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Bush Offers Himself Amnesty for Human Rights Crimes
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While the focus of the current congressional debate has been on Bush's demands to redefine torture and to reinterpret the Geneva Conventions, the compromise legislation also would block prosecutions for violations already committed during the five-year-old "war on terror."
The compromise legislation bars criminal or civil legal action over past violations of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, according to press reports. Common Article 3 outlaws "violence to life and person," such as death and mutilation as well as cruel treatment and "outrages upon personal dignity."
The legislation now before Congress also would prohibit detainees from citing the Geneva Conventions as a legal basis for challenging their imprisonment or for seeking civil damages for their mistreatment.
Since U.S. courts generally limit plaintiff status to people who have suffered definable harm, these provisions amount to a broad amnesty law for Bush and other administration officials who have engaged in human rights violations since the 9/11 attacks.
Given the scope of Common Article 3, covering abuses ranging from personal humiliations to death, the legislation could prevent -- or at least severely complicate -- any legal accountability in U.S. courts for officials who have committed these offenses.
Though administration officials have said these provisions are meant to protect CIA and other government operatives in the field, the provisions also could shield senior officials up the line of command who granted the authority for acts of torture and other abuses.
These implicated officials could include Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and administration legal advisers who supplied rationales for the abuses, as well as officials who signed off on the human rights violations, such as military commanders and President Bush.
'Dirty war' precedents
In effect, this legislation could be interpreted as a broad amnesty law, like those enacted by legislatures in Argentina and Chile to give cover to government officials who waged "dirty wars" against leftists and other political opponents in the 1970s.
Because of those amnesty laws, many perpetrators of torture, "disappearances" and extrajudicial killings were spared punishment even after the grisly details of their crimes against humanity emerged from the secret records.
In some cases, the amnesty laws were later repealed or courts struck down some provisions. But the legal delays frustrated demands for justice from victims and often the aging perpetrators then cited infirmities to prevent ever being brought to trial.
For instance, Chile is still trying to untangle the amnesty protections that were used to shield dictator Augusto Pinochet from prosecution. Pinochet, who is now 90, has also employed the infirmity defense.
The legal delays have had political consequences, too, especially in the United States where complicit American officials escaped virtually all accountability, even to their reputations.
Some countries, such as South Africa, have combined amnesty for human rights violators with requirements that the guilty cooperate with truth commissions. That way, at least the historical record can be assembled and the crimes of state can be exposed as lessons for future generations.
The emerging U.S. amnesty law would be unusual in that it wouldn't explicitly acknowledge that offenses had been committed, nor is the word "amnesty" used. Nor have there been public hearings in Congress to determine what the Bush administration might have done that requires amnesty.
Nevertheless, the legislation, which seems to be gaining bipartisan support, would create broad areas of legal protections for Bush and other human rights violators for past crimes. By also barring victims from seeking enforcement of the Geneva Conventions in U.S. courts, the bill would give the Bush administration wide latitude for future acts of abuse.
Yet, this troubling "amnesty" signpost -- for an America rushing down a path marked by previous "dirty war" states -- has been passed with barely a comment on its significance.
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Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 25, 2006 1:05 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 25, 2006 1:07 AM
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The idiot abandons not only the traditions and values of his own political party, he attacks and attempts to destroy the long-held bipartisan values of our nation. A corrupt and tin-eared Congress basically rubber stamps his every wish. An infotainment-era newz media rarely calls him to task. The inmates are running the asylum.
It gets worse. He starts not only one war, he starts two-- at about the same time. Not only does he commit this insanity, he does it poorly, not listening to experts and professionals, instead relying on the duo of mean, sour, old men. Through all of this, there are few protests in Washington, D.C.
The scariest thing of all is that in the elections since this moron came to power, fewer than half of those eligible to vote have voted. Most of the citizens are not happy with him, but few bother to do much more than complain.
Help me wake up from my nightmare. Vote on election day.
Yours Truly,
Uncle Sam
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 25, 2006 2:21 AM
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We have got to make sure that Bush and the most blatantly, criminal and murderous administration in American history are called to task and held accountable for their crimes against humanity. We must be certain that that this outlaw president dies in federal prison (Note to the Secret Service: Of natural causes, of course, my dears!) They cannot be allowed to get away with the crimes they have committed against not only the people of the United States, but the peole of Iraq, as well. Any "law" they pass should be stricken down by the people the moment the forces of light and reason are able to take back power. We must see to it that George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice and the tidal wave of human shit and incompetance that comprises this disgusting administration are tried and imprisoned for the rest of their fucking lives for what they've done to the United States of America.
Honestly! Did'ja ever think that this country - your country - would ever turn out this strange?? As Don Imus might say, It makes my hair hurt!
Pray for peace.
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Posted by: Colin on Sep 25, 2006 2:45 AM
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If GWB brought in the law today, does that mean he's covered for crimes committed yesterday - or only from today forth?
Moreover, if he was covered for yesterday, would that not suggest that he's happy in principle with the law working in retrospect. That would surely mean that if someone else got into power tomorrow, they could undo the law and all of a sudden GXB would be liable for his crimes again, no?
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 25, 2006 4:12 AM
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I say that you can stop torture tomorrow. Join The Lincoln Initiative. Tell the leaders of both parties that you won't vote for a party that doesn't uphold the Geneva Convention. It takes five minutes and costs nothing. A small price to pay to save our civilization. Click on Do it now
Even if I'm wrong and we can't stop torture at least you will know that you tried. And the world will know that there are Americans willing to stand up for humanity.
Bob Reichenbach,
The Lincoln Initiative.
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Posted by: pudnpienh on Sep 25, 2006 4:33 AM
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No doubt this column is like a comfortable shoe for many of us who try to keep up, but it's full of insightful nuances that disclose invidious parallels to other people, places and times that should torture our awareness and keep us from writing another chapter of "While We Slept".
Thanks for carrying Mr. Parry's articles
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Posted by: zedaker on Sep 25, 2006 5:36 AM
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This really could lead to WWIII.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 25, 2006 5:59 AM
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This is a long jump on the road to fascism, and if it passes, concentration camps and gas chambers are right around the corner.
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Posted by: rain1998 on Sep 25, 2006 7:08 AM
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You can't call yourself civilized and be in favor of doing something so despicable, so vile, so inhumane that it puts you on the same level as the terrorists.
Bush is endangering the lives of our troops, because he's opening the door for leaders of other countries to ratify the rules.
GWB is one of the most destructive human beings on the planet. He steps on the Constitution, disregards the Bill of Rights, and now he wants to toy with the Geneva Conventions. Meanwhile, the Democrats are silently standing by watching. What the hell is wrong with these people, Don't they see the urgency here?
I'm tired of Bush and his evil Klan getting away with breaking the rules. I've had enough! I doubt that the Democrats will win the mid-term elections, because it's hard to win, when your opponent is unscrupulous and will do anything to beat you. Including: lie, cheat and steal. Democrats must be willing to be as dishonest, devious and just plain lowdown as the corrupt GOP.
I love this country and all she once stood for, but things have changed and the corruption goes so high I don't think we can ever get back what we once had. I'm talking about our democracy, our prestige, our moral standing, our pride. Thanks to GWB, that has all gone away.
Folks, the choice is yours. We can choose to live in fear and continue to let this corrupt administration chip away at the Constitution in the name of ("protecing us") Or we can live up to the principles of "the land of the brave and the home of the free ." Once we lose those principles the terrorist have won.
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Posted by: outlander55 on Sep 25, 2006 8:18 AM
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Posted by: Knowmad on Sep 25, 2006 8:36 AM
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Here’s a little suggestion for you of the brave WH press, even though I suspect you’re not allowed to look at Alternet. Next time Bush - not Snow, he’s but a messenger boy, though obviously far smarter than his boss - enters the Press Room, everyone stand up as usual. Then, once Bush mounts the lectern, all of you present signs you’ve made up beforehand, which state, “I respect the office of the Presidency” and, as one - except, I guess, Fox and Rapture - turn your backs on the silly man and leave.
Then, quick as you can, go and write the story of the brave reporters who stood up for their country against an insidious wave of political fraud and corruption.
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Posted by: axolotl_helix on Sep 25, 2006 8:55 AM
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Assuming they are voted out and replaced by decent human beings some time in near future, all these retroactive amnesty laws will probably be immediately voided- overturned along with most of the other damage Bush has done- and they will all be indicted anyway.
So let them pass this illegitimate, symbolic, fuck-you legislation. They're just giving us the rope to hang them with.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 25, 2006 8:55 AM
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Those who dominate our government and corporations have shown utter contempt for the law. Lawlessness is the rule, not the exception.
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Posted by: pixiequix on Sep 25, 2006 11:57 AM
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The CIA assisted the coup d'etat that overthrew elected Chilean leader Salvadore Allende; Auguste Pinochet was installed as dictator, and Allende was murdered in office. What was the date of this US$ funded manuveur? September 11, 1973.
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Posted by: boltedwood on Sep 25, 2006 1:24 PM
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join and tell others and let it spread
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Posted by: PGC on Sep 25, 2006 4:35 PM
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March 23 1976 marked a highpoint in our global civilization. On that day the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights [Human Rights] came into force. After how many millenniums of crawling and battling, after how many revolutions and dispensing of despots, after two major World Wars, we were finally able to put into words, finally able to codify, an agreed standard of civilized behaviours we expect of each other and especially so of governments.
This standard is under threat. As to those threatening this standard, we must understand “WHO THEY ARE, THEIR MEANS AND GOALS. And then organize to set things back right.
As a species, as a civilization, we did not come this far, just to turn back.
For more see http://360.yahoo.com/etisoppa
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Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Sep 25, 2006 4:45 PM
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http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/911mysteries.html
(Google videos take a long time to come down. Best to get their special player.)
Ask your sceptical friends the simple question: How come the twin towers came down in free fall (ten seconds) as though in a controlled demolition?
(Because it was a controlled demolition, stupid!)
Your sceptical friends will talk about anything - “The Dems would have used it by now”, “George bush isn’t clever enough”, “Americans are like Aussies. They would never do that to each other”, “The price of fish has gone up enormously lately”, “Conspiracy theory!” – anything except the physics and chemistry, and military technology, of what could have happened that day.
“Conspiracy theory!” - favourite that! “Next you'll tell me the Jeeeeews run the world behind the scenes... or maybe its the Trilateral commission... or the Masons.... or the Rothchildes...
or...or maybe the Aliens from the Crab Nebula really are behind it all flitting about in their UFOs. Your childish and foolish conspiracy theories bore me. Your "American" wife isn't much of an American if she agrees with your idiocy. But, don't write me back because those black helicopters that have been following you lately might finally swoop down and geetcha!! Yours, Warner Todd Huston.” That just about sums up the hawkish attitude, and why decent Americans are cowered.
The implications are enormous. We’re talking about the murder of 3000 people, mainly fellow Americans, either through second degree murder (the evacuation failed) or through first degree murder ( they were killed for maximum effect).
If enough talk about it, then the first thing that will happen will be that people will stop and pause before they so glibly refer to the 9/11 attack on America by those who hate and envy America.
Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney, Australia
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Posted by: Burtonger on Sep 25, 2006 6:18 PM
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America would be doing themselves right to take care of these &^%@#$^%$!%^$%@!##$&! on american soil,it would be/ look responsible as a DEMOCRATIC nation should be seen.
But if not, the rest of the real world will, eventually, like KARMA.
" We don't need no stinking badges"
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Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Sep 25, 2006 8:57 PM
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“Direct invasion of a sovereign state has never in fact been America's favoured method. In the main, it has preferred what it has described as 'low intensity conflict'. Low intensity conflict means that thousands of people die but slower than if you dropped a bomb on them in one fell swoop. It means that you infect the heart of the country, that you establish a malignant growth and watch the gangrene bloom. When the populace has been subdued – or beaten to death – the same thing – and your own friends, the military and the great corporations, sit comfortably in power, you go before the camera and say that democracy has prevailed.” (Harold Pinter)
The same applies to Vietnam, a war whose purpose was to undermine a popular revolution in the country (or part of it at any rate) that might inspire other countries to do the same (the “domino effect”):
“In other words, [the U.S. invasion of Vietnam] is primarily a warning for three, and perhaps four, continents. After all, Greece is also a peasant nation and a dictatorship has just been established there. It is best to warn: submission or complete liquidation. So, this exemplary genocide is a warning to all humanity. It is with this warning that six per cent of mankind hope, without too much expense, to control the remaining ninety-four per cent.” (Jean-Paul Sartre, International War Crimes Tribunal, 1967).”
Soldiers would not have to worry about inadequate armor etc, of they weren’t charged with carrying out the crimes of politicians and business leaders in the first place. Therefore, the question is not one of tactics; it is a question of bringing criminals to justice and preventing such crimes in future.
The US has always employed torture (including in Vietnam, as my father, who was involved, will testify); recent events are only unique in that the public is aware of them. I haven’t even mentioned our record in this hemisphere – take a look at the facts… Our country has a dark and sordid history; it is time we faced these facts honestly – it is time to end the denial, lest even more innocents suffer at our hands!
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Posted by: Bullet to the bone on Sep 26, 2006 11:35 AM
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Audio Poem about the veil of interpretation that is separating You and I on this planet.
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Sep 30, 2006 7:58 PM
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I also e-mail my congresspersons and sometimes others. Some of them even reply - surprisingly enough, Richard Lugar sent me a reply directly responsive to my inquiry and suggestions, and in a timely manner. Hillary Clinton's office sent me a form letter telling me I didn't count since I couldn't vote for her, and I was wasting their time like some sort of nuisance.
I encourage my co-workers to email their representatives and provide the addresses. Not one has ever feigned an interest, they roll their eyes and generally treat me like they were all on Hillary's payroll.
A complete turn-over would be beyond belief to me. I'd love to see it, but won't hold my breath. Those who have 'effective' congresspersons won't toss out the golden goose. Like they said in Chicago of Rosty, he may be a crook, but he's our crook.
The neo-imperialists might just as well say that Bush may be a dirty rotten scoundrel, but he's their dirty rotten scoundrel. I imagine that they really do think the war is going along even better than they hoped.
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Oct 2, 2006 1:28 PM
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Now that the US has endorsed torture, by what criteria can we criticize the torture of our own troops (who are, of course, our children)?!
The neo-con imperialists think we don't need laws. When our troops are tortured, we'll just nuke the bastards who did it, right? That'll be a helluva rescue! (No need to get into the inability/refusal of this administration to provide minimal protection for our troops in the wars they've already started; that's a whole 'nother thread!)
It's now official: MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.
Ignor the inconvenient logical conclusions that follow from the above principle. Try not to let your mind produce the obvious observation that by this line of reasoning the only mistake any "leader" (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Khan) can make is TO LOSE!
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Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 25, 2006 1:05 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 25, 2006 1:07 AM
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The idiot abandons not only the traditions and values of his own political party, he attacks and attempts to destroy the long-held bipartisan values of our nation. A corrupt and tin-eared Congress basically rubber stamps his every wish. An infotainment-era newz media rarely calls him to task. The inmates are running the asylum.
It gets worse. He starts not only one war, he starts two-- at about the same time. Not only does he commit this insanity, he does it poorly, not listening to experts and professionals, instead relying on the duo of mean, sour, old men. Through all of this, there are few protests in Washington, D.C.
The scariest thing of all is that in the elections since this moron came to power, fewer than half of those eligible to vote have voted. Most of the citizens are not happy with him, but few bother to do much more than complain.
Help me wake up from my nightmare. Vote on election day.
Yours Truly,
Uncle Sam
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 25, 2006 2:21 AM
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We have got to make sure that Bush and the most blatantly, criminal and murderous administration in American history are called to task and held accountable for their crimes against humanity. We must be certain that that this outlaw president dies in federal prison (Note to the Secret Service: Of natural causes, of course, my dears!) They cannot be allowed to get away with the crimes they have committed against not only the people of the United States, but the peole of Iraq, as well. Any "law" they pass should be stricken down by the people the moment the forces of light and reason are able to take back power. We must see to it that George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice and the tidal wave of human shit and incompetance that comprises this disgusting administration are tried and imprisoned for the rest of their fucking lives for what they've done to the United States of America.
Honestly! Did'ja ever think that this country - your country - would ever turn out this strange?? As Don Imus might say, It makes my hair hurt!
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: Colin on Sep 25, 2006 2:45 AM
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If GWB brought in the law today, does that mean he's covered for crimes committed yesterday - or only from today forth?
Moreover, if he was covered for yesterday, would that not suggest that he's happy in principle with the law working in retrospect. That would surely mean that if someone else got into power tomorrow, they could undo the law and all of a sudden GXB would be liable for his crimes again, no?
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I say that you can stop torture tomorrow. Join The Lincoln Initiative. Tell the leaders of both parties that you won't vote for a party that doesn't uphold the Geneva Convention. It takes five minutes and costs nothing. A small price to pay to save our civilization. Click on Do it now
Even if I'm wrong and we can't stop torture at least you will know that you tried. And the world will know that there are Americans willing to stand up for humanity.
Bob Reichenbach,
The Lincoln Initiative.
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No doubt this column is like a comfortable shoe for many of us who try to keep up, but it's full of insightful nuances that disclose invidious parallels to other people, places and times that should torture our awareness and keep us from writing another chapter of "While We Slept".
Thanks for carrying Mr. Parry's articles
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This really could lead to WWIII.
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This is a long jump on the road to fascism, and if it passes, concentration camps and gas chambers are right around the corner.
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You can't call yourself civilized and be in favor of doing something so despicable, so vile, so inhumane that it puts you on the same level as the terrorists.
Bush is endangering the lives of our troops, because he's opening the door for leaders of other countries to ratify the rules.
GWB is one of the most destructive human beings on the planet. He steps on the Constitution, disregards the Bill of Rights, and now he wants to toy with the Geneva Conventions. Meanwhile, the Democrats are silently standing by watching. What the hell is wrong with these people, Don't they see the urgency here?
I'm tired of Bush and his evil Klan getting away with breaking the rules. I've had enough! I doubt that the Democrats will win the mid-term elections, because it's hard to win, when your opponent is unscrupulous and will do anything to beat you. Including: lie, cheat and steal. Democrats must be willing to be as dishonest, devious and just plain lowdown as the corrupt GOP.
I love this country and all she once stood for, but things have changed and the corruption goes so high I don't think we can ever get back what we once had. I'm talking about our democracy, our prestige, our moral standing, our pride. Thanks to GWB, that has all gone away.
Folks, the choice is yours. We can choose to live in fear and continue to let this corrupt administration chip away at the Constitution in the name of ("protecing us") Or we can live up to the principles of "the land of the brave and the home of the free ." Once we lose those principles the terrorist have won.
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Here’s a little suggestion for you of the brave WH press, even though I suspect you’re not allowed to look at Alternet. Next time Bush - not Snow, he’s but a messenger boy, though obviously far smarter than his boss - enters the Press Room, everyone stand up as usual. Then, once Bush mounts the lectern, all of you present signs you’ve made up beforehand, which state, “I respect the office of the Presidency” and, as one - except, I guess, Fox and Rapture - turn your backs on the silly man and leave.
Then, quick as you can, go and write the story of the brave reporters who stood up for their country against an insidious wave of political fraud and corruption.
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Assuming they are voted out and replaced by decent human beings some time in near future, all these retroactive amnesty laws will probably be immediately voided- overturned along with most of the other damage Bush has done- and they will all be indicted anyway.
So let them pass this illegitimate, symbolic, fuck-you legislation. They're just giving us the rope to hang them with.
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Those who dominate our government and corporations have shown utter contempt for the law. Lawlessness is the rule, not the exception.
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The CIA assisted the coup d'etat that overthrew elected Chilean leader Salvadore Allende; Auguste Pinochet was installed as dictator, and Allende was murdered in office. What was the date of this US$ funded manuveur? September 11, 1973.
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join and tell others and let it spread
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March 23 1976 marked a highpoint in our global civilization. On that day the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights [Human Rights] came into force. After how many millenniums of crawling and battling, after how many revolutions and dispensing of despots, after two major World Wars, we were finally able to put into words, finally able to codify, an agreed standard of civilized behaviours we expect of each other and especially so of governments.
This standard is under threat. As to those threatening this standard, we must understand “WHO THEY ARE, THEIR MEANS AND GOALS. And then organize to set things back right.
As a species, as a civilization, we did not come this far, just to turn back.
For more see http://360.yahoo.com/etisoppa
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Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Sep 25, 2006 4:45 PM
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http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/911mysteries.html
(Google videos take a long time to come down. Best to get their special player.)
Ask your sceptical friends the simple question: How come the twin towers came down in free fall (ten seconds) as though in a controlled demolition?
(Because it was a controlled demolition, stupid!)
Your sceptical friends will talk about anything - “The Dems would have used it by now”, “George bush isn’t clever enough”, “Americans are like Aussies. They would never do that to each other”, “The price of fish has gone up enormously lately”, “Conspiracy theory!” – anything except the physics and chemistry, and military technology, of what could have happened that day.
“Conspiracy theory!” - favourite that! “Next you'll tell me the Jeeeeews run the world behind the scenes... or maybe its the Trilateral commission... or the Masons.... or the Rothchildes...
or...or maybe the Aliens from the Crab Nebula really are behind it all flitting about in their UFOs. Your childish and foolish conspiracy theories bore me. Your "American" wife isn't much of an American if she agrees with your idiocy. But, don't write me back because those black helicopters that have been following you lately might finally swoop down and geetcha!! Yours, Warner Todd Huston.” That just about sums up the hawkish attitude, and why decent Americans are cowered.
The implications are enormous. We’re talking about the murder of 3000 people, mainly fellow Americans, either through second degree murder (the evacuation failed) or through first degree murder ( they were killed for maximum effect).
If enough talk about it, then the first thing that will happen will be that people will stop and pause before they so glibly refer to the 9/11 attack on America by those who hate and envy America.
Robert Hoogenboom
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America would be doing themselves right to take care of these &^%@#$^%$!%^$%@!##$&! on american soil,it would be/ look responsible as a DEMOCRATIC nation should be seen.
But if not, the rest of the real world will, eventually, like KARMA.
" We don't need no stinking badges"
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“Direct invasion of a sovereign state has never in fact been America's favoured method. In the main, it has preferred what it has described as 'low intensity conflict'. Low intensity conflict means that thousands of people die but slower than if you dropped a bomb on them in one fell swoop. It means that you infect the heart of the country, that you establish a malignant growth and watch the gangrene bloom. When the populace has been subdued – or beaten to death – the same thing – and your own friends, the military and the great corporations, sit comfortably in power, you go before the camera and say that democracy has prevailed.” (Harold Pinter)
The same applies to Vietnam, a war whose purpose was to undermine a popular revolution in the country (or part of it at any rate) that might inspire other countries to do the same (the “domino effect”):
“In other words, [the U.S. invasion of Vietnam] is primarily a warning for three, and perhaps four, continents. After all, Greece is also a peasant nation and a dictatorship has just been established there. It is best to warn: submission or complete liquidation. So, this exemplary genocide is a warning to all humanity. It is with this warning that six per cent of mankind hope, without too much expense, to control the remaining ninety-four per cent.” (Jean-Paul Sartre, International War Crimes Tribunal, 1967).”
Soldiers would not have to worry about inadequate armor etc, of they weren’t charged with carrying out the crimes of politicians and business leaders in the first place. Therefore, the question is not one of tactics; it is a question of bringing criminals to justice and preventing such crimes in future.
The US has always employed torture (including in Vietnam, as my father, who was involved, will testify); recent events are only unique in that the public is aware of them. I haven’t even mentioned our record in this hemisphere – take a look at the facts… Our country has a dark and sordid history; it is time we faced these facts honestly – it is time to end the denial, lest even more innocents suffer at our hands!
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Audio Poem about the veil of interpretation that is separating You and I on this planet.
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Sep 30, 2006 7:58 PM
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I also e-mail my congresspersons and sometimes others. Some of them even reply - surprisingly enough, Richard Lugar sent me a reply directly responsive to my inquiry and suggestions, and in a timely manner. Hillary Clinton's office sent me a form letter telling me I didn't count since I couldn't vote for her, and I was wasting their time like some sort of nuisance.
I encourage my co-workers to email their representatives and provide the addresses. Not one has ever feigned an interest, they roll their eyes and generally treat me like they were all on Hillary's payroll.
A complete turn-over would be beyond belief to me. I'd love to see it, but won't hold my breath. Those who have 'effective' congresspersons won't toss out the golden goose. Like they said in Chicago of Rosty, he may be a crook, but he's our crook.
The neo-imperialists might just as well say that Bush may be a dirty rotten scoundrel, but he's their dirty rotten scoundrel. I imagine that they really do think the war is going along even better than they hoped.
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Oct 2, 2006 1:28 PM
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Now that the US has endorsed torture, by what criteria can we criticize the torture of our own troops (who are, of course, our children)?!
The neo-con imperialists think we don't need laws. When our troops are tortured, we'll just nuke the bastards who did it, right? That'll be a helluva rescue! (No need to get into the inability/refusal of this administration to provide minimal protection for our troops in the wars they've already started; that's a whole 'nother thread!)
It's now official: MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.
Ignor the inconvenient logical conclusions that follow from the above principle. Try not to let your mind produce the obvious observation that by this line of reasoning the only mistake any "leader" (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Khan) can make is TO LOSE!
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