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How to Stop the November Elections From Being Stolen
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Emotions are running high as the midterm election approaches, and polls show Democrats are ahead in many key congressional races. Less than two weeks before the Nov. 7 election, the latest Associated Press-AOL News poll found that likely voters overwhelmingly prefer Democrats over Republicans.
Voters are angry with President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress, and say Iraq and the economy are their top issues. In the poll, 56 percent of likely voters said they would vote to send a Democrat to the House, and 37 percent said they would vote Republican -- a 19-point difference. Only 12 percent of likely voters say they are enthusiastic about the administration. The percentage of those who say they are angry with it has grown to 40 percent from 32 percent in early October."
In the light of such overwhelming poll numbers, Democrats and progressives sense the opportunity to win back at least one of the houses of Congress, perhaps both, ending the iron rule of the Republicans. But -- there is a big "but."
The hope of many Democrats for success on Nov. 7 is sharply tempered by still-fresh memories of perceived Democratic victories turned into defeat in 2000 and 2004. Even more disconcerting is the fact that since 2004, there has been overwhelming documentation of voter repression and fraud. The result is that many believe that past elections have been stolen, and efforts to prevent people from voting -- especially minorities -- have been successful.
Voter protection groups gearing up
In the face of the fear about what might be in store come election day, a veritable cottage industry of voter protection/election reform groups and coalitions has emerged. It includes ElectionDefenseAlliance.org, Do More Than Vote, VerifiedVoting.org and the Velvet Revolution, which has developed an Election Protection Strike Team (the Strike Team has offered rewards for evidence of fraud and have a hotline for people to call: 1-888 VOTETIP), and MoveOn.org has a comprehensive progressive voter contact program to reach out to voters.
Other innovative efforts are emerging and ratcheting up their operations for Nov. 7 to protect the vote and stymie the voter shenanigans that have frustrated the country in recent elections, including: Video the Vote, which is taking advantage of inexpensive video cameras and the internet, planning for their teams to be the eyes and ears of the voter protection effort. Meanwhile, Working Assets has created a Voter Protection Immediate Response Network for using text messaging to alert voters of problems where they may send a message about a short and easy action that could be taken -- like get more voting machines to a precinct that is overloaded.
Overcoming the negative expectations
However, part of the struggle leading up to the election is to neutralize negative expectations about voting and counting, as well as increased turnout amidst widespread worries that votes won't be counted or that voters will be turned away at the polls. Ronald Walters, director of the African American Leadership Institute at the University of Maryland, told Ian Urbina of the New York Times:
...[E]pisodes of voter suppression that were dismissed in 2000 as unfounded recurred in 2004 and were better documented because rights groups dispatched thousands of lawyers and poll watchers. In addition, the first national data-tracking tool, the Election Incident Reporting System, offered a national hotline that fed a database of what ended up to be 40,000 problems. This hotline is live for the 2006 election at 1-800-OUR-VOTE.Democratic strategist Donna Brazile told the Times, "This notion that elections are stolen and that elections are rigged is so common in the public sphere that we're having to go out of our way to counter them this year. This will be the first midterm election in which the Democratic Party is mobilizing teams of lawyers and poll watchers to check for irregularities, including suppression of the black vote, in at least a dozen of the closest districts."
The voting situation is dicey
It is no exaggeration to suggest that the overall voting situation is dicey and volatile. Advocates and experts who have exposed the system for its many failures are now faced with the fact that very little has been fixed or changed to make the system more transparent, accountable or trustworthy. In fact, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, writing in the Los Angeles Times suggests: "Election Day could bring a new round of problems, confusion and partisan rancor. Unproven electronic voting machines, stricter voter identification requirements in many states, new databases and partisan disputes over registration campaigns are all contributing to the concern."
Thus, the situation at the polls is arguably worse than in 2004, and the steady drumbeat of election fraud has had its impact. No one disagrees that the Republicans benefit from low turnout: the lower the better, to take advantage of their effective consumer voter targeting -- something that the Democrats have yet to master. In fact, some would say that Karl Rove is smiling at every report of election fraud and machine breakdown, thinking that it will make the Democratic voters more paranoid. Rove's recent assertion on NPR that, based upon "secret polls," the Republicans are going to keep control of Congress was evidence to some that the election was already being stolen.
Encouraging voters
So what do you tell voters to help them combat this psychological problem that could depress voting? "I tell voters we have to win by such an overwhelming margin that it isn't close enough to steal," says Bob Fertik, the head of Democrats.com, an activist website not part of the Democratic party, that calls its members "aggressive progressives." Robert Greenwald says, "This is no time to play victim, bemoaning all the problems in the voting system. Our job is to get people to the polls and make sure they can vote, and be absolutely tough about it. "
Fair voting advocate Brad Friedman, whose Bradblog.com has become possibly the most popular spot to gather information on all-things-voting, says: "There is absolutely zero evidence that speaking about this depresses voter turnout. In fact, I've found evidence suggesting precisely the opposite. Candidates across the country who have come out strong for electoral integrity have been winning huge at the box office so far this year."
According to Friedman, "It's not talking about election suppression that keeps folks from turning out. They know about these matters (a recent Zogby poll showed that 92 percent believe their votes should be counted transparently, 80 percent were against secret software counting their votes, and 62 percent had already heard about these concerns). It seems that when these issues are not discussed, people feel the system is rigged -- nobody in D.C. cares, so why should I bother to turn out?"
Time will tell as to whether this analysis is correct, but at the moment, there is some evidence to suggest otherwise, at least potentially for black voters. African-Americans are key constituencies in Senate races that are necessary for the Democrats to secure a majority -- particularly in Tennessee and Missouri, where African-American voters are the key to victory for Democrats.
But as the New York Times notes, a Pew Research Center report found that blacks were twice as likely now than they were in 2004 to say they had little or no confidence in the voting system, rising to 29 percent from 15 percent. And more than three times as many blacks as whites -- 29 percent versus 8 percent -- say they do not believe that their vote will be accurately tallied: "Long lines and shortages of poll workers in lower-income neighborhoods in the 2004 election and widespread reports of fliers with misinformation appearing in minority areas have had a corrosive effect on confidence, experts say."
The larger question of course is whether voters' negative experiences at the polls will diminish turnout, or will the overwhelming dissatisfaction with Bush and the Republicans, as noted in the polls, translate to substantial voter turnout?
Mark Crispin Miller, author of Fooled Again, who travels the country talking about election fraud, is clear that theft is on the Republican the agenda and isn't very confident that Democrats will be able to stop them. Miller says: "We need the national turnout to be very high because the GOP intends to steal this one, too. In other words, people should turn out to vote, not because they can be confident that their particular choices will prevail. It would be irresponsible to offer that assurance. Rather, the American people must turn out to vote as an essential protest on behalf of free and fair elections. To turn out on Nov. 7 is to make a statement of no confidence in Bush or his 'elections' and a call for the salvation of U.S. democracy. The higher the turnout, the harder it will be for the Republicans to spin their looming 'upset victory' as legitimate. That's why I advise against early and absentee voting -- because it will dilute the impact of the actual E-Day turnout."
The challenge to protect the vote
Democrats clearly have a big challenge on their hands. They need to run effective campaigns, pull out potentially discouraged voters, protect voting rights, document instances of voter suppression and election fraud, monitor voter counts and grapple with electronic machines that offer no transparency. Fortunately for the Dems, the stolen election issue has become a cause celebre, raising consciousness about the issues among many activists, and mobilizing people to fight for voter rights at the polls.
Mark Ritchie, a voter reform candidate, who is running hard to be secretary of state in Minnesota, says: "We know the policies that are needed to help ensure fairness, like paper ballots, Election Day registration and post-election random audits. We also know that we have to go beyond good policies to include active citizenship. Everyone needs to be a poll watcher. Every voter needs to know who to contact if there suspect any problems. Every person needs to feel empowered to make sure our elections are free and fair."
Blogger Friedman adds, "When we talk about these issues, people realize that someone does care, is fighting to make sure their vote is counted and counted accurately, and they are given tools to use to try and help make sure that will be the case." Democrats.com's Bob Fertik says, "We have to get involved in organized efforts to audit the elections by groups like ElectionDefenseAlliance.org, VelvetRevolution.us, BlackBoxVoting.org, etc. I'd also like to see Democratic voters hold candlelight vigils outside each county's board of elections after the polls close, holding signs saying 'Count Every Vote' and 'No More Stolen Elections!' Imagine a Blue Revolution, every bit as joyous and historic as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon, the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia -- right here in the United States of America."
So, when you add it all up, the consensus seems clear, if not a little daunting. For the Democrats to win big, as they hope, they must work for a large turnout and big voter margins. But especially in races where the margins are razor thin, active volunteers and voters must play their parts, encouraging voters, monitoring polls, documenting foul play, and insisting on voters rights. Only then, and of course this is a sad commentary on democracy in America, do they stand a chance of winning elections, even those where they have healthy advantages in the polls.
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» Then you better vote because the candidates ARE there.
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» Is this a national election? I understand voting strategy very well, thank you.
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» The Democrats had their chance, they rolled over when elections were clearly stolen
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» Please rethink what you're voting for
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» System will only work if we stop electoral fraud and end the influence of money
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» I see the Nader cost Gore Florida in 2000 myth is alive and well
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» Sounds good in principle...
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Posted by: edith on Oct 30, 2006 12:54 AM
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Maryland has two critical and close races: Steele v Cardin for the Senate, and Ehrlich(GOP gov who actually wants the machines replaced with paper ballots) v Martin O'Malley the Dem Mayor of Baltimore. I don't know that the machines as set up in MD favor either party. I do know they can't count and they leave little or no trail to audit.
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Posted by: scribbler on Oct 30, 2006 4:14 AM
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When I was young and self-righteous, I voted for Dick Gregory rather than Humphrey - and many anti-war 60s kids did the same so we got Tricky Dick. This round, in addition to working in a poll to watch and report from the inside for dirty tricks (other than invisible cybertricks), I'm voting straight Democratic to show the Republicans I don't like what they've done on all issues. Even if my vote is rigged. I'll deal with that after the election. If the the Democrats had been destroying our country and the world as badly as the Republicans have done, I'd vote against them too.
If you've ever visited a truly totalitarian dictatorship, you'll understand why I hope we won't sit home and be counted as the indifferent. Make the effort to go to the booth and do something, even if it's a loud, recorded vote for nobody. It's too easy to stay home. Go - and if you can't at least vote against the fat cats, just vote No.
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» I agree: apathy is not an option
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» Absolutely!
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Posted by: Bobsays on Oct 30, 2006 4:59 AM
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I have worked as a spotter to oversee the count, and it is fun to do. Everyone loves the buzz of the votes coming in and you meet interesting people (and even a few babes) when you are doing it. Why do you need machines?
It just seems like somebody is trying to introduce the opportunity to fiddle the election.
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» instant gratification
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Posted by: NoahKount on Oct 30, 2006 5:24 AM
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I carefully chose candidates & voted by mail in Florida in 2004, sent in my ballot with a return receipt, & never got my green card back. That in itself breaks the chain of custody to a properly counted & coded vote. If you attend election day festivities in Florida you also will not see a paper verification that your ballot was counted properly, though you will get a detailed paper receipt from any grocery store checkout. This is ridiculous!
Nobody has done anything about past election boondogles in 2000, 2002, or 2004. The single party Repuglerats continue to run all elections & hog all debate within their narrow paradigm, and nobody has been kicked out of office in disgrace & into jail for election fraud. Florida 2000 was not even recounted until a year after Bush assumed power. Congress has not held hearings on John Conyers Ohio 2004 election report. Most people in Florida are NOT even familiar with Palast's work on "felon" lists by DBT in the election 2000 fiaso. Katherine Harris is running for Senator here, not president of her jail-cell group.
It is an illegitimate fiasco, and I won't legitimize it by participating. Bush is eliminating your rights, - & one of them is the right to participate in a basically honest election process.
So, go participate in the fiasco, if it gives you a warm feeling inside.
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» True
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» Noah, then go to your polling place and PROTEST the FRAUD
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» I'll be very curious to see how Bob Bowman does, too
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» A pox on your democracy, then
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» ...or really the center.
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Posted by: champion on Oct 30, 2006 7:41 AM
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elections on Nov. 7th, then the end of the American way of life
will be totally snuffed out over the next two years.
It's almost gone as is, with dictator DUHbya, at the behest of his
masters, the international bankers, usurping OUR power with
this phoney "war on terror" bullshit.
The cabal of criminals have taken the Constitution, the Bill of
Rights, Habeus Corpus, etc., and spit all over them and us, ren-
dering them almost useless in their fight against terrorism.
The problem with it is that the enemy is within. The enemy is
themselves, not some Arab or Muslim terrorists. Wake up
people, the government cannot be trusted, NEVER, EVER!
Government(s) only care about their own existence. Money,
power, and territory acquisition through war is all they care
about, period. The international bankers, the REAL leaders
of the world, are turning this nation into their private police-
man of the world.
The more wars that can be started, the more their ultimate
dream of world domination can became reality. With each
country/nation conquered, the resources and the people are
exploited, used, and wiped out, then it's on to the next.
If we don't expose and stop these madmen now, then the
America and the rest of the world will soon be a one-world
dictatorship, run by these monsters with an iron fist.
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Posted by: Realman on Oct 30, 2006 7:54 AM
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If and when there are problems, then they must be dealt with.
Letting fear, dismay, frustration, hopelessness, whatever your excuse, trick you into not voting, or even thinking about not voting, is just what "they" (the usually Republican powers that be that want a supressed vote) want.
Just realize that whatever crap they're doing, it does not change the fact that, after all the excuses are made, voting is the best thing left for most of us to do on election day.
Some of us can do more.
Some of us may well find their vote is fraudulently discounted.
But your vote will *never* count if you don't cast it.
Channel those fears into actions to make elections accountable, and into fighting to ensure every vote cast this year is counted.
Fears are useful to tell you what needs doing. Fight. Don't flee.
- Bill
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» The clarion call to action
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» I second the motion.
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» Peaceful, non-violent protest and not violent revolution is the key: National Strikes Needed Nov. 11
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Oct 30, 2006 8:00 AM
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Rather than implementing commonsense measures to prevent corruption, the Bush regime and Republican dominated congress has aggressively used intimidation and deceit to ram through regulations and laws that actually do the opposite. Is this due to stupidity and incompetence, or criminal intent?
Consider for a moment that when congress has failed to pass legislation to achieve the rabid right’s agenda, Bush has issued orders to his political appointees in every agency of the Federal government, to implement regulations by Executive Decree. Regulations don’t abrogate laws passed by congress, but Bush has effectively short-circuited Congressional oversight by assuming dictatorial powers. While those who have bestowed on Bush the “Divine Right of Kings,” have no problem with this, half the population has been stripped of their rights in the process.
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Posted by: JCR on Oct 30, 2006 8:20 AM
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Halliburton, Exxon, Pfizer, Northrop, Raytheon, Wal-Mart, etc. will continue to get rich and pay off "lawmakers" and the wheel will go 'round and 'round. Oh right, I forgot - Dems don't do dirty and they really stand up for what they believe in: like rolling over for Republicans when voting overwhelmingly in favor of going to war after which they point and say "see, I told you so". Yes they are a bunch of tigers! Rrroowwww.
This election day hype is nice and all except we still use the antiquated electoral college, have a PATHETIC two-party system which ostensibly represents the interests of over 300 million and campaign finance that makes government the plaything of Wall Street. How about a parliamentary system (with proportional representation) where Republican senators actually have to forge alliances with Greens, Civil Libertarians and Dems? Electoral college - need I say more? Campaign finance, soft money, hard money, slush funds? What the fuck has this country become - the United States of Special Interests? Rhetorical question.
The greatest problem is a lack of actual "representation" and "accountability". Remember what that means? You're going to elect corrupt Dems and Repubs who will pay great lip-service but on November 8th, ACCOUNTABILITY goes out the window. They go on doing as they please and that is nobody's fault but John Q. American who doesn't honestly give a shit what is happening out there. Yeah some wring their hands and curse but at the end of the day it's back to letting the soft glow of garbage TV wash over them. Republicans, Democrats or men from mars won't change anything until the American people grow a spine (and brain as the case may be) and make their collective will a reality. Our problems have nothing to do with the party and everything to do with American ambivalence and complacency.
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» So bloody well do something, then
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» So show us what you're doing from/in New Zealand other than running your mouth here . .
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» RE: This is representative government? No!
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Posted by: redjenny on Oct 30, 2006 8:57 AM
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Watch this short video: Video the Vote
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Posted by: xbj on Oct 30, 2006 9:01 AM
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"Lizzie Borden took an axe,
Gave ES&S touchscreens forty whacks,
When she saw what she had done,
Gave old Diebold's forty-one"
A visit to the polls with axes, pick axes, pitchforks, and torches would end computer voting forever.
If not then, City Hall in the morning once the phony vote tallies describe the "'amazing' 'unforseen' 'unlikely' 'incredible' 'against-all-possible-odds'" GOP sweep of every race, including Lieberman, the GOP poster-child for war whoring and war profiteering as usual.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 30, 2006 9:05 AM
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This system will root out electronic fraud, ballot box stuffing, miscounting, etc. The key is to get the brain-dead media to recognize sleeze for what it is. I have a sense that it's going to take mobs in the street to get their attention.
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» RE: Voter fraud is easy to find
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Posted by: grmc1 on Oct 30, 2006 9:30 AM
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» Then just die
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» RE: Then just die
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» Nice one, edith!
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» RE: Nice one, edith!
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» Revolution in the Sky Makes You High
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» I'm glad edith didn't write the Declaration of Independence...
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» Haven't heard the news?
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 30, 2006 10:45 AM
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Even if that happens, you can expect the lobbyists who work for the firms that donated to the campaigns to come rushing in full-speed right after the election, arms full of bills written by company lawyers that they hope to get passed. If short, remember that the first few months after the election are very critical - being complacent is probably not a good idea.
As far as electronic voting goes, there is no reason for official vote counts to ever be sent over the internet or phone lines. If you have an optical scan machine counting voter-marked paper ballots, there are very secure and robust procedures to make sure that the count is accurately reported.
What they involve are a 'counting chip' that an quickly be tested for accuracy (as in a gambling casino or in a bank money-counting machine); the optical counting machine burns two compact discs with identical copies of the data; one disk stays locked in the machine and the other is transported to election headquarters. The paper ballots are stored in case a recount is needed.
While we're wishing, how about instituting an instant runoff voting system? Then the Greens and Libertarians could vote for whoever they wanted, and pick a second and third choice. The top two candidates in the intial round of voting then get the second round votes; thus a voter who chose Green 1st, Democratic 2nd would still have their vote count Democratic.
Still, go and vote. If the exit polls are high enough in the Democrats favor, than the Diebold crowd will look foolish when they claim Republican victory. It's in the closely contested races that they're likely to use the electronic 'switch the vote' approach.
http://www.eff.org/Activism/E-voting/ - Electronic Frontier Foundation
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Oct 30, 2006 10:45 AM
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One thing Miller suggests that I think is very likely; if the Democrats DO manage to take back one or both houses of Congress. . .the !@#$%^&* Repugs are going to start screaming "ELECTION FRAUD!!!!" at least in enough "close" races to conceivably undo the results and leave them still in control of the Senate. The sheer irony of this simply boggles the mind. . .but if we've learned anything lately it should be NEVER to underestimate the sleazy depths to which these evil monsters are willing to sink.
Let's hope that the Dems can manage to garner a majority in the House. . .cause at least then they can start investigations and issue supeonas. . .maybe expose some of the shite that the press has so willfully ignored these last six years.
There's a fine line between hopeful optimism and naiveté; I'm trying not to hold my breath. . . still, a people needs to dream!
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» RE: The real irony of all this. . .
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Posted by: JCR on Oct 30, 2006 11:52 AM
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Happy Day, Happy Day - The Dems Are Here To Save the Day!
Glory hallelujah and praise the pagan gods! The Democrats fought tooth and nail to keep us out of Iraq but the evil Republicans wanted it so badly that the Dems had no choice but to roll over and say "yay". Dems are gonna give health insurance to every boy and girl and then they're gonna strip the corptocracy of power like the just and upstanding "lawyers" they are. I'm all aquiver with anticipation of the forthcoming revolution!! I think I can already feel corporate America easing its death grip on the neck of the American people - can't you?
We as Americans don't actually have to do anything but vote Democrat and all the ills of our corrupt society are just gonna dissipate like so much mist after the sun comes out. What a breath of fresh air it's going to be! Hallelujah brothers and sisters!! Americans can sit on their ever-fattening asses (no different than the last 30 years) and bitch and moan about really important things like the price of a gallon of gas for their Ford Exxon SUV or Paris Hilton's sex life. In the meantime Enron pensioners still haven't received a penny and another 200K acres of rainforest will burn.
Yes just sit back and enjoy the slaughter as the Dems exact their pound of flesh from the dark lords and the best part is you don't actually have to get involved personally. The angelic Dems are your elected leaders in this two-party paradise and have YOUR best interests at heart. I mean John Kerry has a net-worth of 500 million - just like you and me!! Yes I can finally sleep soundly at night knowing the Dems are going to be toiling away to raise the minimum wage 30 cents and get us out of Iraq - just as soon as they figure out how to sneak the oil out . . . Sigh - It's just peachy isn't it?
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Posted by: babs on Oct 30, 2006 12:48 PM
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"Welcome to BushRevealed.com! This website serves as notice to Christians across this nation that President George Bush over the past few years has compromised his "Christian faith" by promoting evil and openly supporting wickedness. It is our hope and prayer that he would Repent and turn from such blatant sin. He is not our friend and cannot be trusted. "
the last line is the most telling - and the world agrees.
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Posted by: 1984NOW!!! on Oct 30, 2006 5:12 PM
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THIS TIME, VOTE DEMOCRAT and some GREEN where it doesn't matter.
I just heard in the news that there are 14,000 U. S. issue rifles missing in Iraq. THE BLUNDERS CONTINUE and our soldiers are dying for nothing and the world is in chaos.
VOTE!! VOTE!! To make this administration accountable.
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Oct 30, 2006 5:37 PM
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Voting to get someone out of office is just as dangerous as voting along party lines. There is no difference, as in both cases we are just choosing to throw our votes away yet again. How long has it been when we have had a leader rise among the people? The last president that actually might have changed something was taken out by this country's very own power structure. Since then, we have had nothing but a string of worthless, narcissistic losers who just value the sound of their own voice, empowered by the spotlight to say whatever needs to be said to gain office. Anyone who is persistent in invoking a change in our sociopolitic arena are just cast away as subversives, crackpots, socialists, and it won't be long if this trend continues, that they will be detained as terrorists. I love this country, but I'm scared to death of the government which is the surest sign that the people who we have elected to represent us, and protect us from harm, are the very ones who are perpetrating this wrong upon the American people.
As a people, we need to rise and take out the power structure of the government at its very foundation. We need to demand that elections are no longer polluted by corporate money. We must demand accountability. In essence, we have to hold their jobs hostage until they can appease our demands, not theirs. The government should be working for us, yet they seem to be only working for themselves which just shows that our government has turned toxic, and the only way to actually change anything is to flush all of these turds right down the toliet.
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Posted by: opeluboy on Oct 30, 2006 6:01 PM
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But I will vote. Best I can do until the revolution comes.
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Posted by: jsw on Oct 30, 2006 8:30 PM
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Interesting how the voter machine flaws and other voting problems ALWAYS seems to favor the most repulsive republicans. There is only one conclusion to this fact but what will be YOUR RESPONSE if they do steal it AGAIN? We need to find creative and effective ways of raising hell immediately and collectively or we do not deserve to have a Democracy. Look at what's happening in Mexico. Remember "V" is for Voting and if they steal it "V is for Vendetta"
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Perhaps this scenario will not play out, that's certainly my hope. But there's a good chance this will be the most blatantly stolen election in memory. So will you act surprised like a deer in the headlights, or are you planning your protest? Will you be in the street with the well prepared sign you had ready, or will you sit in your kitchen moping?
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Posted by: fifthworld on Oct 31, 2006 7:39 AM
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I'd also add, gratuitously, what the major economists already know, that [Democrat or Repub Congress] there will almost definitely be a global economic collapse within 24 months. Listen to Joe Stiglitz if you have questions on that. So we're basically fucked for a good while, but we've had it coming. Living with corporate capitalism/government was a dead end from the start and we're living on borrowed time, economically and otherwise.
Cheers!
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Somewhere in Southeast Central Texas, that's where i'll be, me and my wheelchar and my handy cane. Any voting irregularities, and I intend to whack somebody, or run 'em over.
People, QUIT whining. Get up off your whiny butts and at least try. You may not 'get everything' just as you want, but it will be SOME better. Don't think the "usual suspects" among the Democrats won't notice a HUGE "Mad As Hell" vote and act accordingly.
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Oct 31, 2006 9:55 PM
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We must take a stand, not only by voting, but by flooding the offices of congress with demands. We need an oversight commitee to watch over congress, consisting of regular people to enforce our constitutional rights, and ensure that these politicians can no longer ingore the people. We must let it be known that as a people we want total transparancy from those we elect. We can no longer allow these people to take our votes and run. We need to learn to put them on a short leash. We gave them too much rope, and they look like they just might hang us all.
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Posted by: moflard on Nov 1, 2006 6:56 AM
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Sorry, probably seems a stupid question but I realy don't get it.
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Posted by: Realman on Nov 1, 2006 12:28 PM
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There are THOUSANDS of small progressive organizations out there. NO ONE ... is doing the work to get them to work together, to form a coalition. My idea of "staffed and funded" [refers to my initial response to "Now That The Dems Are Coming . . . " - Bill] isn't about getting TV ads, it's about motivating people to work together and get some clarity....I don't know of anyone at the progressive level who is really creating the alternative to the Republicrats.
It appears that the Working Families Party in New York State is doing something very like what I'd complained didn't exist. I'm not real familiar with them, but look at their website for yourself.
I would have counted the Green Party, but here in NJ there's practically no one to vote for; I presume that's true elsewhere, mostly. I haven't been following the Party's internal workings closely; I don't know what happened to their local presence; I'm surprised I haven't stumbled upon anything about them in my online political reading.
If other Green organizations or other parties and organizations are healthy enough right now to have people on the ballot not just as alternatives to the republicrats, but who also work to create coalition among alternative organizations to create real political changes in the system, like the Working Families Party appears to do, I'd be glad to hear about them in this forum.
Bill
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» Is this a national election? I understand voting strategy very well, thank you.
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Maryland has two critical and close races: Steele v Cardin for the Senate, and Ehrlich(GOP gov who actually wants the machines replaced with paper ballots) v Martin O'Malley the Dem Mayor of Baltimore. I don't know that the machines as set up in MD favor either party. I do know they can't count and they leave little or no trail to audit.
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Posted by: scribbler on Oct 30, 2006 4:14 AM
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When I was young and self-righteous, I voted for Dick Gregory rather than Humphrey - and many anti-war 60s kids did the same so we got Tricky Dick. This round, in addition to working in a poll to watch and report from the inside for dirty tricks (other than invisible cybertricks), I'm voting straight Democratic to show the Republicans I don't like what they've done on all issues. Even if my vote is rigged. I'll deal with that after the election. If the the Democrats had been destroying our country and the world as badly as the Republicans have done, I'd vote against them too.
If you've ever visited a truly totalitarian dictatorship, you'll understand why I hope we won't sit home and be counted as the indifferent. Make the effort to go to the booth and do something, even if it's a loud, recorded vote for nobody. It's too easy to stay home. Go - and if you can't at least vote against the fat cats, just vote No.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Oct 30, 2006 4:59 AM
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I have worked as a spotter to oversee the count, and it is fun to do. Everyone loves the buzz of the votes coming in and you meet interesting people (and even a few babes) when you are doing it. Why do you need machines?
It just seems like somebody is trying to introduce the opportunity to fiddle the election.
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Posted by: NoahKount on Oct 30, 2006 5:24 AM
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I carefully chose candidates & voted by mail in Florida in 2004, sent in my ballot with a return receipt, & never got my green card back. That in itself breaks the chain of custody to a properly counted & coded vote. If you attend election day festivities in Florida you also will not see a paper verification that your ballot was counted properly, though you will get a detailed paper receipt from any grocery store checkout. This is ridiculous!
Nobody has done anything about past election boondogles in 2000, 2002, or 2004. The single party Repuglerats continue to run all elections & hog all debate within their narrow paradigm, and nobody has been kicked out of office in disgrace & into jail for election fraud. Florida 2000 was not even recounted until a year after Bush assumed power. Congress has not held hearings on John Conyers Ohio 2004 election report. Most people in Florida are NOT even familiar with Palast's work on "felon" lists by DBT in the election 2000 fiaso. Katherine Harris is running for Senator here, not president of her jail-cell group.
It is an illegitimate fiasco, and I won't legitimize it by participating. Bush is eliminating your rights, - & one of them is the right to participate in a basically honest election process.
So, go participate in the fiasco, if it gives you a warm feeling inside.
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» ...or really the center.
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elections on Nov. 7th, then the end of the American way of life
will be totally snuffed out over the next two years.
It's almost gone as is, with dictator DUHbya, at the behest of his
masters, the international bankers, usurping OUR power with
this phoney "war on terror" bullshit.
The cabal of criminals have taken the Constitution, the Bill of
Rights, Habeus Corpus, etc., and spit all over them and us, ren-
dering them almost useless in their fight against terrorism.
The problem with it is that the enemy is within. The enemy is
themselves, not some Arab or Muslim terrorists. Wake up
people, the government cannot be trusted, NEVER, EVER!
Government(s) only care about their own existence. Money,
power, and territory acquisition through war is all they care
about, period. The international bankers, the REAL leaders
of the world, are turning this nation into their private police-
man of the world.
The more wars that can be started, the more their ultimate
dream of world domination can became reality. With each
country/nation conquered, the resources and the people are
exploited, used, and wiped out, then it's on to the next.
If we don't expose and stop these madmen now, then the
America and the rest of the world will soon be a one-world
dictatorship, run by these monsters with an iron fist.
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Posted by: Realman on Oct 30, 2006 7:54 AM
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If and when there are problems, then they must be dealt with.
Letting fear, dismay, frustration, hopelessness, whatever your excuse, trick you into not voting, or even thinking about not voting, is just what "they" (the usually Republican powers that be that want a supressed vote) want.
Just realize that whatever crap they're doing, it does not change the fact that, after all the excuses are made, voting is the best thing left for most of us to do on election day.
Some of us can do more.
Some of us may well find their vote is fraudulently discounted.
But your vote will *never* count if you don't cast it.
Channel those fears into actions to make elections accountable, and into fighting to ensure every vote cast this year is counted.
Fears are useful to tell you what needs doing. Fight. Don't flee.
- Bill
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» I second the motion.
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Rather than implementing commonsense measures to prevent corruption, the Bush regime and Republican dominated congress has aggressively used intimidation and deceit to ram through regulations and laws that actually do the opposite. Is this due to stupidity and incompetence, or criminal intent?
Consider for a moment that when congress has failed to pass legislation to achieve the rabid right’s agenda, Bush has issued orders to his political appointees in every agency of the Federal government, to implement regulations by Executive Decree. Regulations don’t abrogate laws passed by congress, but Bush has effectively short-circuited Congressional oversight by assuming dictatorial powers. While those who have bestowed on Bush the “Divine Right of Kings,” have no problem with this, half the population has been stripped of their rights in the process.
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Posted by: JCR on Oct 30, 2006 8:20 AM
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Halliburton, Exxon, Pfizer, Northrop, Raytheon, Wal-Mart, etc. will continue to get rich and pay off "lawmakers" and the wheel will go 'round and 'round. Oh right, I forgot - Dems don't do dirty and they really stand up for what they believe in: like rolling over for Republicans when voting overwhelmingly in favor of going to war after which they point and say "see, I told you so". Yes they are a bunch of tigers! Rrroowwww.
This election day hype is nice and all except we still use the antiquated electoral college, have a PATHETIC two-party system which ostensibly represents the interests of over 300 million and campaign finance that makes government the plaything of Wall Street. How about a parliamentary system (with proportional representation) where Republican senators actually have to forge alliances with Greens, Civil Libertarians and Dems? Electoral college - need I say more? Campaign finance, soft money, hard money, slush funds? What the fuck has this country become - the United States of Special Interests? Rhetorical question.
The greatest problem is a lack of actual "representation" and "accountability". Remember what that means? You're going to elect corrupt Dems and Repubs who will pay great lip-service but on November 8th, ACCOUNTABILITY goes out the window. They go on doing as they please and that is nobody's fault but John Q. American who doesn't honestly give a shit what is happening out there. Yeah some wring their hands and curse but at the end of the day it's back to letting the soft glow of garbage TV wash over them. Republicans, Democrats or men from mars won't change anything until the American people grow a spine (and brain as the case may be) and make their collective will a reality. Our problems have nothing to do with the party and everything to do with American ambivalence and complacency.
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» So bloody well do something, then
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» So show us what you're doing from/in New Zealand other than running your mouth here . .
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Posted by: redjenny on Oct 30, 2006 8:57 AM
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Watch this short video: Video the Vote
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Posted by: xbj on Oct 30, 2006 9:01 AM
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"Lizzie Borden took an axe,
Gave ES&S touchscreens forty whacks,
When she saw what she had done,
Gave old Diebold's forty-one"
A visit to the polls with axes, pick axes, pitchforks, and torches would end computer voting forever.
If not then, City Hall in the morning once the phony vote tallies describe the "'amazing' 'unforseen' 'unlikely' 'incredible' 'against-all-possible-odds'" GOP sweep of every race, including Lieberman, the GOP poster-child for war whoring and war profiteering as usual.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 30, 2006 9:05 AM
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This system will root out electronic fraud, ballot box stuffing, miscounting, etc. The key is to get the brain-dead media to recognize sleeze for what it is. I have a sense that it's going to take mobs in the street to get their attention.
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Posted by: grmc1 on Oct 30, 2006 9:30 AM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 30, 2006 10:45 AM
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Even if that happens, you can expect the lobbyists who work for the firms that donated to the campaigns to come rushing in full-speed right after the election, arms full of bills written by company lawyers that they hope to get passed. If short, remember that the first few months after the election are very critical - being complacent is probably not a good idea.
As far as electronic voting goes, there is no reason for official vote counts to ever be sent over the internet or phone lines. If you have an optical scan machine counting voter-marked paper ballots, there are very secure and robust procedures to make sure that the count is accurately reported.
What they involve are a 'counting chip' that an quickly be tested for accuracy (as in a gambling casino or in a bank money-counting machine); the optical counting machine burns two compact discs with identical copies of the data; one disk stays locked in the machine and the other is transported to election headquarters. The paper ballots are stored in case a recount is needed.
While we're wishing, how about instituting an instant runoff voting system? Then the Greens and Libertarians could vote for whoever they wanted, and pick a second and third choice. The top two candidates in the intial round of voting then get the second round votes; thus a voter who chose Green 1st, Democratic 2nd would still have their vote count Democratic.
Still, go and vote. If the exit polls are high enough in the Democrats favor, than the Diebold crowd will look foolish when they claim Republican victory. It's in the closely contested races that they're likely to use the electronic 'switch the vote' approach.
http://www.eff.org/Activism/E-voting/ - Electronic Frontier Foundation
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Oct 30, 2006 10:45 AM
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One thing Miller suggests that I think is very likely; if the Democrats DO manage to take back one or both houses of Congress. . .the !@#$%^&* Repugs are going to start screaming "ELECTION FRAUD!!!!" at least in enough "close" races to conceivably undo the results and leave them still in control of the Senate. The sheer irony of this simply boggles the mind. . .but if we've learned anything lately it should be NEVER to underestimate the sleazy depths to which these evil monsters are willing to sink.
Let's hope that the Dems can manage to garner a majority in the House. . .cause at least then they can start investigations and issue supeonas. . .maybe expose some of the shite that the press has so willfully ignored these last six years.
There's a fine line between hopeful optimism and naiveté; I'm trying not to hold my breath. . . still, a people needs to dream!
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Posted by: ignition on Oct 30, 2006 11:28 AM
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Posted by: JCR on Oct 30, 2006 11:52 AM
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Happy Day, Happy Day - The Dems Are Here To Save the Day!
Glory hallelujah and praise the pagan gods! The Democrats fought tooth and nail to keep us out of Iraq but the evil Republicans wanted it so badly that the Dems had no choice but to roll over and say "yay". Dems are gonna give health insurance to every boy and girl and then they're gonna strip the corptocracy of power like the just and upstanding "lawyers" they are. I'm all aquiver with anticipation of the forthcoming revolution!! I think I can already feel corporate America easing its death grip on the neck of the American people - can't you?
We as Americans don't actually have to do anything but vote Democrat and all the ills of our corrupt society are just gonna dissipate like so much mist after the sun comes out. What a breath of fresh air it's going to be! Hallelujah brothers and sisters!! Americans can sit on their ever-fattening asses (no different than the last 30 years) and bitch and moan about really important things like the price of a gallon of gas for their Ford Exxon SUV or Paris Hilton's sex life. In the meantime Enron pensioners still haven't received a penny and another 200K acres of rainforest will burn.
Yes just sit back and enjoy the slaughter as the Dems exact their pound of flesh from the dark lords and the best part is you don't actually have to get involved personally. The angelic Dems are your elected leaders in this two-party paradise and have YOUR best interests at heart. I mean John Kerry has a net-worth of 500 million - just like you and me!! Yes I can finally sleep soundly at night knowing the Dems are going to be toiling away to raise the minimum wage 30 cents and get us out of Iraq - just as soon as they figure out how to sneak the oil out . . . Sigh - It's just peachy isn't it?
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Posted by: babs on Oct 30, 2006 12:48 PM
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"Welcome to BushRevealed.com! This website serves as notice to Christians across this nation that President George Bush over the past few years has compromised his "Christian faith" by promoting evil and openly supporting wickedness. It is our hope and prayer that he would Repent and turn from such blatant sin. He is not our friend and cannot be trusted. "
the last line is the most telling - and the world agrees.
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Posted by: 1984NOW!!! on Oct 30, 2006 5:12 PM
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THIS TIME, VOTE DEMOCRAT and some GREEN where it doesn't matter.
I just heard in the news that there are 14,000 U. S. issue rifles missing in Iraq. THE BLUNDERS CONTINUE and our soldiers are dying for nothing and the world is in chaos.
VOTE!! VOTE!! To make this administration accountable.
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Oct 30, 2006 5:24 PM
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Oct 30, 2006 5:37 PM
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Voting to get someone out of office is just as dangerous as voting along party lines. There is no difference, as in both cases we are just choosing to throw our votes away yet again. How long has it been when we have had a leader rise among the people? The last president that actually might have changed something was taken out by this country's very own power structure. Since then, we have had nothing but a string of worthless, narcissistic losers who just value the sound of their own voice, empowered by the spotlight to say whatever needs to be said to gain office. Anyone who is persistent in invoking a change in our sociopolitic arena are just cast away as subversives, crackpots, socialists, and it won't be long if this trend continues, that they will be detained as terrorists. I love this country, but I'm scared to death of the government which is the surest sign that the people who we have elected to represent us, and protect us from harm, are the very ones who are perpetrating this wrong upon the American people.
As a people, we need to rise and take out the power structure of the government at its very foundation. We need to demand that elections are no longer polluted by corporate money. We must demand accountability. In essence, we have to hold their jobs hostage until they can appease our demands, not theirs. The government should be working for us, yet they seem to be only working for themselves which just shows that our government has turned toxic, and the only way to actually change anything is to flush all of these turds right down the toliet.
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Posted by: opeluboy on Oct 30, 2006 6:01 PM
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But I will vote. Best I can do until the revolution comes.
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Posted by: jsw on Oct 30, 2006 8:30 PM
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Interesting how the voter machine flaws and other voting problems ALWAYS seems to favor the most repulsive republicans. There is only one conclusion to this fact but what will be YOUR RESPONSE if they do steal it AGAIN? We need to find creative and effective ways of raising hell immediately and collectively or we do not deserve to have a Democracy. Look at what's happening in Mexico. Remember "V" is for Voting and if they steal it "V is for Vendetta"
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Posted by: ScottP on Oct 30, 2006 9:46 PM
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Perhaps this scenario will not play out, that's certainly my hope. But there's a good chance this will be the most blatantly stolen election in memory. So will you act surprised like a deer in the headlights, or are you planning your protest? Will you be in the street with the well prepared sign you had ready, or will you sit in your kitchen moping?
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Posted by: fifthworld on Oct 31, 2006 7:39 AM
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I'd also add, gratuitously, what the major economists already know, that [Democrat or Repub Congress] there will almost definitely be a global economic collapse within 24 months. Listen to Joe Stiglitz if you have questions on that. So we're basically fucked for a good while, but we've had it coming. Living with corporate capitalism/government was a dead end from the start and we're living on borrowed time, economically and otherwise.
Cheers!
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Posted by: Liger on Oct 31, 2006 8:27 AM
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 31, 2006 10:10 AM
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Oct 31, 2006 5:18 PM
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Posted by: carcinoid112 on Oct 31, 2006 9:04 PM
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Somewhere in Southeast Central Texas, that's where i'll be, me and my wheelchar and my handy cane. Any voting irregularities, and I intend to whack somebody, or run 'em over.
People, QUIT whining. Get up off your whiny butts and at least try. You may not 'get everything' just as you want, but it will be SOME better. Don't think the "usual suspects" among the Democrats won't notice a HUGE "Mad As Hell" vote and act accordingly.
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Oct 31, 2006 9:55 PM
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We must take a stand, not only by voting, but by flooding the offices of congress with demands. We need an oversight commitee to watch over congress, consisting of regular people to enforce our constitutional rights, and ensure that these politicians can no longer ingore the people. We must let it be known that as a people we want total transparancy from those we elect. We can no longer allow these people to take our votes and run. We need to learn to put them on a short leash. We gave them too much rope, and they look like they just might hang us all.
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Posted by: midwestblue on Nov 1, 2006 5:28 AM
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Posted by: moflard on Nov 1, 2006 6:56 AM
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Sorry, probably seems a stupid question but I realy don't get it.
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Posted by: Realman on Nov 1, 2006 12:28 PM
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There are THOUSANDS of small progressive organizations out there. NO ONE ... is doing the work to get them to work together, to form a coalition. My idea of "staffed and funded" [refers to my initial response to "Now That The Dems Are Coming . . . " - Bill] isn't about getting TV ads, it's about motivating people to work together and get some clarity....I don't know of anyone at the progressive level who is really creating the alternative to the Republicrats.
It appears that the Working Families Party in New York State is doing something very like what I'd complained didn't exist. I'm not real familiar with them, but look at their website for yourself.
I would have counted the Green Party, but here in NJ there's practically no one to vote for; I presume that's true elsewhere, mostly. I haven't been following the Party's internal workings closely; I don't know what happened to their local presence; I'm surprised I haven't stumbled upon anything about them in my online political reading.
If other Green organizations or other parties and organizations are healthy enough right now to have people on the ballot not just as alternatives to the republicrats, but who also work to create coalition among alternative organizations to create real political changes in the system, like the Working Families Party appears to do, I'd be glad to hear about them in this forum.
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