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President Fire Thunder's decision to take the lead on this issue is nothing short of remarkable considering the number of challenges on the reservation. Almost half of all Native American women in South Dakota are poor, compared with approximately 10 percent of white women, according to the Institute for Women's Policy Research report on the Status of Women in South Dakota. Median annual earnings for women in South Dakota rank last in the nation. Furthermore, the unemployment rate on the reservation is 85 percent and the life expectancy rate is 46 for men and 55 for women.
But President Fire Thunder is a determined woman. Besides announcing plans for the clinic, she has continued to focus on the need to address rape as an issue for South Dakota women, particularly Native American women. One in six American women has been the victim of rape or attempted rape, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey. The average annual rate of rape and sexual assault among American Indians is three and a half times higher than the national average.
Fire Thunder is one of the co-chairs of a new coalition called the South Dakota Campaign for Healthy Families. The group just announced a grassroots plan to contest the abortion ban on the November ballot. They have until June 19 to collect 16,728 signatures.
AlterNet's Rose Aguilar spoke with President Fire Thunder about the clinic, abortion ban and challenges facing women who live in rural areas.
Rose Aguilar: Tell me about the clinic you're planning to build.
Cecelia Fire Thunder: The proposed clinic would be for all women because right now, if a woman needs an abortion, she needs to go all the way to Sioux Falls. This clinic would go beyond abortion and contraception. We're missing out on teaching our boys and men about what they need to do to avoid pregnancies.
Rose Aguilar: I called the governor's office to find out what the penalty would be for women who have abortions if the law goes into effect, but haven't received a call back. If the law is upheld, will women be able to have legal abortions on your reservation?
Fire Thunder: We don't know. We have five Indian lawyers working on this right now. When we go face to face with the South Dakota lawmakers, we'll be ready.
Aguilar: You've made it a point to talk about rape in your interviews. While the abortion ban has received widespread attention, there's been little talk about how this law would force a girl who'd been raped by a male relative to have his baby.
Fire Thunder: We need to start talking about those issues. Americans should be outraged about the number of women who are raped in this country. We need to also speak out for women in places like Afghanistan and other war-torn areas where rape is happening. This is not new. Rape has always been a part of life. Unfortunately, the world is not always a safe place for women.
Ultimately, this is a much bigger issue than just abortion. The women of America should be outraged that policies and decisions about their bodies are being made by male politicians and clergy. It's time for women to reclaim their bodies.
Women in America have something that women in other parts of the world don't have. Women in this country don't appreciate their right to free speech. Women in America can be the voice of women around the world. This is a call to arms by women in the United States.
Aguilar: And not only are the anti-choicers going after abortion, they're also going after birth control.
Fire Thunder: Women should have access to contraception. No questions asked. Contraception is a solution. Why don't they (politicians) get it?
Aguilar: Do the women on the reservation have access to contraception?
Fire Thunder: We have Indian clinics on the reservation, so birth control is available, but it's not enough. We're going to go ahead with the clinic no matter what. If nothing else, we need to establish a place where women feel comfortable.
Aguilar: How will you fund it?
Fire Thunder: I'm not concerned about that. We'll get a lot of support. If it's meant to be, it'll happen. We pray a lot. We trust that there will be people who support it.
Aguilar: How do these laws directly impact the poor women on the reservation?
Women of color and poor women have always known that regardless of what happens, women with money will have access to abortion. Women with money will have access to contraception. No matter which way you cut it, it's always on the backs of poor women.
An elder on my reservation said, "So they don't want you to have contraception or abortions after rape? Are they going to step up and take care of that baby?"
Aguilar: Do you think the pro-choice movement does enough to reach out to poor women?
Fire Thunder: Yes and no. For the most part, we have to empower ourselves. We're becoming much more politically astute, and we're getting a lot more young people involved. We love to get people riled up.
Aguilar: Tell me about your reservation and the realities women living in rural areas face in this political climate.
Fire Thunder: My reservation is 50 miles by 100 miles long. It's a large rural community of 40,000 people and 60 percent of our people speak our language. Half of our population is under 18.
In a perfect world, if a woman is raped, she will call the police, and the police will take her to the emergency room. The emergency room will have components in place to help this woman, including the morning-after pill to prevent the pregnancy. In rural America, that doesn't happen. Many places in rural America do not know about the morning-after pill.
On the reservation, we have to take a look at the high rates of alcohol and drug use. More often than not, young women who've been raped while under the influence will be blamed for being drunk. If someone is raped, especially out in the rural community, they may not report it. After three days, they've passed the cut-off point for taking the morning-after pill.
How many babies are conceived during the act of violence? We don't know.
Aguilar: Tell me about your background.
Fire Thunder: I was born and raised on the reservation. Then I went to Los Angeles on a relocation program from 1963 to 1976. The program was the Eisenhower administration's solution to the "Indian problem." What they wanted to do was put us in cities and hope we would disappear. During the '70s, Los Angeles had the largest Indian population in the U.S.
I eventually became a nurse and was able to provide for my two children. I returned to the reservation in 1987 and eventually worked for the state health department.
Aguilar: And eventually became the first woman president of your tribe.
Fire Thunder: Yes, it says a lot about my tribe. My job is to look after 2.7 million acres of land. My job is to take care of the water. My responsibilities are not only about the two-legged, but the four-legged. I have to make sure we have an infrastructure in place, that our educational systems are working, that we have healthcare and that our people have enough food to eat.
Right in my own backyard, I have great possibilities. We're very patriotic on my reservation, however, it's time to get out of Iraq. We need to let people make their own decisions about their future. As a woman and a mother, I personally don't want any more women to cry.
Aguilar: Are many men from the reservation in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Fire Thunder: You bet. We have hundreds of guys over there, and they volunteer to go. We just had a big funeral here last month. It was our first casualty.
Aguilar: How old was he?
Fire Thunder: He was 22. So many of our resources have been taken away from us to support that war. There's a huge groundswell of Americans that say enough is enough. It's time to get out of there.
Aguilar: What are your plans from here?
Fire Thunder: I'll continue pushing the envelope and exerting our sovereignty.
A long time ago, we had medicines that were available to terminate a pregnancy. Women like my grandmother were medicine women, and they had it in their possession. So you look at every culture in the world, and there were ways we took care of ourselves. You didn't have people passing laws to control a woman's body.
As a woman, it's my job to support women. It's my job to support my sisters.
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Mz. Thunder should set up a prescription drug internet sales using cheap drugs from Canada.
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ATTN: President Fire Thunder
P. O. Box 2070
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
or
ATTN: PRESIDENT FIRE THUNDER
PO BOX 990
Martin, SD 57751
For donations specifically for the Planned Parenthood clinic, make checks out to OST Planned Parenthood Cecelia Fire Thunder. General donations may be made out to the Oglala Sioux Tribe.
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Posted by: Nez46 on Apr 4, 2006 7:57 AM
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I thank Grandfather for people like you, Cecilia Fire Thunder; may your voice be heard for decades and may your actions make arrogant wasichus wake up and take notice!
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Posted by: Pocahontas on Apr 4, 2006 8:02 AM
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All the Siouxian tribes are very proud and brave people. I hope everyone feels encouraged to join them in this movement, and support their new clinic which will be open to all women.
The State of South Dakota has no jurisdiction on the reservation -- except when the tribe has entered into such agreements with the State.
So, Fire Thunder will be successful with her plans for the new clinic. Rich white women may be Fire Thunder's best ally for supporting this new clinic.
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Posted by: susanrhea on Apr 4, 2006 11:09 AM
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Thank you Pres Thunder for taking this action!
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Apr 4, 2006 11:26 AM
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Has anyone else noticed that the clinic is not only a splendid riposte to troglodytes in the state Legislature and a service to the women of the area; it's also good economic development policy? There will be jobs and a lot of traffic; they should also build a store and a motel nearby.
I was also struck by her reference to traditional contraceptives/abortifacients, known to her grandmother. Does she, or someone in the tribe, still know what those are? The world needs this knowledge, and the Sioux Nation could benefit from patenting it. They're entitled, and should beat the drug companies to it.
And thanks to other commenters for the addresses.
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Also, CNN is running a story about a 70-year-old doctor and grandmother who takes a 45-minute flight from Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Sioux Falls, to perform abortions at the only clinic willing to offer the procedure. She is the only doctor in the area who is willing to provide abortions.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/31/griffin.abortion/
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As a wild horse activist, I loved this Woman Leaders comment about taking care of the four legged creatures as well.
What a wise woman. Can she be our leader instead of Bush?
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If Bolivia said, enough is enough, why not the USA??
Why should it have to be an unattainable dream?
Also; Google her name so that you can see photos of her. She certainly has the presence and bearing of a Commander-in-Chief!
America: Imagine the possibilities!
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However, by making such a statement, you are plainly stating that the destruction of our children – whom you have acknowledged to be sacred – should be an option because women are also sacred.
Are you saying that women are more sacred than children? Is this really the Lakota way?
You have implied that the abortion ban in South Dakota infringes upon the sovereignty of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. Yet, how can this be, since the sovereign government of the Oglala Sioux Tribe has already established a code that protects the rights of unborn children? By stating publicly that you are going to personally establish a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic within the boundaries of the Pine Ridge Reservation, are you not setting yourself up as a dictator? Has the tribe given you the power to disregard the tribal code and take this kind of unilateral action? By making such a brazenly totalitarian comment, is it not you who threatens the sovereignty and self-determination of the Oglala Sioux Tribe?
In your public statements, you have asserted that the white male establishment is once again attempting to limit the rights of women and natives by establishing this abortion ban. Yet, you want to set-up a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic on the Pine Ridge Reservation. Do you not know that nothing exemplifies the “white establishment” and its history of heartless genocide more than a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic? Do you not know that Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a white supremacist that viewed abortion as a means of ethnic cleansing? Do you not realize that you are essentially inviting a tool of the racist white establishment onto the reservation to continue its history of violence against Native people? Do you not see that you are becoming a tool of the very same white establishment that you talk against? You are nothing more than today’s equivalent of a native U.S. Army scout who assisted the U.S. government in the attempted destruction of the Lakota way of life. Once again, is it not you that is threatening the sovereignty of the Oglala Lakota Nation?
You are noted for your lamentations about Lakota men and how the Lakota Warrior no longer exists. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Lakota Warrior is alive and well. He may be asleep from time to time, but nothing could awaken him more quickly than an attack on his children. If you and those who believe like you do continue your ruthless campaign of destruction upon the sacred future of this great Lakota nation, expect to see its warriors rise to the occasion to protect the lives of our children.
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Posted by: morticia on Apr 15, 2006 11:06 PM
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Your talk of warriors rising up to "protect their children" is just another way of saying men should control women. Get off your high, solemn horse and learn the facts about what it means for women (white, black, Indian, whatever) when abortion is illegal.
Have a look:
http://www.sapphireblue.com/25years/
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Mz. Thunder should set up a prescription drug internet sales using cheap drugs from Canada.
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ATTN: President Fire Thunder
P. O. Box 2070
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
or
ATTN: PRESIDENT FIRE THUNDER
PO BOX 990
Martin, SD 57751
For donations specifically for the Planned Parenthood clinic, make checks out to OST Planned Parenthood Cecelia Fire Thunder. General donations may be made out to the Oglala Sioux Tribe.
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I thank Grandfather for people like you, Cecilia Fire Thunder; may your voice be heard for decades and may your actions make arrogant wasichus wake up and take notice!
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All the Siouxian tribes are very proud and brave people. I hope everyone feels encouraged to join them in this movement, and support their new clinic which will be open to all women.
The State of South Dakota has no jurisdiction on the reservation -- except when the tribe has entered into such agreements with the State.
So, Fire Thunder will be successful with her plans for the new clinic. Rich white women may be Fire Thunder's best ally for supporting this new clinic.
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Posted by: susanrhea on Apr 4, 2006 11:09 AM
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Thank you Pres Thunder for taking this action!
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Has anyone else noticed that the clinic is not only a splendid riposte to troglodytes in the state Legislature and a service to the women of the area; it's also good economic development policy? There will be jobs and a lot of traffic; they should also build a store and a motel nearby.
I was also struck by her reference to traditional contraceptives/abortifacients, known to her grandmother. Does she, or someone in the tribe, still know what those are? The world needs this knowledge, and the Sioux Nation could benefit from patenting it. They're entitled, and should beat the drug companies to it.
And thanks to other commenters for the addresses.
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Also, CNN is running a story about a 70-year-old doctor and grandmother who takes a 45-minute flight from Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Sioux Falls, to perform abortions at the only clinic willing to offer the procedure. She is the only doctor in the area who is willing to provide abortions.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/31/griffin.abortion/
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As a wild horse activist, I loved this Woman Leaders comment about taking care of the four legged creatures as well.
What a wise woman. Can she be our leader instead of Bush?
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If Bolivia said, enough is enough, why not the USA??
Why should it have to be an unattainable dream?
Also; Google her name so that you can see photos of her. She certainly has the presence and bearing of a Commander-in-Chief!
America: Imagine the possibilities!
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So. Dak. Abortion Ban~~Sodomized Religious Virgin Exception
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However, by making such a statement, you are plainly stating that the destruction of our children – whom you have acknowledged to be sacred – should be an option because women are also sacred.
Are you saying that women are more sacred than children? Is this really the Lakota way?
You have implied that the abortion ban in South Dakota infringes upon the sovereignty of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. Yet, how can this be, since the sovereign government of the Oglala Sioux Tribe has already established a code that protects the rights of unborn children? By stating publicly that you are going to personally establish a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic within the boundaries of the Pine Ridge Reservation, are you not setting yourself up as a dictator? Has the tribe given you the power to disregard the tribal code and take this kind of unilateral action? By making such a brazenly totalitarian comment, is it not you who threatens the sovereignty and self-determination of the Oglala Sioux Tribe?
In your public statements, you have asserted that the white male establishment is once again attempting to limit the rights of women and natives by establishing this abortion ban. Yet, you want to set-up a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic on the Pine Ridge Reservation. Do you not know that nothing exemplifies the “white establishment” and its history of heartless genocide more than a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic? Do you not know that Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a white supremacist that viewed abortion as a means of ethnic cleansing? Do you not realize that you are essentially inviting a tool of the racist white establishment onto the reservation to continue its history of violence against Native people? Do you not see that you are becoming a tool of the very same white establishment that you talk against? You are nothing more than today’s equivalent of a native U.S. Army scout who assisted the U.S. government in the attempted destruction of the Lakota way of life. Once again, is it not you that is threatening the sovereignty of the Oglala Lakota Nation?
You are noted for your lamentations about Lakota men and how the Lakota Warrior no longer exists. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Lakota Warrior is alive and well. He may be asleep from time to time, but nothing could awaken him more quickly than an attack on his children. If you and those who believe like you do continue your ruthless campaign of destruction upon the sacred future of this great Lakota nation, expect to see its warriors rise to the occasion to protect the lives of our children.
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Posted by: morticia on Apr 15, 2006 11:06 PM
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Your talk of warriors rising up to "protect their children" is just another way of saying men should control women. Get off your high, solemn horse and learn the facts about what it means for women (white, black, Indian, whatever) when abortion is illegal.
Have a look:
http://www.sapphireblue.com/25years/
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Posted by: morticia on Apr 16, 2006 11:41 AM
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Posted by: vespasian01 on May 6, 2006 1:15 PM
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