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Republican Torture Laws Will Live in History
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Before Bush has even signed his pro-torture, anti-humanity bill into law, his legal framer and torture apologist Alberto Gonzales is already cautioning the judiciary:
"Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who is defending President Bush's anti-terrorism tactics in multiple court battles, said Friday that federal judges should not substitute their personal views for the president's judgments in wartime."
Instead of continuing with this farce called checks and balances, why not simply declare the "It has happened here" amendment for the Congress to rubber stamp and the president to tack on to the Constitution as a preemptive measure against dictatorial power?
Something along the lines of:
Congress shall, immediately upon our inauguration, initiate amendments to the Constitution providing (a), that the President shall have the authority to institute and execute all necessary measures for the conduct of the government during this critical epoch; (b), that Congress shall serve only in an advisory capacity, calling to the attention of the President and his aides and Cabinet any needed legislation, but not acting upon same until authorized by the President so to act; and (c), that the Supreme Court shall immediately have removed from its jurisdiction the power to negate, by ruling them to be unconstitutional or by any other judicial action, any or all acts of the President, his duly appointed aides, or Congress.Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves at the thought of how Bush -- the deranged man-child; Cheney -- the most criminally corrupt government official to have ever been put into office; and Rummy -- a war criminal even before the war in Iraq have together burned the Constitution while the nation watched "Survivor."
Quite simply put, if there were a moment's doubt that this nation was heading for a fascist takeover, then watching the United States Congress make legal that which in WWII the United States heroically fought to make immoral should be the final proof.
The expediency with which the fascists have taken apart democracy in America can only be ascribed to years of practice; from Nixon to Iran Contra, these madmen should have been imprisoned, not pardoned. But as they attacked and abused the nation anew and pushed the envelope further, they were always pardoned. Now what is there to stop this madness, after no one is left standing in the way of the criminal gang running the country like the Mafia?
So, while rushing to give unprecedented power to a man who has already abused the limited power that he had, the latest indignity is an international incident; and its victims are not only Iraqis, but every citizen of every nation being held or who will be held in detainment facilities across the globe, tortured, raped, and even murdered at the pleasure of a criminally insane executive and his henchmen, whom he bought or threatened into selling their souls.
The Last Nail by the Numbers:
Speaking in abstractions and using politically loaded terms like "terrorist" does this country little service and shields the truth from the hard facts of actual bodies.
I reported last November that since the start of U.S. aggressions in Afghanistan and Iraq, roughly 70 thousand men, women, and children had been detained and in many cases tortured. Of the 35,000 detained in Iraq, only 638, or roughly 2 percent, were ever tried for any crime. The rest were either quietly let go or died in custody.
A document leaked to me a year ago from sources with a conscience at U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) indicated that this total of 35,000 does not even represent the full count of people detained, nor does it address every single U.S. facility around the world or the additional extraordinary renditions we have engaged in.
Does anyone actually think that any Republican who voted for the pro-torture, pro-rape, pro-mutilation bill has actually looked at the numbers, or better still, talked to the living victims? Somehow I think that the closest these dilettantes got to the horror of it all was the lemon chicken lunch they sat down to while visiting the "public" area of Gitmo.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said recently, "Well, Alan, I think it really does reflect that we are in an age and an era post-9/11, where we're talking about a new sort of opponent, a new sort of the war criminal, somebody who right now we call then enemy combatants, but the sort of people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who's down in Guantanamo Bay now, who allegedly and likely did mastermind the plot that killed 3,000 Americans."
According to Mr. Frist's second brilliant public diagnosis (the first being, of course. Terri Schiavo), the people detained, or " the opponents," are either guilty of plotting to kill Americans or have already done so in the past. Senator Frist can tell this just from judging them by their appearance.
Mr. Frist, are you really going to tell the American people that 638 convictions were worth the detainment, torture, rape, and in some cases murder of roughly 35,000 people in Iraq alone? Remember, these numbers are a year old and only a fraction of the total.
And if our intention is to save 3,000 American lives, something this administration has already failed to do, from another possible 9/11, then why did we send to their deaths an additional 3,000 American soldiers in order to secure only 638 convictions -- even assuming that number is a credible representation and that they were convicted on evidence, not confessions via torture?
What does this accomplish and how can it possibly be justified?
And if we are, in general, aiming at saving lives, then why did we kill roughly 100,000 Iraqis and thousands upon thousands of Afghanis in order to secure 638 possibly dubious convictions?
Again, why are Mr. Frist's "opponents" innocent people he has never met, never talked to, never heard of? What does this accomplish?
Sorry Mr. Frist, but unless you can account for each and every soul, and conduct legal and credible trials, you cannot presume to put to death or assign to relentless torture so many innocent lives, at least not morally or under what will no longer be domestic law.
Changing this law excuses Mr. Frist and his gang from nothing, other than domestic charges of criminal conduct. It does not excuse him or his president from international law, because we are and were signatories to Geneva and other treaties when Bush violated those laws.
Nor will history excuse Mr. Frist, Mr. Bush and especially Mr. Cheney for anything, not one drop of blood, not one lie, not one crime.
Can you say without any doubt that there are no innocents being tortured?
Are the Republicans in Congress who voted for this savagery willing to say that 638 convictions were worth this many casualties? If they are willing to make into law the mass slaughter, the mass detainment, the total antithesis of everything America fought for during WWII, then they had better be able to say, on the record, that they are certain that not a single innocent life has been compromised and not a single innocent soul tortured. And they had better say on the record that 638 convictions were worth nearly 3,000 U.S. soldiers. But cowards simply cast a vote and walk away. They don't have to see their victims or witness the suffering they have caused. They can simply change the channel and watch another reality show.
Every member of Congress who voted to violate basic human decency and leave something as sacrosanct as the Geneva Conventions up to executive interpretation, even after the executive has already broken both domestic and international law, is first and foremost a criminal accomplice in every act of murder, rape and torture committed under the banner of the American flag.
Members of Congress who voted to support this act of violence -- premeditated, organized and systemic -- are accessories after the fact and enablers of crimes against humanity, period. The right wing has won no moral victory nor any legal battle. They have not won a show of strength on national security over the Democrats. Instead, the entire country has lost any moral standing in the world, and members of Congress who voted to legalize savagery have sold their souls and this nation's dignity for a political prize.
The world must know that the citizens of this nation do not support what their government is doing in its name, not for 638 convictions -- even if they are legitimate -- not for greed, not for power, not for any reason. Members of Congress who voted to become criminal accomplices of tyranny may find it clever that they can pass laws to absolve themselves and their leader of high crimes, but history will not. They will be judged by the world, and by the future, in the harshest possible light and as no different than the Nazis or any other brutal and murderous regime.
The mask of Christianity does not lessen such evil, because the Nazis, too, enjoyed their Christian pomp and circumstance.
I see no difference between this statement:
"We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the Führer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty." -- Joseph Goebbels
and the one below:
Why is this man [George W. Bush] in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. I tell you this morning that he's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."
-- Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin
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Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 2, 2006 1:16 AM
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Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 2, 2006 1:27 AM
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I realize this may sound really petty, given the seriousness of our elected representatives and senators actually voting for this act, but these people have pissed on us one too many times, and need to be held accountable. They should have so much mail, so many nasygrams waiting for them as they return home from what they call work, that when they open their office doors, it takes an avalanche beacon to locate them under the mass of mail that inundates them.
Find out how your representatives and senators voted, and as is likely the case that they voted in favor of this act, put their name in the newspaper, followed by a detailed explanation of what they voted for (this is to educate the majority of the American people that have no hint of what this bill stands for.) We must do as must political damage as is possible to these traitors prior to November 7 elections. Then, send them to the unemployment line or file criminal charges for aiding and abetting multiple violations of the Federal War Crimes Act, Artice Three of the Geneva Conventions, and treason.
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» Unconstitutional federal laws can only be overturned by an unbiased Supreme Court.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 2, 2006 1:55 AM
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"So ya won't talk, huh, George"?
"This might refresh your memory, Dick"!
Fuck it! It's now legal for them to torture anybody! And that includes EVERYBODY!!! Ah yes! How I'd love to be in the room when that happens! Can you just imagine? Hopefully, when the democrats take back the House and Senate in January, they'll have the wisdom and the forsight to strike down this horrendous and disgusting law. But, please, not before we have the opportunity to ask Georgie and Dickie some "questions". Very soon, the trillion dollar shithammer is goint to hit the fan. Alot of people are going to pay an extremely high price for their crimes. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will die in federal prison. I promise you that.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant by Tom Degan
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» RE: TORTURE, YOU SAY??? I'm All For It!!!..Yeah but...sickofsleaze
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» The notion that TORTURE is OK for those who "deserve it" is the PROBLEM, Tom, NOT the solution!!!
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» Uh, Hugh,............
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» RE: Uh, Hugh: SHAME ON YOU FOR ACTING LIKE KARL ROVE
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» You've got it WRONG, Arc. Reagan was NO neocon.
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» RE: You've got it WRONG, Arc. Reagan was NO neocon.
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» Arc, let's agree to disagree about Dutch and go back on the Bush attack.
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Posted by: wawa on Oct 2, 2006 5:07 AM
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Bush gave up drinking when 'found' God-but all he did was exchange that addiction for an other when he became addicted to the wine that Wolfowitz poured out in his Doctrine of domination and hegemony coupled with the delusional fantasies of Cheney and Rummy that the USA could be viewed as liberators-when the truth is we are occupiers.
“The methods and photos from Abu Grahib and Guantanamo were no shock to any Palestinian who had been in prison between 1967 and the ‘80’s. All the methods used in Abu Grahib were normal procedures against Palestinians. In 1999 Internationals, Palestinians and Israelis for human rights threatened a boycott against Israel and that is what forced the Supreme Court to address the torture issue. They did not ban torture and the General Prosecutor can choose not to prosecute those who still use it."-Ala Jaradat of the organization WWW.ADDAMEER.ORG
Quote is excerpt from WAWA BLOG January 5, 2006 from my interview in Ramallah Headquarters of ADAMEER, which is Arabic for conscience.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Oct 2, 2006 6:31 AM
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Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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Posted by: mite on Oct 2, 2006 7:35 AM
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In 1969 (3 years before the World Health Organization's request) the U.S. Dept. of Defense requested and got $10 million to make the AIDS virus in labs as a political/ethnic weapon to be used mainly against Blacks. (Behold A Pale Horse, p.446) Milton William Cooper, 1991 ISBN 0-929385-22-5 by Light Technology Publishing
TERRORISM- The goal of terrorism is to create terror and fear.
Terrorism is not an expression of RAGE. Terrorism is a POLITICAL weapon.
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» Like Hitler and Bush, Joe Stalin Also Saw Himself As Above the Law
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 2, 2006 8:03 AM
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A massive protest like what just happened in Mexico City would probably provoke BushCo into invoking powers under the Insurrection Act. Do a little reading, our 'unitary executive' would like nothing better.
Be prepared. The NeoCon crazies are swiftboating John Murtha and it's getting little attention or outrage. If they will frontally assault a real live veteran that is also a senior member of the House, where will they draw the line?
Standing up could mean getting beat down when the votes are counted. Not a prediction, just an admonishment to be ready.
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Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Oct 2, 2006 9:18 AM
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» On October 5, 1965 I was Marching Against the War in Vietnam
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Posted by: edith on Oct 2, 2006 10:04 AM
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Just a couple quibbles: there seems to be a myth out there that the Nazis were Christians. They were not. They were a neo-Pagan cult. So the crack about Nazis enjoying their "Christian" pomp was a cheap shot. And unnecessary to the main argument by the author.
Also, while voting for torture itself can be failry characterized as a crime, sin, pick your poison, the real crime will come when some President, and it could be a Republican or Democrat, uses this legislation together with the Patriot and other thought control laws to torture and deny habeus to political opponents who have nothing to do with the Al Queda organization that this alleged war on "terror" supposedly is about.
One of the readers here pointed out the absurdity of Bush's war on a "noun". It was a great analogy. However he may not be the last to torture if he and his successors figure out you and the terror noun are one and the same.
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» Your quibble is wrong
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» what is the question, however?
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Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 2, 2006 11:00 AM
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What is a free country? How does one decide whether to include a nation as a part of the free world? I would think that it relates to guaranteed rights and the absence of need for permission to make choices.
If the head of state of some hypothetical country was legally free to abscond with its citizens and do with them as he pleases without any charges or trial - including torture them to their deaths - hypothetically, now, of course, if such citizens and their families also had no rights or legal recourse were they or their loved one spirited off in the night, could you classify such a country and its people as free?
What is the sine qua non of political freedom and how do you know if you have that or not?
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 2, 2006 2:18 PM
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» The Supremes,..........
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Posted by: Wallace9 on Oct 2, 2006 2:33 PM
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This is virtually a cancellation of the Constitution. It sets up a totalitarian government here in the United States. It takes away all of our rights under the Bill of Rights in The Constitution. America is no longer a Republic but now is a dictatorship under our Fűhrer Bush.
SURPRISE = I have a theory about what Bush and his cadre of idiots will do next. It involves the ’06 or ’08 elections. I believe that they will stage some kind of an emergency such as a bombing, a mass arrest or another plane crash into a building before one of the elections. Using that incident as an excuse they will declare martial law. Then because of that supposed emergency they will accomplish a coup de tat by cancelling the elections because of the emergency. This will then put this country under a permanent dictatorship.
I have been depressed for the last three days since Friday when I learned of the passage of this bill. When I came home on Thursday my partner was in tears over it. I just cannot realize what has happened to us or how it happened. What happened to our Congress? Have they finally lost their collective mind? It reminds me of the parallel to what happened in Germany in 1934 or 1935 when Hitler had the Reicshstag bombed by his minions and declared a national emergency. He then had the Reichstag declare him a dictator with plenary, sole, powers to rule the nation. It is only a short step for that to happen in this country. Why didn’t our legislators stop it? What the hell happened to the vaunted American penchant for independent thinking? Are we so very frightened of the possibility of another attack that we are willing to give up our very fundamental rights to protect us? Are we willing to become caged inhabitants in order to be safe? I know of a place where the inhabitants are completely safe; they call it a zoo. I also know of places where there is law and order; Cuba, China, Russia, Zimbabwe.
On my car I have a bumper sticker of my own design. It is a paraphrase of Patrick Henry’s saying “Give me liberty or give me death.” Mine reads, “The worst day free is better then the best day safe.” We are now about to enter the “Twilight Zone.”
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Posted by: Premalata H de Matesanz on Oct 2, 2006 3:12 PM
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I demand his impeachment.
I demand he go on trial for treason.
I demand that the war crimes tribunal put him on trial.
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» I second the motions.
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» RE: Countrymen we must act now
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» Your're too late Patrick Henry but nice try anyway
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» Well That Makes Me Feel Better
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» Does Bush Plan to Outdo Hitler and Even Stalin in Killing and Torture?
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Posted by: Burtonger on Oct 4, 2006 12:20 AM
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SO the one thought that has kept me from taking law into my own hands was the UNIVERSAL LAW OF KARMA.
And this universal law is un-corruptible by ANYONE or anything.
SO these guilty MONSTERS will be paid in full as we all will be,eventually , because karma has time on it's side,humans do not.
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Posted by: Jodin on Oct 6, 2006 10:57 PM
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There's a little known and rarely used clause of the "Jefferson Manual" in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.
That's where we come in. In addition to the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org, part of the movement to impeach the president, has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.
STOP WAITING FOR YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO ACT FOR YOU.
You can initiate the impeachment process yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information in the blanks (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in.
http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html
More information on the precedent for submitting an impeachment
memorial, and the House Rules on this procedure, can also be found at
the above address.
If you have any doubts that Bush has committed crimes warranting
impeachment, read this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org/evidence/
If you're concerned that impeachment might not be the best strategy
at this point, read the bottom of this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
Bush, June 18, 2002
"War is Peace."
Big Brother in George Orwell's 1984
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Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 2, 2006 1:27 AM
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I realize this may sound really petty, given the seriousness of our elected representatives and senators actually voting for this act, but these people have pissed on us one too many times, and need to be held accountable. They should have so much mail, so many nasygrams waiting for them as they return home from what they call work, that when they open their office doors, it takes an avalanche beacon to locate them under the mass of mail that inundates them.
Find out how your representatives and senators voted, and as is likely the case that they voted in favor of this act, put their name in the newspaper, followed by a detailed explanation of what they voted for (this is to educate the majority of the American people that have no hint of what this bill stands for.) We must do as must political damage as is possible to these traitors prior to November 7 elections. Then, send them to the unemployment line or file criminal charges for aiding and abetting multiple violations of the Federal War Crimes Act, Artice Three of the Geneva Conventions, and treason.
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» Unconstitutional federal laws can only be overturned by an unbiased Supreme Court.
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» RE: Unconstitutional federal laws can only be overturned by an unbiased Supreme Court.
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» Laws Usually Are Hard to Strike Down
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 2, 2006 1:55 AM
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"So ya won't talk, huh, George"?
"This might refresh your memory, Dick"!
Fuck it! It's now legal for them to torture anybody! And that includes EVERYBODY!!! Ah yes! How I'd love to be in the room when that happens! Can you just imagine? Hopefully, when the democrats take back the House and Senate in January, they'll have the wisdom and the forsight to strike down this horrendous and disgusting law. But, please, not before we have the opportunity to ask Georgie and Dickie some "questions". Very soon, the trillion dollar shithammer is goint to hit the fan. Alot of people are going to pay an extremely high price for their crimes. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will die in federal prison. I promise you that.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant by Tom Degan
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» RE: TORTURE, YOU SAY??? I'm All For It!!!..Yeah but...sickofsleaze
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» The notion that TORTURE is OK for those who "deserve it" is the PROBLEM, Tom, NOT the solution!!!
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Posted by: akai ringo on Oct 2, 2006 4:01 AM
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» Uh, Hugh,............
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» RE: Uh, Hugh: SHAME ON YOU FOR ACTING LIKE KARL ROVE
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» You've got it WRONG, Arc. Reagan was NO neocon.
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» RE: You've got it WRONG, Arc. Reagan was NO neocon.
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» Arc, let's agree to disagree about Dutch and go back on the Bush attack.
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Posted by: wawa on Oct 2, 2006 5:07 AM
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Bush gave up drinking when 'found' God-but all he did was exchange that addiction for an other when he became addicted to the wine that Wolfowitz poured out in his Doctrine of domination and hegemony coupled with the delusional fantasies of Cheney and Rummy that the USA could be viewed as liberators-when the truth is we are occupiers.
“The methods and photos from Abu Grahib and Guantanamo were no shock to any Palestinian who had been in prison between 1967 and the ‘80’s. All the methods used in Abu Grahib were normal procedures against Palestinians. In 1999 Internationals, Palestinians and Israelis for human rights threatened a boycott against Israel and that is what forced the Supreme Court to address the torture issue. They did not ban torture and the General Prosecutor can choose not to prosecute those who still use it."-Ala Jaradat of the organization WWW.ADDAMEER.ORG
Quote is excerpt from WAWA BLOG January 5, 2006 from my interview in Ramallah Headquarters of ADAMEER, which is Arabic for conscience.
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Posted by: midwestblue on Oct 2, 2006 6:26 AM
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Oct 2, 2006 6:31 AM
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Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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Posted by: mikmojo06 on Oct 2, 2006 7:29 AM
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Posted by: mite on Oct 2, 2006 7:35 AM
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In 1969 (3 years before the World Health Organization's request) the U.S. Dept. of Defense requested and got $10 million to make the AIDS virus in labs as a political/ethnic weapon to be used mainly against Blacks. (Behold A Pale Horse, p.446) Milton William Cooper, 1991 ISBN 0-929385-22-5 by Light Technology Publishing
TERRORISM- The goal of terrorism is to create terror and fear.
Terrorism is not an expression of RAGE. Terrorism is a POLITICAL weapon.
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Posted by: BeeGee on Oct 2, 2006 7:36 AM
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» Like Hitler and Bush, Joe Stalin Also Saw Himself As Above the Law
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 2, 2006 8:03 AM
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A massive protest like what just happened in Mexico City would probably provoke BushCo into invoking powers under the Insurrection Act. Do a little reading, our 'unitary executive' would like nothing better.
Be prepared. The NeoCon crazies are swiftboating John Murtha and it's getting little attention or outrage. If they will frontally assault a real live veteran that is also a senior member of the House, where will they draw the line?
Standing up could mean getting beat down when the votes are counted. Not a prediction, just an admonishment to be ready.
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» RE: Whatchagonnado-One of the Proudest Days of my life...
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Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Oct 2, 2006 9:18 AM
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Posted by: Elmowilcox on Oct 2, 2006 9:35 AM
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» RE: Hold on.............
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» RE: Day of Massive Resistance Against Bush Regime Oct. 5, 2006
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» On October 5, 1965 I was Marching Against the War in Vietnam
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Posted by: edith on Oct 2, 2006 10:04 AM
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Just a couple quibbles: there seems to be a myth out there that the Nazis were Christians. They were not. They were a neo-Pagan cult. So the crack about Nazis enjoying their "Christian" pomp was a cheap shot. And unnecessary to the main argument by the author.
Also, while voting for torture itself can be failry characterized as a crime, sin, pick your poison, the real crime will come when some President, and it could be a Republican or Democrat, uses this legislation together with the Patriot and other thought control laws to torture and deny habeus to political opponents who have nothing to do with the Al Queda organization that this alleged war on "terror" supposedly is about.
One of the readers here pointed out the absurdity of Bush's war on a "noun". It was a great analogy. However he may not be the last to torture if he and his successors figure out you and the terror noun are one and the same.
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» Your quibble is wrong
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» what is the question, however?
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Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 2, 2006 11:00 AM
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What is a free country? How does one decide whether to include a nation as a part of the free world? I would think that it relates to guaranteed rights and the absence of need for permission to make choices.
If the head of state of some hypothetical country was legally free to abscond with its citizens and do with them as he pleases without any charges or trial - including torture them to their deaths - hypothetically, now, of course, if such citizens and their families also had no rights or legal recourse were they or their loved one spirited off in the night, could you classify such a country and its people as free?
What is the sine qua non of political freedom and how do you know if you have that or not?
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» RE: Long live Magna Carta
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 2, 2006 2:18 PM
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» RE: rethug torture laws..sickofsleaze
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» The Supremes,..........
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Posted by: Wallace9 on Oct 2, 2006 2:33 PM
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This is virtually a cancellation of the Constitution. It sets up a totalitarian government here in the United States. It takes away all of our rights under the Bill of Rights in The Constitution. America is no longer a Republic but now is a dictatorship under our Fűhrer Bush.
SURPRISE = I have a theory about what Bush and his cadre of idiots will do next. It involves the ’06 or ’08 elections. I believe that they will stage some kind of an emergency such as a bombing, a mass arrest or another plane crash into a building before one of the elections. Using that incident as an excuse they will declare martial law. Then because of that supposed emergency they will accomplish a coup de tat by cancelling the elections because of the emergency. This will then put this country under a permanent dictatorship.
I have been depressed for the last three days since Friday when I learned of the passage of this bill. When I came home on Thursday my partner was in tears over it. I just cannot realize what has happened to us or how it happened. What happened to our Congress? Have they finally lost their collective mind? It reminds me of the parallel to what happened in Germany in 1934 or 1935 when Hitler had the Reicshstag bombed by his minions and declared a national emergency. He then had the Reichstag declare him a dictator with plenary, sole, powers to rule the nation. It is only a short step for that to happen in this country. Why didn’t our legislators stop it? What the hell happened to the vaunted American penchant for independent thinking? Are we so very frightened of the possibility of another attack that we are willing to give up our very fundamental rights to protect us? Are we willing to become caged inhabitants in order to be safe? I know of a place where the inhabitants are completely safe; they call it a zoo. I also know of places where there is law and order; Cuba, China, Russia, Zimbabwe.
On my car I have a bumper sticker of my own design. It is a paraphrase of Patrick Henry’s saying “Give me liberty or give me death.” Mine reads, “The worst day free is better then the best day safe.” We are now about to enter the “Twilight Zone.”
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Posted by: Premalata H de Matesanz on Oct 2, 2006 3:12 PM
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I demand his impeachment.
I demand he go on trial for treason.
I demand that the war crimes tribunal put him on trial.
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» I second the motions.
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» RE: Countrymen we must act now
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» Your're too late Patrick Henry but nice try anyway
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» Well That Makes Me Feel Better
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» Does Bush Plan to Outdo Hitler and Even Stalin in Killing and Torture?
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» RE: The Torture Laws Complete the "Sovietization" of America
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Oct 2, 2006 8:46 PM
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» RE: The Lesson of Nuremberg
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» RE: The Lesson of Nuremberg
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Posted by: Burtonger on Oct 4, 2006 12:20 AM
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SO the one thought that has kept me from taking law into my own hands was the UNIVERSAL LAW OF KARMA.
And this universal law is un-corruptible by ANYONE or anything.
SO these guilty MONSTERS will be paid in full as we all will be,eventually , because karma has time on it's side,humans do not.
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Posted by: robmikejas on Oct 4, 2006 6:57 AM
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Posted by: Jodin on Oct 6, 2006 10:57 PM
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There's a little known and rarely used clause of the "Jefferson Manual" in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.
That's where we come in. In addition to the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org, part of the movement to impeach the president, has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.
STOP WAITING FOR YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO ACT FOR YOU.
You can initiate the impeachment process yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information in the blanks (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in.
http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html
More information on the precedent for submitting an impeachment
memorial, and the House Rules on this procedure, can also be found at
the above address.
If you have any doubts that Bush has committed crimes warranting
impeachment, read this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org/evidence/
If you're concerned that impeachment might not be the best strategy
at this point, read the bottom of this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
Bush, June 18, 2002
"War is Peace."
Big Brother in George Orwell's 1984
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