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Alito will like be confirmed by a similar margin in Tuesday's confirmation vote, where only a simple majority of 51 senators is necessary.
Independent Jim Jeffords of Vermont and Republican Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island have stated they intend to vote against Alito on Tuesday. So far, four Democratic senators have publicly stated they will vote to confirm Alito: Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, Tim Johnson of South Dakota, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Kent Conrad of North Dakota.
It was a surprise to many that only 25 Senators voted against cloture. As of Sunday, Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin told the press he had 37 of the 41 votes necessary to support a filibuster of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito.
All eight Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee were in unison in their voting against Alito before his nomination made it to the floor. Because Alito has passed committee -- on a strict party-line, 10-8 vote -- the filibuster was the only mechanism that would have prevented his confirmation. Filibusters permit senators to block or hold a measure or nominee whether or not they are in a majority. Senate rules -- which Bill Frist had been threatening to "nuke" back in 2005 -- state that if one member wants to debate or introduce motions and amendments they can do so for as long as they like unless cloture, which requires 60 votes, is invoked.
Even for the prospect of the filibuster to have proceeded as far as it did is a testament to the hard work and power of activists and progressive online media outlets. Bob Fertik of Democrats.com, the news site BuzzFlash.com and the Young Turks radio show led by host Cenk Uygur were some of the early and most earnest advocates for Democrats to come out and push hard for a filibuster when the media and the "Washington consensus" had already named Alito to the Supreme Court. John Kerry was reminded of his campaign pledge to filibuster any nominee who would not protect Roe v. Wade, and eventually with the aid of Sen. Edward Kennedy, Kerry turned the tide.
By the late weekend, Democrats who had come to view an Alito nomination as a done deal eventually -- and grudgingly -- said they would support a filibuster, even as they publicly stated a filibuster would never work.
Illinois Democratic Sen. Barack Obama was reported to have criticized the idea of filibustering Alito earlier last week, but on Sunday he pledged he would vote for one. Obama didn't muster up much enthusiasm for it as a political tactic, however. "There's one way to guarantee that the judges who are appointed to the Supreme Court are judges that reflect [Democratic] values," Obama said. "And that's to win elections."
Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware was less sanguine over the weekend even as he promised a vote against Alito. "I think a filibuster makes sense when you have a prospect of actually succeeding," said Biden, adding, "I will vote one time to continue the debate." Biden said that in any case, "the fact of the matter" was that Alito would be confirmed. Minority Whip Dick Durbin on the other hand said it was going to be much easier for him to cast a "no" vote against Alito than it was for his "no" vote against the previous nominee, John Roberts.
While the line of questioning the Senate Democrats took in the Judiciary Committee hearings with Alito often appeared to be more about political vanity than hard questions about the role of power in the executive branch, it has to be recognized that the political opportunity was once again there for the Democrats' taking, only to be rejected in favor of a cautious approach that has paid few dividends since Bush took office.
Republican Sen. Lincoln Chafee's rationale for voting against Alito on Tuesday was that the idea of Alito being on the Supreme Court went against his "pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-Bill of Rights" sensibilities. One wonders, what exactly are the sensibilities of the Democrats who will vote to confirm Alito?
Note: This article has been updated since the Senate cloture vote on Monday.
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Posted by: Plexius on Jan 30, 2006 1:55 AM
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Now there's enough cover for the spineless senators to make the right noises and still cave in to the administration's rethuglican bullies, we'll get to hear the usual rationalizations and quibbling until the next 'cause' comes along. Because, ScAlito or no ScAlito, dems will vote for whoever they're told to. The rest is hot air and bluster.
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Posted by: anothername on Jan 30, 2006 5:22 AM
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First, the president is allowed to nominate, with the advice and CONSENT of the Senate. Thus, the president is entitled to nominate whomever he wishes, and the Senate is entitled to say "no" to whomever it wishes.
Second, I have a hard time justifying denying a position for any specific issue, whether it is abortion or something else. I absolutely want abortion to remain legal and easily accessible for women of all circumstances. If I were in the Senate, I might even vote against a nomination for that reason alone; however, I still would not be able to justify it on a judicial/qualification level.
Third, the reaon why I am furious about the Alito nomination is that it is another white male. We have had diversity on the Supreme Court for decades now. That diversity has led to a better appreciation for real-world consequences of Court decisions. While I do not want a quota for the Court, with specific seats set aside for men/women, whites/blacks/asians/white & non-white hispanics, gay/straight/transgender, neither do I want a Court that is dominated by white males.
This is also the reason why I oppose a filibuster led by Kennedy/Kerry. It is just more privileged white men objecting for what appears to be publicity. This is the real problem, and one that The Daily Show hit upon: The U.S. Congress is not diverse.
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Posted by: rnagisetty on Jan 30, 2006 6:04 AM
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I am so disgusted with Byrd. Such a hollow person. He is making another horrendous mistake of his life. This is as bad as joining the KKK and voting against rights for the black people.
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Posted by: saywhat? on Jan 30, 2006 6:28 AM
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when will the perfect moment come to be stellar? when will the moment come that , like obama says, we win elections? i am waiting for that perfect moment!
please worry about our bill of rights today and if you are a liitle rough around the edges i won't care.
sorry if i am leaning on you for procedural measures. it's just that we are in the midst of a constitutional crisis right now and well, you are a representative.
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Posted by: manxome on Jan 30, 2006 7:14 AM
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Integrity says that you do what is right, period. It does not matter what your proscpects for re-election are, or what you think the outcome of a vote will be.
When will be a convenient time for you to defend the Constitution?
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compared to the game of "chess"! They make moves years
removed....until their players are all in position...then move in for the "kill"!! It is happenening now ...as we read! Alito is
another game piece being moved into position. As much as
we...the concerned...kick and scream...there is nothing we can do.It`s their move again...and they`re moving in for check mate! This power base will not be denied! Until a more radical idea becomes a movement....bow your heads ..oh fellow citizens of mine ....and take the shit thats being shoveled on us! May the Power of Heavens look favorably on
the common people and empower us to change this direction!
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EXCEPT FOR 25, MOST OF WHOM HAVE HAD THEIR "ARMS TWISTED" ALL WEEKEND, the rest were not brave! They did not stand tall in the face of IMPERIAL POWER and they did not do the RIGHT THING for the PEOPLE of this country! Instead, they listened to their "handlers" and their lobbiests. THEY DID NOT GROW A SPINE! I am exceptionally angry with Senator Lieberman, who I hope will be thrown out of office because of this vote! HOW DARE HE CALL HIMSELF A DEMOCRAT? I AM ASHAMED TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF AMONG THOSE IN MY PARTY WHO DEEMED IT APPROPRIATE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS FILIBUSTER! MAYBE IT IS NOW TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A CHANGE!
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Which leads one to ask ‘How does one run a police state when sixty percent of its economy is in service industries? How does the rest of the world DEFEND itself against the police state when the very people suppressed DRIVE the rest of the world’s economy?’
But, I digress.
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Posted by: krose on Jan 31, 2006 9:39 AM
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JOE'S GOTTA GO! HE'S SUCH A SHMO, THAT HE'S A NO!
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Posted by: Wacre on Jan 31, 2006 9:43 AM
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Wow! It's almost as if the Democrats to even need Republicans to screw up (though it does help).
Now let's see...it appears that Senator Joe Biden is saying that the filibuster in the case of Samuel Alito wouldn't work, so he isn't going to try.
Isn't this the kind of thinking that has almost rendered the Democrats almost a political afterthought? I don't know about the rest of you out in AlternetLand, but I really wish that Mr. Biden would just join the Republicans and be done with it so that he stops mudding the waters for those politicians that are trying to be real opposition to the Republicans.
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Jan 31, 2006 9:49 AM
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A dictatorial executive, a rubber stamp legislature, a co-opted judiciary, a muzzled press, a slumbering populace.
No integrity, no honesty, no responsibility, no accountability, and all too soon, no freedom, no liberty, no security, no hope.
Give me a reason to go on living, goddammit!
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» no one will come to the fore in its aid.
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Posted by: Cindy on Jan 31, 2006 10:37 AM
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Well, so much for the"opposition party".
Then I turned to C-Span and watched the vote in horror at what the Dems did and did not do. Well, so much for being Democrats.
And now sadly, thanks to them and their utter lack of backbone and true patriotism, so much for what's left of our Democracy.
I feel just great living in this nightmare world of "1984".
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It means get your passports and get out while you still can.
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Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jan 31, 2006 2:37 PM
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Okay, it's been demonstrated to you yet again what a waste of oxygen the democrat party is. After Kerry's craven 2004 cave-in, after CAFTA and the bankruptcy bill and REAL ID and all the rest, it's finally been conclusively driven home what a giant nest of slime-covered toads the dem leadership really is.
Now, it's time to go to work.
Here's a head start for you:
GREEN PARTY OF AMERICA
WORKING FAMILIES PARTY
THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
KEVIN ZEESE
LOWELL WEICKER
Find a party and start building. Find a candidate and start working. Finally, at last, find a goddamn spine and get to work!
'Cause, again, this is going to take years and years to fix. And there's no time left to screw around with democrats.
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Yours,
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Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jan 30, 2006 4:43 AM
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Now there's enough cover for the spineless senators to make the right noises and still cave in to the administration's rethuglican bullies, we'll get to hear the usual rationalizations and quibbling until the next 'cause' comes along. Because, ScAlito or no ScAlito, dems will vote for whoever they're told to. The rest is hot air and bluster.
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First, the president is allowed to nominate, with the advice and CONSENT of the Senate. Thus, the president is entitled to nominate whomever he wishes, and the Senate is entitled to say "no" to whomever it wishes.
Second, I have a hard time justifying denying a position for any specific issue, whether it is abortion or something else. I absolutely want abortion to remain legal and easily accessible for women of all circumstances. If I were in the Senate, I might even vote against a nomination for that reason alone; however, I still would not be able to justify it on a judicial/qualification level.
Third, the reaon why I am furious about the Alito nomination is that it is another white male. We have had diversity on the Supreme Court for decades now. That diversity has led to a better appreciation for real-world consequences of Court decisions. While I do not want a quota for the Court, with specific seats set aside for men/women, whites/blacks/asians/white & non-white hispanics, gay/straight/transgender, neither do I want a Court that is dominated by white males.
This is also the reason why I oppose a filibuster led by Kennedy/Kerry. It is just more privileged white men objecting for what appears to be publicity. This is the real problem, and one that The Daily Show hit upon: The U.S. Congress is not diverse.
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Posted by: rnagisetty on Jan 30, 2006 6:04 AM
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I am so disgusted with Byrd. Such a hollow person. He is making another horrendous mistake of his life. This is as bad as joining the KKK and voting against rights for the black people.
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Posted by: saywhat? on Jan 30, 2006 6:28 AM
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when will the perfect moment come to be stellar? when will the moment come that , like obama says, we win elections? i am waiting for that perfect moment!
please worry about our bill of rights today and if you are a liitle rough around the edges i won't care.
sorry if i am leaning on you for procedural measures. it's just that we are in the midst of a constitutional crisis right now and well, you are a representative.
?????
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Integrity says that you do what is right, period. It does not matter what your proscpects for re-election are, or what you think the outcome of a vote will be.
When will be a convenient time for you to defend the Constitution?
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» RE: Snowe could be the lynch pin.
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Jan 30, 2006 2:42 PM
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compared to the game of "chess"! They make moves years
removed....until their players are all in position...then move in for the "kill"!! It is happenening now ...as we read! Alito is
another game piece being moved into position. As much as
we...the concerned...kick and scream...there is nothing we can do.It`s their move again...and they`re moving in for check mate! This power base will not be denied! Until a more radical idea becomes a movement....bow your heads ..oh fellow citizens of mine ....and take the shit thats being shoveled on us! May the Power of Heavens look favorably on
the common people and empower us to change this direction!
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» The American people have spoken.
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» RE: Just another minor issue folks....
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Posted by: krose on Jan 30, 2006 3:00 PM
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EXCEPT FOR 25, MOST OF WHOM HAVE HAD THEIR "ARMS TWISTED" ALL WEEKEND, the rest were not brave! They did not stand tall in the face of IMPERIAL POWER and they did not do the RIGHT THING for the PEOPLE of this country! Instead, they listened to their "handlers" and their lobbiests. THEY DID NOT GROW A SPINE! I am exceptionally angry with Senator Lieberman, who I hope will be thrown out of office because of this vote! HOW DARE HE CALL HIMSELF A DEMOCRAT? I AM ASHAMED TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF AMONG THOSE IN MY PARTY WHO DEEMED IT APPROPRIATE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS FILIBUSTER! MAYBE IT IS NOW TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A CHANGE!
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Posted by: DDZimm on Jan 30, 2006 3:11 PM
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Which leads one to ask ‘How does one run a police state when sixty percent of its economy is in service industries? How does the rest of the world DEFEND itself against the police state when the very people suppressed DRIVE the rest of the world’s economy?’
But, I digress.
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» RE: Well, look on the bright side…
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Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jan 30, 2006 4:02 PM
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Nighty-Night.
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» Calling all progressive candidates to be...
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Posted by: krose on Jan 31, 2006 9:39 AM
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JOE'S GOTTA GO! HE'S SUCH A SHMO, THAT HE'S A NO!
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Posted by: Wacre on Jan 31, 2006 9:43 AM
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Wow! It's almost as if the Democrats to even need Republicans to screw up (though it does help).
Now let's see...it appears that Senator Joe Biden is saying that the filibuster in the case of Samuel Alito wouldn't work, so he isn't going to try.
Isn't this the kind of thinking that has almost rendered the Democrats almost a political afterthought? I don't know about the rest of you out in AlternetLand, but I really wish that Mr. Biden would just join the Republicans and be done with it so that he stops mudding the waters for those politicians that are trying to be real opposition to the Republicans.
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Jan 31, 2006 9:49 AM
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A dictatorial executive, a rubber stamp legislature, a co-opted judiciary, a muzzled press, a slumbering populace.
No integrity, no honesty, no responsibility, no accountability, and all too soon, no freedom, no liberty, no security, no hope.
Give me a reason to go on living, goddammit!
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» no one will come to the fore in its aid.
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Posted by: Cindy on Jan 31, 2006 10:37 AM
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Well, so much for the"opposition party".
Then I turned to C-Span and watched the vote in horror at what the Dems did and did not do. Well, so much for being Democrats.
And now sadly, thanks to them and their utter lack of backbone and true patriotism, so much for what's left of our Democracy.
I feel just great living in this nightmare world of "1984".
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» RE: they never cease to disappoint....
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Posted by: mom'z the word on Jan 31, 2006 11:58 AM
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It means get your passports and get out while you still can.
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Posted by: mister-wilson on Jan 31, 2006 1:08 PM
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» RE: name names. do not re-elect.
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Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jan 31, 2006 2:37 PM
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Okay, it's been demonstrated to you yet again what a waste of oxygen the democrat party is. After Kerry's craven 2004 cave-in, after CAFTA and the bankruptcy bill and REAL ID and all the rest, it's finally been conclusively driven home what a giant nest of slime-covered toads the dem leadership really is.
Now, it's time to go to work.
Here's a head start for you:
GREEN PARTY OF AMERICA
WORKING FAMILIES PARTY
THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
KEVIN ZEESE
LOWELL WEICKER
Find a party and start building. Find a candidate and start working. Finally, at last, find a goddamn spine and get to work!
'Cause, again, this is going to take years and years to fix. And there's no time left to screw around with democrats.
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Posted by: texshelters on Jan 31, 2006 3:31 PM
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Yours,
Tex
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