COMMENTS: 120
Former Bush Administration Lawyer Still Flacking for Torture
Sign up to stay up to date on the latest Civil Liberties headlines via email.
Torture is in the news again, giving Yoo an opportunity to make his case once more. And just as the White House has worked hard in recent weeks to depict the occupation of Iraq as but a single battle in a larger "struggle for civilization," Yoo now believes that the right to torture -- or as he put it in the New York Times, interrogate "harshly" -- is just one front in a larger crusade.
Bush needs to torture people, Yoo believes, not to extract intelligence but to "reinvigorate the presidency." It takes a subtle legal mind to understand what water-boarding or sleep-deprivation has to do with Bush's other power grabs -- not just claiming the right to imprison without bringing formal charges or to engage in warrantless wiretaps, but to reclassify government documents made public by previous administrations, refuse to tell Americans what advice Enron and the oil industry gave to his energy task force, and issue hundreds of signing statements that empowered him with the right not to enforce laws that have absolutely nothing to do with national security. But professor Yoo sees the bigger picture. They are all moves in a larger fight to restore balance to the three branches of government, to roll back the "supremacy" assumed by the Congress and the judiciary in the wake of Vietnam and Watergate.
We've heard this before, most notably from Dick Cheney, who believes that the greatest achievement of his administration was not the overthrow of the Taliban or Saddam Hussein, not even the tax breaks bestowed on the rich, but the "restoration" of the "power and authority of the president" since the "low point" of the late 1970s, when Congress and the courts either passed or ruled on measures that sought to regulate the imperial presidency. In his op-ed, Yoo ticks off a number of insolent laws passed by Congress in the 1970s that have long been the bête noire of neocons, including the War Powers Resolution and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
It is not, then, the libidinous 1960s that so repulses conservatives but rather the regulatory 1970s. But the kind of new Right Revisionism offered up by tenured radicals such as Yoo is fallacious, driven by either ignorance or a willful manipulation of the facts.
Take, for example, Yoo's extraordinary assertion that Congress attempted to leash the presidency not because of the disaster that was Vietnam or the crimes of Watergate but because during the 1970s "we had no serious national security threats to United States soil." This would be news to the first generation of neocons who in the 1970s manned the barricades in any one of the ever-metastasizing policy organizations -- Coalition for a Democratic Majority, the Committee for the Free World, Committee to Maintain a Prudent Defense Policy (which introduced the young Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz to venerable Cold War warriors such as Dean Acheson and Paul Nitze) and, of course, the Committee on the Present Danger, designed to warn America of, well, the ever-present danger.
Just as today's Project for a New American Century sounds familiar themes of enemy expansion, American weakness, and looming ideological conflict calculated to raise alarm and steel will, these corporate-funded action committees, while concerned with different aspects of foreign policy, gave neoconservatives a chance to rehearse the exaggerated rhetorical style for which they have since become famous. "War, not peace," the Council for Inter-American Security intoned, "is the norm in international relations." "WWIII is almost over," the Soviets are on the march and America is "everywhere in retreat." The crisis confronting the United States was not just strategic but "metaphysical." The "inability or unwillingness" of the America "either to protect or project its basic values and beliefs has led to the present nadir of indecision and impotence and has placed the very existence of the republic in peril."
Contrary to Yoo's blinkered account of an executive branch hamstrung by legislative and judicial supremacists, these conservative groups -- this administration's ideological forebears -- viciously undermined Jimmy Carter's foreign policy prerogative, derailing SALT II, delaying the Panama Canal treaty and preventing the White House from orienting diplomacy away from blind anti-communism. They wanted not a strengthened presidency but their strengthened president.
The new Right Revisionism espoused by Yoo, Cheney and others likewise exaggerates the power claimed by Congress in the 1970s to oversee intelligence gathering, covert operations and war making. Despite much posturing, Democrats in the House and Senate had little desire to hinder the president's ability to conduct foreign policy, building significant loopholes into legislation like the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It is simply not true to claim, as does Yoo, that Congress since Vietnam has tried to "micromanage the executive branch."
While bad history, Yoo's op-ed at least admits that much of what is at stake in this administration's attempt to rewrite the Constitution into a Homeric epic of perpetual war has little to do with national security but rather with, as Bush recently put it in his White House coffee klatch with conservative pundits, changing America's domestic culture.
Neocons have long complained about the "culture of narcissism" that has taken over America since the 1960s. But in its place, they offer a culture of sadism, one that would condone torture so Bush doesn't have to tell us who influenced his energy policy. Now that's narcissistic.
Stay up to date with the latest Civil Liberties headlines via email
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 21, 2006 12:59 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: crazy
Posted by: willymack
Comments are closed-
Posted by: DanYHKim on Sep 21, 2006 3:53 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I do not believe that I had had particularly "political" teachers in school. The lesson seemed to be part of the curriculum.
I am mystified. The sentiments and theories professed by this administration, Dr. Yoo, and those parts of the public who vigorously support them are clearly un-American. They are more consistent with the ideals of National Socialism. Is there something fundamental in the human psyche that makes tyrrany seem more desirable than freedom?
My democratic sensibilities recoiled at the words in Dr. Yoo's editorial in the Times. His indifference to the guiding principles of our constitution and our way of life; as well as his disregard for the historical lessons of the 20th century surely cannot be the result of ignorance. He is a professor at one of our premier universities!
If I were to attempt to write such words, much less submit them for public reading in a national newspaper, I would be so repulsed as to become physically ill during the writing. I feel love and gratitude to this country for the priviledges I enjoy, all undeserving.
Is he from another planet? Is he ill? Has he suffered a blow to the head?
I can't understand this at all!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: UnAmerican
Posted by: tlees2
Comments are closed-
Posted by: adp3d on Sep 21, 2006 4:01 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: katinmn on Sep 21, 2006 4:06 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yoo has earned his ticket to Nuremberg, too. We won't forget.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Yoo must be a pariah on the Berkeley campus
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Yoo must be a pariah on the Berkeley campus
Posted by: aussidawg
» You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: Rawfle
» RE: You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: Elmowilcox
» RE: You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: outsidea
» RE: To learn more
Posted by: Lincoln fan
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 21, 2006 4:19 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As I see it they've already bought both political parties with campaign contributions and lavish lobying. They know that sooner or later the general public will wise up to the fact that neither of our parties represent us. We will rise up and take control of the parties and the government by one means or another.
When that day comes they'll need the strong Executive branch to fight the people's Congress. They are already fighting the next battle because they know that sooner or later they'll lose this one. We have to win this battle to make at least one of the parties represent us before we can win the next one. That's why it's important to win today. It can be done. We can force both parties to compete for our votes by pledging to support our issues before this election.
Now is the time to take control of both parties, to break the corporate hold. Join The Lincoln Initiative. Make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people a reality". It costs nothing and takes five minutes of your time. Do it now. Time is running out; 2008 may be too late.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» HELLO......Lincoln, we are past that...... the elections are rigged!!!! Time to consider....
Posted by: Prophit
» Rigged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Gore DID win! That's WHY we started claiming "elections were rigged"!!
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: aussidawg
» Target rich environment
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: ????????
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: ????????
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: HELLO......Lincoln, we are past that...... the elections are rigged!!!! Time to consider....
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Something makes sense!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: HELLO......Lincoln, we are past that...... the elections are rigged!!!! Time to consider....
Posted by: Lauren
» Those damn computers
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Those damn computers
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Those damn computers
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Not everything fits inside your box
Posted by: brunowe
» there's no difference between the parties
Posted by: Lincoln fan
Comments are closed-
Posted by: ng1944 on Sep 21, 2006 5:21 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
send this mo..r fu...r back to North Korea.
Or better, connect couple of electrical wires to his testicals,
and in five minutes hil will tell You,
that hi is Working for Bin Laden, and came to
America to destroy this country and this Democracy
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Or, he will confess that Bin Laden has been dead for 3 years.....
Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Send him back to North Korea
Posted by: jeanna
Comments are closed-
Posted by: packofwolves on Sep 21, 2006 6:26 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.......BushCo....milking a sad day in our history...
Posted by: picket
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.......BushCo....milking a sad day in our history...
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.......BushCo....milking a sad day in our history...
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: lively56
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: aussidawg
Comments are closed-
Posted by: picket on Sep 21, 2006 6:41 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Put our grandfathers in JAIL....That is the American Dream !!!! Thank you Willie Nelson.
"America the Beautiful " Tribute to Heroes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnEBAzMI7-k
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Sep 21, 2006 6:43 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bringing up Abu Ghraib photos as if these were hardcore torture is only there to remind the liberal reader of Arab outrage to those shocking photos but fails to mention it is nothing in comparison to beheaded Americans. (seems that Islamic terrorists feel they can inflict what ever inhumane torture they want on anyone but don't dare utter a negative word against them or worse yet, have a women guard dominate them! Why don't liberals get outraged over beheadings???
Why didn’t the writer refer to those incidents of torture and say American methods are nothing like what these Islamic fanatics do. American “torture” methods pale compared to what Iraqi’s are doing to each other.. gouging eyes out, acid marks etc.. etc.. sleep deprivation seems humane now!
This comment “ they offer a culture of sadism, one that would condone torture so Bush doesn't have to tell us who influenced his energy policy “ – So Bush tortures people so he doesn’t have to tell us who influenced his energy policy???.. really? And the proof is???????
Many of these remarks are taken out of context and after Moore’s garbage of "out of context" highly edited BS, I question anything written like this..
With the increase in Bushes approval ratings I wonder if Americans (lets say the silent majority- love that phrase) are waking up as we get closer to election time to see overall what Bush/conservatives is trying to do is protect us.
I'm hoping Chavez ranting will sound remarkably like Progressive/liberal ranting and unite the country in those efforts.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» "[W]hat Bush/conservatives is trying to do is protect us"??!!! What you been smokin', Dino-boy?
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» Please - come off the hill and stop being a fool!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» No, I'll stay up here where the "eyes in my head see the world spinning 'round", thank you anyway!
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» Others Do It, But decent human beings do not take their morals from Dictators, Dummy
Posted by: eyeman
» Does this mean we can't be friends!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Does this mean we can't be friends!
Posted by: surfreality
» Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Jamboree
» RE: Does this mean we can't be friends!
Posted by: lively56
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: mjabele
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: mjabele
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Chavez - we may have Bush, but this guy is a pig!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble ....? beheadings..
Posted by: picket
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: lively56
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: laime22
» Mass Murder .. Cluster Bombs, Daisy Cutters, Raping a Whole nation is a lot Worse than Beheading
Posted by: eyeman
» RE: Mass Murder .. Cluster Bombs, Daisy Cutters, Raping a Whole nation is a lot Worse than Beheading
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» You mean those appr. ratings that are ALL the way up in the low 40s? (NT)
Posted by: brunowe
» It's a horse race.. all the liberals need is a horse now!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 21, 2006 6:42 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: picket
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: Lauren
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Prophit on Sep 21, 2006 6:44 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: LeftWright on Sep 21, 2006 7:03 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Actually, we should plan on building a new prison just for the corrupt American elites tried and convicted for their complicity in the crimes of the 911 era.
Unless and until we reform our electoral process, remove the plutocracy from power and restore true American democracy we can only expect more criminal and disastrous "leadership" from our "elites".
Peaceful means must be pursued to this end as violence only plays into the hands of those presently controlling the U.S.
Demand a verifiable paper trail in all elections.
Demand that all eligible voters be allowed to vote in a prompt and timely manner.
Demand answers to all the unanswered questions regarding the events surrounding 911.
The truth shall set you free. Love is the only way forward.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Reserve a cell in Leavenworth for Yoo - or a suite in Iran for Progressives
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Ahmadinajad - man of Peace???..*lol*
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» So...?
Posted by: mjabele
» RE: So...?
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: eserve a cell in Leavenworth for Yoo - or a suite in Iran for Progressives
Posted by: LeftWright
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 21, 2006 7:27 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Hardly unamerican.
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Americans will vote for Empire and torture in November regardless of party.
Posted by: jreinhart1
» RE: Americans will vote for Empire and torture in November regardless of party.
Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Hardly unamerican.
Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Hardly unamerican.
Posted by: Lauren
» OOOps - a mistake!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Misanthrope Yoo Advocates Torturing Children
Posted by: lively56
» RE: Misanthrope Yoo Advocates Torturing Children
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Misanthrope Yoo Advocates Torturing Children
Posted by: Lauren
» Drug War
Posted by: Conservasaurus
Comments are closed-
Posted by: pubradiocat on Sep 21, 2006 11:07 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
yoo@law.berkeley.edu
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 21, 2006 1:52 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
However, there are two uses that these sick pychos have for torture - one is the extraction of confessions for use in secret military tribunals - "subject confessed to being a member of Al Queda, subject confessed to attending training camps in Afghanistan, subject confessed to plotting terror attacks in the USA" - that makes for good press, especially if Bush&Co. can use the 'information' to declare a new terror alert in the US media - be afraid! This is classic 'politics of fear' that many dictatorial regimes have used to keep their populations in line.
The other reason they want to be able to torture with impunity has to do with the control of foreign populations under Rumsfeld's 'shock and awe' rubric, which also includes supporting death squads and CIA-contracted torture chambers in 'target countries'. Here the idea is to terrrify the population into submission using Soviet-style random sweeps - go and pick up a group of men, torture them 'just in case they know something', and then shoot them and dump their bodies in the community neighborhoods as a warning for anyone who might be thinking of rebelling against their corrupt US-paid dictator.
That's the mentality of this neocon administration; that was their Central American strategy in the 1980s, and now we are are seeing it played out by the same actors (John Negroponte , Otto Reich and friends). It has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with suppression of political dissent.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rwa on Sep 21, 2006 2:51 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
" The headlines tell the tale:
From the Washington Post: “Torture Is Torture”
From the Boston Globe: “Rebelling against torture and Bush”
From Fox News: “Bush Faces Election Year Revolt in Own Party”
From Legal News Television: “Bush Fears War Crimes Prosecution”
The President is naked: He is no longer a “wartime president”; he’s now the Torture President.
Officials in the Bush White House could be charged with war crimes.
So they were warned by then -- White House Counsel Alberto Gonzalez after they launched their war against Afghanistan, according to documents obtained by Newsweek last Spring. Gonzalez warned that violations of the War Crimes Act can be punished severely -- including by death, and that it was “difficult to predict with confidence” how a future Justice Department might apply the law.
Special focus was placed on language in the Geneva Conventions that condemns "outrages upon personal dignity" and "inhuman treatment" of prisoners. These crimes were "undefined," according to Gonzalez, the same plea we hear today from President Bush.
Warning the administration of its potential culpability, Gonzalez urged the President, to, in effect, bluff it out. He wrote, "Your determination would create a reasonable basis in law that (the War Crimes Act) does not apply which would provide a solid defense to any future prosecution."
A series of Administration torture memos have been made public, memos vetted by Gonzalez, lawyers at the National Security Council and staffers for Vice President Dick Cheney. They were meant to provide the regime with legal cover for state-approved torture and held that Bush, as Commander-in-Chief, was above the law.
According to a Justice Department memo on August 1, 2002, the administration’s “ban on torture is limited to only the most extreme forms of physical and mental harm" -- actions that might cause "death or organ failure." Anything “less,” the regime defined as mere “abuse.”
“Abuse” would seem to include these techniques used against detainees in Iraq, according to an FBI memo released by the ACLU: “strangulation, beatings, [and] placement of lit cigarettes into the detainees ear openings."
In a February 2002 letter, Bush took the matter of torture on himself: "I accept the legal conclusion of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice that I have the authority to suspend Geneva (conventions) as between the United States and Afghanistan. I reserve the right to exercise this authority in this or future conflicts."
That defense evaporated with the recent Supreme Court decision in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, which held that the US is bound by the letter of the Geneva Conventions.
The administration, facing the reality of potential prosecution as war criminals, is increasingly desperate.
The GOP is a party in revolt against itself, one trying to distance itself from itself, ducking for cover from itself and from the fallout of simultaneously being too fascistic and not fascistic enough.
The Bush regime and the Republicans are in profound danger on other fronts as well. Following the lead of imperialist strategists from Democrat Zbignew Brzezinski to the Project for a New American Century, the regime committed itself to a plan of conquest in the Middle East and Central Asia, and to a fascistic program of political and racial repression at home, all under the rubric of a “war on terror.”
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rwa on Sep 21, 2006 2:53 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Bush crew determined, in any case, to make the US less “democratic” at “home,” and to launch a series of pre-planned wars for global dominance abroad.
Deeply hated by people everywhere, on the verge of losing power in the House and Senate, divided over torture, spying, military tribunals, secret prisons, immigration, and plans for war against Iran, mired in loss in Iraq, rocked by scandal and widespread corruption, exposed as mass killers of the innocent in Lebanon and as racists in New Orleans, the Republican regime is finding that its center cannot hold.
The Christian Science Monitor says that 61% of people in the US oppose the war in Iraq.
By a margin of 52% to 43%, respondents to a Zogby poll want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge’s approval -- which, of course, he did.
The Republican Party and the Bush regime are in chaos.
Strategically, the Republicans have pushed things to a breaking point: they’ve overextended the Empire in ways that could lead to its defeat.
At last the mainstream press is on the attack -- they want no imperial defeat -- and would-be “moderate” Republican imperialists like John McCain are in rebellion. Even Colin Powell, who as one pundit noted “helped design and lead” Bush’s policy toward “terrorists,” is on the attack, breaking his public silence on the matter of torture years after the fact. The lifeboat is filled with rats.
Republican operatives have a keen eye on Bush’s military lap dog, Tony Blair, as his engine sputters in mid-flight, as his key supporters demand his resignation, his Labor Party painfully aware that if it “stays the course” its dominance of British politics is lost. Blair has promised to resign by Spring -- just long enough to help Bush launch war against Iran, one assumes.
Even here the Republicans are divided. According to Martin Walker of UPI, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has cold feet over the regime’s plan for striking Iran while Vice President Dick Cheney is pushing all the harder for war. Walker writes, “This heralds the first important policy breech between the triumvirate of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld, sometimes known in Washington as "the iron triangle," in almost six years of the Bush administration.”
Let no one think the mainstream press or the Republicans suddenly “got religion,” or anything else akin to morality.
The Bush regime is failing miserably -- in Iraq and elsewhere -- at fulfilling the geo-strategic mandate laid out by the “Democrat’s Kissinger,” Brzezinski whose strategic thinking finds striking parallels in the Project for a New American Century cabal that runs the White House.
"The most immediate task,” Brzezinski wrote, “is to make certain that no state or combination of states gains the capacity to expel the United States from Eurasia or even to diminish significantly its decisive arbitration role."
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: mjabele on Sep 21, 2006 8:02 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm afraid I don't understand your comment about taking pictures at all. I still think electrocuting and waterboarding prisoners isn't all that different from gouging out eyes or dripping acid on them, though I'm kind of shocked that we seem to be arguing about whether US "levels" of torture (or "harsh interrogation" - sorry!) are equal to what terrorists use or not.
As for your last statement, of course one has to give up some things in wartime - I've been in the military myself, though I wouldn't argue that Bosnia 1996 was an example of direct combat. But it wasn't exactly fun to be deployed, either. I'm willing to (and during that deployment, did) give up things like comfort, freedom to move about as I pleased, access to family - and though I wasn't put in that position, I'd be willing to give up my life as well to defend the principles of liberty that I believe the United States was founded upon two centuries ago. But on the other hand, I was not then, and am not now, willing to give up essential powers of government to a "unitary Executive" in defiance of how I think the Constitution of this country was written and ought to be interpreted.
Like many other Americans, I think the President's goals to expand his powers put democracy at risk in our country - particularly given the length of time it will take, by his own admission, to win this "generational" war against terrorism. I don't think anyone in 1939 viewed that struggle as one that would last decades - but assuming it had, perhaps whatever freedoms were shelved during those 6 years might not have been so quickly restored, and the world in 1984 might have looked more like what George Orwell projected. Personally, I think the unrestricted ability to wiretap and eavesdrop (and torture!) will lead, over the time course presupposed by this particular conflict, to an irresistible temptation on the part of future Executives to use such powers against domestic opponents rather than just foreign ones. Did we give up essential freedoms during the many decades of Cold War conflict with the USSR? Some people argued at the time that we needed to, but we didn't, and in the end we won anyway.....or, I would argue, perhaps even because of that.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Oops - meant as response to "What are you Progressive guys thinking?"
Posted by: mjabele
Comments are closed-
Posted by: diggins on Sep 21, 2006 8:52 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
yoo is a felon, and a traitor
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: torture is a felony
Posted by: diggins
» RE: torture is a felony
Posted by: diggins
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Sep 22, 2006 1:19 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's the same, I suspect, with Yoo: he found ways to interpret laws and ideas so that they now mean - to those who choose to use them so - exactly the opposite of what they were written to mean. It's like solving the NYT crossword puzzle but even more so to him. And no more. If some 14 year old gets tortured to death, it has nothing to do with him at all, in his mind. He did what he was supposed to do, what he was trained to do, and he did it very well. That's his entire take on it.
Lawyers who get the death penalty for people they know are innocent seem to feel the same. They don't kill anyone - they just figure out complex tactics and make them work.
Ian
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rollo on Sep 22, 2006 3:22 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: FUCK YOO
Posted by: jeanna
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Sep 24, 2006 3:35 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Short of the entire military - which is apparently full of fanatics now too - joining up with all armed civilians and sweeping the country, I don't know that I see the resources plus organization it would take to clean house. Even then it would be a witch hunt, with, as always, a lot of non-witches (with apologies to any real witches, but it's an old example) being burned. The bastards have messed us up pretty seriously, here.
By the time we're able to straighten things up even partially, a LOT of poor and other needy, people on government medical of one sort or another (which includes my wife and me) and others are going to be homeless or just plain dead no matter what.
Ian
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: larry.gilliam on Sep 27, 2006 7:24 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
- False confessions can be used to 'prove' that we are 'effective' at combatting terror. this is true even when the confessor is innocent.
-Using torture silences dissent.
-In combination with tribunals, where detainees cannot see evidence and have no access to lawyers, false confessions help convict all detainees, even if there is no evidence, justifying any actions we might take.
And, we have had shows, such as '24', help us to become accustomed to the idea.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 21, 2006 12:59 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: crazy
Posted by: willymack
Comments are closed-
Posted by: DanYHKim on Sep 21, 2006 3:53 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I do not believe that I had had particularly "political" teachers in school. The lesson seemed to be part of the curriculum.
I am mystified. The sentiments and theories professed by this administration, Dr. Yoo, and those parts of the public who vigorously support them are clearly un-American. They are more consistent with the ideals of National Socialism. Is there something fundamental in the human psyche that makes tyrrany seem more desirable than freedom?
My democratic sensibilities recoiled at the words in Dr. Yoo's editorial in the Times. His indifference to the guiding principles of our constitution and our way of life; as well as his disregard for the historical lessons of the 20th century surely cannot be the result of ignorance. He is a professor at one of our premier universities!
If I were to attempt to write such words, much less submit them for public reading in a national newspaper, I would be so repulsed as to become physically ill during the writing. I feel love and gratitude to this country for the priviledges I enjoy, all undeserving.
Is he from another planet? Is he ill? Has he suffered a blow to the head?
I can't understand this at all!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: UnAmerican
Posted by: tlees2
Comments are closed-
Posted by: adp3d on Sep 21, 2006 4:01 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: katinmn on Sep 21, 2006 4:06 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yoo has earned his ticket to Nuremberg, too. We won't forget.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Yoo must be a pariah on the Berkeley campus
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Yoo must be a pariah on the Berkeley campus
Posted by: aussidawg
» You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: Rawfle
» RE: You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: Elmowilcox
» RE: You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: You guys are brilliant!
Posted by: outsidea
» RE: To learn more
Posted by: Lincoln fan
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 21, 2006 4:19 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As I see it they've already bought both political parties with campaign contributions and lavish lobying. They know that sooner or later the general public will wise up to the fact that neither of our parties represent us. We will rise up and take control of the parties and the government by one means or another.
When that day comes they'll need the strong Executive branch to fight the people's Congress. They are already fighting the next battle because they know that sooner or later they'll lose this one. We have to win this battle to make at least one of the parties represent us before we can win the next one. That's why it's important to win today. It can be done. We can force both parties to compete for our votes by pledging to support our issues before this election.
Now is the time to take control of both parties, to break the corporate hold. Join The Lincoln Initiative. Make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people a reality". It costs nothing and takes five minutes of your time. Do it now. Time is running out; 2008 may be too late.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» HELLO......Lincoln, we are past that...... the elections are rigged!!!! Time to consider....
Posted by: Prophit
» Rigged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Gore DID win! That's WHY we started claiming "elections were rigged"!!
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: aussidawg
» Target rich environment
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: ????????
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: ????????
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: igged elections ranks right up there with 9-11 conspiracy theories
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: HELLO......Lincoln, we are past that...... the elections are rigged!!!! Time to consider....
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Something makes sense!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: HELLO......Lincoln, we are past that...... the elections are rigged!!!! Time to consider....
Posted by: Lauren
» Those damn computers
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Those damn computers
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Those damn computers
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Not everything fits inside your box
Posted by: brunowe
» there's no difference between the parties
Posted by: Lincoln fan
Comments are closed-
Posted by: ng1944 on Sep 21, 2006 5:21 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
send this mo..r fu...r back to North Korea.
Or better, connect couple of electrical wires to his testicals,
and in five minutes hil will tell You,
that hi is Working for Bin Laden, and came to
America to destroy this country and this Democracy
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Or, he will confess that Bin Laden has been dead for 3 years.....
Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Send him back to North Korea
Posted by: jeanna
Comments are closed-
Posted by: packofwolves on Sep 21, 2006 6:26 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.......BushCo....milking a sad day in our history...
Posted by: picket
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.......BushCo....milking a sad day in our history...
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.......BushCo....milking a sad day in our history...
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: lively56
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: A taste of one's own medicine.
Posted by: aussidawg
Comments are closed-
Posted by: picket on Sep 21, 2006 6:41 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Put our grandfathers in JAIL....That is the American Dream !!!! Thank you Willie Nelson.
"America the Beautiful " Tribute to Heroes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnEBAzMI7-k
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Sep 21, 2006 6:43 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bringing up Abu Ghraib photos as if these were hardcore torture is only there to remind the liberal reader of Arab outrage to those shocking photos but fails to mention it is nothing in comparison to beheaded Americans. (seems that Islamic terrorists feel they can inflict what ever inhumane torture they want on anyone but don't dare utter a negative word against them or worse yet, have a women guard dominate them! Why don't liberals get outraged over beheadings???
Why didn’t the writer refer to those incidents of torture and say American methods are nothing like what these Islamic fanatics do. American “torture” methods pale compared to what Iraqi’s are doing to each other.. gouging eyes out, acid marks etc.. etc.. sleep deprivation seems humane now!
This comment “ they offer a culture of sadism, one that would condone torture so Bush doesn't have to tell us who influenced his energy policy “ – So Bush tortures people so he doesn’t have to tell us who influenced his energy policy???.. really? And the proof is???????
Many of these remarks are taken out of context and after Moore’s garbage of "out of context" highly edited BS, I question anything written like this..
With the increase in Bushes approval ratings I wonder if Americans (lets say the silent majority- love that phrase) are waking up as we get closer to election time to see overall what Bush/conservatives is trying to do is protect us.
I'm hoping Chavez ranting will sound remarkably like Progressive/liberal ranting and unite the country in those efforts.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» "[W]hat Bush/conservatives is trying to do is protect us"??!!! What you been smokin', Dino-boy?
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» Please - come off the hill and stop being a fool!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» No, I'll stay up here where the "eyes in my head see the world spinning 'round", thank you anyway!
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» Others Do It, But decent human beings do not take their morals from Dictators, Dummy
Posted by: eyeman
» Does this mean we can't be friends!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Does this mean we can't be friends!
Posted by: surfreality
» Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Going out on a limb here..
Posted by: Jamboree
» RE: Does this mean we can't be friends!
Posted by: lively56
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: mjabele
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: mjabele
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Chavez - we may have Bush, but this guy is a pig!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble ....? beheadings..
Posted by: picket
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: lively56
» RE: If this is "Proggressive" thinking, you guys are in trouble
Posted by: laime22
» Mass Murder .. Cluster Bombs, Daisy Cutters, Raping a Whole nation is a lot Worse than Beheading
Posted by: eyeman
» RE: Mass Murder .. Cluster Bombs, Daisy Cutters, Raping a Whole nation is a lot Worse than Beheading
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» You mean those appr. ratings that are ALL the way up in the low 40s? (NT)
Posted by: brunowe
» It's a horse race.. all the liberals need is a horse now!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 21, 2006 6:42 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: picket
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Most shocking......your president Bush has no problem....
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Most shocking
Posted by: Lauren
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Prophit on Sep 21, 2006 6:44 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: LeftWright on Sep 21, 2006 7:03 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Actually, we should plan on building a new prison just for the corrupt American elites tried and convicted for their complicity in the crimes of the 911 era.
Unless and until we reform our electoral process, remove the plutocracy from power and restore true American democracy we can only expect more criminal and disastrous "leadership" from our "elites".
Peaceful means must be pursued to this end as violence only plays into the hands of those presently controlling the U.S.
Demand a verifiable paper trail in all elections.
Demand that all eligible voters be allowed to vote in a prompt and timely manner.
Demand answers to all the unanswered questions regarding the events surrounding 911.
The truth shall set you free. Love is the only way forward.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Reserve a cell in Leavenworth for Yoo - or a suite in Iran for Progressives
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Ahmadinajad - man of Peace???..*lol*
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» So...?
Posted by: mjabele
» RE: So...?
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: eserve a cell in Leavenworth for Yoo - or a suite in Iran for Progressives
Posted by: LeftWright
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 21, 2006 7:27 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Hardly unamerican.
Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Americans will vote for Empire and torture in November regardless of party.
Posted by: jreinhart1
» RE: Americans will vote for Empire and torture in November regardless of party.
Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Hardly unamerican.
Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Hardly unamerican.
Posted by: Lauren
» OOOps - a mistake!
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Misanthrope Yoo Advocates Torturing Children
Posted by: lively56
» RE: Misanthrope Yoo Advocates Torturing Children
Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Misanthrope Yoo Advocates Torturing Children
Posted by: Lauren
» Drug War
Posted by: Conservasaurus
Comments are closed-
Posted by: pubradiocat on Sep 21, 2006 11:07 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
yoo@law.berkeley.edu
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 21, 2006 1:52 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
However, there are two uses that these sick pychos have for torture - one is the extraction of confessions for use in secret military tribunals - "subject confessed to being a member of Al Queda, subject confessed to attending training camps in Afghanistan, subject confessed to plotting terror attacks in the USA" - that makes for good press, especially if Bush&Co. can use the 'information' to declare a new terror alert in the US media - be afraid! This is classic 'politics of fear' that many dictatorial regimes have used to keep their populations in line.
The other reason they want to be able to torture with impunity has to do with the control of foreign populations under Rumsfeld's 'shock and awe' rubric, which also includes supporting death squads and CIA-contracted torture chambers in 'target countries'. Here the idea is to terrrify the population into submission using Soviet-style random sweeps - go and pick up a group of men, torture them 'just in case they know something', and then shoot them and dump their bodies in the community neighborhoods as a warning for anyone who might be thinking of rebelling against their corrupt US-paid dictator.
That's the mentality of this neocon administration; that was their Central American strategy in the 1980s, and now we are are seeing it played out by the same actors (John Negroponte , Otto Reich and friends). It has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with suppression of political dissent.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rwa on Sep 21, 2006 2:51 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
" The headlines tell the tale:
From the Washington Post: “Torture Is Torture”
From the Boston Globe: “Rebelling against torture and Bush”
From Fox News: “Bush Faces Election Year Revolt in Own Party”
From Legal News Television: “Bush Fears War Crimes Prosecution”
The President is naked: He is no longer a “wartime president”; he’s now the Torture President.
Officials in the Bush White House could be charged with war crimes.
So they were warned by then -- White House Counsel Alberto Gonzalez after they launched their war against Afghanistan, according to documents obtained by Newsweek last Spring. Gonzalez warned that violations of the War Crimes Act can be punished severely -- including by death, and that it was “difficult to predict with confidence” how a future Justice Department might apply the law.
Special focus was placed on language in the Geneva Conventions that condemns "outrages upon personal dignity" and "inhuman treatment" of prisoners. These crimes were "undefined," according to Gonzalez, the same plea we hear today from President Bush.
Warning the administration of its potential culpability, Gonzalez urged the President, to, in effect, bluff it out. He wrote, "Your determination would create a reasonable basis in law that (the War Crimes Act) does not apply which would provide a solid defense to any future prosecution."
A series of Administration torture memos have been made public, memos vetted by Gonzalez, lawyers at the National Security Council and staffers for Vice President Dick Cheney. They were meant to provide the regime with legal cover for state-approved torture and held that Bush, as Commander-in-Chief, was above the law.
According to a Justice Department memo on August 1, 2002, the administration’s “ban on torture is limited to only the most extreme forms of physical and mental harm" -- actions that might cause "death or organ failure." Anything “less,” the regime defined as mere “abuse.”
“Abuse” would seem to include these techniques used against detainees in Iraq, according to an FBI memo released by the ACLU: “strangulation, beatings, [and] placement of lit cigarettes into the detainees ear openings."
In a February 2002 letter, Bush took the matter of torture on himself: "I accept the legal conclusion of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice that I have the authority to suspend Geneva (conventions) as between the United States and Afghanistan. I reserve the right to exercise this authority in this or future conflicts."
That defense evaporated with the recent Supreme Court decision in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, which held that the US is bound by the letter of the Geneva Conventions.
The administration, facing the reality of potential prosecution as war criminals, is increasingly desperate.
The GOP is a party in revolt against itself, one trying to distance itself from itself, ducking for cover from itself and from the fallout of simultaneously being too fascistic and not fascistic enough.
The Bush regime and the Republicans are in profound danger on other fronts as well. Following the lead of imperialist strategists from Democrat Zbignew Brzezinski to the Project for a New American Century, the regime committed itself to a plan of conquest in the Middle East and Central Asia, and to a fascistic program of political and racial repression at home, all under the rubric of a “war on terror.”
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rwa on Sep 21, 2006 2:53 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Bush crew determined, in any case, to make the US less “democratic” at “home,” and to launch a series of pre-planned wars for global dominance abroad.
Deeply hated by people everywhere, on the verge of losing power in the House and Senate, divided over torture, spying, military tribunals, secret prisons, immigration, and plans for war against Iran, mired in loss in Iraq, rocked by scandal and widespread corruption, exposed as mass killers of the innocent in Lebanon and as racists in New Orleans, the Republican regime is finding that its center cannot hold.
The Christian Science Monitor says that 61% of people in the US oppose the war in Iraq.
By a margin of 52% to 43%, respondents to a Zogby poll want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge’s approval -- which, of course, he did.
The Republican Party and the Bush regime are in chaos.
Strategically, the Republicans have pushed things to a breaking point: they’ve overextended the Empire in ways that could lead to its defeat.
At last the mainstream press is on the attack -- they want no imperial defeat -- and would-be “moderate” Republican imperialists like John McCain are in rebellion. Even Colin Powell, who as one pundit noted “helped design and lead” Bush’s policy toward “terrorists,” is on the attack, breaking his public silence on the matter of torture years after the fact. The lifeboat is filled with rats.
Republican operatives have a keen eye on Bush’s military lap dog, Tony Blair, as his engine sputters in mid-flight, as his key supporters demand his resignation, his Labor Party painfully aware that if it “stays the course” its dominance of British politics is lost. Blair has promised to resign by Spring -- just long enough to help Bush launch war against Iran, one assumes.
Even here the Republicans are divided. According to Martin Walker of UPI, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has cold feet over the regime’s plan for striking Iran while Vice President Dick Cheney is pushing all the harder for war. Walker writes, “This heralds the first important policy breech between the triumvirate of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld, sometimes known in Washington as "the iron triangle," in almost six years of the Bush administration.”
Let no one think the mainstream press or the Republicans suddenly “got religion,” or anything else akin to morality.
The Bush regime is failing miserably -- in Iraq and elsewhere -- at fulfilling the geo-strategic mandate laid out by the “Democrat’s Kissinger,” Brzezinski whose strategic thinking finds striking parallels in the Project for a New American Century cabal that runs the White House.
"The most immediate task,” Brzezinski wrote, “is to make certain that no state or combination of states gains the capacity to expel the United States from Eurasia or even to diminish significantly its decisive arbitration role."
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: mjabele on Sep 21, 2006 8:02 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm afraid I don't understand your comment about taking pictures at all. I still think electrocuting and waterboarding prisoners isn't all that different from gouging out eyes or dripping acid on them, though I'm kind of shocked that we seem to be arguing about whether US "levels" of torture (or "harsh interrogation" - sorry!) are equal to what terrorists use or not.
As for your last statement, of course one has to give up some things in wartime - I've been in the military myself, though I wouldn't argue that Bosnia 1996 was an example of direct combat. But it wasn't exactly fun to be deployed, either. I'm willing to (and during that deployment, did) give up things like comfort, freedom to move about as I pleased, access to family - and though I wasn't put in that position, I'd be willing to give up my life as well to defend the principles of liberty that I believe the United States was founded upon two centuries ago. But on the other hand, I was not then, and am not now, willing to give up essential powers of government to a "unitary Executive" in defiance of how I think the Constitution of this country was written and ought to be interpreted.
Like many other Americans, I think the President's goals to expand his powers put democracy at risk in our country - particularly given the length of time it will take, by his own admission, to win this "generational" war against terrorism. I don't think anyone in 1939 viewed that struggle as one that would last decades - but assuming it had, perhaps whatever freedoms were shelved during those 6 years might not have been so quickly restored, and the world in 1984 might have looked more like what George Orwell projected. Personally, I think the unrestricted ability to wiretap and eavesdrop (and torture!) will lead, over the time course presupposed by this particular conflict, to an irresistible temptation on the part of future Executives to use such powers against domestic opponents rather than just foreign ones. Did we give up essential freedoms during the many decades of Cold War conflict with the USSR? Some people argued at the time that we needed to, but we didn't, and in the end we won anyway.....or, I would argue, perhaps even because of that.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Oops - meant as response to "What are you Progressive guys thinking?"
Posted by: mjabele
Comments are closed-
Posted by: diggins on Sep 21, 2006 8:52 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
yoo is a felon, and a traitor
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: torture is a felony
Posted by: diggins
» RE: torture is a felony
Posted by: diggins
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Sep 22, 2006 1:19 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's the same, I suspect, with Yoo: he found ways to interpret laws and ideas so that they now mean - to those who choose to use them so - exactly the opposite of what they were written to mean. It's like solving the NYT crossword puzzle but even more so to him. And no more. If some 14 year old gets tortured to death, it has nothing to do with him at all, in his mind. He did what he was supposed to do, what he was trained to do, and he did it very well. That's his entire take on it.
Lawyers who get the death penalty for people they know are innocent seem to feel the same. They don't kill anyone - they just figure out complex tactics and make them work.
Ian
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rollo on Sep 22, 2006 3:22 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: FUCK YOO
Posted by: jeanna
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Sep 24, 2006 3:35 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Short of the entire military - which is apparently full of fanatics now too - joining up with all armed civilians and sweeping the country, I don't know that I see the resources plus organization it would take to clean house. Even then it would be a witch hunt, with, as always, a lot of non-witches (with apologies to any real witches, but it's an old example) being burned. The bastards have messed us up pretty seriously, here.
By the time we're able to straighten things up even partially, a LOT of poor and other needy, people on government medical of one sort or another (which includes my wife and me) and others are going to be homeless or just plain dead no matter what.
Ian
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: larry.gilliam on Sep 27, 2006 7:24 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
- False confessions can be used to 'prove' that we are 'effective' at combatting terror. this is true even when the confessor is innocent.
-Using torture silences dissent.
-In combination with tribunals, where detainees cannot see evidence and have no access to lawyers, false confessions help convict all detainees, even if there is no evidence, justifying any actions we might take.
And, we have had shows, such as '24', help us to become accustomed to the idea.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Starbucks' Cop-Out to Gun Nuts: Customers Served Coffee While Strapped
ACORN Smear Collaborator Claims Persecution to Raise Money for Her Legal Troubles
Bad Policies Are Really What's Driving California's Huge Prison Costs




