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Will Future Doctors Be Forced to Teach Abstinence?
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Why the outrage? Despite what its legitimate-sounding name might suggest, MISH is really nothing more than a thinly veiled ideological interest group that manipulates science to advance its mission.
The History of MISH
Dr. Joe McIlhaney, an evangelical ob/gyn, founded MISH in Texas in 1992. According to the organization's website, after "witnessing first-hand the full effects of the sexual revolution," McIlhaney was "moved to dedicate the next chapter of his life to the prevention of these problems rather than continuing to only treat the effects." With initial funding from James Leininger, a prominent San Antonio business executive who has been called the "sugar daddy" of the far-right in Texas, MISH was born.
MISH is best known for the abstinence-only materials it provides to youth organizations and educators that rely largely on scare tactics. The group states that "behavior choices for optimum health are sexual abstinence for unmarried individuals and faithfulness within marriage." Translation: abstinence is the only acceptable method for unmarried couples to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections (STIs).
MISH has come a long way since its founding in 1992. Today the group has offices in Austin, El Paso, and Washington, DC. It has also expanded internationally, distributing materials in more than 40 countries.
Despite its national record promoting abstinence-only programs, MISH has tried to distance itself from the phrase "abstinence-only," presumably because it connotes ideology, ineffectiveness, and medical inaccuracy for many in the scientific community. Representatives of MISH have argued that the group is not a religious or biased one, but rather a "medical educational organization." The group's many critics disagree.
In 1995, the Texas Department of Health sent a letter to MISH criticizing a slide show that McIlhaney had been showing throughout the state. The letter included a detailed critique of the slides by two doctors, a registered nurse, and the director of the state's HIV/STI epidemiology division. "Some of the data presented suffers from investigator bias," the letter stated. "Dr. McIlhaney's presentation tended to report the outlier data [data that is markedly different from other values in a data set] as 'proof' that condoms don't work rather than present those reports in the context of the entire data set. The only data that was reported in the presentation are those which supported his bias on the topics he addressed. Intellectual honesty demands that he present all the data."
Friends in High Places
Despite the widespread criticism, MISH has grown to become a well-connected organization. The group has had close ties with President George W. Bush since his early days as governor of Texas. Bush has spoken at numerous events sponsored by MISH, and in 1999, MISH worked with then-Governor Bush's administration to produce the Right Choices for Youth abstinence conference. Bush and McIlhaney have been close politically and personally for many years, and many speculate that their close relationship is largely responsible for Bush's promotion of abstinence-only programs as president.
In December 2001, President Bush appointed McIlhaney to the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS (PACHA). The Union of Concerned Scientists criticized the appointment in a 2004 report, characterizing it as "another high-profile appointment of a scientist with questionable credentials." Specifically, the group referred to McIlhaney's "published disdain for the use of condoms to prevent the spread of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases and his continued advocacy of abstinence-only programs despite negligible evidence that they actually reduce pregnancy rates among young people."
McIlhaney's elevation in government ranks continued: in February 2003, he was appointed to the Advisory Committee to the director of the CDC, where he "advises the CDC Director on policy issues and broad strategies for promoting health and quality of life." And according to the MISH website, McIlhaney "meets regularly in Washington with Ambassador Randall Tobias, President Bush's appointee who heads the $15 billion Global AIDS Initiative, to discuss the medical issues surrounding AIDS policy nationally and internationally."
MISH's political power is not limited to McIlhaney. The group's National Advisory Board is comprised of a who's who of the abstinence-only crowd. Board members include Elayne Bennett, president and founder of the Best Friends Foundation, an abstinence-only group; Thomas Lickona, director of the abstinence-promoting Center for the Fourth and Fifth Rs; and Dr. Patricia Sulak, director of the Worth the Wait abstinence program.
Another prominent member of MISH's National Advisory Board is Dr. W. David Hager, author of As Jesus Cared for Women and Stress and Women's Body, which "recommends particular scripture readings as a treatment for premenstrual syndrome." Bush appointed Hager to the Advisory Committee for Reproductive Health Drugs in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 2002, a position that allowed Hager to play a significant role in the FDA's continued delay in the decision to grant over-the-counter status for Plan B emergency contraception (EC).
MISH's relationship with the Bush administration has also paid off financially. The group has received more than $1.5 million in federal funding and has government contracts with the CDC, the Maternal Child Health Bureau, and the Texas Department of Health. In addition, high-profile members of the Bush administration regularly attend and present at MISH's annual conferences.
MISH also has close allies in Congress. In 2000, the group worked with Rep. Tom Coburn (R-OK) to convince the National Institute of Health (NIH) to hold a conference to examine the scientific research on condom effectiveness. The NIH invited MISH to participate in the conference.
The resulting NIH report confirmed that condoms were effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, but concluded that there wasn't enough evidence regarding the effectiveness of condoms in preventing the infection HPV. MISH latched on to the latter finding, and like many other abstinence-only organizations, used the dangers of HPV to advance its anti-condom agenda. A recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that consistent condom usage significantly reduces the risk of HPV transmission, providing the evidence the NIH had been looking for.
As for the announcement about MISH's new $200,000 grant - according to a profile in Slate, the CDC hadn't posted any requests for proposals in determining the recipient of the grant, and there had been no competitive bidding process. Dr. Hager has been appointed to lead the project and has already selected a panel to write the sex education curriculum. It remains to be seen what the curriculum will entail, but all logic points to the probability that it will teach a dangerous abstinence-only message to a generation of future doctors.
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The question seems to be whether future doctors will teach abstinece ONLY. I suspect that they will not because their oath requires them to alleviate suffering. Most doctors know that unwanted pregnancies cause suffering.
A question that might shed some light on this subject (by giving some insight into the thinking of doctors who might currently be constrained by their religious views) might be: What percentage of devout Catholic physicians recommend or prescribe methods of birth control other than abstinence or the rhythm method for their patients? The Church clearly endorses only abstinece and the rhythm method. I suspect that a vast majority of devout Catholic physicians will suggest or prescribe other methods.
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I sincerely hope you are practicing what you preach and abstaining from sex whether you are married or single, or that you have had vasectomies or tubal ligations so you don't procreate and raise a bunch of brats who have minds as screwed up as yours....
We don't need any more brainwashed psychopaths like you in the world who screw up the younger generations with mixed messages about sexuality and morality. Sex happens, with or without education about birth control, or how to prevent STDs or HIV-AIDS, or what to do in an emergency situation when rape has occurred (which includes education about abortion and the morning-after pill in those kinds of dire situations). With people like you out of the gene pool, we just might stand a chance to have a future free of mentally defective people like you or your offspring.
Deal with the topic of sex realistically!!!
Besides the need for food, shelter, and clothing, the fourth human drive is to procreate our own and that means having sex.
To all who give out misinformation or advocate abstinence only, I sincerely hope you are so impotent that even Viagra doesn't work on the men and the women keep their legs crossed. Just because you are mentally messed up about the topic of sex doesn't mean you have to pass on your mental hang-ups about sex to the younger generations.
Now, shut the hell up and let the rest of the world's mature people with common sense educate the young 'uns about birth control and condoms and how to make mature decisions about when and where to enjoy their sexuality at the appropriate time when they feel grown-up enough to handle a mature relationship with a properly-educated mind fully functioning and not brainwashed with mixed messages (and lets give the teens and young adults lots of condoms to help prevent STDs & HIV-AIDS, and complete knowledge about birth control pills and abortion and morning-after pills, etc.).
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What about his buddies who promulgate abstinence? How many children do they have?
Maybe condoms are okay to use after marriage?
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"Another prominent member of MISH's National Advisory Board is Dr. W. David Hager, author of As Jesus Cared for Women and Stress and Women's Body, which "recommends particular scripture readings as a treatment for premenstrual syndrome."
Give me a break! You have *got* to be kidding me. Are these folks for real? Yes they are and they are *scary*. What kind of world is my daughter growing up in? We did not have this kind of nonsense when I was growing up. I got to take my family planning class, thank you very much. What garbage. Adolescents need to be able to make informed choices. This is a total violation of one's right to make an informed choice. Horrendous! And they are getting federal funding?
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Oh my, I wish I had seen this before I began my writing on Sex Education and Abstinence. I will add a link to this passage, for it is an eloquent and important revelation.
I wrote my missive yesterday after reading an article in the New York Times, "Muzzling Sex Education on Anything but Abstinence," by Samuel G. Freedman.
According to the journalist, a Bill, the Healthy Teens Act, was built on compromise. It was doing well and by all accounts was expected to pass. Then it happened, the power of the Bush Administration and his Abstaining Religious Right entered the fray. The measure never made it to the floor.
In my treatise, I offer my own sex education and what I believe are the benefits of it. I compare this with statistics and the reflections of others. I ask America, what do they think is best?
I invite you and your readers to read my expose, to review the assessment, and share your stories. I welcome all comers and their comments.
• Sex Education; Abstinence or Advancing Knowledge? ©
May you live long, learn much, and feel fulfilled . . . Betsy
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I tried to submit this to a "Christian" group, and this is the reply from the moderator, message not approved:
"Sounds like a press release from an anti-Christian group -- like
Planned Parenthood. MISH is headed by an Ob/Gyn -- which the writer
attempts to dismiss by labelling him 'evangelical' -- which is beside
the point." [sic]
What do you all think? You all know you are my alternative thinktank right?
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Drs. To Be Taught Smoking Causes Cancer
Drs To Be Taught Holdin Breath Kills
Drs To Be Taught You Cant Catch Cold From The Cold
Isn't it a bit silly to get worked up over this?
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GOD help us all....they are so worried about what we do in our bedrooms because they are ashamed of what they do in their own.
These people are TRUE NUTJOBS!!!!!!!!
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How can your promote "abstinence ONLY until marriage" and then (as a political party) promote an agenda that denies gay marriage to gay men and women? Do they not see the irony? Given the historical implications of HIV/AIDS, this seems (scientifically) like genocide against gay and lesbians. Wake up people. How many years before Reagan even publically muttered the existence of the epidemic? How many gay men died by 1987? What proportion of gay men vote democratic?
You do the math...when history is written....
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"Convictions are greater enemies of truth than lies"
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First is the anti-sex half of the agenda. Here the point is to legislatively prohibit methods of making sex safer and/or less risky so that "sinful" activity is deterred by having no legal recourse against disease or unwanted pregnancy. Scaremongering about STD's is also part of this; the more afraid people are to have sex, the less sex they'll have, or so the reasoning goes. Overtly it's only sex until marriage, but at the root of the anti-sex strain is the drive to impose total celibacy.
Second is the white baby breeding agenda. Here there is an embedded racist assumption that non-whites are promiscuous and "outbreeding" whites. In order to "compete" and keep the US majority white, they believe it's necessary to stop preventing white babies from being born with birth control. Unfortunately for those who think it would be nice if the fundies practiced abstinence and so died out, the anti- birth control and anti-abortion stance and maybe the explicit emphasis on bearing numerous children is successfully promoting higher birth rates for the religious right. Unfortunately I don't remember ballpark figures.
The second part is rather more terrifying than the first. What if there is a hereditary component to John Dean's right-wing authoritarianism? If so we'll eventually be overrun by them thanks to the fundies' "breeding program." How much of a shift in the left/right split is caused by more new births being reared by right-wing ideologues? How is it possible to respond to this at all?
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As for why Laura Bush only got pregnant once, I think that has pretty much been settled by discussing Mr. Bush's lack of sex drive. Here in Mexico, there has only been one recent president who hasn't had "concubinas" and it was thought that he was gay. Actually he got turned on by power, not sex. I suspect a similar situation applies to Mr. Bush. But then again, it may be because of his feelings of inadequacy that are so evident in the rest of his behavior.
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The question seems to be whether future doctors will teach abstinece ONLY. I suspect that they will not because their oath requires them to alleviate suffering. Most doctors know that unwanted pregnancies cause suffering.
A question that might shed some light on this subject (by giving some insight into the thinking of doctors who might currently be constrained by their religious views) might be: What percentage of devout Catholic physicians recommend or prescribe methods of birth control other than abstinence or the rhythm method for their patients? The Church clearly endorses only abstinece and the rhythm method. I suspect that a vast majority of devout Catholic physicians will suggest or prescribe other methods.
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I sincerely hope you are practicing what you preach and abstaining from sex whether you are married or single, or that you have had vasectomies or tubal ligations so you don't procreate and raise a bunch of brats who have minds as screwed up as yours....
We don't need any more brainwashed psychopaths like you in the world who screw up the younger generations with mixed messages about sexuality and morality. Sex happens, with or without education about birth control, or how to prevent STDs or HIV-AIDS, or what to do in an emergency situation when rape has occurred (which includes education about abortion and the morning-after pill in those kinds of dire situations). With people like you out of the gene pool, we just might stand a chance to have a future free of mentally defective people like you or your offspring.
Deal with the topic of sex realistically!!!
Besides the need for food, shelter, and clothing, the fourth human drive is to procreate our own and that means having sex.
To all who give out misinformation or advocate abstinence only, I sincerely hope you are so impotent that even Viagra doesn't work on the men and the women keep their legs crossed. Just because you are mentally messed up about the topic of sex doesn't mean you have to pass on your mental hang-ups about sex to the younger generations.
Now, shut the hell up and let the rest of the world's mature people with common sense educate the young 'uns about birth control and condoms and how to make mature decisions about when and where to enjoy their sexuality at the appropriate time when they feel grown-up enough to handle a mature relationship with a properly-educated mind fully functioning and not brainwashed with mixed messages (and lets give the teens and young adults lots of condoms to help prevent STDs & HIV-AIDS, and complete knowledge about birth control pills and abortion and morning-after pills, etc.).
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What about his buddies who promulgate abstinence? How many children do they have?
Maybe condoms are okay to use after marriage?
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"Another prominent member of MISH's National Advisory Board is Dr. W. David Hager, author of As Jesus Cared for Women and Stress and Women's Body, which "recommends particular scripture readings as a treatment for premenstrual syndrome."
Give me a break! You have *got* to be kidding me. Are these folks for real? Yes they are and they are *scary*. What kind of world is my daughter growing up in? We did not have this kind of nonsense when I was growing up. I got to take my family planning class, thank you very much. What garbage. Adolescents need to be able to make informed choices. This is a total violation of one's right to make an informed choice. Horrendous! And they are getting federal funding?
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jul 21, 2006 12:14 PM
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Oh my, I wish I had seen this before I began my writing on Sex Education and Abstinence. I will add a link to this passage, for it is an eloquent and important revelation.
I wrote my missive yesterday after reading an article in the New York Times, "Muzzling Sex Education on Anything but Abstinence," by Samuel G. Freedman.
According to the journalist, a Bill, the Healthy Teens Act, was built on compromise. It was doing well and by all accounts was expected to pass. Then it happened, the power of the Bush Administration and his Abstaining Religious Right entered the fray. The measure never made it to the floor.
In my treatise, I offer my own sex education and what I believe are the benefits of it. I compare this with statistics and the reflections of others. I ask America, what do they think is best?
I invite you and your readers to read my expose, to review the assessment, and share your stories. I welcome all comers and their comments.
• Sex Education; Abstinence or Advancing Knowledge? ©
May you live long, learn much, and feel fulfilled . . . Betsy
Betsy L. Angert Be-Think
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Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 21, 2006 1:04 PM
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I tried to submit this to a "Christian" group, and this is the reply from the moderator, message not approved:
"Sounds like a press release from an anti-Christian group -- like
Planned Parenthood. MISH is headed by an Ob/Gyn -- which the writer
attempts to dismiss by labelling him 'evangelical' -- which is beside
the point." [sic]
What do you all think? You all know you are my alternative thinktank right?
eastcoker
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Drs. To Be Taught Smoking Causes Cancer
Drs To Be Taught Holdin Breath Kills
Drs To Be Taught You Cant Catch Cold From The Cold
Isn't it a bit silly to get worked up over this?
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» Heehaw!
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Posted by: notrab68 on Jul 21, 2006 1:39 PM
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» So you're happy that some kids never find out?
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Posted by: charemor on Jul 21, 2006 1:57 PM
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» Good question!
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Posted by: cyncynical on Jul 21, 2006 2:29 PM
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GOD help us all....they are so worried about what we do in our bedrooms because they are ashamed of what they do in their own.
These people are TRUE NUTJOBS!!!!!!!!
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» He is insane.
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jul 21, 2006 4:53 PM
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jul 21, 2006 4:59 PM
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Posted by: kwhbbd on Jul 21, 2006 5:12 PM
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How can your promote "abstinence ONLY until marriage" and then (as a political party) promote an agenda that denies gay marriage to gay men and women? Do they not see the irony? Given the historical implications of HIV/AIDS, this seems (scientifically) like genocide against gay and lesbians. Wake up people. How many years before Reagan even publically muttered the existence of the epidemic? How many gay men died by 1987? What proportion of gay men vote democratic?
You do the math...when history is written....
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Posted by: apost8 on Jul 21, 2006 7:50 PM
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"Convictions are greater enemies of truth than lies"
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Posted by: wli on Jul 21, 2006 10:00 PM
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First is the anti-sex half of the agenda. Here the point is to legislatively prohibit methods of making sex safer and/or less risky so that "sinful" activity is deterred by having no legal recourse against disease or unwanted pregnancy. Scaremongering about STD's is also part of this; the more afraid people are to have sex, the less sex they'll have, or so the reasoning goes. Overtly it's only sex until marriage, but at the root of the anti-sex strain is the drive to impose total celibacy.
Second is the white baby breeding agenda. Here there is an embedded racist assumption that non-whites are promiscuous and "outbreeding" whites. In order to "compete" and keep the US majority white, they believe it's necessary to stop preventing white babies from being born with birth control. Unfortunately for those who think it would be nice if the fundies practiced abstinence and so died out, the anti- birth control and anti-abortion stance and maybe the explicit emphasis on bearing numerous children is successfully promoting higher birth rates for the religious right. Unfortunately I don't remember ballpark figures.
The second part is rather more terrifying than the first. What if there is a hereditary component to John Dean's right-wing authoritarianism? If so we'll eventually be overrun by them thanks to the fundies' "breeding program." How much of a shift in the left/right split is caused by more new births being reared by right-wing ideologues? How is it possible to respond to this at all?
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Posted by: bumpy on Jul 24, 2006 9:42 AM
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Posted by: dkm on Aug 6, 2006 12:27 AM
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As for why Laura Bush only got pregnant once, I think that has pretty much been settled by discussing Mr. Bush's lack of sex drive. Here in Mexico, there has only been one recent president who hasn't had "concubinas" and it was thought that he was gay. Actually he got turned on by power, not sex. I suspect a similar situation applies to Mr. Bush. But then again, it may be because of his feelings of inadequacy that are so evident in the rest of his behavior.
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