life over someone else's.
* Etc.
I'm white, geeky, and middle-class, and I've been harassed a number of times by nasty cops. I've also been helped by some decent ones, but the system is rigged to allow the nasty ones to be as nasty as they want.
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Posted by: indieandie on Dec 7, 2006 4:31 AM
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Please don't give up on all of us white folks. Some of us have raised our children without invoking the "n" word and to appreciate the rich diversity in the world.
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Posted by: Chevaliere on Dec 7, 2006 4:52 AM
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"Political Ponerology was forged in the crucible of the very subject it studies. Scientists living under an oppressive regime decide to study it clinically, to study the founders and supporters of an evil regime to determine what common factor is at play in the rise and propagation of man's inhumanity to man.
"Shocking in its clinically spare descriptions of the true nature of evil, poignant in the more literary passages where the author reveals the suffering experienced by the researchers who were contaminated or destroyed by the disease they were studying, this is a book that should be required reading by every citizen of every country that claims a moral or humanistic foundation. For it is a certainty that morality and humanism cannot long withstand the predations of Evil. Knowledge of its nature, how it creates its networks and spreads, how insidious is its guileful approach, is the only antidote."
There is a section in this book that talks about how periods of abundance lead to the conditions whereby totalitarian regimes are able to take over if other conditions are present. I think that those other conditions ARE present.
Anyway, I very highly recommend this book. It's the only thing I've read in a very long time that has helped me make sense of what is going on.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Dec 7, 2006 6:29 AM
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Not only that, but black cops discriminate against whites. I have already related here on Alternet one such incident that happened to me.
Here is the thing--the overclass wants friction between the races and between subcultures and between as many factions as possible as long as it is not between those americans with more money and those with less money. So the overclass filters out ideas and statements that unite and passes those that divide. One way to get the whites away from leftism is to develop a fakeLeft that lies about racial realities. A fakeLeft that pretends that blacks are more racist than whites. Whites know this, which is one reason why they are repelled from Leftism, because they see that Leftism (actually fakeleftism) does not support them but blacks instead, even denying the reality of black racism.
None of this is a conspiracy, but instead develops longterm due to control of mass media and money by those of the upper class, and because upper class and working class have different self-interests in many respects, and because those who come later tend to mimic those who came before and who were successful. THe end effect is much like that of evolution in an organic ecosystem.
In any event, the end result is much of what is referred to as political correctness, i.e., the race hypocrisy of the fakeLeft. This is one big reason why the GOP can be so evil and still get working class whites to vote for them--the fakeLeft pushed them away into the arms of Limbaugh, et al.
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Posted by: malcolmartin on Dec 7, 2006 6:59 AM
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Capitalism’s contradictory impulses have begun bumping into each other. It’s happening in the national debate on immigration and it happened in the recent Dubai Ports World controversy. Profits are the system’s lifeblood so the ruling class craves an immigrant guest worker program and the United Arab Emirates’ petrodollars but the rabid anti-immigrant and anti-Arab sentiment coursing through U.S. society has so far blocked their designs. Racist violence like that brought against Sean Bell and Kathryn Johnston and xenophobia and every other tactic of division have been guarded carefully by capitalism with good reason. Unity of the working class is the only potentially deadly threat to this system. White supremacy, Black Nationalism, religious fundamentalism, sexism, homophobia, and all the crackpot schemes and the nihilistic cults of the bourgeoisie, like al-Qaeda, are dead ends for all of us who work.
Working people will unite across racial barriers or we will all rest in a common mass grave.
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 7, 2006 7:48 AM
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Keep in mind that race relations will continue to get worse with the influx of hispanic populations, esp from Northern Mexico where there is still much stereo-typing of blacks. We've already seen much black vs mexican violence in LA and Houston. It will be inflamed also as the hispanic population becomes the 'largest minority', or majority in some states/cities, and start to gain the favour of the elite's attention, the media, etc and blacks, once again, get pushed down. Of course, this is the whole point of why the Republicans like illegal immigration because it will lower wages, divided poor people amongst themselves, spread crime in poor areas (and thusly frighten the 'whites' to vote for 'law and order' candidates.)
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 7, 2006 9:20 AM
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In Idaho you can be thrown into a fire because some white kid thought you were a Jew and it's no hate crime, in Tennesee you can be gang raped and it's no hate crime because you is a skanky ho, according to the white perps who also happen to be sons of the local gendarmerie. IN one county in CA if you're mentally ill and someone calls the cops you have a 2 in 10 chance of making it out of there alive, a zero in 10 chance in coming out of the ordeal unharmed or not in custody, shackled and tasered. But none of these things are real, we're routinely told day in and day out. We all deserved what we got, right?
Welcome to 'Merkuh, homathefree. Where your allies are poor white folk who can't change nothin' no-how. We get thumped too by the boys in blue, the only difference is we might not get shot while you will. Nothing more eye opening than getting shoved up against the wall by the bully from high school who used to burn small animals behind the school bus, who's now been armed with a Glock, a taser, pepper spray, an M-16 and a shotgun and fifty of his pals similarly arrayed, and have the blanket authority to do as they wish by a fearful and obedient uberclass. Then the nightmare of discovering that, o crap, he remembers you... and then it all goes downhill from there.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Dec 7, 2006 10:47 AM
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There is a very big difference between black experiences with racism, which has been historically and even theologically upheld - and whites experiences with racism, which is relatively new and has been linked more with class rather than skin colour. Some whites may complain about the odd occurence of being given a dirty look at best or being spat on or violently threatened at worst, but blacks have had to live with that and far worse for a lot longer. Lest these white people forget, at one point in time, black people weren't even considered fully human or having souls. At one point in time, black women could be raped with impunity as black men looked on helplessly. At one point in time, a young man named Emmitt Till lost his life over a silly juvenile dare and the men who committed the crime walked away scott-free and actually sold their story to Look Magazine.
Ask many black man - no matter his economic status - and most will tell you about their negative experiences with law enforcement, more often than not unwarranted.
What I really wish is that these whites would stand back a little and try to see things from a different perspective. I wish they'd cease their patronizing attitudes. I wish they'd step outside their comfort zones to see that police brutality isn't just going to stay in one place for long. When the civil rights of ANYONE is violated, don't expect that just because you're white and live in a 'safe' neighborhood, that yours are sacrosanct.
Thankfully though, for every "mr. goldstein", there's a Tim Wise who tells it like it really is.
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Posted by: Jesse on Dec 7, 2006 12:26 PM
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It has everything to do with power.
For example: a white person will far more often be in a position to make a black person's life absolutely miserable--they are more likely to be in a position to hire, or be a police officer, or have money.
A black guy can hate white people all he wants, but he is unlikely to be in a position to do much about it. He might be able to make an individual white person feel bad, but that white guy is in a position to go someplace else, to complain, or bring down god knows what on the black neighborhood. In Boston we had Charles Stuart who did just that. (He claimed a black guy shot his wife, and the result was a rain of crap on Franklin Park and Dorchester).
The CEO of Time Warner is black, but he is very much an exception (how many other black CEOs can you name? How many are there?) If he were to hire only nonwhites preferentially, it would be unacceptable and noticeable. But if he were white and did the reverse, nobody would notice. Why? An all-white workforce (or a very high percentage thereof) is considered the norm for professional-level jobs. If you don't believe it, just walk around an investment bank and find the American non-whites. (Some are hired but they tend to be from India or China).
A black guy feels absolutely unsafe challenging a police officer, whereas a white person has the privilege (not the right) to do so. Which one is more likely to end up in the slammer?
There are well-documented differences in sentencing as well.
Race in this sense is a social construct and that only. Jews and other "white ethnics" were once discriminated against, but they had a huge advantage: "Passing" meaning that they look like white people so nobody knows you are Italian unless they ask or see your last name. That let them into the corridors of power, because you couldn't pick them out once they altered names and started running for office. Being Catholic was still an issue, but force of numbers ended that debate (see JFK).
Nonwhites can be spotted, and no amount of mental gymnastics makes them look like white people. So as a white person you have to pretend they are white--it's especially easy if they act like you. People from India, for instance, speak with British-sounding accents (if they are upper class) and have professional jobs. This allows them the status of "honorary white." Same with many east Asians, especially relatively light-skinned Japanese and Chinese who are raised here in the US. This is where you get to the intersection of race and class, and it is an interesting one.
But the point I am making is that institutionalized racism has little to do with personalities and a lot to do with who can hurt whom worse. This is why talking about black racists in the US is just plain silly, or at best an interesting "what if" intellectual question.
That's what many whites, even well-meaning ones, have trouble getting their heads around.
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This author is very intelligent and I can only imagine he is in fear not because he is black but that he reminds himself that he is black and that people in the past has been killed that also are black.
The author stood up to a police officer. Great. He didn't do that because he feared the officer or because he reminded himself that he was black and the officer was white (I guess he was white), he did it because he felt he was right and because he was a man.
Everyone needs to stand up. Doesn't matter what color. Stand up and even if you were wrong, stand up and say you are a man and should be treated like one.
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Posted by: ap0110 on Dec 7, 2006 2:39 PM
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I'm not saying the basic argument is wrong - I agree with it 100%. I'm just not sure about this particular example. If we conflate police brutality with racism, regardless of whether or not race was a factor, then aren't we undermining any righteous sense of outrage at the countless, and legitimate, examples of racism?
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Dec 7, 2006 2:49 PM
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It seems like the only thing that could resolve all of it would be for the white race to simply leave the planet. Give the natives back their land. Get out of the Middle East and let the Arabs keep their oil. No one left to discriminate against the blacks.
Or the white race could just die off, but I don't see that as a satisfactory solution either.
Let's just leave, so that all our problems will be our own. Mars is waiting to be terraformed, I've heard.
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Posted by: morticia on Dec 7, 2006 8:12 PM
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Posted by: nickbk on Dec 8, 2006 7:57 AM
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I'm sorry, but I just don't get this comment. Maybe I'm suffering from bias blinders, but it seems to me that OJ Simpson IS a symbol of brutality gone unpunished. Not only that, but a symbol of one of the worst problems this country has always faced: money rules EVERYTHING in America. OJ managed to BUY his way out of a murder rap, and that's just not right. Dave Chappelle talks about black people dancing in the street when OJ was aquitted. "Don't that legal system just burrrrrnnnn!?!?!?" Yes, it is true. That legal system does just burn. But Blacks and Whites and Yellows and Browns and Reds and ALL ALIKE should be horribly dismayed by the fact that OJ Simpsons was never held responsible for what were some pretty obvious and heinous crimes. This should not be a race issue, it should be a JUSTICE issue. Yes, Mark Furman (sp?) is a racist, and a tyrant, and a generally dispicable human being. And yes I do wish that more thought was paid to that. But I don't understand how labeling OJ as a symbol of unpunished brutality and the general fucked-up-ed-ness of the American legal system is "bizzarly misplaced and insulting" or how it demonstrates in anyway the racial bias (i.e.- African American = trouble/criminal, plain and simple) that exists in this country. Does anyone else have any thoughts on the matter?
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Posted by: ccnygal13 on Dec 8, 2006 9:10 AM
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Many many many minority officers do not do right by "their own". Living in Harlem, it was most the black and latino cops that messed with everyone, not the white ones. We need to have a renewed discussion not on white cops, but on cops in general.
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Posted by: DeeOhGee on Dec 8, 2006 2:19 PM
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Posted by: faultroy on Dec 8, 2006 9:35 PM
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There is definitely both a need and a requirement to discuss racism when it exists.
However the examples that Rabb uses do not fall into these categories. As a matter of fact I will go as far as to say that Rabb is the racist.
Here he is talking about Sean Bell being shot in New York while unarmed. What he didn't say is that at least two of the officers that shot him were BLACK!!! so how is this racism? According to initial reports, this was a drug bust gone bad. We don't know the whole story, but it isn't like the newspapers are presenting it.
And then this racist compares OJ Simpson to Mark Fuhrman?
Fuhrman--regardless of what you think of him as a human being was one of the --if not the--best and most competent detectives on the LAPD--he had a steller record and this was even brought out by the people that testified against him for making racist comments! How does this compare to being charged with murdering two innocent people--one of which is the mother of your own children???
So what does this black racist red neck do? Rabb compares the two and says that Simpson is being "victimized." Is there anyone in the United States today that does not believe that Simpson butchered his wife and killed an innocent man?--especially since they just planned on launching a TV episode on "how he might have done it--if He would have done it?"
To show how disgustingly racist this guy really is, imagine a white guy saying these things about black innocents!!
And then he talks about driving in another state and having a discussion with police officers and "challenging them." Ohh big racism here...
Well I got news for this little racist twerp. I'm white, and I did that and I have landed in jail!!!
And one of the reasons I did was because I dared challenge a "police officer" that followed me on a lonely country road for more than six miles because I happen to be white. You see in the state that I live in when you're "white," you're racially profiled to be an automatic drunk driver. So if you happen to be driving anytime after midnight to 6 in the morning you will always be followed with suspicion--because of the color of your skin.
It seems that the racial profile of a typical drunken driver is a middle class white guy. This obviously is perfectly legal against a white man--but of course racist and discriminatory if it is applied to a minority or a black person or a woman.
I notice this black red neck pansey doesn't talk about all the real serious truly unjust issues that honestly plague Black Americans--and you know why??--because this guy is of the new breed of black racists--the guys that talk the talk but really have never walked the walk.
This is just another black effete dilettante lip synching to a song he really doesn't know the words to.
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Posted by: bigthilo on Dec 9, 2006 5:52 PM
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1. turn off engin. 2. turn on interior lights. 3. Put both hands 10 an 2 on the wheel.
3. Listen to officer requests and tell him exaclty what you are doing to fullfil, like going to the glove box. Make sure officer can see clearly what your hands are doing. 4. Tell the complete truth.
5. Do not resist in any way, you will get tazer or spray or gun (no matter what color.) 6. be polite and thank the officer for settin you straight and accept the ticket. 7. Do not stand out in any way so that you can challenge the ticket later in court where he might not remember you.
8. Don't be a black person (hey joke everyone gets the treatment they ask for) Do not argue with the police, get a lawyer to do that. 9. don't drive drunk.
10. BE POLITE, respect that the officer is always in danger of some crazy attack by some drunk fool, admit and thank the officer because he only gets paid around 2k a month to get shot at. He just wants to get his kids through school like anyone else.
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Posted by: Burton on Dec 10, 2006 3:24 PM
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The problem in both of these cases is that the police were going after people for victimless crimes: drugs, firearms, sex work (imagine sex work in a strip club!). As long as we have laws against victimless crimes, we will have innocent peoples' lives destroyed by the police. The police will act like secret police, spying on people in their homes, kicking in doors, gunning down the innocent.
So I ask again: why on earth does the left NOT take to the streets in protest against, say, the war on drugs? Back in the 1960s ending drug prohibition was one of the big issues putting millions of people into the streets in protest.
Why does the left oppose the war in Iraq but not the war on drugs, which has destroyed far more lives and trashed more civil liberties than the PATRIOT ACT? Why does the left support homosexual rights but not sex worker rights? Why does the left call for radical action, then demand gun control which would give the state a monopoly on the means of force?
Thoughts?
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Posted by: sgtstan on Dec 12, 2006 8:14 AM
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Intelligence is not the ability to regurgitate information. Intelligence is the ability to apply learned information across a wide spectrum of unrelated activity and experience. Though highly complex, the human brain follows the path of least resistance in certain matters, especially survival.
If in my first encounter with a dog, its loud bark and bared sharp teeth terrify me, my brain will transfer that learned experience across the spectrum of similar creatures or objects that are loud or that have sharp teeth, regardless of their actual immediate threat to me. One could describe me as prejudiced against dogs. Likewise, if I place my hand on a lit stove, I am highly unlikely to quickly place my hand near anything that radiates heat or glows red. This mental mechanism is about survival, nothing more.
But intelligence also means the ability to accumulate information from sources other than personal experience. To ensure survival, the brain can also take information from passed on familial beliefs, social interactions or social stimuli. This way, the body/brain avoids pain while benefiting from others’ experience/knowledge. Unfortunately, not all that learned information is based on fact.
To put it another way, for pure survival and for ease of operation, the brain wants to identify, categorize and organize the world in the most basic of terms.
So, are our prejudices ever going to go away? No, and believe that as if your life depended on it, and it does. What can go away is the mistreatment of individuals based on racial expectations or prejudiced notions.
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Posted by: sgtstan on Dec 12, 2006 9:50 AM
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And it’s easy to keep the blame focused so neatly on those brutal, racist bastard cops. Just look what they did to poor innocent Sean Bell “…hours before his wedding.” How can we believe that anyone would be doing anything illegal just “…hours before his wedding!” Unfortunately, you just happened to leave out the little fact that Bell and his friends were all previously arrested for illegal possession of guns, and that the driver attempted to run down the officer twice prior to the start of the shooting. To keep the mythos going, one uses all the tricks, conveniently omitting fact while playing on the readers’ emotions.
But bringing up OJ Simpson in your argument about discrimination by law enforcement is unforgivable. Granted, I have not lived the black experience in these United States, nor have you lived the white experience. But I have to believe our common witness to Simpson’s televised trial would transcend any differences and lead an intelligent mind to a guilty verdict. Simpson is the poster boy for brutality and injustice, not due his race, but due his premeditated criminal acts and his recent insistence on remaining a public figure. That a jury did not convict him is further example of the willingness to believe the myth of the “man.”
I, for one, am tired of people telling me what dirty, crooked, racist, brutal bastards cops are. This article is merely the railing against the most accessible authority figure, because it’s easier to do this than for us to accept any personal responsibility. Does prejudice exist within every member of this society? Absolutely. Does prejudice affect every arrest, every ticket, every contact a police officer makes? “Well…I can’t prove it… but I know its true… because you don’t know what it is to be a black man…” Does being a black man involve putting the blame on others, or perhaps utter paranoia? I know that neither is true.
This society, over the past hundred years, has progressively given up the citizens’ responsibility for keeping order within it, relegating its ‘parenthood’ to those in uniform, so that the rest of us can go about our business of living our lives without the wolf showing up. And we’re always pleased to hear how some criminal was caught and punished, as long as it’s not us. And when it is us, why then, we’d better take a stand, because our minds won’t let us admit that maybe we were wrong, maybe we made a mistake, maybe we broke the law.
Oh no; those dirty bastards must be out to get us.
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Posted by: bob t on Dec 13, 2006 7:34 AM
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