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Exposing Anti-Choice Abortion Clinics
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When she showed up for her nonexistent appointment, she was met by the police, who had been erroneously tipped that a minor was being forced to abort. The crisis pregnancy center staff followed up this harassment by staking out the girl's house, phoning her father at work, and even talking to her classmates about her pregnancy, urging them to harass her.
I contacted Jennifer Jorczak of Planned Parenthood of Indiana to verify this story, and while she was unable to provide details out of respect for the patient's privacy, she confirmed that everything in the initial action alert email was true.
This humiliating and frustrating experience seems, by all accounts, to await more American women in the near future. And the best part? It's funded by your tax dollars.
Even here in the liberal city of Austin, Texas, the signs are everywhere: "Pregnant? Need help?"
If you're facing an unwanted pregnancy, one of the possible solutions would be getting un-pregnant -- still a legal, if sometimes difficult-to-find, option in America. But the "crisis pregnancy centers" these signs advertise seek to limit and, in some cases, prevent women from exploring their legal options for health care.
Dishonest as these types of crisis pregnancy centers are, it's hard to argue against their right to exist, especially since most of their clients enter their doors willingly. However, the aforementioned incident reported by Planned Parenthood of Indiana indicates that some groups are not above using more aggressive methods to stop women from aborting pregnancies.
These tactics are even more troubling in light of the growing legislative support to direct taxpayer money towards crisis pregnancy centers and away from places that provide actual reproductive services to low-income women. Texas, as usual, stands at the forefront of conservative innovation in the art of draining public funding while reducing services. In the latest round of cuts, $25 million was sliced from the state budget for family planning services and $5 million of that money was set aside in a rider from Republican Sen. Tommy Williams to fund crisis pregnancy centers.
Peggy Romberg of the Women's Health and Family Planning Association of Texas estimates that 17,000 low-income women will lose access to affordable family planning as a result of the cuts, adding to the 75 percent of low-income Texas women who are eligible for state-funded family planning services but who lack actual access. And that's just in Texas. According to Planned Parenthood crisis pregnancy centers across the nation "have received $60 million of government grants."
Only two organizations applied for the $5 million in available funding for Texas's crisis pregnancy centers, and the one that received it, the Texas Pregnancy Care Network, appears to have been formed just to acquire this money. The TPCN is associated with a group called Real Alternatives, an anti-choice organization that has put so little effort into their "educational" materials that the site goes so far as to have sections called "Telling Your Boyfriend" and "Telling Your Parents," seemingly ignorant of the fact that most abortions are performed on adult women, many of whom are married.
Anti-choice activists openly regard family planning clinics like Planned Parenthood as primarily feminist organizations that just so happen to provide health care. Sarah Wheat of NARAL Pro-Choice Texas, who spent a considerable amount of time researching crisis pregnancy centers and has compiled a full report on them, explained that the first crisis pregnancy center was opened in 1967 by Robert Pearson as "the service arm of the anti-choice movement." Crisis pregnancy centers have a long history of providing the absolute minimum of services required to maintain the illusion that they provide care while they further their actual goal of trying to persuade women out of abortion -- sometimes using deceptive methods.
Peggy Romberg recollected that when she worked for Planned Parenthood in the '80s, crisis pregnancy centers would actually provide shelter to pregnant women right up until the eligible date for legal abortion had passed. They would then turn the women out, and it was Romberg's agency that was tasked with explaining to these desperate women that it was too late.
These hardline tactics were softened after a number of states began cracking down. Texas's own attorney general sued to prevent crisis pregnancy centers from advertising themselves as abortion providers in 1985. As a result the centers evolved to put on a better show of caring about women's health by advertising themselves as places to obtain full medical information.
But the kinder, gentler crisis pregnancy centers might be even more problematic than those engaging in more open harassment, as in the Indiana incident. The gentler face of the centers makes their health care pretenses slightly more plausible, even if their function is primarily political. Sarah Wheat said she and her staff regularly make phone calls to crisis pregnancy centers to learn more about the services offered there and, as a general rule, these pseudo-clinics have few or no paid employees, no medical personnel on staff and no real facilities to provide any medical care. Generally speaking, the medical treatment provided by the largely volunteer staff is nothing more than handing clients a pregnancy test that could be purchased over the counter for $10.
A friend warned me to be careful when contacting crisis pregnancy centers, as they are known to give callers the runaround, refusing to give information over the phone and asking you to come in for an appointment. Curious, I called Austin Life Care, a prominent local crisis pregnancy center and grilled the unlucky receptionist about the services offered. She said they offered pregnancy tests and counseling. When I asked about the credentials of the counselors, she replied, "Well, we have all different levels of education and some of them are really academic."
I followed up by asking what kind of medical staff they had on hand and she replied, "Well, we have sonographers."
When I asked her what a sonographer was, she was curt: "It's someone who can do your sonogram."
Actually performing a sonogram on a client probably adds to the illusion that crisis pregnancy centers are providing care. In fact, this allure explains why there's a bill pending in Congress to grant crisis pregnancy centers ultrasound machines, despite the fact that having a sonogram performed by an unsupervised technician could be dangerous. Dr. Diana Kroi, the ob-gyn who authored "Take Control of Your Period," explained that ultrasounds need a trained physician to look for problems like ectopic pregnancies and other dangerous indications that a woman's health is imperiled.
If a woman who's had an ultrasound mistakenly thinks she's had actual prenatal care, she may not go elsewhere for real care. Anti-choicers are banking on the ultrasound's appeal as a pre-born snapshot machine, though it's an actual diagnostic tool, or as the Mayo Clinic puts it, "[Ultrasound] isn't meant primarily to provide parental thrills or souvenir snapshots," and it's irresponsible to treat it as if it were. This is especially irresponsible in a setting where clients are being told that Planned Parenthood and other affordable clinics are nothing but abortion mills who want to hurt the woman and the expected baby.
So it's possible that these centers are not only detrimental to those women seeking abortions, they could be inadvertently stopping women from obtaining proper prenatal care. And from what I could gather on the website, most of the "counseling" available is for the only syndrome that crisis pregnancy centers show any interest in treating; one they call "post-abortion stress syndrome." The problem with this syndrome is anti-choice activists made it up. Unlike, say, post-natal depression, neither the American Psychiatric Association nor the American Psychological Association recognizes "post-abortion stress syndrome." So add proper mental health services to the list of services not rendered.
Because they have so little overhead, crisis pregnancy centers are proliferating while clinics offering actual medical care lag behind. NARAL Pro-Choice Texas noted that as of December 2005 that there were only 43 abortion providers in Texas compared to 183 crisis pregnancy centers -- which is unsurprising considering the cost of real medical care versus a stick to pee on and a video to watch. There's no indication as of yet that the $5 million grant to Texas Pregnancy Care Network will result in anything resembling professional medical care offered to the low-income women who need it, most of whom are punted by crisis pregnancy centers onto Medicaid, escalating the cost to the American taxpayer.
The truth is that Texas taxpayers are being asked to pony up $5 million to an organization that provides no services apart from furthering an outsider political agenda. Even the much ballyhooed "education" about alternatives to abortion isn't worth a dime of taxpayer money, even from those who would prefer fewer women to have abortions. After all, Planned Parenthood was already in the business of educating women about their options and the education offered is far more complete.
Peggy Romberg ended with a story about a young woman she'd worked with a few years back who'd been fortunate enough to get help from a college friend whose parents were friends of hers. The young woman had recently broken up with her boyfriend only to discover she was pregnant. When she contacted him for help, he instructed her to meet him at a nearby crisis pregnancy center. The ex-boyfriend had gone to a football game instead, forcing the young woman to endure the berating of the staff alone. She then went back to her dorm and despaired, running into another friend who was able to help her obtain the abortion. Without that stroke of luck, Romberg noted, there's no telling what a young woman who so far had met with nothing but abandonment, lies and berating would have done to escape her situation.
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 1, 2006 12:33 AM
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Maybe you could bring in a policy of retrospective abortions for the arseholes who carry on in this way. Bastards.
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P.S.: If Alternet wouldn't mind, they should preemptively investigate the ND Legislature before we suffer the same fate as our southern neighbors on the abortion ban.
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 1, 2006 5:45 AM
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Why of course we never will have that sort of America, because these articles are calculated to divide instead of unite.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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Posted by: Jim on May 1, 2006 5:47 AM
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Post Abortion Healing Help, and Post Abortion Stress Syndrome Support.
"This website provides a neutral, non-political, non-religion based, non-judgmental place for women to communicate with each other after an abortion."
Maybe the name hasn't been accepted by the APA, but do not deny the experience of many women.
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Posted by: Jim on May 1, 2006 5:57 AM
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They did not have the resources to provide lots of services other than a free pregnancy test and caring listeners, but sacrificed to support those who chose to have their babies with lots of baby supplies and financially when they could.
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The shading and editing of facts, fear-mongering, dealing in innuendo and playing on people's emotions is not in anyone's best interest, certainly not the women seeking options and professional care. Neither Abortion Clinics or 'Crisis Pregnancy Centers' counsel their customers with the full spectrum of options or the costs/benefit of such options. They are both so totally entrenched in the advocacy and advancement of their cause that the needs of pregnant women takes second place.
If Hospitals and Medical Clinics conducted procedural medicine with the same lack of fully informed consent that is practiced at many abortion clinics, they would be sued out of existence. If Psychologists provided counsel to patients with the selective 'facts' and options offered by many 'Crisis Pregnancy Centers', they would be subject professional censure or loss of their license.
Although there are certainly people on both sides that do not practice to these extremes, they are not normative. In the end, the women in need of professional medical counsel and care are not being well served. That is a tragedy.
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Posted by: Againstthewindwalking on May 1, 2006 9:47 AM
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What happened to the good old days when we would get up and let people know that we have options! What happened to the rigeous rage that drove "Tricky Dick" from the White House? Have we all been scared by the reganites? Have been cowed by jerks like Rush Limbaugh that say the word "liberal" like it's a dirty word? It's time to shit or get off the pot, people! This administration is a liberal's dream come true! All we have to do is come up with a clear, and concise plan of action for America! We can do it! We've got everything we need to make America great again! All we've got to do is get off our asses and do it!
Turn that fucking TV off and get out in the streets! Let our leaders know we're out here and we're pissed as hell and we're not going to take it!
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Posted by: davidt on May 1, 2006 9:52 AM
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Hey, in case you knotheads missed it. ABORTION IS LEGAL IN THE USA. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL THAT IS YOUR RIGHT TO TRY TO DO. BUT. ALL THREE BRANCHES OF THE US GOV'T ARE CONTROLLED BY YOUR GOP AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN POWER FOR A WHILE NOW. AND ABORTION IS STLL LEGAL. THAT WOULD TEND TO INFORM ME, AND YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT IT LEGAL. WE STILL HAVE A DEMOCRACY THE BIBLE NOTWITHSTANDING.
However there is a place that is right now the world's leader in abortions. They need help with their democracy since an interventionist country that is very fond of instituting a "Bayonnet Democracy" in countries that have something that the US Gov't covets is doing its thing, again.
During the Good Old Days of the Cold War we used the ploy of Incipient Communist Takeover to intervene in these countries but hey, Reagan won the Cold War-nice guy!-so now we get out the bayonnets and puncture some recalcitrant asses.
Demcracy has taken hold in this country BUT the abortions are still reigning SUPREME on BOTH sides.
Where is this clinic that needs your biblical assistance? Why it is now called the Democratic Republic of Iraq. So do god's work and get on a plane and help eradicate ALL abortions.
You do that I will work on another pressing biblical assault--the NFL. It seems the Bible forbids the handling of an unclean pig on the sabbath. Sorry Colt & Cowboy fans but you've got some important decisions to make.
Bless you in all you do. Aaaaaaaaaaaamennnnnn, and women also, of course.
David T. Gray
Claremont, NH
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Posted by: Maude on May 1, 2006 11:39 AM
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Another woman and I went to pregnacy help places and interviewed the woman who ran them. It was tricky. We could ask certain questions and determine if they used pressure tactics on the women to continue their pregnacies.
The actual agenda was hidden.
The only thing that would come out of making abortion illegal is that more women would die.
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Posted by: Longdream on May 1, 2006 8:41 PM
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Ten points for a direct hit, fifty if the target hits the pavement.
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An excerpt from the article:
One pamphlet called "A Real Woman" made explicit the biblically based ideology these centers want to impose: "A Real Woman: appreciates God's design of men and women, behaves like a lady, believes in God, understands chastity, is modest, pure and chaste, loves babies, finds strength in her husband, is happy and content."
Other pamphlets spread fear: one called "Women Hurt" warned of "Post-Abortion Syndrome"--an entirely invented condition which, after exhaustive studies, is not recognized by any legitimate psychological or medical organization (although they will likely face increased pressure to recognize this "syndrome"). Similar pamphlets spread more lies: that women who have abortions risk everything from drug abuse, eating disorders, major depression, to "symptoms similar to post-traumatic stress disorder." One pamphlet, in a gross and insulting instance of turning reality on its head, likened having an abortion to being raped.1
Read more:
How They Deceive Women
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Posted by: elizacoop on May 8, 2006 8:53 AM
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I must disagree with anyone who believes they limit the discussion to abortion, or try to convince women to abort. The counselor helped us cut through our overwhelm and confusion. We discussed abortion, adoption and parenthood.
Result: Our fabulous son will graduate with highest honors from HS next month.
There is real counseling available in abortion clinics, but most women who go there already have their minds made up, which seems to escape those who think the so-called "abortion industry" is some kind of high-profit enterprise. In our experience there was no coercion toward abortion.
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Posted by: juner on May 27, 2006 6:28 AM
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Right to Know
I'm not sure whether there's a federal equivalent, but I'm fairly certain that most if not all states require that such information be distributed.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers, on the other hand, have no such laws to answer to - at least not in Kansas.
Last year, our legislature passed a bill creating grants for these centers. (Previously, our governor had line-item vetoed the budget item, so they created a stand-alone bill named after a respected legislator who had passed away.)
In the midst of all the Kansas hullabaloo about mandatory reporters and child predators (does the name Phill Kline ring a bell?), we found it interesting that no one was talking about the underage women seeking services at CPC's. So we had a Senator offer an amendment to require any CPC receiving state funds to have a mandatory reporter present during the center's operating hours.
Oh! All of the sudden, the conservatives in the Senate were preaching the importance of privacy and the need for young women in difficult situations to access services without having to worry about the police getting involved. The previous week, they passed a bill that required all abortion providers to submit fetal tissue samples to the KBI, without the patients' knowledge or consent, whenever an abortion was performed on someone under 14. But when we're talking about someone who wants to have a baby (or doesn't know what they're getting themselves into by visiting a CPC), mandatory reporting is an invasion of privacy!
Pretty incredible.
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http://www.maggotpunks.com/2004/2004-06-09.htm
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Posted by: Joachim on Jan 24, 2007 12:58 AM
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look around - it's there
abortion simply victimizes her again
this merciless industry leaves behind one dead and one wounded
sometimes it leaves two dead
it is the ultimate child abuse
it is the ultimate violent act against innocence
it is driven by greed and fed by lies and despair
There is a better solution
Life and love
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In the U.S. : 4 million low-income children under age of 12 experience hunger each year...an additional 9.6 million children are at risk of hunger?
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 1, 2006 12:33 AM
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Maybe you could bring in a policy of retrospective abortions for the arseholes who carry on in this way. Bastards.
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P.S.: If Alternet wouldn't mind, they should preemptively investigate the ND Legislature before we suffer the same fate as our southern neighbors on the abortion ban.
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 1, 2006 5:45 AM
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Why of course we never will have that sort of America, because these articles are calculated to divide instead of unite.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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Post Abortion Healing Help, and Post Abortion Stress Syndrome Support.
"This website provides a neutral, non-political, non-religion based, non-judgmental place for women to communicate with each other after an abortion."
Maybe the name hasn't been accepted by the APA, but do not deny the experience of many women.
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Posted by: Jim on May 1, 2006 5:57 AM
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They did not have the resources to provide lots of services other than a free pregnancy test and caring listeners, but sacrificed to support those who chose to have their babies with lots of baby supplies and financially when they could.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on May 1, 2006 8:30 AM
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The shading and editing of facts, fear-mongering, dealing in innuendo and playing on people's emotions is not in anyone's best interest, certainly not the women seeking options and professional care. Neither Abortion Clinics or 'Crisis Pregnancy Centers' counsel their customers with the full spectrum of options or the costs/benefit of such options. They are both so totally entrenched in the advocacy and advancement of their cause that the needs of pregnant women takes second place.
If Hospitals and Medical Clinics conducted procedural medicine with the same lack of fully informed consent that is practiced at many abortion clinics, they would be sued out of existence. If Psychologists provided counsel to patients with the selective 'facts' and options offered by many 'Crisis Pregnancy Centers', they would be subject professional censure or loss of their license.
Although there are certainly people on both sides that do not practice to these extremes, they are not normative. In the end, the women in need of professional medical counsel and care are not being well served. That is a tragedy.
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Posted by: Againstthewindwalking on May 1, 2006 9:47 AM
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What happened to the good old days when we would get up and let people know that we have options! What happened to the rigeous rage that drove "Tricky Dick" from the White House? Have we all been scared by the reganites? Have been cowed by jerks like Rush Limbaugh that say the word "liberal" like it's a dirty word? It's time to shit or get off the pot, people! This administration is a liberal's dream come true! All we have to do is come up with a clear, and concise plan of action for America! We can do it! We've got everything we need to make America great again! All we've got to do is get off our asses and do it!
Turn that fucking TV off and get out in the streets! Let our leaders know we're out here and we're pissed as hell and we're not going to take it!
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Posted by: davidt on May 1, 2006 9:52 AM
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Hey, in case you knotheads missed it. ABORTION IS LEGAL IN THE USA. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL THAT IS YOUR RIGHT TO TRY TO DO. BUT. ALL THREE BRANCHES OF THE US GOV'T ARE CONTROLLED BY YOUR GOP AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN POWER FOR A WHILE NOW. AND ABORTION IS STLL LEGAL. THAT WOULD TEND TO INFORM ME, AND YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT IT LEGAL. WE STILL HAVE A DEMOCRACY THE BIBLE NOTWITHSTANDING.
However there is a place that is right now the world's leader in abortions. They need help with their democracy since an interventionist country that is very fond of instituting a "Bayonnet Democracy" in countries that have something that the US Gov't covets is doing its thing, again.
During the Good Old Days of the Cold War we used the ploy of Incipient Communist Takeover to intervene in these countries but hey, Reagan won the Cold War-nice guy!-so now we get out the bayonnets and puncture some recalcitrant asses.
Demcracy has taken hold in this country BUT the abortions are still reigning SUPREME on BOTH sides.
Where is this clinic that needs your biblical assistance? Why it is now called the Democratic Republic of Iraq. So do god's work and get on a plane and help eradicate ALL abortions.
You do that I will work on another pressing biblical assault--the NFL. It seems the Bible forbids the handling of an unclean pig on the sabbath. Sorry Colt & Cowboy fans but you've got some important decisions to make.
Bless you in all you do. Aaaaaaaaaaaamennnnnn, and women also, of course.
David T. Gray
Claremont, NH
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Posted by: Maude on May 1, 2006 11:39 AM
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Another woman and I went to pregnacy help places and interviewed the woman who ran them. It was tricky. We could ask certain questions and determine if they used pressure tactics on the women to continue their pregnacies.
The actual agenda was hidden.
The only thing that would come out of making abortion illegal is that more women would die.
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Posted by: Longdream on May 1, 2006 8:41 PM
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Ten points for a direct hit, fifty if the target hits the pavement.
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An excerpt from the article:
One pamphlet called "A Real Woman" made explicit the biblically based ideology these centers want to impose: "A Real Woman: appreciates God's design of men and women, behaves like a lady, believes in God, understands chastity, is modest, pure and chaste, loves babies, finds strength in her husband, is happy and content."
Other pamphlets spread fear: one called "Women Hurt" warned of "Post-Abortion Syndrome"--an entirely invented condition which, after exhaustive studies, is not recognized by any legitimate psychological or medical organization (although they will likely face increased pressure to recognize this "syndrome"). Similar pamphlets spread more lies: that women who have abortions risk everything from drug abuse, eating disorders, major depression, to "symptoms similar to post-traumatic stress disorder." One pamphlet, in a gross and insulting instance of turning reality on its head, likened having an abortion to being raped.1
Read more:
How They Deceive Women
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Posted by: elizacoop on May 8, 2006 8:53 AM
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I must disagree with anyone who believes they limit the discussion to abortion, or try to convince women to abort. The counselor helped us cut through our overwhelm and confusion. We discussed abortion, adoption and parenthood.
Result: Our fabulous son will graduate with highest honors from HS next month.
There is real counseling available in abortion clinics, but most women who go there already have their minds made up, which seems to escape those who think the so-called "abortion industry" is some kind of high-profit enterprise. In our experience there was no coercion toward abortion.
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Right to Know
I'm not sure whether there's a federal equivalent, but I'm fairly certain that most if not all states require that such information be distributed.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers, on the other hand, have no such laws to answer to - at least not in Kansas.
Last year, our legislature passed a bill creating grants for these centers. (Previously, our governor had line-item vetoed the budget item, so they created a stand-alone bill named after a respected legislator who had passed away.)
In the midst of all the Kansas hullabaloo about mandatory reporters and child predators (does the name Phill Kline ring a bell?), we found it interesting that no one was talking about the underage women seeking services at CPC's. So we had a Senator offer an amendment to require any CPC receiving state funds to have a mandatory reporter present during the center's operating hours.
Oh! All of the sudden, the conservatives in the Senate were preaching the importance of privacy and the need for young women in difficult situations to access services without having to worry about the police getting involved. The previous week, they passed a bill that required all abortion providers to submit fetal tissue samples to the KBI, without the patients' knowledge or consent, whenever an abortion was performed on someone under 14. But when we're talking about someone who wants to have a baby (or doesn't know what they're getting themselves into by visiting a CPC), mandatory reporting is an invasion of privacy!
Pretty incredible.
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http://www.maggotpunks.com/2004/2004-06-09.htm
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Posted by: Joachim on Jan 24, 2007 12:58 AM
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look around - it's there
abortion simply victimizes her again
this merciless industry leaves behind one dead and one wounded
sometimes it leaves two dead
it is the ultimate child abuse
it is the ultimate violent act against innocence
it is driven by greed and fed by lies and despair
There is a better solution
Life and love
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In the U.S. : 4 million low-income children under age of 12 experience hunger each year...an additional 9.6 million children are at risk of hunger?
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