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Rights and Liberties

The United States v. George Bush

By Elizabeth de la Vega, Tomdispatch.com. Posted November 28, 2006.


What would the case against George Bush for intelligence fraud in the leadup to the war in Iraq look like? A former federal prosecutor lays out her case to an imaginary grand jury, and all she needs is the evidence available in the public record to make her case.
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United States v. George W. Bush et al. by Elizabeth de la Vega (Seven Stories Press and Tomdispatch.com, 2006).
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Following is an excerpt from Elizabeth de la Vega's new book, United States v. George W. Bush et al. (Seven Stories Press and Tomdispatch.com, 2006).

"Elizabeth de la Vega, appearing on behalf of the United States." That is a phrase I've uttered hundreds of times in twenty years as a federal prosecutor. I retired two years ago. So, obviously, I do not now speak for any U.S. Attorney's Office, nor do I represent the federal government. This should be apparent from the fact that I am proposing a hypothetical indictment of the President and his senior advisers -- not a smart move for any federal employee who wishes to remain employed. Lest anyone miss the import of this paragraph, let me emphasize that it is a disclaimer: I am writing as a private citizen.

Obviously, as a private citizen, I cannot simply draft and file an indictment. Nor can I convene a grand jury. Instead, in the following pages I intend to present a hypothetical indictment to a hypothetical grand jury. The defendants are President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell. The crime is tricking the nation into war -- in legal terms, conspiracy to defraud the United States. And all of you are invited to join the grand jury.

We will meet for seven days. On day one, I'll present the indictment in the morning and in the afternoon I will explain the applicable law. On days two through seven, we'll have witness testimony, presented in transcript form, with exhibits.

As is the practice in most grand jury presentations, the evidence will be presented in summary form, by federal agents -- except that these agents are hypothetical. (Any relationship to actual federal agents, living or deceased, is purely coincidental.)

On day seven, when the testimony is complete, I'll leave the room to allow the grand jury to vote.

If the indictment and grand jury are hypothetical, the evidence is not. I've prepared for this case, just as I would have done for any other case in my years as a prosecutor, by reviewing all of the available relevant information. In this case, such information consists of witness accounts, the defendants' speeches, public remarks, White House press briefings, interviews, congressional testimony, official documents, all public intelligence reports, and various summaries of intelligence, such as in the reports of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the 9/11 Commission. I've discarded any evidence, however compelling, that is uncorroborated.

Then, using a sophisticated system of documents piled on every surface in my dining room, I've organized and analyzed the reliable information chronologically, by topic, and by defendant. I've compared what the President and his advisers have said publicly to what they knew and said behind the scenes. Finally, I've presented the case through testimony that will, I hope, make sense and keep everybody awake.

After analyzing this evidence in light of the applicable law, I've determined that we already have more than enough information to allow a reasonable person to conclude that the President conducted a wide-ranging effort to deceive the American people and Congress into supporting a war against Iraq. In other words, in legal terms, there is probable cause to believe that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell violated Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States. Probable cause is the standard of proof required for a grand jury to return an indictment. Consequently, we have more than sufficient evidence to warrant indictment of the President and his advisers.

Do I expect someone to promptly indict the President and his aides? No. I am aware of the political impediments and constitutional issues relating to the indictment of a sitting president. Do those impediments make this merely an empty exercise? Absolutely not.

I believe this presentation adds a singular perspective to the debate about the President's use of prewar intelligence: that of an experienced federal prosecutor. Certainly, scholars and experts such as Barbara Olshansky, David Lindorff, Michael Ratner, John Dean, and Elizabeth Holtzman have written brilliantly about the legal grounds for impeachment that arise from the President's misrepresentations about the grounds for an unprovoked invasion of Iraq. But for most Americans, the debate about White House officials' responsibility for false preinvasion statements remains fixed on, and polarized around, the wrong question: Did the President and his team lie about the grounds for war? For many, the suggestion that the President lied is heresy, more shocking than a Baptist minister announcing during vespers that he's a cross-dresser. For many others -- indeed, now the majority of Americans -- that the President lied to get his war is a given, although no less shocking.

So my goals are threefold. First, I want to explain that under the law that governs charges of conspiracy to defraud, the legal question is not whether the President lied. The question is not whether the President subjectively believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The legal question that must be answered is far more comprehensive: Did the President and his team defraud the country? After swearing to uphold the law of the land, did our highest government officials employ the universal techniques of fraudsters -- deliberate concealment, misrepresentations, false pretenses, half-truths -- to deceive Congress and the American people?


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Elizabeth de la Vega is a former federal prosecutor with more than 20 years of experience. During her tenure, she was a member of the Organized Crime Strike Force and Chief of the San Jose Branch of the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California. She may be contacted at ElizabethdelaVega@Verizon.net.

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Looks like a solid case
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 28, 2006 12:53 AM   
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I think there is a similar proposal regarding the illegal wiretapping - although the Justice Department has decided, post-election, to do an "Internal Investigation" of the matter- a whitewash. That's not going to fly. If you want to spy on people using illegal methods, you're going to pay for it in a court of law. Time to write the new Democratic Congress and insist on an independent investigation.

The Iraq war is also grounds for imprisonment, as this article so clearly shows. I'm going to print this out and send it to every representative and elected official in my area. It's beautiful, and everyone should read it. I can almost hear the prison doors clanging shut behind them. I think all those dead people in Iraq, regardless of where they came from, would like to see their real killers held accountable. Thanks!

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» It's just a conspiracy theory. Posted by: jreinhart1
» RE: Looks like a solid case Posted by: etyler
Waste of Time
Posted by: edith on Nov 28, 2006 1:04 AM   
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courts are unelected. they usually do not second guess any president, good or bad, in foreign policy judgements. the solution for high crimes as they are described in the constitution, is impeachment. That is indictment and then trila in the Senate for removal of a President.

progressives should not be so enamored of courts. Courts can be arbitrary fora where popular will is frustrated, juries notwithstanding.

Everyone knows a grand jury would indict "a ham sandwich". The question of fraud is a legal question that a judge, not a jury, would first have to find applicable to a President, before facts that underlie fraud are determined.

This is a cute intellectual exercise but a waste of the public's time. Bottom line is how to end the war as quickly as possible.Courts, with their appeals and motions to dismiss on procedural grounds, are the last place, even slower than Congress, to end a war quickly.

Theoretically you could jail Cheney and Bush, and the war would continue under Hilary or Pelosi because of "facts on the ground today" which are not part of the "fraud" for which you've just jailed W and Dick.

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» RE: Waste of Time Posted by: rsaxto
» RE: Waste of Time Posted by: HeroesAll
» Legal Common Sense Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Bogus distraction Posted by: jwg
» RE: Bogus distraction Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Bogus distraction Posted by: rsaxto
» RE: Legal Common Sense Posted by: rsaxto
» RE: Waste of Time Posted by: Cousin Jack
» RE: At least you trolls stick together Posted by: Conservasaurus
» A Man of Naughty Thoughts Posted by: edith
» RE: Not Cute Posted by: oregoncharles
» yup Posted by: edith
» RE: Waste of Time Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Waste of Time Posted by: rsaxto
real truth
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 28, 2006 1:21 AM   
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Lizzy has me in a tizzy with the real truth serum: knowledge, reason and planning. Her experience fully guarantees the the validity of her conclusions. Are you listening, Nancy Pelosi? You must help IMPEACH to bring the criminal conspirators and war criminals to justice. If not impeachment then we are guaranteed that future inhabitants of the White House will be criminals as well. We need a good society not a crooked one.

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Impeach???
Posted by: Intraspecto on Nov 28, 2006 1:31 AM   
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Oh wait, Cheney died of a heart attack, and Bush- well he is living out his days in a south American non-extradition country, on a large 100,00 acre range playing farmer.

Isn't it odd that the Bush family has procurred such assets OUTSIDE of America? I am thinking that they may flee...or attempt to do so.

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» RE: Impeach??? Posted by: Gisele
I'm Disqualified
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 28, 2006 2:10 AM   
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Oh, Damn! Sorry folks but I must remove myself from this jury. You see, in my neck of the woods (Orange County, New York, sixty miles north of New Yorl City) I've damn near become famous in my condemnation of this reprehensible, half-witted piece of shit - I'm refering to the president of the United States. If you're traveling within one-hundred miles from where I live, you can spot my blue, Oldsmobile van: it's the one with the giant "IMPEACH BUSH" signs on either side!

Come to think of it, there's hardly an American out there who could deliver an objective, unbiased verdict one way or another. No, my belief is that we ought to just hand the dispicable little bastard and Dick Cheney over to the Haig for war crimes and be done with it.

Just look at the mess that Iraq has become. Hats off to the people at NBC News. They have announced that from this day forward, the mess in that country will be called what every thinking person has been calling it for at least a year: civil war. Poor David Gregory. His job just got a whole lot harder. Is there anyone out there stupid enough to believe that George W. Bush won't be remembered as the worst president in US history? Please make yourselves known.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: I'm Disqualified Posted by: rsaxto
» RE: I'm Disqualified Posted by: Tom Degan
» Dutch, not English Posted by: brunowe
» RE: I'm Disqualified Posted by: badkitty
» RE: I'm Disqualified Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: I'm Disqualified Posted by: Tom Degan
» There is one party in the US Posted by: vangogh69
» RE: I'm Disqualified Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: I'm Disqualified Posted by: pedex
Modern Day Spin- What to do?
Posted by: drricklippin on Nov 28, 2006 3:35 AM   
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Indeed, modern-day spin has vanquished substance so thoroughly that even the most well-grounded charge of deliberate deception is often considered more despicable than the deception itself. says de la Vega. Alas, she is correct- this is major stumbling block to achieving her goal. What to do?

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa

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I MOVE TO IMPEACH
Posted by: Cousin Jack on Nov 28, 2006 4:06 AM   
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I MOVE TO IMPEACH ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, more so Cheney than Bush, as he is the Bigger Dick. According to the Peter Principle, we rise to the level of our incompetency.. From what I see on TV, some rise way beyond that. How incompetent do you have to be before enough Americans get it. Thank you for your writings and the stand you take. I no longer gamble, so when it comes to my country, I'm with you..........................I"M ALL IN. Break the hold of the pseudoChristian European Descent White Supremacists.

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When she finishes this,
Posted by: WhatNow? on Nov 28, 2006 4:14 AM   
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I'd like to see what she can do with RICO laws, especially considering War is a Racket

Elizabeth de la Vega has written a very interesting idea. I do think think she has omitted several if not many who ought to be indicted too.

It is too bad she retired. It is nice to see that some people might still believe in public service. It seems as if republicans in particular have been trying for almost 30 years to eliminate anybody in the government that might believe in public service instead of furthering their own interests.

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Hollow words. Nothing will be done thanks to the left bait and switch.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Nov 28, 2006 4:25 AM   
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Although the American people overwhelmingly want impeachment, if for no other reason but to make a statement to future administrations, the incoming Democrats and existing diseased legislature will do nothing. The fake progressives and left wing gate keepers will let the criminals stay in office and continue the slaughter of people in the middle east in a war that will last as long as those of the middle ages. Rahm Emmanuel saw to it that there will only be an expansion of middle east war. Those that would have pulled out of Iraq now received no funding or support from the DNC and DLC. Some "Americans" delight in the work black ops and mercenaries that create Iraq, especially Democrats. They all vote xxx-0 for more war, and the 110th congress will be even worse, as Lebanon and Gaza deteriorates with the blessing of the US and condemnation from every other country.

With S. 1145, the final nail will be driven into America's coffin. PC will destroy any intelligent discourse and debate, and even scientific research. The author has continually moved down this path of political self righteousness, just as the Nation's Katrina van-den Heuvel has done. We will all be walking on eggshells except for a special few which will have free reign over any topic. The official story will become the lies on top of our current history of lies that no one will be able to discuss, regardless of how sound the facts of research around any investigation is.

Meanwhile, the media will continue their propaganda and conditioning of the American people for the war and increase the general population's hate for people from the middle east. It has and will be programmed in the shows that many watch and the one sided news that is an international embarrassment.

This Case against Bush has already gone up in smoke. Just like the "research", lies and the cover-up commission of 9/11/01 where sound science has become a joke. The LAST group to expect any real movement for impeachment are the same people that voted against Cynthia McKinney, and Tammy Duckworth who lost both legs in Iraq. Rahm and his bait and switch buddies put on a show, not an election. Speaking truth to power is not acceptable to the two party duopoly that dress up their pigs for show in front of the people. No money comes the way of representatives that consider the people first over special interests such as Rahm's desire to continue to war in Iraq or spread it farther.

There will be no change, and the war will get worse and middle and lower America will get crushed. IMO, "The United States v. George Bush" is an article of nothing but hollow words of an administration that has destroyed the foundations of which this country is based on, along with a rubber stamp militaristic congress that shows no regret or remorse in an offensive war of aggression in which it always supports with funding xxx-0! Left wing gatekeepers are no different from the right, just more subtle.

For more information of US militarism, see:
John Stockwell: The Third World War
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm

The London Times "El Salvador-style 'death squads' to be deployed by US against Iraq
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1433353,00.html

Contracting “Clean Break” Chaos in Iraq
kurtnimmo.com/?p=675

"The Secret Government" PBS video at video.google.com/videoplay? docid=2397496401234089687&q=secret

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rtfsqn
Posted by: rtfsqn on Nov 28, 2006 4:54 AM   
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Deliver the whole lot of them into the hands of the Iraqi people: Bush, Chenet, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Tenet, and perhaps more than a few congressman and senators. Drop them off on the streets of Baghdad, and let the Iraqi people do with them as they will. Let the mob tear them apart--literally--just as their bombs tore the bodies of tens of thousands of Iraqis apart.

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» RE: rtfsqn Posted by: badkitty
» RE: rtfsqn/ Love this idea! Posted by: 1984NOW!!!
» RE: rtfsqn Posted by: moflard
This Is Much Bigger Than Iraq!!
Posted by: JCR on Nov 28, 2006 4:57 AM   
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No amount of hypothesizing is going to bring us closer to the ultimate goal of impeachment, and dare I say it, criminal proceedings. Let's just call a spade a spade and admit that Iraq has officially slid into a state of civil war. With hundreds of thousands already dead and literally hundreds more dying every day, the seriousness of Dumya's petro-war gambit is obvious even to the staunchest neocon dipshit. I also think it's pretty apparent that Iran is still very much "on the table" as are the options being contemplated in an offensive strike. The dollar is tanking and with it the US economy. This administration, with back against the wall, is rapidly running out of options. The stage is set for something quite drastic.

The changing of the guard (House and Senate) has temporarily lulled us into a false sense of security. Many are laboring under the misapprehension that the Dems are somehow duty bound to call for an immediate withdrawal - cutting and running if you will. Many, however, are not. They realize that Democrats may even opt to throw more meat into the grinder, increasing troop strength by another 20K. These are band-aid measures for gaping wounds. It simply won't do.

If it isn't apparent by now, this war was most likely the opening act in a series of military engagements that would presumably corner the global oil trade, ensuring the continuity of the ever-anemic greenback and hence our decadent way of life. Indeed, it appears to be the only manner in which to do so at this point. The other options are much simpler but infinitely more unlikely. The first would be to cut military spending drastically (HA!) or dramatically reduce personal spending on things like Playstation 3's, shiny new Hondas and about anything on the shelves at your local Wal-Mart or Target. I know - that's like asking a lifelong alcoholic to give up booze for the good of the nation.

We all know that the people of Iraq are suffering needlessly, as are our own soldiers, but what we don't seem to realize is that this country is steadily drifting towards some very serious hardships in its own right. Americans are soft, having long since grown accustomed to the accoutrements of our modern, consumer wonderland. A reliable if not criminal banking system, relatively easy access to food, energy and housing and lots of worthless shit to make us feel like we're bettering ourselves. Countrywide and Fanny Mae are about to give millions of American home"owners" the smackdown while China bides its time, salivating at the prospect of bringing the world's foremost superpower to its knees without even firing a shot. Maybe they'll wait until after Christmas to start unloading our worthless scrip. The point is that BushCo is bankrupting this country, morally and financially. They have to go - now! We cannot rely on politicians to do this for us. Too much is at stake.

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» RE: This Is Much Bigger Than Iraq!! Posted by: revolutionary80
» RE: This Is Much Bigger Than Iraq!! Posted by: revolutionary80
who'll defend?
Posted by: Ripcord on Nov 28, 2006 5:48 AM   
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Truth depends on an adverserial system.

For objectivity, shouldn't we appoint a public defender to represent those appearing before the Grand Jury?

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» RE: who'll defend? Posted by: zedaker
» RE: who'll defend? Posted by: oregoncharles
I've been calling it fraud for years
Posted by: zedaker on Nov 28, 2006 5:55 AM   
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and I was sure some lawyer out there was working on putting this case together.

Thank you, counselor, thank you.

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Justice is dead.
Posted by: ssegallmd on Nov 28, 2006 6:07 AM   
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Justice was gang raped, mutilated and left for dead in this country. Why are people still pretending otherwise? Dream on.

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IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 28, 2006 6:39 AM   
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If Nancy Pelosi successfully impeached Bush, CHeney would also go. Putting her in the White House, creating more national hysteria. Even though it would be legitimate. I believe that Congress would be required to act on a petition that contained one million signatures of registered voters. Anyone familiar with that, please comment. But this doesn't end with Nancy Pelosi. But I do believe that she would be a good president. Thanks, ANNA

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» Nancy Pelosi for President?! Posted by: vangogh69
» Oh Please Posted by: whisper
» RE: Oh Please Posted by: VZEQICVA
love the article
Posted by: revolutionary80 on Nov 28, 2006 7:45 AM   
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Great article, I will be checking back to finish reading. I like the "Kitty" analogy it is so true. I think we are all waiting for someone with balls to step up and act but that is not going to happen, one person cant do it we the people must fight for it because in reality we are the government we have just been manipulated to think we are not. Who is paying for the Iraq War? us Who can have the President impeached? us
If we are waiting for the Democrats to do it, then it will never happen. Remember you are the government not them.

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IMPeACH and JAIL BUSH
Posted by: thinkverybig on Nov 28, 2006 8:24 AM   
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Right On... Let's get this going ASAP.

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Legal question
Posted by: brunowe on Nov 28, 2006 8:28 AM   
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Don't the federal fraud statutes also require that the accused have obtained something of value. I'm not sure if they're really designed to cover lying to get a policy enacted. Having said that, since this is impeachment and not a criminal prosecution, strict adherence to the statute isn't necessary as the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" isn't self-defining. The crux in impeachment is the abuse of executive power.

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False Premises in the article
Posted by: vangogh69 on Nov 28, 2006 8:42 AM   
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While this article is a nice example of intellectual "what if's" (aka in non-polite circles as "intellectual masterbation"), the article proceed from the premise of a White House which acts within the rule of law, which acts with the best interests of the people in mind, and which cares about protecting the democratic principles (marginal as they are, let's keep it real) upon which this country was founded. It's a nice fantasy, but really, it's a bit late in the game for it.

First off, a real indictment against Bush would also, if it's really lawful, indict a bunch of other people, dems and reps alike. That said, it's a bit grotesque that the author puts the number of Iraqi dead at around 20,000 when the semi-official number is half a million (in 3 years!) and the un-official number (also known as Bush's own estimate) at 30,000. To be comparable to dead in the USA, would that be about a 3rd of our population killed in 3 years? Incredible!

No no, they'll be no charges against Bush, just as no one was jailed for Katrina and no one for 9/11. As I've said before, "Kiss me before you fuck me, please."

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The jury is out on the jury.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 28, 2006 8:49 AM   
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This article is what we need: someone with the qualifications to apply logic and reason and the rigors of the court to what has become a spin orgy on the public airwaves. However, like many, I worry that nothing will come of it, because we have become largely like Kitty Genovese's bystanders – with the added fear that the murderer will turn on us as well.

(Witness Patriot Act, illegal wiretaps on american citizens, the destruction of habeas corpus and the move to make it necessary to get Homeland Security's permission to leave the country, not to mention all those detention centers being built by Halliburton right here in the good ol' USA, purpose undisclosed – and all of this either legislated or condoned by our supposed representatives in Congress.)

If, though, the criminals in the Bush administration, including the President, are not brought before the court, if the Rule of Law and the Constitution are not upheld, regardless of the political consequences, then America is finished. Oh, it will still exist in name, but the reality will be more like a Reich than a Republic.

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» RE: The jury is out on the jury. Posted by: VannaLaRoche
outsidea
Posted by: outsidea on Nov 28, 2006 9:53 AM   
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During the Dem. party's primaries a few months back I was circulating an impeach Bush petition to the delegates at the county level primaries. I approached a middle of the road type party leader and asked if he'd had the chance to sign yet. I knew he probably would not sign, but wanted to hear his reasons. He carefully read the petition and then handed the clip board back to me saying...."Well no, I wont sign this at this time thank you." I asked him why and he responded that he agreed that the Pres should be impeached, but that it was not a good idea at this time (and get this) because the impeachment proceedings had been discredited by the repubs!!! "But these are the same guys that cheerleaded the President in his illegal invasion of Iraq based on lies we can expose them as well as discredit them! That surely rises to the level of high crimes...way more important than a blow job in the oval office don't you think?" He said yes it does, but its not the right thing to do right now!

Yeah right I thought to myself, the DLC strikes again. What a bunch of jerks.

Lets support this effort in any way that we can...the more noise we make the more people will learn and perhaps get off their cowardly asses and take some actions in the streets!

Joseph

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Yeah, impeach if
Posted by: vkobaya on Nov 28, 2006 10:54 AM   
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at the same time, they impeach his coconspirators, cheerleaders, accessories, enablers and accomplices, the DLC.

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» RE: Ah, the crux... Posted by: oregoncharles
The World Can't Wait
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 28, 2006 1:12 PM   
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Impeachment is vital just to stop the bleeding. Here's the case - or part of it (she doesn't even mention the war crimes or violation of other laws.) But it's utterly clear that the Dems don't want to impeach Bush, possibly because they are themselves so implicated in many of his crimes.

Now it's up to us to apply enough pressure to get them off their reluctant asses. The million-signature petition proposed above is a good idea, but I suspect it will take more than that, like a prolonged ruckus in front of the Capitol. Bringing it to every single representative's home office might be a good idea, too. For the time being, let's just deluge them with phone calls & e-mails. How many times can we shut down the Congressional server?

Go for it.

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NO impeachment
Posted by: Melvin on Nov 28, 2006 1:39 PM   
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The USA cannot be trusted to try; yet alone convict the vicious band of murderers you have controlling your country.
They must go to the Hague & face charges of genocide & other awful crimes against humanity.
A trial at the Hague will give a little credibilty to the USA (& it sure needs some) and that it means what it says(at this time).
Should Bush & Cheney etc finish up jailed for life,as Rudolph Hess was, they will for the rest of their natural lifes be an example to others of what not to do. If the Bush regieme is not prosecuted I doubt we,the world, will see too many changes in foreign policy from the USA. The USA is controlled by very big money & your two party system revels in it.

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» When is Murder OK? Posted by: Artkansas
http://www.ricksiegel.com/
Posted by: rwa on Nov 28, 2006 2:03 PM   
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" On September 7, 2006 the BBC showed a special anniversary program for the anniversary of 911 events. The show was called "911: The TwinTowers". The video is of great significance as you can see and hear the Tower being demolished and hear the sequence of charges.

The sound allegedly has not been enhanced in any way and is even distorted by the Google encoding yet sets itself in accord with the testimony of most eyewitness testimony. That includes testimony from the FDNY firefighters.

The building had 114 floors and took approximately 10 seconds to collapse. In this video fourteen explosions can be heard in a period of 5 seconds dispelling any belief in a "pancake theory".

While more and more evidence piles up and the floodgates are ready to burst one ponders what it will take for the people to finally get up and kick the people subverting the indictments into jail. Instead we note that they have now been promoted to higher positions of power/ they have passed more draconian laws stripping more freedoms and liberties in the belief that it will save us from the invisible enemy who cannot be killed.

If you or yours were murdered, would you not hope for a murder investigation? 3000 people died in NYC that day and there has not been one murder investigation, indictment or trial for any crime. Not one.

The government cover-up starts there. Indict the criminals

Rudolph Giuliani
Destruction of 3000 murder crime scenes
250 murders of Firemen - Knowingly allowing 250 firemen to stay in the Towers when he had for warning of them coming down.

Christine Todd Whitman
Causing pain, suffering and death to 1000's of workers who depended on her claim to safe air.

George W. Bush
Job Negligence in protecting the nation
Criminal invasion of another nation under false pretenses
Murder of 100,000 Iraqi's
Murder of 3000 US service people

Larry Silverstein
Insurance Fraud
Murder
Theft
Tax Fraud
SEC Fraud
Trading with the Enemy

I could go on but if you do not start somewhere you will never get anywhere."

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US vs George Bush et al.
Posted by: peta on Nov 28, 2006 2:24 PM   
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The ballot has spoken. Now the world is watching & waiting to see whether the American people have the stomach to follow through, to hold the architects of lies, deception & atrocity, accountable for what was done in their name.

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Ok, Ok, Ok
Posted by: jwg on Nov 28, 2006 2:49 PM   
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So a grand jury for the administration is a pipe dream. It appears the Democrates have other fish to fry than impeachment. I am pinning my hopes on congressional investigations to reveal what are truths we as a nation can't live with anymore, for all of us to put a stop to this bad dream.

However it has also occured to me that our whole house of cards from sea to shining sea may collapse should those investigatons happen. That fear alone is enough for the millionaires club that wants to run this country to quake in their patent leather shoes. They will have to think of something else to distract us.

We are after all living out that old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times!".

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A collective admission of mulitple failures?
Posted by: Serafim Tkachuk on Nov 28, 2006 3:32 PM   
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Did a failure in the 2000 electoral process put the wrong person in office? Did justice fail in allowing that person to claim the office? Did Mass Media fail in the uncritical propagation of fraud? Did Congress fail in their uncritical acceptance of this fraud, and the ensuing war? Did the electoral process fail again in 2004? Did the very people of the United States of America -- your neighbors and mine -- fail in re-electing the liars again?

With tens or hundreds of thousands dead, a mountain of war debt on our shoulders, a growing realization that the sources we depend on for information are liars, a national self-image that's unrealistically optimistic at best, a global image summed best summed up by the words "Evil Empire", is it time to admit the republic has undergone multiple organ failure and is hanging on to its life by the barest thread? How now to breathe life back into it?

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Walt
Posted by: Walt on Nov 28, 2006 3:32 PM   
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The Democrats have been telling us all along that George W. Bush and his administration have sent our boys, under false pretenses, to be slaughtered in an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation; that he has violated our own laws ( wiretapping, torture, holding prisoners without charges or legal repreentation, etc.). Through the electoral process, we have empowered the Democrats to act on our behalf and to hold this administration accountable for these transgressions. If the Democrats do not now initiate impeachment proceedings against those about whom they have been so vocal in the past, that would appear to be prima facie evidence that the interests of the American people are behind other interests on their priority list.

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Biggest Fraud
Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 28, 2006 3:53 PM   
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The Iraq War, together with the War on Terror, is a smoke screen for the larger fraud. I am speaking of the largest tranfer of wealth, from the many to the few, in history. Many have complained about the $6 billion a month going down the rat hole of Iraq. That money isn't going down a rat hole, its going into a few rats' pockets.
Corporate profits are growing as wages shrink, pensions disappear, and medical insurance slowly but inevitably covers fewer and fewer people. The squabbling over Iraq provides a wonderful smoke screen as, day by day, dollar by dinar, economic power, the only real power there is, is concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people.
That is the real fraud. That is the grandest theft there has ever been.

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good but 1,200% wrong
Posted by: verite on Nov 28, 2006 4:26 PM   
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"possibly many more than 50,000 Iraqis killed"

655,000 Iraqis killed by illegal USUK attack and during the USUK occupation. Includes the USUK Falluja massacres but omitting others more recent.

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