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Evangelical Conversion-for-Parole Program Thwarted

By Rob Boston, Church and State. Posted August 28, 2006.


A Bush-funded prison initiative that fast-tracked parole for Christian converts has been swatted down in the federal courts.
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The day after a federal court struck down a taxpayer-supported evangelical Christian program in an Iowa prison, Mark Earley, president of Prison Fellowship, issued a press statement. He was not pleased.

"The courts took God out of America's schools, now they are on the path to take God out of America's prisons," Earley groused.

Earley's analysis of judicial decisions dealing with religion and public schools was widely off the mark, but he had good reason to be upset about the recent ruling on public funds for inmate indoctrination. His organization, Prison Fellowship Ministries, founded by ex-Watergate felon Charles Colson, has been sponsoring the Iowa program for three years. If the ruling stands up on appeal, not only will Earley's group have to shut down the program, it will be required to repay the state of Iowa more than $1.5 million in public support it has received during that time.

The June 2 decision in Americans United for Separation of Church and State v. Prison Fellowship Ministries was a staggering loss not just for Earley's group but perhaps for key elements of President George W. Bush's "faith-based" initiative as well.

U.S. District Judge Robert W. Pratt didn't mince words. Officials at Iowa's Newton Correctional Facility had become, he wrote, far too entangled with religion by establishing a special wing for Prison Fellowship's InnerChange program. InnerChange, Pratt declared, is suffused with religion.

"The religion classes are not objective inquiries into the religious life, comparable to an adult study or college course, offered for the sake of discussing and learning universal secular, civic values or truths," Pratt wrote. "They are, instead, overwhelmingly devotional in nature and intended to indoctrinate InnerChange inmates into the Evangelical Christian belief system."

Later in the ruling, Pratt observed, "For all practical purposes, the state has literally established an Evangelical Christian congregation within the walls of one of its penal institutions, giving the leaders of that congregation, i.e., InnerChange employees, authority to control the spiritual, emotional, and physical lives of hundreds of Iowa inmates. There are no adequate safeguards present, nor could there be, to ensure that state funds are not being directly spent to indoctrinate Iowa inmates."

Attorneys at Americans United were especially gratified by the legal victory. For AU's legal team, Pratt's meticulous 140-page ruling capped more than three years of hard work, including extensive research and on-site visits with inmates and their families in Newton.

Americans United first became interested in the case late in 2002 after a Newton inmate filed a lawsuit pro se (without an attorney) challenging the program and outlining its details. Americans United agreed to represent the inmate and filed another lawsuit against the state's support of the program on behalf of taxpayers and family members of inmates. The two lawsuits were then combined into one.

The InnerChange program was given the prison's "honor unit," which had been used to house the best-behaved inmates. Those inmates were dumped back into the general population. In their place, about 200 inmates took possession of the wing and began receiving religious instruction around the clock.

Iowa corrections officials had instituted the program in 1999. In the first full year, the state allocated $229,950 from its Inmate Telephone Rebate Fund, funds obtained from surcharges placed on calls made to and by inmates. A few years after that, the state stopped using the telephone monies, instead funding the program with direct appropriations from the Healthy Iowans Tobacco Trust, which is partly composed of tax dollars.

Many inmates and their families were especially upset over the allocation from the telephone rebate program. Money from that fund is supposed to be spent on programs to benefit all prisoners, yet a significant portion of it was being siphoned off to fund a religious program that only some inmates wanted.

AU's lawsuit challenged only state involvement with InnerChange, not religious programs in prisons generally. Prison inmates have the right to practice their faith behind bars. They may read religious literature, receive visits from spiritual counselors and, within the confines of the unique security needs of prisons, access religious items.

The InnerChange program was something entirely different. The effort was established at Newton Correctional Facility after public issuance of a proposal that Pratt determined was "gerrymandered" to fit only the Colson group. State officials, he concluded, were adamant about establishing the evangelical program in the prison.


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When enemies are identical
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Aug 28, 2006 12:08 AM   
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Religious nutters are all the same

"Two journalists kidnapped in the Gaza Strip two weeks ago were released yesterday after their militant kidnappers forced them at gunpoint to say on a videotape that they had converted to Islam..."

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blow
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 28, 2006 2:18 AM   
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A well-deserved blow against the Bushies' faith-based propaganda machine. Maybe now we can have a government that can actually do some good instead of the Bushies' immense harm in the world. The Bushies' fake religion and fake accomplishments should be replaced by reality-based good works.

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I wish...
Posted by: willie.horton on Aug 28, 2006 4:00 AM   
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If only this were an isolated similarity between the Bush administration and fanatical Islam, instead of just another drop in the bucket.
Our government's methods are so similar to those of other religious extremists around the world, it's almost as though Bush went to one of those terrorist training camps.
Oh wait, he did... but he called it "church."

In Heaven, Jesus and Mohammed probably get together every day to bemoan the horrible things humans are doing in Their names.
Meanwhile, George Orwell's rotational speed in his grave has increased to 7800 RPM.

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» RE: I wish... Posted by: rhinojos
George W. Bush's Satan-based phony religion
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Aug 28, 2006 4:05 AM   
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It would be well if all take the time to investigate the evils of the Bush family. They have have worked EVERY ANGLE to rob, steal and kill innocents for PROFIT. Hooking on to their version of Christian religion is the very lowest blow that any human could encounter. These people are WEISELS. THEY WEISEL AROUND EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY OF A PERSON'S SOUL INVADING EVERY PART OF THE HUMAN PSYCHE WHERE THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE. Go back and read how both Bush grandparents accumulated their fortune. BELIEVE ME. THEY ARE AMONG THE LOWEST HUMANS IN EXISTENCE!

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Unfortunately
Posted by: paulaH on Aug 28, 2006 4:09 AM   
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The chances of this ruling being overturned is high, I think. The christian nuts have moles everywhere, including the judicial system. Some brainwashed christian judge will decide this is a wonderful thing, Constitution be damned.

Christians think a theocracy is a grand idea. What most of them don't realize is that the chances of it being THEIR idea of christianity is slim. One day it will be THEIR version of that religion that is declared evil and of Satan by the government sponsored religion. They will suddenly say, "Hey! Wait a minute! You can't do that! This is a free country! The Constitution guarantees us freedom of religion!" Yes, well, when you let the Powers That Be stomp on one group's Constitutional rights, it won't be long before they're stomping on yours, too.

Freedom of religion means EVERY CITIZEN has the freedom to practice their religion, no matter what religion that is. It doesn't guarantee just freedom of christian religion.

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Public Stoning: Not Just For the Taliban Anymore
Posted by: fork on Aug 28, 2006 7:08 AM   
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Check out alternet's Public Stoning article from August 15th. Several posters disputed the influence of US Christian extremists:

Poe wrote:
"There is no radical Christian fringe movement that can take over this country.
It’s not happening now, and it won’t in the future. We have enough checks and balances in this country to keep it on an even keel. "

From kenhymes:
"More exaggeration of the influence of far-right Christian fundamentalists."
"You're scared of a big fat nothing. Where is the proof that anything even remotely resembling a theocracy is possible in this country?
(snip)
You have once again conflated the rantings of a few publicity hungry fundamentalists with an effective and successful movement. The religious right "has the power"? Whatever... it's the corporations who have the power, and they're counting their money, not their rosaries, sweetie."

That this initiative required three years of work and a 140 page ruling to overturn is chilling.

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Wait, wait, don't tell me...
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Aug 28, 2006 7:15 AM   
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...the rest of the scheme involves DENYING parole FOREVER to anyone who converts to Islam, right?

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I wonder
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 28, 2006 8:07 AM   
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I wonder.. if one were to convert to say... Judaism, Islam, Scientology, Buddhism, Jainism, Zaroastrianism, or any other religion if one would be allowed the same fast track to freedom?

Now, is it just me... or should these religious idiots take a little closer look at their own religion and acknowledge that you cannot know someone else's heart... and that because of that faking conversion... faking faith is easy... and when it is a ticket to getting out of jail faster any convict with any brains or cunning will go right after it like a fish to water???

Another blow against religious vomit (not to be confused with actual religion or anything approaching common sense).

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» RE: I wonder...sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
FAITH BASED PRISON ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 28, 2006 8:16 AM   
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Funny how people who spend their days inventing ways to convert everyone to their beliefs, whether they like it or not don't give a damn if these same people have a roof and three squares, or a job. This is not and never was about God. It's cruel and misleading. Just another way to control people. It's possible to believe in God and not believe in your government. It works just fine for me. Thanks, ANNA

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Let's hope this decision stands!
Posted by: haddit on Aug 28, 2006 9:28 AM   
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Religions is not meant to be scary, but this ministry in the White House is making it so. Religion such as that being promoted by this administration is not religion, it is taking fear to another level, one level is to make God a crutch rather than a partner.

Three years ago, I was in an accident which shattered by knees and injured my lower back. I tried to keep working, but I was in computers, and there were no jobs left. I tried jobs for which I was totally unsuited. When the physical, emotional, neurological and mental disorders collided, I had to give up. After 40 years of working as many as 3 jobs, and taking care of myself, I found myself without income and living in a homeless shelter. This was a turning point in my life and opened my eyes to what's going on. I guess that's when I started getting really political.

The shelter was run by a Religious Right "faith-based" group. It was extremely structured, which I quickly learned it had to be since many in there were recovering addicts or recently-released felons. The one rule which was not up for debate or discussion was chapel. It was religious right and completely opposite of what I believed, but I needed time to find a place to live. It almost drove me into a breakdown. I have this thing about noise, and I almost needed valium to get through the 45-minute service!

But the most disturbing aspect was the "program." If you agreed to go into the "program" for 1 year, you stayed in separate quarters with others who were "programmed". You had free shelter, free meals and you studied the Bible their way, 24/7; you also assisted with chapel, at times taking your turn preaching. Those going into the program were coming out of troubled lives and couldn't make it in society. They were addicts and felons. This program allowed them to stay separate from society. Nothing about the world was real in there, and I was extremely uncomfortable having those radical beliefs literally shouted in my ear every waking moment. That is not spiritual, it is not healthy. We need only look to the Middle East to see the destruction caused when religious beliefs are mandatory.

I still hold that we are a nation of many beliefs. Spirituality is and must remain individual. To force-feed belief only turns one away from faith, not only in a higher power, but in oneself.

We must work to keep religion and politics TOTALLY SEPARATE. I would hate to think that someday I would be condemned because I believe in equal rights for all, including gays, women and the New Thought movement.

If Impeachment is what it takes to free us from religious slavery, then impeachment it should be! Yesterday!

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RAVENOUS WOLVES
Posted by: Ocean tides on Aug 28, 2006 10:41 AM   
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The FUNDIE version of Christianity is a sickening degradation of the ideals of what Jesus, Mohamed, and the Buddha stood for.

Somewhere in the bible is the phrase, "Wolves in sheep's clothing". That couldn't be more precise in describing those FUNDIES with their pretenses and perversions of Christianity at all costs to anyone in their way.

That's got to change, and that change begins with getting this administration trashed starting in the 2006 elections and culminating in 2008.

I want the FUNDIES to lose big time and when people begin to awaken to what they are really about, that process will become extremely obvious in 2008.

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Mel Gibson's got nothing on the bushies...
Posted by: babs on Aug 28, 2006 11:26 AM   
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Mel made a fortune shilling the torture and death of a god but he hasn't made out like the receivers of "faith based" money in America and around the world. Funny that they need your taxes but not your vote.

Maybe he should get together with dubya. They both like torture but Mel needs to lose the anti-Semitism in order to get with the Zionist/Republican/Christian/Former-American regime.

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who let the dogs out.....?
Posted by: peridot on Aug 28, 2006 11:35 AM   
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The effort on the part of religious nutters to capture the American government has a long and ugly history. It goes back to the begining of the republic and every generation of rational Americans has had to deal with it. Freethought had been an important part of the national dialog up until a time when for whatever reasons, it became publicly less acceptable. I suspect that the continual wars waged by the nation eroded the morality and legitimacy of an ever increasing imperialist ruling elite. Most western nations keep this rabid dog of religion muzzeled most of the time but there are interests that feel it useful. Most authortarian regimes that came to fruition in western nations had as their allies the indiginous nutters. Now the rabid dog of religion is on the loose in America. Whether or not the courts alone can get them back in their cages is a question all rational Americans must ask themselves.

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Parole
Posted by: twofistededitor on Aug 28, 2006 12:09 PM   
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I find it absurd that Christianity is being used as a measure of a prisoner's level of rehabilitation. Athiest prisoners can be ready for release at the same speed that Christian prisoners can. To hold that one faith makes a person a useful member of society at a different rate that other faiths or viewpoints is foolish.

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The Christian Church
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 28, 2006 1:17 PM   
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The Christian Church: Working snuff out any real charity, love, tolerance, doubt, questioning, free thought, and all general freedom since the time of Constantine.

When assembling the first version of the Bible Constantine had those who assisted him who disagreed killed. Things haven't changed all that much since.

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Christian Dominionists
Posted by: aussidawg on Aug 28, 2006 1:46 PM   
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"The courts took God out of America's schools, now they are on the path to take God out of America's prisons," Earley groused."

Interesting how the Christian Right is always crying about being persecuted by secular society and being denies their First Amendement right to freedom of religion. First, there are no restrictions to practicing Christianity, or for that matter, any religion in schools, prison, or anywhere. Christian groups may even set up bible study groups or clubs as an after school activity. The only restriction they face is that teachers nor other faculty members may not teach any religion as part of the academic curriculum. Second, the above article plainly states that the InnerChange program discriminates against non-Christians in both hiring practices, and elegibility for admission into the program. So who is violating who's freedom of religion here?

In my opinion, everything about Bush's "Faith Based Initiative" program is unconstitutional. The program allows discrimination in hiring practices in many government programs. Further, Faith Based Initiative programs are for Evanglical Christians only. The programs exclude science and replace evangelical Christianity in programs that influence life or death situations, such as AIDS reduction and birth control in other countries.

The InnerChange program, described in the above article, is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as the Christian Right's influence on government policy. The ultimate goal of these creeps is to establish a Theocracy in America, and rule with biblical law. Some of these "Christian" dominionists want to go so far as to make adultery, blasphemy, and homosexuality capital crimes. The Religious Right, thanks to a congressional majority, is packing the courts with sympathetic judges, thereby making an appeal of the above program likely to succeed. They are cutting taxes for the wealthy and shifting the budget shortfalls to cuts in education and welfare programs. By doing this, they are shifting these progarms to the churches. By doing so, even a greater portion of our population is being forced to endure proselytizing in exchange for food and shelter, or children being subject to this as part of their school curricula.

It is up to the voters to vote these people out of office in November. The American public may not think it possible for this minority of "Christians" to ever gain enough power to supercede consititutional law with biblical law, but they are doing it. Every one of our so called "vice" laws, and the drug war, are based on "Christian" interpretations of "morality." The Women's Christian Temperence Union gained enough power in the early part of the 20th century to pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting the use or sale of alcohol. Now, the Christian Right has proposed a constitutional amendment prohibiting marraige of homosexual couples, and have a lot of support for this amendment. They are infilterating government progarms and picking judges to back them in the event of constitutional challenge, they even have a sitting president currently. If you think the program in this article is an isolated problem, you are wrong. It's time we stop these fanatics in their tracks before the federal government add a new branch of law enforcement to their swelling ranks...the Morality Police.

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Misanthro-licious
Posted by: Rin Daemoko on Aug 28, 2006 2:56 PM   
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"The courts took God out of America's schools, now they are on the path to take God out of America's prisons," Earley groused.

To Mr. Earley:

First, please provide evidence to support your claim that God no longer exists within American schools; Secondly, please explain how the laws of humankind are able to prevent a supposedly omnipotent and omnipresent being from dwelling within physical constructs; And, thirdly, fuck you.

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» RE: Misanthro-licious Posted by: dangerouslysane
How about using prisoners as pharmaceutical test rabbits?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 28, 2006 5:15 PM   
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Isn't that another of Bush's prison plans? One hallmark of the Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush years is a massive growth in the domestic prison population from 1/2 million to 2 1/2 million (and no, the US total population has quintupled in that period). There is a certain racial inequality in the practice of imprisonment and execution as well; there is a certain persistent level of racism in the police force as well. What does it all mean?

Convert to Christian Fascism or be subjected to Pfizer and Novartis drug experiments - the choice is yours. America is #1 - in the proportion of it's population that is kept in prison. Land of the not-as-free as we used to be, isn't it? Prison corporations are making a lot of money off of this arrangement - and Schwarzenegger is pushing for more prisons in California. Undestandable when you consider his dad was an Austrian SS type, and that California's prison labor pool is even cheaper and safer to use than employing illegal immigrants.

Of course, you serve far less time for rape and battery than you do for psychoactive drug possession - that reflects the moral stance of our leaders, doesn't it? Possession of LSD - 3 yrs minimum - Rape - out in six months. It's the asset seizure issue as well - possession of drugs in your car, boat or home? Lose everything! Rape and assault in your car, boat or home? Welllll - the government will look out for everything until you get out. We can't have young rich white men serving long prison sentences that their lawyers can't get them out of, now can we?

The division between white-collar crime and blue-collar crime doesn't apply to rape; you can't inordinately punish the poor criminals over the rich criminals - so it's a crime that's treated with leniency by the system. Then the rapists get to hang out in jails and rape the most vulnerable of the incoming prisoners until they're released, since they aren't segregated from the rest of the population.

Disgusting, isn't it?

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Jesus Brown Shirts
Posted by: sulphurdunn on Aug 28, 2006 5:33 PM   
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It is not comforting to think that prisons might be turning out ex-cons willing to go forth and crack heads for Jesus at tax- payer expense.

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There is a Reason
Posted by: BAKslider on Aug 28, 2006 6:14 PM   
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There is a reason that the Christian Right prostelizes like they do. They must. Nobody in their right mind would be naturally drawn to such a mean spirited and backward theology. It is something that must be force fed.

The devout despise the revelations of science because it is at odds with their "Good Book," but few of the faithful rely on faith healing when they get sick. When it comes down to life and death - they feed at the trough of science. They know in their heart of hearts and soul of souls that Fundamentalism is utter nonsense. Otherwise upon being diagnosed with a serious malady, they would just take two asprin and pray in the morning.

This cognitive disconnect is a driving force in their efforts to bring others to their way of thinking. There is some comfort in sharing a delusion with family , friends and neighbors. After all, "that's what everybody thinks."

I recommend the faithless following of Jesus. Pay attention Dobson, Jesus gave you marching orders and you aren't obeying.

Greg Forest

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An 'Eye for an eye'
Posted by: pato on Aug 28, 2006 6:19 PM   
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One could argue that a perfectly placed bullet through the brain would end recidivism, too. And who's to say that would not be considered based on the current "reasoning". Thank You, Americans United.

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Ew, yuck!
Posted by: mombot on Aug 28, 2006 8:36 PM   
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Just as I think I can't be surprised by Evangelical Christians, well, gee. There's a pretty big difference between learning about Christianity and being indoctrinated. If someone found faith of any sort while being rehab'd in the honest sense, okay, fine. Not this brain washing crap.

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This Story Helps Me To Remember Someone
Posted by: Tink50 on Aug 29, 2006 11:02 AM   
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About 8 months ago I met someone. The subject of religion and politics came up. This person agreed with the things that GW was doing. Such as the tortures in Guatanamo Bay, and the right to privacy taken away. He always claimed, he was a Born Again Christian. I used the tortures and the fact that he was religious, a defense against his beliefs. This person, when he was losing the arguement because he knew I right, told me: He believes in the Christian Faith but does not practice it. I walked away and never looked back.
Tink 50

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Let's be fair here..
Posted by: imacommontater2 on Sep 2, 2006 7:07 PM   
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I thought "progressive" meant telling the truth. Both sides of a story, that is. Too bad not too much digging went on for the other side of this story. First of all, let me say I'm not a Bush supporter, nor do I condone his religious-based charities done under the .government umbrella, but I do know some of the intention behind this prison program. It has to do with Operation Starting Line, a prison program developed to help stop recidivism, which is very high and has alot to do with the support a prisoner receives or doesn't receive when released back into society. The program provides prisoners - who have voluntarily come to faith - with mentors and help from their community after release. What's wrong with that?

The most important part of the article is the omission of a very important point about this program. It was established because prisoners wrote to ministries about the lack of Christian reading materials in prison. It was discovered that Christian literature was hard to get and retain by the prisoner. However, literature from other religions are freely dispersed among prisoners, especially if they want to become Muslims. My own feelings about this is whether one converts to Christianity or Islam, it's better to come out of prison without a heart filled with hate. There's alot of friction created in our prisons because of this disparity in religious literature availability. It's just something to think about.

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