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Civics Student...or Enemy of America?

After a Wal-Mart employee turned in a high school student's anti-Bush poster to the police, the Secret Service came calling.
October 7, 2005  |  
 
 
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Selina Jarvis is the chair of the social studies department at Currituck County High School in North Carolina, and she is not used to having the Secret Service question her or one of her students.

But that's what happened on September 20.

Jarvis had assigned her senior civics and economics class "to take photographs to illustrate their rights in the Bill of Rights," she says. One student "had taken a photo of George Bush out of a magazine and tacked the picture to a wall with a red thumb tack through his head. Then he made a thumb's-down sign with his own hand next to the President's picture, and he had a photo taken of that, and he pasted it on a poster."

According to Jarvis, the student, who remains anonymous, was just doing his assignment, illustrating the right to dissent. But over at the Kitty Hawk Wal-Mart, where the student took his film to be developed, this right is evidently suspect.

An employee in that Wal-Mart photo department called the Kitty Hawk police on the student. And the Kitty Hawk police turned the matter over to the Secret Service. On Tuesday, September 20, the Secret Service came to Currituck High.

"At 1:35, the student came to me and told me that the Secret Service had taken his poster," Jarvis says. "I didn't believe him at first. But they had come into my room when I wasn't there and had taken his poster, which was in a stack with all the others."

She says the student was upset. "He was nervous, he was scared, and his parents were out of town on business," says Jarvis. She, too, had to talk to the Secret Service.

"Halfway through my afternoon class, the assistant principal got me out of class and took me to the office conference room," she says. "Two men from the Secret Service were there. They asked me what I knew about the student. I told them he was a great kid, that he was in the homecoming court, and that he'd never been in any trouble."

Then they got down to his poster.

"They asked me, didn't I think that it was suspicious," she recalls. "I said no, it was a Bill of Rights project!"

At the end of the meeting, they told her the incident "would be interpreted by the U.S. attorney, who would decide whether the student could be indicted," she says.

The student was not indicted, and the Secret Service did not pursue the case further.

"I blame Wal-Mart more than anybody," she says. "I was really disgusted with them. But everyone was using poor judgment, from Wal-Mart up to the Secret Service."

When contacted, an employee in the photo department at the Wal-Mart in Kitty Hawk said, "You have to call either the home office or the authorities to get any information about that."

Jacquie Young, a spokesperson for Wal-Mart at company headquarters, did not provide comment within a 24-hour period.

Sharon Davenport of the Kitty Hawk Police Department said, "We just handed it over" to the Secret Service. "No investigative report was filed." Jonathan Scherry, spokesman for the Secret Service in Washington, D.C., said, "We certainly respect artistic freedom, but we also have the responsibility to look into incidents when necessary. In this case, it was brought to our attention from a private citizen, a photo lab employee."

Jarvis uses one word to describe the whole incident: "ridiculous."
Matthew Rothschild is the editor of The Progressive.
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CIVICS 101
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Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 7, 2005 12:16 AM   
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Here this student was trying to illustrate his right to free expression and instead he illustrated that he does not have that right any more. A+ on the high school civics assignment, kid. Wait until his parents get back and ask him what he learned at school!

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Sums up America, actually.
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Posted by: sovinformburo on Oct 7, 2005 12:42 AM   
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Spreading freedom and democracy...... sounds like a stalker talking about "relationships"

Hey wake up! The world ain't buying it any longer.

The USA is no longer the solution. It has become the problem.

It's choking on ......freedom fries ! Yeah, man, pass me that bong for another hit

Incredible.

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It is forbidden to criticize our Dear Leader!
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Posted by: Strephon on Oct 7, 2005 1:41 AM   
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Anyone still want to argue that the USA is not rapidly becoming a fascist state?

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Posted by: adp3d on Oct 7, 2005 3:28 AM   
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I guess its time to start calling them "The Secret Police"...

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civics 101
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Posted by: walldodger69 on Oct 7, 2005 4:34 AM   
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This is geting down right F%$king UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

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No More Freedom
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Posted by: Just Me on Oct 7, 2005 4:43 AM   
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I cannot believe that a Wal-Mart employee turned him in. Wal-Mart has enough problems and if someone thought this was going to improve their image they were incorrect.

Someone objected to this poster, but these same people didn't object when newspapers were running the old-West style poster of Osama Bin Laden (Wanted Dead or Alive) in support of what Bush said.

Talk about double standards. We want to import our brand of humanity to the rest of the world by force, but our brand of humanity stinks.

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Ridiculous, Indeed
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 7, 2005 4:53 AM   
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Walmart, Walmart, Uber Alles...Well for the love of Mitch Miller, what the hell's the matter with these people?? The whole thing is so mind numbingly stupid that one hardly knows what to say! I can't believe that, given the enormity of their responsibilty that the SS, er, Secret Service has this much time on his hands. I've written alot of negative things on the internet and in the various papers that are not complementary of George W. Bush - I mean, let's face it, there's not a hell of alot to be complementary about. That's not to mention several call ins on CSPAN's Washington Journal. Does this mean the Secret Service is investigating me? Let me save them a little bit of work. As Dick Gregory once said when he found out that the Feds were tapping his telephone, "I ain't into nothin'"! Assasins, if we are to believe history tend to be, shall we say, "rightwar leaning"? Most of the martyrs of the twentieth century - Dr. King, Malcom X, John Lennon - tended to be progressive in their thinking. Think about it! Who was the Right's last martyr? George Lincoln Rockwell! 1964!! (And a fine man he was - GAG!) I pray everyday for the safety of President Bush. I am against murder in every form. Period. And, let's face it, the last thing the Right needs is their own Bobby Kennedy. That would be too much to bear.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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VE KNOW VERE U LIF!!
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Posted by: jrmart66 on Oct 7, 2005 5:19 AM   
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And does anyone subscribed to this site think that they are NOT on some ss list? i fully expect to soon be denied my right to fly.

Hey, MOVE ON people, bloggers, do you feel "watched"??

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Our government protects us (not!)
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Posted by: MDLOP8 on Oct 7, 2005 5:27 AM   
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George: so your Secret Service comes to investigate a kid who puts up a poster of you? Hey, moron, isn't this why you REALLY invaded Iraq? Because Saddam had a mosaic of your father on the floor of one of his palaces so that people could walk on it?

So: the Secret Service is going to investigate people who dislike you and express it? You'd better plan on arresting 70% of the country who are fed up with your lies and deceptions over the way that you're handling our foreign affairs, let alone matters at home.

By the way, you STILL will be known as an incompetent leader too.

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Watching me, watching you
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Posted by: Erin on Oct 7, 2005 5:31 AM   
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Does anyone else see the parallel here with what happened in Nazi Germany, where neighbors, friends, even relatives turned in each other? And, yes, I believe that the SS have got all of us from this website (and anyone else expressing their freedom of speech) on their watch list.

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Why would any democrat be foolish enough to run for president in 2008?
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Oct 7, 2005 5:50 AM   
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Why would any democrat be foolish enough to run for president in 2008?


After a decade of republicans running congress and five years of Bush Corp., there’s nothing left to steal. Sure, democrats could keep printing funny money until it takes a SUV loaded to the roof to buy a loaf of bread, but the consequences of all the incompetence and corruption are likely to cause economic collapse even before Bush retires to somewhere safe, like the Bahamas. The next president will inherit a quagmire and be faced with nearly insurmountable problems and extremely limited options. Borrowing your way back to solvency doesn’t work for the average family and isn’t likely to work for a nation, not one that wishes to remain sovereign. Increasing the tax rate on the rich to 90% might help, but at this point, even that wouldn’t solve our debt problems.

We are so close to an even Greater Depression, it might be wiser for democrats to sit out the next presidential election and let a modern day Hoover take the brunt of the people’s rage. Now, even more than then, the political fallout could have dire and long lasting political consequences for the party the people decide to blame. Better to let the republicans reap what they have sown.

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Posted by: seefleur on Oct 7, 2005 6:01 AM   
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So this is just an example of the real definition of "Homeland Security" - thanks to the "Patriot" Act, we've become a fascist nation under God... sad and terrifying. Talk is cheap - we need to DO, not discuss. Where are the leaders who can get this country back to what the Founding Fathers intended??? This can't continue - our children deserve better than this! We, the people, deserve better than this.

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Good example of Wal-Mart culture
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Posted by: sausage on Oct 7, 2005 6:14 AM   
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This story give me another reason for not shopping at Wal-Mart. I know it's like whipping the sea to get the tides to stop, but I haven't stepped foot in a Wal-Mart since 2001.

The tragedy of Wal-Mart culture is that it appeals to the lower middle class, working folks whose incomes are bearly above the "official" poverty line. Not only do these folks shop there, they work there and I think we've all read about Wal-Mart's low, low wages. For me, a trip to Wal-Mart is like going into an elitist SS owned business staffed by working-class SA Brownshirts.

Now don't go overboard, I realize not all Wal-Mart employees have bought into the corporate culture. But many do and remain loyal to the company, until they themselves are screwed by management. Wal-Mart is George Bush's Amerika. It is our futrue if we don't do something now.

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So who is to blame? What was the correct response?
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 7, 2005 7:01 AM   
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Our tax dollars going to pay to fly spooks into suburbia to check on a kid in civics class--that's goofy. Really goofy.

Who was to blame and what should've been done differently? The Wal-Mart photo person, who has been hammered with "If something looks wrong, SPEAK UP", the supervisor, who would tell you he's just doing his job, or the store supervisor, who turned it over to the local authorities?

I would place the blame for the goof on the sheriff, an elected law enforcement officer who is supposed to serve as a buffer between the citizens under his jurisdiction and the spooks from the fed. A sheriff, under our government, enjoys specific responsibilities and has special authorities outside of the executive branch that most folks don't really understand or appreciate...

...and the sheriff punted by taking what he or she probably considered the "prudent"--better safe than sorry--route of forwarding the information to the spooks.

So the spooks took your tax dollars, bought a plane ticket to suburbia, investigated (that's their job), realized there wasn't a threat, and left.

Again, a decent sheriff would have put the brakes on the whole thing well in advance. That there are some gullible idiots (gullible no doubt, but the line between an idiot and a prudent individual is arguably blurred in this instance) working for WallyWorld shouldn't be surprising--isn't WallyCo the largest employer in the U.S.?

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Posted by: GirlCousin on Oct 7, 2005 7:20 AM   
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The Bush regieme and fans had better realize that when someone as crooked as George Bush is elected, lies his way into a war for profit, and undercuts the entire social welfare system in this country, he had better be happy that all that is happening is non-violent dissent. Walmart also should realize that too many incidents like this may encourage more people to boycott them. I haven't bought anything there for over a year and am weaning the rest of my family off of them. My 80 year old mother drives to the next town to shop rather than go to Walmart

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Suspicous art, Wal Mart, and the police state.
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Posted by: Aaron on Oct 7, 2005 7:20 AM   
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Secret service and Wal Mart lackeys alike, I eagerly await your arrival. Contact me at citizensubject.com. Kisses.

suspicious art

Wal Mart

police state

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The Bush Legacy continues...
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Posted by: MTguy on Oct 7, 2005 7:21 AM   
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This is right up there with the totally random airport searches where an 80 year old granny is virtually strip searched. I am sort of surprised that they didn't catch that poster in the Patriot Act web of intrigue!

I hate to say it but I, for one, am no longer proud to be an American citizen. I'm ashamed for the level that Bush and his administration have let our nation fall to. Where are the days when the USA did the right thing even when it was the most difficult thing to do given all the options? For at least three years out, the horizon is pretty dark.

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HIGHER EXPECTATIONS WEEK
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Posted by: American Maid on Oct 7, 2005 7:31 AM   
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One way to combat this ridiculous state of affairs is to join "Higher Expectations Week" now against Wal-Mart which includes screening the new film by Robert Greenwald, "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price" next month (November 13-19).

http://walmartwatch.com
http://www.walmartmovie.com

Get a copy of the movie and have a popcorn party (or several) at your place with all your friends, neighbors, co-workers, family and then have them show the film to their circles.

Wal-Mart is behind a lot of things going on in this Neo-Con world including repeal of the Estate Tax; attacks on Public Education (and their unions) with pushes for charter schools and government funded vouchers for religious (read Christian) schools; lower taxes for the rich; Terry Shiavo fiasco; right to work; Heritage Foundation (among others); repeal of workers' rights and protections; the overtime law; and many, many others.

How the Waltons spend $100 BILLION

The transportation bill just passed allocates like 37 million to build Wal-Mart headquarters in Arkansas a new access road. Do they really need our money?

Think Wal-Mart spent a lot on Katrina? Something they should have done anyway and with their attack on the government just part of why essential services are so bad these days... But it is nothing compared to what they spend on lobbying the government, including for laws to rollback tough state Meth laws, and at 3.7 million a day, everyday, on PR Katrina was a huge bargain for them and much less than they're getting for that access road alone.

When is the last time you saw a Costco ad?

How about a negative Wal-Mart story on ABC?

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IT begins this way
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Oct 7, 2005 7:42 AM   
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Fascism begins when every single member of society becomes an agent of opression.
Ridiculous it was, but alarming.

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Posted by: NamVeT on Oct 7, 2005 7:44 AM   
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all of us on sites like this or Americablog.com, etc. are being and have been watched since the first post! This country is going down the tubes faster than the water going into New Orleans. This administration in total should be locked up now, without a trial (do you think they would give us one). Hell no, they would lock us up in Gitmo. Bushie is without a doubt the most ignorant fucking idiot I have ever known to be in public office, and he should indeed be IMPEACHED along with the rest of his "partners in crime". I await the knock on my door just like the rest of you....

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Anti-Bush Poster Child
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Posted by: sisyphus.lives on Oct 7, 2005 7:47 AM   
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Did the student get back the poster?

Perhaps it can be donated to AlterNet who can have it made into a T-shirt. The poster on the front and some creative wording on the back.

We are doomed by our own government stupidity.

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The President is Insane!!!!
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Posted by: stoney13 on Oct 7, 2005 7:59 AM   
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Of course he's crazy!! You'ld have to be a lunatic to want the job!!

What do you expect to get!!! Think about it!!! We can't have lunatics running the country!!!! (That's what you think!!)

By the simple act of running for the office, you have proven that you are unqualified to fill it!!

Nuts are paranoid!! That's part of what makes them... well...nuts!!!

Paranoid people are likley to make knee-jerk actions regardless of the rationale that such actions will cause more problems than they solve!! (Like... WELL... IRAQ!!!)

Who's next? Another f**kin' nut!!! Bet the farm on it!!!!!!!

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Surprised...Why Should We Be..It's Bush
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Posted by: doneman2000 on Oct 7, 2005 8:07 AM   
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this country, since Bush was selected, has traveled down a road of secrecy coupled with dishonesty. Granted, with Bushs vast propagnda network it is sometimes difficult to know just what the truth is. Quite possibly Bush doesn't even know what the truth is...My God has there ever been a president as unenlightened or as uncaring as Blue Blood Bush. I certainly doubt it. With terrorists behind every corner we have time to investigate chit like this or busting medical marijauna patients. Yep gotta go after those harden criminals, right George?

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a contrarian view
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Posted by: pturet on Oct 7, 2005 8:16 AM   
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I for one don't really think this merits all the hoo-hah. A picture of anyone with a red thumbtack on their forehead is not really a cogent political statement. I mean, where's the reasoned analysis? I hold no brief for Bush, believe me, far from it. But in this day and age, the reactions of Wal-Mart (would the story be different if it were Walgreen's?) and the Secret Service don't seem out of line. After all, they let the kid go. Let's hope they didn't open a dossier on him a la J. Edgar Hoover.

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Actually
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Oct 7, 2005 8:49 AM   
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On second thought,
Yes, it is ridiculous what the retarded Wal-Mart employee did.
But the Secret Service?
Shouldn't they be a tad more sophisticated?
Cheesh!

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Bush's World
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Posted by: packofwolves on Oct 7, 2005 8:49 AM   
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And you thought Bush was trying to spread democracy throughout this world. Ha! He's taking away our freedoms at every opporturnity and he's using terrorist-style fear tactics and the wrath of God to keep your attention focused elsewhere. Wake up country, you could be next! Bush wants to be the dictator, or didn't you hear that speech?

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Wal Mart invalids and the government
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Posted by: mortarthegovernment on Oct 7, 2005 8:56 AM   
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Morons working together to protect America. The sad thing here is, that the Wal Mart worker probably thinks they are doing the right thing and believes in Bush. I guess lying to people and building up their "patriotism" is the key to getting things done. "When ignorance reigns life is lost." Canada, Baby!

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SS in school
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Posted by: cyclone on Oct 7, 2005 9:09 AM   
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Only in today's America. Another case of well spent money and manpower. Unfrickin believable.

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See where we are, where we're headed
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Posted by: helenwheels on Oct 7, 2005 9:29 AM   
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Everyone should read
the 14 warning signs of fascism

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Orwell turning in his grave
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Posted by: canuckistani on Oct 7, 2005 9:30 AM   
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well people, its time to brush off those old dusty copies of 1984. Might as well start reading up and figuring out how to stay off the grid, its likely to get worse.

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Everyone should send a picture like the students to G.W. and Walmart
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Posted by: shojimon on Oct 7, 2005 9:39 AM   
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says it all. Shojimon in Portland OR.

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A similar SS foray
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Posted by: jwg on Oct 7, 2005 10:11 AM   
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Last year in Boulder CO, probably one of the bluest of blue blood locations, a high-school was interupted by a visit from the SS. It seems for a talent show, a group of kids encouraged by a teacher were going to play protest songs from the sixtys. Wonder how many more similar instances did not make it to the nightly news?

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BOO!! Ya'll
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Oct 7, 2005 10:21 AM   
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Travel with me, now, into the bygone days of yore called the Sixties when there was another Little Emperor of America who called himself Richard Nixon. Ah! Those were Great Days for Republicans! You could get life in prison in Texas (of course, where else?) for possesing ONE marijuana seed! I got myself on the Most Honored House of UnAmerican Activities Committee list for writing Anti-Vietnam war articles for college underground papers. But, people, this is nothing new in America. I knew people that were arrested for throwing a gum wrapper out of a car and charged with drug charges. There's never been any freedom of speech or justice in this country. Freedom of speech comes with a 10,000 dollar contribution to the Candidate of your chose. Justice costs 100,000 dollars. Hey, wake up, ya'll, the Gestapo's been here for a long, long time. What you need to ask yourselves is 1)How did you fail to notice and 2) What ya gonna do?
From experience, I can tell you how to deal with the FBI. If they arrest you and come to interview you, here's what to do. 1)Bum a cigerrette off them, then 2) Tell them two things...
jack and shit. And Jack just left town. Got to grow a pair, Americans. You pay their salary. The Revolution will not be Televised.

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Welcome to the New America
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Posted by: Guy on Oct 7, 2005 10:26 AM   
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Well, Conservatives, is this what you want? Is this how you envision "freedom," the same freedom you say we are trying to export to Iraq? I know there are a lot of good, honest, well-meaning Conservatives out there. Ask yourselves this: Is this what you wanted when you voted for GWB?

Guy

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god
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Posted by: god on Oct 7, 2005 10:36 AM   
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just one more example as to how the republicans love to act just like hittler.they take away your freedom of thought,your right not to believe in god ,your right to die when you want,your right to aboretion and on and on and on.

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Timeline for a Psychotic Nation
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Posted by: Spyder on Oct 7, 2005 10:41 AM   
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Wal-Mart is just one of the last elements in the Corporate Coup of Amerika. We have been pushing our culture in this direction for many years. First we were the country that built things. Then we were the country that developed things. Then we were the country of mergers and acquisitions. Then we became the consumer culture. Then we became Amerika!

http://www.e-tabitha.com/timeline.htm

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Back to School
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Posted by: patsy6 on Oct 7, 2005 10:42 AM   
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Sounds like the Wal Mart employee and the Secret Service need to go back to high school. Apparently they flunked Social Studies.

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huh!
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Posted by: karyse on Oct 7, 2005 10:43 AM   
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the post by Gonzo is correct -- the tactics have been with us a long time and say jack and shit.

The difference is the higher degree of secrecy and support for secrecy, and also that Bush and cronies get away with it easier because "stupidity," "idiocy," and "moronic" behavior, is treated differently than actions with intent. Nixon was never presumed to be stupid. Nor was Hoover. At some point we have to ask if looking like an idiot is just an act in order to do whatever you want -- unhindered. Regan showed them how to do it.

Cointelpro -- look it up. I'm beginning to think that it has something to do with being American -- what in our ideology (and the ideology of Europeans and their descendants) makes us so blind?

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Here's what to do, folks! (I'm serious; let's do it!)
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Oct 7, 2005 11:25 AM   
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(I got the following great suggestion from a friend in Ohio, to whom I e-mailed this story)

Here's what to do: Everybody on this blog get a head shot of the Prez, put a red thumbtack throught his head, with a hand and index finger indicating "BRAIN DEAD BUT STILL DANGEROUS~!" Take this to Wal-Mart in the same way the kid did, and let the party start!

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Another example - Haliburton in Australia
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Posted by: canuckistani on Oct 7, 2005 11:46 AM   
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just came across this:

Dissent isn't taken lightly Down Under

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A nation of snoops
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Oct 7, 2005 12:16 PM   
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This case is a perfect example of someone who didn't mind their own business. Has that Wal-Mart ever been to an anti-war rally? Heavens, anti-Bush posters abound and how come that employee didn't bother calling the cops THEN? What an idiot.
Anyway, heaven help us next time when a student is assigned to do a class project such as that one. You can't criticize "President" Bush, our Fuehrer, can't speak out in class, my goodness kids are getting an education all right, an exercise in censorship AND the lack of a freedom of speech.
We snoop on students, cameras are everywhere and we wonder why people are tense. We're all afraid of each other and Bush is one reason.

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Sprawl-Mart spies
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Posted by: originalbranek on Oct 7, 2005 1:53 PM   
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If the rest of you weren't convinced to stop shopping there before ,I hope you are now.And in case anyone is wondering where to get those questionable photos printed without looky-loos, try your local adult toy store. Some places have photo printing that is "no look,no tell".

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Freedom, eh? Democracy???
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Posted by: chasaturn on Oct 7, 2005 2:40 PM   
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Open message: I'll say what I think. I'll proudly stand up and speak out against your attempts to enslave through fear. Come to my door and I'll piss on you. I take enough diuretics that it should be easy.
The thing which injects a chill into this poster story is the fact that the SS went into the teacher's (and student's) room and STOLE the artwork. THAT's the part that gets me going. What arrogance!

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What do you really expect?
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Posted by: bobb8888 on Oct 7, 2005 3:06 PM   
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Walmart is pro-Dubya. I don't like Bush. Having said that I still think it's pretty stupid not to expect this type of thing to be investigated. An awful lot of presidents have had people take shots at them over the years. What happens if it's not investigated and he gets shot? It would be like "Well the signs were there. Why didn't anybody pay attention?"

In other words, "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"

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walmart 1984
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Posted by: chuck142 on Oct 7, 2005 3:07 PM   
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Big brother is alive and well at walmart. God help us all.

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Liberal pansies love Wal-Mart
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Posted by: poonoggin on Oct 7, 2005 4:18 PM   
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Liberal! Hah! You all MUST shop at Wal-Mart because your ideas are so cheap and baseless and without direction or merit. Whatever evil Wal-Mart represents you can't offer and alternative to the Bush/Neocon/Evangelical/Corporate revolution. Not one of you, not one Liberal, is worth a damn.

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Posted by: kattmann on Oct 7, 2005 4:27 PM   
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It appears that the NEO-NAZI's are alive and well in Wash DC
with branch offices in Wal-Marts nation wide. It's time for a national boycott of all Wal-Marts, at least the photo depts. Wally world needs a civics lesson big-time.

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welcome to wally-world
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Posted by: kablooie on Oct 7, 2005 5:00 PM   
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Since Wal-Mart was invented in my home state (Arkansas) I can attest to its insidious effects. I grew up in Arkansas and it used to be an okay place...but the Wal-Mart-ization took hold in a big way and one day I woke up and found myself surrounded by grossly overweight, loud and obnoxious, gun-worshipping redneck white people whose brains seemed to have shrivelled into tiny pellets.

Now that I no longer live in Arkansas, I see the Wal-Mart mentality in the darndest places. Maybe the Secret Service goon-squads trained as Wal-Mart greeters before moving on to bigger and better things, like terrorizing and harassing honor students.

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Pass of Fail
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Posted by: Cy Nicks on Oct 7, 2005 8:39 PM   
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I wonder if he got a passing grade on the project? His picture obviously failed "to illustrate their rights in the Bill of Rights".

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The Secret Serive=My New Best Friends : ) (I had to splitt this into 2 comments..this is part 2)
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Posted by: itsme101 on Oct 7, 2005 9:11 PM   
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Hey everybody..this is the kid that this article is about..and no I'm an not lying, it's really me. I'm a Senior out of Currituck County High School, in Currituck County, North Carolina. I'm 17 years old and have not on bad thing to my name. Ever since my freshman year, I've seen these Bill of Rights projects hanging on the walls in the halls of my school. When I finally became a senior I was actually kind of excited to do it, because I'd get to use my creativity to show my perception of our freedoms. But then Wal Mart had to go and spoil everyones fun. I showed back up at Wal Mart after an hour to pick up my photos, when I get there, there are 2 employees behind the counter scrutinizing someones photos. After waiting about 10 mins. when it should have only taken about 3..the employees start glancing over at me, and then one gets on the walkie talkie and then another employee shows up..I go up to the counter and make sure it is clear that the photos were for nothing more than a school project. They finally give me my pictures, and then I'm on my way. The next day at school, I present my project in front of my class and everything is fine, my teacher, Mrs. Jarvis seemed to really enjoy it. But then I get to my 3rd bell class and I'm called to the office. I walk in and there are 3 police officers waiting for me, one of them being the officer I took 2 of the pictures for the project with. I go into the Vice Principal's office where I talk to the 3 officers and the VP. I simply told them that the photos were nothing more than for the project, which pretty much all of them were pretty familiar with in the first place. And then one of the officers says that things were now in the hands of the Secret Service, I really had no clue what to say to that, but I simply laughed out of non-belief and said "Are you kidding me?" So the VP says to the officers "If we go get the poster and show yall that it was just for a project will it prove this was nothing more than what it was made to be?" So the VP and I walk to my class and get my poster, and we also try to look for my teacher, but she was no where to be found at the time. We brought the poster back to the officers and the took it so they could show their higher up. Then I'm pretty much sent on my way back to class. At my school, our day consists of 4 bells, I however don't have a 4th bell so I'm free to leave after 3rd bell.

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The Secret Serive=My New Best Friends : ) (this is really part 2..the first one was part 1)
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Posted by: itsme101 on Oct 7, 2005 9:13 PM   
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Well, after 3rd bell let out and 4th began, I went to my teachers class and said, "Um, has the VP come and talk to you yet?" She said, "No, Why?" I replied in a way to make it a little humerous and said, "Because,my poster was just confiscated by the Secret Service!" The class had a little chuckle and Mrs. Jarvis pretty much thought I was joking, but then after a few mins. I convinced her that it was no joke. Later that afternoon, I was at home by myself, because my parents were on their way home from Pennsylvania, and 2 men show up at my door. I opened it and they flashed me their badges and said who they were and if the could speak with me. I said no, because I really didn't feel comfortable talking to them w/o my parents present, so I told them to come back later. Later on that evening, the show up again, my parents are home now, and we sit down and chat for about an hour. They had my poster and copies of my pictures, which I don't think they had a warrent to receive copies of, which works in my favor, and they began asking me basic questions along w/ some stupid ass questions. After about an hour of that, everything was settled and they were on their way back to Raleigh.

That's pretty much the whole story..and for sisyphus.lives , no I did not get my poster back, I haven't seen it since the SS left my home. But now here I am, looking for everything on the net I'm mentioned in, and I came across this site and saw ppl could comment on it, so I thought I would comment and let everyone know the real story straight from my finger tips. This just shows how, to our gov't, a 17 year old from rural NC, is way more threatening to the President, than anything else in this world, and that we obviously don't have more important things to worry about.

Thank you to those who support this, and may I suggest, never go to Wal Mart.

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WalMart & the Brownshirts?
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Posted by: Entropy on Oct 8, 2005 2:23 AM   
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The point of the article should actually be that over-zealous informants of this type are taken absolutely seriously.

When people can raise a complaint of this nature, who gets investigated?

Like it or not, this has in some measure been the function of the SS (secret service). So long as all they did was investigate, I don't know if its over-the-top to investigate, but it comes down to how it was handled & whether it was done in a manner intended to intimidate.

Did the WalMart employee receive a reprimand?
There is no stated consequence to a frivolous complaint – is that an oversight, or deliberate?

I would like to see the poster in question. What happened to it?

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The Police State Is Closer Than You Think
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Posted by: Strephon on Oct 8, 2005 4:01 AM   
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See the full article at
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7556

"Police states are easier to acquire than Americans appreciate.

The hysterical aftermath of September 11 has put into place the main components of a police state.

Habeas corpus is the greatest protection Americans have against a police state. Habeas corpus ensures that Americans can only be detained by law. They must be charged with offenses, given access to attorneys, and brought to trial. Habeas corpus prevents the despotic practice of picking up a person and holding him indefinitely.

President Bush claims the power to set aside habeas corpus and to dispense with warrants for arrest and with procedures that guarantee court appearance and trial without undue delay. Today in the US, the executive branch claims the power to arrest a citizen on its own initiative and hold the citizen indefinitely. Thus, Americans are no longer protected from arbitrary arrest and indefinite detention."

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HAHAHAHA (To the above statements about me being the kid!)
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Posted by: itsme101 on Oct 8, 2005 8:01 AM   
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I can't believe that yall fell for it..this isn't the same kid! What are the chances of the same person finding this website and telling you exactly what happened?? How gullable can ppl be these days? I posted this to see how many of yall would actally believe me..but yeah, this def. isn't the kid so if anyone quotes this bull shit than um, haha, sucks for you, because that is called "false information"..

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What About Pat Robertson?
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Posted by: mschuth on Oct 8, 2005 8:01 AM   
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So this student is attacked for completing an assignment on Civics and yet the likes of Pat Robertson can go to the airwaves and print media and demand the killing of people in the name of his God and everyone just treats him like a petulant child. Wake up people! Whay hasn't this loony been put away or censored by the 'authorities'?
Here in ATL a woman was arrested after being turned into police for taking a picture of her husband and infant bathing together.
And wouldn't it be a better world if Wal-Mart went under!

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Walmart Stinks
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Posted by: Tennessee on Oct 9, 2005 7:21 AM   
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I have had WalMart refuse to sell me reprints of photos becaue they did not believe I took them, that they were professional.

None of these have displayed the name of a photo studio so how can the refuse service?

It is not some $5.50 per hour bozos business who took the photo. NOBODY has a right to have a copywrite on my face or the face of my children but me.

There are photo services on the internet that cost 1/3 what Wal(China)Mart does so they will never see my business again. I'll stick to Target or K-Mart.

BOYCOT WALMART NOW!

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Stop shopping at Walmart...
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Posted by: gmmonko on Oct 9, 2005 3:48 PM   
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Walmart errodes your economy by pressing suppliers to move to China. 60 % of Walmarts merchandise is special cheaply made stuff for America. Plastic and poisonous textiles.
Walmarts policy against it's employees is a very well known fact.

Their shops are an eyesore for every city.

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Evening Rain
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Posted by: rain on Oct 9, 2005 8:12 PM   
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Am I shocked? No - it seems that the Secret Service has already hassled several young people for wearing t-shirts or as in this case, exercising their right to free speech.
If the Secret Service spent less time on this - harassing students and more time trying to generate information to help get some "real" terrorists maybe then we'd have some chance of getting Bin Laden. What a joke that is! That was what this war started on - get Bin Laden - and he's still walking around a free man. Granted the Secret Service are there to protect the President, but come on! From students doing a legtimate class project? I guess the students have found out first-hand what the real truth is about our country today - there is no free speech unless you're spewing their propaganda! It's outrageous that secret service agents are hassling school kids and teachers over something like this.

This administration has done one thing after another to erode our rights under the US Constitution. In some states warrants are no longer needed to evade someone's home - they can listen in on our phone conversations, read our email (and probably our mail too). The signers of the Constitution of the US must be rolling over in their graves!

And Walmart? They probably get kick-backs for turning people in. How outrageous - so boycott Walmart period. They have a lousy record too.

Unless we all support this President and his henchmen we are all in danger. If we speak out against him - he can send his henchmen after us. There is no free America anymore and what is so damn disgusting, is that the President used terrorism as an excuse to send our men and women, sons and daughters, husbands and wives to war under the guise of protecting us and American's freedom! We need protection from the President and his cronies!
I know I am outraged by this and I think anyone reading of this attack on the civil rights of individuals should be as well. But the conservative Christian right loves this stuff - so they can force down our throats their belief in how we all should believe in God.

God help America - and all the men and women who died in the name of freedom! He could care less about our war dead. All he cares about is his power - his oil revenues, his buddies and his ego.

Will we survive this man's remaining term in office? Not at the rate we are headed for now!

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Write the Secret Service
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Posted by: cbergy21 on Oct 10, 2005 12:01 AM   
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Well, im a student in High School, and just to be a jackass, i wrote the Sevret Service, from their website, secretservice.gov. I told them what i thought about the whole thing, and told them the hours i would be in school, and also said, "From what i know, you like to target people like me, so i know you will be coming, i will be waiting."

Lets see if they come after me now. If you dont hear from me, they came, otherwise i will write updates.

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H. Clinton Walmart board
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Posted by: plantland on Oct 10, 2005 10:11 AM   
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Hilary Clinton used to be on Walmart's board. (it is based in Arkansas).

Is she still on the board, or did she perceive it as a liability long ago and step down?

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Posted by: libertydream on Oct 10, 2005 10:30 AM   
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I wish we could get a copy of the student's project and make a zillion posters to put up everywhere with a note to "come and get us all."

On a more logical note, it occurs to me that in the photograph of the project, the red tack undoubtedly looked like a bullet hole. I don't think that's what the student intended, but at least it would make the SS's involvement a little less egregious.

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Investigation of Student Reeks of Fascism
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Posted by: thomas r arnold on Oct 10, 2005 12:01 PM   
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Ja! Here in Amerika at last ve are in ze fourth reich. Heil Bush under Gott! Freedom of Speech is . . . Freedom of Speech. To investigate this high school student reeks of fascist dictatorship. Our republicanazis have gotten well out of hand in this country with their lying, cheating, stealing elections, stealing our surplus, and rumors of much worse behavior (like a certain murder in Florida). I have no doubts that these greedy, self-serving people are completely evil. I don't care if they are nice to their house pets and their servants. Their actions tell me all I need to know about them. I believe the republicanazis are the greatest threat that my country has ever faced.

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YOU TALK TO MUCH!
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Posted by: v001 on Oct 10, 2005 3:56 PM   
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Blah blah blah! Do your home work, your own research, form your own opinion, find out what you can do, then do it!

Enough ranting! Theres work to do people!

Dig deeper!...scratch beneath the surface! This is all still just the same old same old going around and around.

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ridiculous?
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Posted by: osisbs on Oct 11, 2005 10:11 AM   
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Yeah, you'll think it's all a big joke when you're getting a flashlight enema in Gitmo. Please do not offend our semi-elected commander in chief.

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lambchops
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Posted by: lambchops on Oct 12, 2005 6:44 AM   
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My thoughts exactly when DARE was taught to my children in grade school. I did not allow them to be my children's consciences though. I had to argue with my children every step of the way using logic and pointing out the intolerance and cruelty that they were being taught to use toward those who were addicted. My children did finally start to think critically for their selves and told me that they spoke out in their DARE classes about the points that I had shared with them. I believed then and I know now that we must use all we have to convince our children of the real way to live life. Just like DARE's message that they give to parents about standing their ground with a child that is doing drugs, we must stand our ground against those whose only aim is to subvert our children's minds.

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What happened to the First Amendment?
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Posted by: Bulldog0 on Oct 13, 2005 9:40 AM   
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This is unbelievable and utterly outrageous! George Bush has squelched the U.S. Constitution (under the Patriot Act) and all rights that Americans deserve and are supposedly guaranteed under it (the Constitution) and the Bill of Rights. How dare he???

The United States Secret Service is no better than the KGB or Hitler's SS!

This story has to be told to as many people as possible and America needs to regain control of our government. Bush is destroying it daily. The world used to look upon the United States as a gentle and loving country - always there to help the underprivileged. Now we are depicted as thugs, warmongers, and terrorists. I am sickened at what Bush has done to this nation!

Look what he has done so far - allowing 9-11 to happen; taking us into an illegal war based on lies; creating an enormous debt (after Clinton/Gore created a record breaking budget surplus); kow-towing to the Far Right Extremists; giving the super-rich tax breaks when the nation is in debt, but at the same time allowing Katrina and Rita victims to fend for themselves. Now he (Bush) is threatening to veto a bill that will allow him to torture prisoners even though the Senate voted to adhere to the Geneva Convention and disallow torture. Bush loves the power that he has. He is a maniac! The list goes on and on. Maybe it is time to invoke the 25th Amendment (that the president is mentally unfit to lead the nation).

Kudos to the young lad mentioned in this article. Bush and his gang of thugs and bullies should be condemned. The United States of America is too great a country to condone such behavior!

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the new malwart
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Posted by: take pills on Oct 14, 2005 2:06 AM   
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you think walmart is bad check out who owns your so-called organic foods
http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/corporate_organic.cfm

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Posted by: take pills on Oct 14, 2005 2:12 AM   
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I can't wait to grow up, join the secret service, and pick on high school kids! That way I'll feel so good about all that training.... uh, what were you saying to morpheus (Agent smith says to me while putting my earpiece back in) , he doesn't know (other agent smith says to other other agent smith)...

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Posted by: take pills on Oct 14, 2005 2:21 AM   
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Umm wal mart, "corporatism" and reptilian nature.

reptilian royal bloodlines intro

it's the nature of cold blooded species not that they don't have conscious, they are just more prone to hierarchical structures (more insecure).

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Posted by: mjmonte on Oct 15, 2005 11:39 AM   
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Boycott Walmart!

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I Don't Buy It
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Posted by: I Don't Buy It on Oct 15, 2005 1:50 PM   
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I Don't Buy It... reported to police, maybe. Secret Service taking the poster, doubt it.

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POOR MISGUIDED YOUTH
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Posted by: johininsapporo on Oct 15, 2005 6:04 PM   
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I was happy to see that a Walmart employee took responsibility in calling in the police so that this poor, misguided youth can be corrected. If this kind of dissention were allowed to increase unhindered, we would lose the freedom that we have been working hard to attain. The young man is not to blame, he is suffering from delusions. Luckily, there are psychiatrists to help this kind of person. After all, providing this kind of help is the tradition of psychiatry. It was used very effectively to help those misguided individuals who had delusions about the Soviet regime and the Nazi's before it. Let's just hope the psychiatrists didn't get there too late. That's the only problem they face - when the disease has progressed beyond the capacity to cure it.

So, please, all you public spirited people, whenever you see someone turning even slightly away from the straight and narrow, do your bit and inform the authorities, leave it to the professionals to help these people recover from the deadly disease of dissention. Even now, they are training more psychiatrists and building new psychiatric hospitals to care for poor misguided youths like the one mentioned in your article.

And a good thing too.

Support the psychologists and psychiatrists in our schools and society.

They too are working for the cause of Freedom.

John Davis

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It's model is...
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Posted by: beeboys on Oct 16, 2005 5:09 AM   
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is it the KGB or the Gestapo that has become the model for the new Secret Service? This incident sure is reminiscent of stories we heard about life in Communist or Nazi states--neighbors turning in neighbors...

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Dr. Yaw Ackah, University professor
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Posted by: yackah on Oct 21, 2005 6:59 AM   
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How can we teach our kids about the First Amendment Rights if we treat them this way? All the participants displayed extremely bad judgment from the overzealous Wal-Mart worker (what was she thinking?), to the police officer who could not determine the difference between a school project and a "suspicious" document, to the equally incompetent Secret Service officers who wasted the tax payer's money to follow up on such a stupid case. What do we expect the world to think if this is happening in America?

I respect the teacher who defended her student. I teach Criminal Justice and I could have given a similar assignment. In the university we teach our students to develop independent thinking. It appears we have to stop doing it now, or do we have to....?

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Every thing is under control
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Posted by: surfreality on Oct 21, 2005 10:28 AM   
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Keep shopping.

Don't ask questions.

Orange Alert.

Everything is under control.

Keep shopping.

Don't ask questions.

Orange alert.

Everything is under control.

"It can't happen here."
Frank Zappa

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Posted by: dondowski on Oct 23, 2005 7:29 AM   
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I don't care which elected official it was whether it was Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Carter if someone uses the president of the United States in a demeaning way he will have that visit from the Secret Service. If you tell a policeman you are going to kill the president he will hold you for the Secret Service. When you threaten any legitimate head of any country you will be arrested, I don't care if your the poorest or the richest man. Of course, in some countries they will come to your house and drag you out in the street and KILL YOU right on the spot.
I know this is a demo party website, but I am neither a democrat or republican, because I have learned they all lie to get elected and then only do what they want to do.
We ought to elect laymen instead of judges and lawyers the country would be so much better off than it is now!!!!!!!!!!

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Verification
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Posted by: alternetleslie on Oct 26, 2005 9:03 AM   
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We have to be careful of propaganda from both the conservatives and the progressives. So how do we verify this story? By the way, the P.R. industry lobbyists are gutting the Truth in Broadcasting Act (S. 967) so that if one second of a pre-packaged government press release is not included, the source does not have to be acknowledged. Get busy and call your senators www.senate.gov and your representative www.house.gov to get mandatory source disclosure restored. In a democracy we need to know the source to judge credibility.

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Posted by: alternetleslie on Oct 26, 2005 9:05 AM   
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We have to be careful of propaganda from both the conservatives and the progressives. So how do we verify this story? By the way, the P.R. industry lobbyists are gutting the Truth in Broadcasting Act (S. 967) so that if one second of a pre-packaged government press release is not included, the source does not have to be acknowledged. Get busy and call your senators www.senate.gov and your representative www.house.gov to get mandatory source disclosure restored. In a democracy we need to know the source to judge credibility.

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Just out of curiosity
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Posted by: hankhill17 on Oct 31, 2005 9:29 AM   
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Has anyone seen any reference to this in the "paper of record" or any other major news source? I can't find anything other than this article and references to this article. Honest truth, I have a problem giving this any sort of credence until the NYT, the Washington Post, or some otther major news organization verfies it and prints it.

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bush is a idiot
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Posted by: codemeister on Dec 5, 2005 8:45 AM   
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he controls the secret service and tries to crush anyone who disagrees with him, so he sent his "secret" service to get this little kid. I can't believe he got elected in the first place but whatever. The kid is a good kid and they went against the law when he took down the poster and took all the other posters.
It's just sad

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Posted by: KeKeR on Jun 8, 2006 12:59 PM   
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See, Wal-Mart has their priorities all mixed up. I used to work at their photo lab and one time we had some pictures come in that could very easily have been classified as child-pornography. We turned them in to the manager and to this day (almost 3 years later) nothing was ever done about it. He said there wan't enough evidence in the photos to call the police. But I think a naked pre-teen girl posing on a couch is child-porn

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CIVICS 101
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Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 7, 2005 12:16 AM   
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Here this student was trying to illustrate his right to free expression and instead he illustrated that he does not have that right any more. A+ on the high school civics assignment, kid. Wait until his parents get back and ask him what he learned at school!

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Posted by: sovinformburo on Oct 7, 2005 12:42 AM   
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Spreading freedom and democracy...... sounds like a stalker talking about "relationships"

Hey wake up! The world ain't buying it any longer.

The USA is no longer the solution. It has become the problem.

It's choking on ......freedom fries ! Yeah, man, pass me that bong for another hit

Incredible.

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It is forbidden to criticize our Dear Leader!
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Posted by: Strephon on Oct 7, 2005 1:41 AM   
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Anyone still want to argue that the USA is not rapidly becoming a fascist state?

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Posted by: adp3d on Oct 7, 2005 3:28 AM   
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I guess its time to start calling them "The Secret Police"...

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civics 101
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Posted by: walldodger69 on Oct 7, 2005 4:34 AM   
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This is geting down right F%$king UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

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Posted by: Just Me on Oct 7, 2005 4:43 AM   
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I cannot believe that a Wal-Mart employee turned him in. Wal-Mart has enough problems and if someone thought this was going to improve their image they were incorrect.

Someone objected to this poster, but these same people didn't object when newspapers were running the old-West style poster of Osama Bin Laden (Wanted Dead or Alive) in support of what Bush said.

Talk about double standards. We want to import our brand of humanity to the rest of the world by force, but our brand of humanity stinks.

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Ridiculous, Indeed
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 7, 2005 4:53 AM   
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Walmart, Walmart, Uber Alles...Well for the love of Mitch Miller, what the hell's the matter with these people?? The whole thing is so mind numbingly stupid that one hardly knows what to say! I can't believe that, given the enormity of their responsibilty that the SS, er, Secret Service has this much time on his hands. I've written alot of negative things on the internet and in the various papers that are not complementary of George W. Bush - I mean, let's face it, there's not a hell of alot to be complementary about. That's not to mention several call ins on CSPAN's Washington Journal. Does this mean the Secret Service is investigating me? Let me save them a little bit of work. As Dick Gregory once said when he found out that the Feds were tapping his telephone, "I ain't into nothin'"! Assasins, if we are to believe history tend to be, shall we say, "rightwar leaning"? Most of the martyrs of the twentieth century - Dr. King, Malcom X, John Lennon - tended to be progressive in their thinking. Think about it! Who was the Right's last martyr? George Lincoln Rockwell! 1964!! (And a fine man he was - GAG!) I pray everyday for the safety of President Bush. I am against murder in every form. Period. And, let's face it, the last thing the Right needs is their own Bobby Kennedy. That would be too much to bear.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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VE KNOW VERE U LIF!!
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Posted by: jrmart66 on Oct 7, 2005 5:19 AM   
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And does anyone subscribed to this site think that they are NOT on some ss list? i fully expect to soon be denied my right to fly.

Hey, MOVE ON people, bloggers, do you feel "watched"??

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Posted by: MDLOP8 on Oct 7, 2005 5:27 AM   
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George: so your Secret Service comes to investigate a kid who puts up a poster of you? Hey, moron, isn't this why you REALLY invaded Iraq? Because Saddam had a mosaic of your father on the floor of one of his palaces so that people could walk on it?

So: the Secret Service is going to investigate people who dislike you and express it? You'd better plan on arresting 70% of the country who are fed up with your lies and deceptions over the way that you're handling our foreign affairs, let alone matters at home.

By the way, you STILL will be known as an incompetent leader too.

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Posted by: Erin on Oct 7, 2005 5:31 AM   
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Does anyone else see the parallel here with what happened in Nazi Germany, where neighbors, friends, even relatives turned in each other? And, yes, I believe that the SS have got all of us from this website (and anyone else expressing their freedom of speech) on their watch list.

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Why would any democrat be foolish enough to run for president in 2008?
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Oct 7, 2005 5:50 AM   
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Why would any democrat be foolish enough to run for president in 2008?


After a decade of republicans running congress and five years of Bush Corp., there’s nothing left to steal. Sure, democrats could keep printing funny money until it takes a SUV loaded to the roof to buy a loaf of bread, but the consequences of all the incompetence and corruption are likely to cause economic collapse even before Bush retires to somewhere safe, like the Bahamas. The next president will inherit a quagmire and be faced with nearly insurmountable problems and extremely limited options. Borrowing your way back to solvency doesn’t work for the average family and isn’t likely to work for a nation, not one that wishes to remain sovereign. Increasing the tax rate on the rich to 90% might help, but at this point, even that wouldn’t solve our debt problems.

We are so close to an even Greater Depression, it might be wiser for democrats to sit out the next presidential election and let a modern day Hoover take the brunt of the people’s rage. Now, even more than then, the political fallout could have dire and long lasting political consequences for the party the people decide to blame. Better to let the republicans reap what they have sown.

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Posted by: seefleur on Oct 7, 2005 6:01 AM   
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So this is just an example of the real definition of "Homeland Security" - thanks to the "Patriot" Act, we've become a fascist nation under God... sad and terrifying. Talk is cheap - we need to DO, not discuss. Where are the leaders who can get this country back to what the Founding Fathers intended??? This can't continue - our children deserve better than this! We, the people, deserve better than this.

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Good example of Wal-Mart culture
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Posted by: sausage on Oct 7, 2005 6:14 AM   
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This story give me another reason for not shopping at Wal-Mart. I know it's like whipping the sea to get the tides to stop, but I haven't stepped foot in a Wal-Mart since 2001.

The tragedy of Wal-Mart culture is that it appeals to the lower middle class, working folks whose incomes are bearly above the "official" poverty line. Not only do these folks shop there, they work there and I think we've all read about Wal-Mart's low, low wages. For me, a trip to Wal-Mart is like going into an elitist SS owned business staffed by working-class SA Brownshirts.

Now don't go overboard, I realize not all Wal-Mart employees have bought into the corporate culture. But many do and remain loyal to the company, until they themselves are screwed by management. Wal-Mart is George Bush's Amerika. It is our futrue if we don't do something now.

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So who is to blame? What was the correct response?
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 7, 2005 7:01 AM   
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Our tax dollars going to pay to fly spooks into suburbia to check on a kid in civics class--that's goofy. Really goofy.

Who was to blame and what should've been done differently? The Wal-Mart photo person, who has been hammered with "If something looks wrong, SPEAK UP", the supervisor, who would tell you he's just doing his job, or the store supervisor, who turned it over to the local authorities?

I would place the blame for the goof on the sheriff, an elected law enforcement officer who is supposed to serve as a buffer between the citizens under his jurisdiction and the spooks from the fed. A sheriff, under our government, enjoys specific responsibilities and has special authorities outside of the executive branch that most folks don't really understand or appreciate...

...and the sheriff punted by taking what he or she probably considered the "prudent"--better safe than sorry--route of forwarding the information to the spooks.

So the spooks took your tax dollars, bought a plane ticket to suburbia, investigated (that's their job), realized there wasn't a threat, and left.

Again, a decent sheriff would have put the brakes on the whole thing well in advance. That there are some gullible idiots (gullible no doubt, but the line between an idiot and a prudent individual is arguably blurred in this instance) working for WallyWorld shouldn't be surprising--isn't WallyCo the largest employer in the U.S.?

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Posted by: GirlCousin on Oct 7, 2005 7:20 AM   
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The Bush regieme and fans had better realize that when someone as crooked as George Bush is elected, lies his way into a war for profit, and undercuts the entire social welfare system in this country, he had better be happy that all that is happening is non-violent dissent. Walmart also should realize that too many incidents like this may encourage more people to boycott them. I haven't bought anything there for over a year and am weaning the rest of my family off of them. My 80 year old mother drives to the next town to shop rather than go to Walmart

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Suspicous art, Wal Mart, and the police state.
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Posted by: Aaron on Oct 7, 2005 7:20 AM   
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Secret service and Wal Mart lackeys alike, I eagerly await your arrival. Contact me at citizensubject.com. Kisses.

suspicious art

Wal Mart

police state

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The Bush Legacy continues...
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Posted by: MTguy on Oct 7, 2005 7:21 AM   
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This is right up there with the totally random airport searches where an 80 year old granny is virtually strip searched. I am sort of surprised that they didn't catch that poster in the Patriot Act web of intrigue!

I hate to say it but I, for one, am no longer proud to be an American citizen. I'm ashamed for the level that Bush and his administration have let our nation fall to. Where are the days when the USA did the right thing even when it was the most difficult thing to do given all the options? For at least three years out, the horizon is pretty dark.

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HIGHER EXPECTATIONS WEEK
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Posted by: American Maid on Oct 7, 2005 7:31 AM   
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One way to combat this ridiculous state of affairs is to join "Higher Expectations Week" now against Wal-Mart which includes screening the new film by Robert Greenwald, "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price" next month (November 13-19).

http://walmartwatch.com
http://www.walmartmovie.com

Get a copy of the movie and have a popcorn party (or several) at your place with all your friends, neighbors, co-workers, family and then have them show the film to their circles.

Wal-Mart is behind a lot of things going on in this Neo-Con world including repeal of the Estate Tax; attacks on Public Education (and their unions) with pushes for charter schools and government funded vouchers for religious (read Christian) schools; lower taxes for the rich; Terry Shiavo fiasco; right to work; Heritage Foundation (among others); repeal of workers' rights and protections; the overtime law; and many, many others.

How the Waltons spend $100 BILLION

The transportation bill just passed allocates like 37 million to build Wal-Mart headquarters in Arkansas a new access road. Do they really need our money?

Think Wal-Mart spent a lot on Katrina? Something they should have done anyway and with their attack on the government just part of why essential services are so bad these days... But it is nothing compared to what they spend on lobbying the government, including for laws to rollback tough state Meth laws, and at 3.7 million a day, everyday, on PR Katrina was a huge bargain for them and much less than they're getting for that access road alone.

When is the last time you saw a Costco ad?

How about a negative Wal-Mart story on ABC?

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IT begins this way
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Oct 7, 2005 7:42 AM   
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Fascism begins when every single member of society becomes an agent of opression.
Ridiculous it was, but alarming.

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I'm sure that...
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Posted by: NamVeT on Oct 7, 2005 7:44 AM   
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all of us on sites like this or Americablog.com, etc. are being and have been watched since the first post! This country is going down the tubes faster than the water going into New Orleans. This administration in total should be locked up now, without a trial (do you think they would give us one). Hell no, they would lock us up in Gitmo. Bushie is without a doubt the most ignorant fucking idiot I have ever known to be in public office, and he should indeed be IMPEACHED along with the rest of his "partners in crime". I await the knock on my door just like the rest of you....

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Anti-Bush Poster Child
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Posted by: sisyphus.lives on Oct 7, 2005 7:47 AM   
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Did the student get back the poster?

Perhaps it can be donated to AlterNet who can have it made into a T-shirt. The poster on the front and some creative wording on the back.

We are doomed by our own government stupidity.

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The President is Insane!!!!
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Posted by: stoney13 on Oct 7, 2005 7:59 AM   
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Of course he's crazy!! You'ld have to be a lunatic to want the job!!

What do you expect to get!!! Think about it!!! We can't have lunatics running the country!!!! (That's what you think!!)

By the simple act of running for the office, you have proven that you are unqualified to fill it!!

Nuts are paranoid!! That's part of what makes them... well...nuts!!!

Paranoid people are likley to make knee-jerk actions regardless of the rationale that such actions will cause more problems than they solve!! (Like... WELL... IRAQ!!!)

Who's next? Another f**kin' nut!!! Bet the farm on it!!!!!!!

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Surprised...Why Should We Be..It's Bush
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Posted by: doneman2000 on Oct 7, 2005 8:07 AM   
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this country, since Bush was selected, has traveled down a road of secrecy coupled with dishonesty. Granted, with Bushs vast propagnda network it is sometimes difficult to know just what the truth is. Quite possibly Bush doesn't even know what the truth is...My God has there ever been a president as unenlightened or as uncaring as Blue Blood Bush. I certainly doubt it. With terrorists behind every corner we have time to investigate chit like this or busting medical marijauna patients. Yep gotta go after those harden criminals, right George?

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a contrarian view
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Posted by: pturet on Oct 7, 2005 8:16 AM   
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I for one don't really think this merits all the hoo-hah. A picture of anyone with a red thumbtack on their forehead is not really a cogent political statement. I mean, where's the reasoned analysis? I hold no brief for Bush, believe me, far from it. But in this day and age, the reactions of Wal-Mart (would the story be different if it were Walgreen's?) and the Secret Service don't seem out of line. After all, they let the kid go. Let's hope they didn't open a dossier on him a la J. Edgar Hoover.

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Posted by: Ahimsa on Oct 7, 2005 8:49 AM   
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On second thought,
Yes, it is ridiculous what the retarded Wal-Mart employee did.
But the Secret Service?
Shouldn't they be a tad more sophisticated?
Cheesh!

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Bush's World
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Posted by: packofwolves on Oct 7, 2005 8:49 AM   
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And you thought Bush was trying to spread democracy throughout this world. Ha! He's taking away our freedoms at every opporturnity and he's using terrorist-style fear tactics and the wrath of God to keep your attention focused elsewhere. Wake up country, you could be next! Bush wants to be the dictator, or didn't you hear that speech?

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Wal Mart invalids and the government
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Posted by: mortarthegovernment on Oct 7, 2005 8:56 AM   
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Morons working together to protect America. The sad thing here is, that the Wal Mart worker probably thinks they are doing the right thing and believes in Bush. I guess lying to people and building up their "patriotism" is the key to getting things done. "When ignorance reigns life is lost." Canada, Baby!

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SS in school
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Posted by: cyclone on Oct 7, 2005 9:09 AM   
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Only in today's America. Another case of well spent money and manpower. Unfrickin believable.

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See where we are, where we're headed
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Posted by: helenwheels on Oct 7, 2005 9:29 AM   
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Everyone should read
the 14 warning signs of fascism

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Orwell turning in his grave
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Posted by: canuckistani on Oct 7, 2005 9:30 AM   
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well people, its time to brush off those old dusty copies of 1984. Might as well start reading up and figuring out how to stay off the grid, its likely to get worse.

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Everyone should send a picture like the students to G.W. and Walmart
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Posted by: shojimon on Oct 7, 2005 9:39 AM   
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says it all. Shojimon in Portland OR.

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A similar SS foray
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Posted by: jwg on Oct 7, 2005 10:11 AM   
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Last year in Boulder CO, probably one of the bluest of blue blood locations, a high-school was interupted by a visit from the SS. It seems for a talent show, a group of kids encouraged by a teacher were going to play protest songs from the sixtys. Wonder how many more similar instances did not make it to the nightly news?

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BOO!! Ya'll
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Oct 7, 2005 10:21 AM   
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Travel with me, now, into the bygone days of yore called the Sixties when there was another Little Emperor of America who called himself Richard Nixon. Ah! Those were Great Days for Republicans! You could get life in prison in Texas (of course, where else?) for possesing ONE marijuana seed! I got myself on the Most Honored House of UnAmerican Activities Committee list for writing Anti-Vietnam war articles for college underground papers. But, people, this is nothing new in America. I knew people that were arrested for throwing a gum wrapper out of a car and charged with drug charges. There's never been any freedom of speech or justice in this country. Freedom of speech comes with a 10,000 dollar contribution to the Candidate of your chose. Justice costs 100,000 dollars. Hey, wake up, ya'll, the Gestapo's been here for a long, long time. What you need to ask yourselves is 1)How did you fail to notice and 2) What ya gonna do?
From experience, I can tell you how to deal with the FBI. If they arrest you and come to interview you, here's what to do. 1)Bum a cigerrette off them, then 2) Tell them two things...
jack and shit. And Jack just left town. Got to grow a pair, Americans. You pay their salary. The Revolution will not be Televised.

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Welcome to the New America
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Posted by: Guy on Oct 7, 2005 10:26 AM   
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Well, Conservatives, is this what you want? Is this how you envision "freedom," the same freedom you say we are trying to export to Iraq? I know there are a lot of good, honest, well-meaning Conservatives out there. Ask yourselves this: Is this what you wanted when you voted for GWB?

Guy

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god
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Posted by: god on Oct 7, 2005 10:36 AM   
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just one more example as to how the republicans love to act just like hittler.they take away your freedom of thought,your right not to believe in god ,your right to die when you want,your right to aboretion and on and on and on.

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Timeline for a Psychotic Nation
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Posted by: Spyder on Oct 7, 2005 10:41 AM   
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Wal-Mart is just one of the last elements in the Corporate Coup of Amerika. We have been pushing our culture in this direction for many years. First we were the country that built things. Then we were the country that developed things. Then we were the country of mergers and acquisitions. Then we became the consumer culture. Then we became Amerika!

http://www.e-tabitha.com/timeline.htm

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Back to School
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Posted by: patsy6 on Oct 7, 2005 10:42 AM   
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Sounds like the Wal Mart employee and the Secret Service need to go back to high school. Apparently they flunked Social Studies.

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huh!
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Posted by: karyse on Oct 7, 2005 10:43 AM   
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the post by Gonzo is correct -- the tactics have been with us a long time and say jack and shit.

The difference is the higher degree of secrecy and support for secrecy, and also that Bush and cronies get away with it easier because "stupidity," "idiocy," and "moronic" behavior, is treated differently than actions with intent. Nixon was never presumed to be stupid. Nor was Hoover. At some point we have to ask if looking like an idiot is just an act in order to do whatever you want -- unhindered. Regan showed them how to do it.

Cointelpro -- look it up. I'm beginning to think that it has something to do with being American -- what in our ideology (and the ideology of Europeans and their descendants) makes us so blind?

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Here's what to do, folks! (I'm serious; let's do it!)
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Oct 7, 2005 11:25 AM   
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(I got the following great suggestion from a friend in Ohio, to whom I e-mailed this story)

Here's what to do: Everybody on this blog get a head shot of the Prez, put a red thumbtack throught his head, with a hand and index finger indicating "BRAIN DEAD BUT STILL DANGEROUS~!" Take this to Wal-Mart in the same way the kid did, and let the party start!

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Another example - Haliburton in Australia
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Posted by: canuckistani on Oct 7, 2005 11:46 AM   
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just came across this:

Dissent isn't taken lightly Down Under

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A nation of snoops
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Oct 7, 2005 12:16 PM   
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This case is a perfect example of someone who didn't mind their own business. Has that Wal-Mart ever been to an anti-war rally? Heavens, anti-Bush posters abound and how come that employee didn't bother calling the cops THEN? What an idiot.
Anyway, heaven help us next time when a student is assigned to do a class project such as that one. You can't criticize "President" Bush, our Fuehrer, can't speak out in class, my goodness kids are getting an education all right, an exercise in censorship AND the lack of a freedom of speech.
We snoop on students, cameras are everywhere and we wonder why people are tense. We're all afraid of each other and Bush is one reason.

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Sprawl-Mart spies
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Posted by: originalbranek on Oct 7, 2005 1:53 PM   
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If the rest of you weren't convinced to stop shopping there before ,I hope you are now.And in case anyone is wondering where to get those questionable photos printed without looky-loos, try your local adult toy store. Some places have photo printing that is "no look,no tell".

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Freedom, eh? Democracy???
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Posted by: chasaturn on Oct 7, 2005 2:40 PM   
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Open message: I'll say what I think. I'll proudly stand up and speak out against your attempts to enslave through fear. Come to my door and I'll piss on you. I take enough diuretics that it should be easy.
The thing which injects a chill into this poster story is the fact that the SS went into the teacher's (and student's) room and STOLE the artwork. THAT's the part that gets me going. What arrogance!

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What do you really expect?
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Posted by: bobb8888 on Oct 7, 2005 3:06 PM   
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Walmart is pro-Dubya. I don't like Bush. Having said that I still think it's pretty stupid not to expect this type of thing to be investigated. An awful lot of presidents have had people take shots at them over the years. What happens if it's not investigated and he gets shot? It would be like "Well the signs were there. Why didn't anybody pay attention?"

In other words, "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"

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walmart 1984
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Posted by: chuck142 on Oct 7, 2005 3:07 PM   
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Big brother is alive and well at walmart. God help us all.

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Liberal pansies love Wal-Mart
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Posted by: poonoggin on Oct 7, 2005 4:18 PM   
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Liberal! Hah! You all MUST shop at Wal-Mart because your ideas are so cheap and baseless and without direction or merit. Whatever evil Wal-Mart represents you can't offer and alternative to the Bush/Neocon/Evangelical/Corporate revolution. Not one of you, not one Liberal, is worth a damn.

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Posted by: kattmann on Oct 7, 2005 4:27 PM   
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It appears that the NEO-NAZI's are alive and well in Wash DC
with branch offices in Wal-Marts nation wide. It's time for a national boycott of all Wal-Marts, at least the photo depts. Wally world needs a civics lesson big-time.

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welcome to wally-world
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Posted by: kablooie on Oct 7, 2005 5:00 PM   
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Since Wal-Mart was invented in my home state (Arkansas) I can attest to its insidious effects. I grew up in Arkansas and it used to be an okay place...but the Wal-Mart-ization took hold in a big way and one day I woke up and found myself surrounded by grossly overweight, loud and obnoxious, gun-worshipping redneck white people whose brains seemed to have shrivelled into tiny pellets.

Now that I no longer live in Arkansas, I see the Wal-Mart mentality in the darndest places. Maybe the Secret Service goon-squads trained as Wal-Mart greeters before moving on to bigger and better things, like terrorizing and harassing honor students.

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Pass of Fail
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Posted by: Cy Nicks on Oct 7, 2005 8:39 PM   
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I wonder if he got a passing grade on the project? His picture obviously failed "to illustrate their rights in the Bill of Rights".

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The Secret Serive=My New Best Friends : ) (I had to splitt this into 2 comments..this is part 2)
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Posted by: itsme101 on Oct 7, 2005 9:11 PM   
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Hey everybody..this is the kid that this article is about..and no I'm an not lying, it's really me. I'm a Senior out of Currituck County High School, in Currituck County, North Carolina. I'm 17 years old and have not on bad thing to my name. Ever since my freshman year, I've seen these Bill of Rights projects hanging on the walls in the halls of my school. When I finally became a senior I was actually kind of excited to do it, because I'd get to use my creativity to show my perception of our freedoms. But then Wal Mart had to go and spoil everyones fun. I showed back up at Wal Mart after an hour to pick up my photos, when I get there, there are 2 employees behind the counter scrutinizing someones photos. After waiting about 10 mins. when it should have only taken about 3..the employees start glancing over at me, and then one gets on the walkie talkie and then another employee shows up..I go up to the counter and make sure it is clear that the photos were for nothing more than a school project. They finally give me my pictures, and then I'm on my way. The next day at school, I present my project in front of my class and everything is fine, my teacher, Mrs. Jarvis seemed to really enjoy it. But then I get to my 3rd bell class and I'm called to the office. I walk in and there are 3 police officers waiting for me, one of them being the officer I took 2 of the pictures for the project with. I go into the Vice Principal's office where I talk to the 3 officers and the VP. I simply told them that the photos were nothing more than for the project, which pretty much all of them were pretty familiar with in the first place. And then one of the officers says that things were now in the hands of the Secret Service, I really had no clue what to say to that, but I simply laughed out of non-belief and said "Are you kidding me?" So the VP says to the officers "If we go get the poster and show yall that it was just for a project will it prove this was nothing more than what it was made to be?" So the VP and I walk to my class and get my poster, and we also try to look for my teacher, but she was no where to be found at the time. We brought the poster back to the officers and the took it so they could show their higher up. Then I'm pretty much sent on my way back to class. At my school, our day consists of 4 bells, I however don't have a 4th bell so I'm free to leave after 3rd bell.

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The Secret Serive=My New Best Friends : ) (this is really part 2..the first one was part 1)
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Posted by: itsme101 on Oct 7, 2005 9:13 PM   
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Well, after 3rd bell let out and 4th began, I went to my teachers class and said, "Um, has the VP come and talk to you yet?" She said, "No, Why?" I replied in a way to make it a little humerous and said, "Because,my poster was just confiscated by the Secret Service!" The class had a little chuckle and Mrs. Jarvis pretty much thought I was joking, but then after a few mins. I convinced her that it was no joke. Later that afternoon, I was at home by myself, because my parents were on their way home from Pennsylvania, and 2 men show up at my door. I opened it and they flashed me their badges and said who they were and if the could speak with me. I said no, because I really didn't feel comfortable talking to them w/o my parents present, so I told them to come back later. Later on that evening, the show up again, my parents are home now, and we sit down and chat for about an hour. They had my poster and copies of my pictures, which I don't think they had a warrent to receive copies of, which works in my favor, and they began asking me basic questions along w/ some stupid ass questions. After about an hour of that, everything was settled and they were on their way back to Raleigh.

That's pretty much the whole story..and for sisyphus.lives , no I did not get my poster back, I haven't seen it since the SS left my home. But now here I am, looking for everything on the net I'm mentioned in, and I came across this site and saw ppl could comment on it, so I thought I would comment and let everyone know the real story straight from my finger tips. This just shows how, to our gov't, a 17 year old from rural NC, is way more threatening to the President, than anything else in this world, and that we obviously don't have more important things to worry about.

Thank you to those who support this, and may I suggest, never go to Wal Mart.

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WalMart & the Brownshirts?
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Posted by: Entropy on Oct 8, 2005 2:23 AM   
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The point of the article should actually be that over-zealous informants of this type are taken absolutely seriously.

When people can raise a complaint of this nature, who gets investigated?

Like it or not, this has in some measure been the function of the SS (secret service). So long as all they did was investigate, I don't know if its over-the-top to investigate, but it comes down to how it was handled & whether it was done in a manner intended to intimidate.

Did the WalMart employee receive a reprimand?
There is no stated consequence to a frivolous complaint – is that an oversight, or deliberate?

I would like to see the poster in question. What happened to it?

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The Police State Is Closer Than You Think
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Posted by: Strephon on Oct 8, 2005 4:01 AM   
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See the full article at
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7556

"Police states are easier to acquire than Americans appreciate.

The hysterical aftermath of September 11 has put into place the main components of a police state.

Habeas corpus is the greatest protection Americans have against a police state. Habeas corpus ensures that Americans can only be detained by law. They must be charged with offenses, given access to attorneys, and brought to trial. Habeas corpus prevents the despotic practice of picking up a person and holding him indefinitely.

President Bush claims the power to set aside habeas corpus and to dispense with warrants for arrest and with procedures that guarantee court appearance and trial without undue delay. Today in the US, the executive branch claims the power to arrest a citizen on its own initiative and hold the citizen indefinitely. Thus, Americans are no longer protected from arbitrary arrest and indefinite detention."

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HAHAHAHA (To the above statements about me being the kid!)
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Posted by: itsme101 on Oct 8, 2005 8:01 AM   
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I can't believe that yall fell for it..this isn't the same kid! What are the chances of the same person finding this website and telling you exactly what happened?? How gullable can ppl be these days? I posted this to see how many of yall would actally believe me..but yeah, this def. isn't the kid so if anyone quotes this bull shit than um, haha, sucks for you, because that is called "false information"..

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What About Pat Robertson?
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Posted by: mschuth on Oct 8, 2005 8:01 AM   
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So this student is attacked for completing an assignment on Civics and yet the likes of Pat Robertson can go to the airwaves and print media and demand the killing of people in the name of his God and everyone just treats him like a petulant child. Wake up people! Whay hasn't this loony been put away or censored by the 'authorities'?
Here in ATL a woman was arrested after being turned into police for taking a picture of her husband and infant bathing together.
And wouldn't it be a better world if Wal-Mart went under!

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Walmart Stinks
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Posted by: Tennessee on Oct 9, 2005 7:21 AM   
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I have had WalMart refuse to sell me reprints of photos becaue they did not believe I took them, that they were professional.

None of these have displayed the name of a photo studio so how can the refuse service?

It is not some $5.50 per hour bozos business who took the photo. NOBODY has a right to have a copywrite on my face or the face of my children but me.

There are photo services on the internet that cost 1/3 what Wal(China)Mart does so they will never see my business again. I'll stick to Target or K-Mart.

BOYCOT WALMART NOW!

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Stop shopping at Walmart...
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Posted by: gmmonko on Oct 9, 2005 3:48 PM   
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Walmart errodes your economy by pressing suppliers to move to China. 60 % of Walmarts merchandise is special cheaply made stuff for America. Plastic and poisonous textiles.
Walmarts policy against it's employees is a very well known fact.

Their shops are an eyesore for every city.

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Evening Rain
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Posted by: rain on Oct 9, 2005 8:12 PM   
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Am I shocked? No - it seems that the Secret Service has already hassled several young people for wearing t-shirts or as in this case, exercising their right to free speech.
If the Secret Service spent less time on this - harassing students and more time trying to generate information to help get some "real" terrorists maybe then we'd have some chance of getting Bin Laden. What a joke that is! That was what this war started on - get Bin Laden - and he's still walking around a free man. Granted the Secret Service are there to protect the President, but come on! From students doing a legtimate class project? I guess the students have found out first-hand what the real truth is about our country today - there is no free speech unless you're spewing their propaganda! It's outrageous that secret service agents are hassling school kids and teachers over something like this.

This administration has done one thing after another to erode our rights under the US Constitution. In some states warrants are no longer needed to evade someone's home - they can listen in on our phone conversations, read our email (and probably our mail too). The signers of the Constitution of the US must be rolling over in their graves!

And Walmart? They probably get kick-backs for turning people in. How outrageous - so boycott Walmart period. They have a lousy record too.

Unless we all support this President and his henchmen we are all in danger. If we speak out against him - he can send his henchmen after us. There is no free America anymore and what is so damn disgusting, is that the President used terrorism as an excuse to send our men and women, sons and daughters, husbands and wives to war under the guise of protecting us and American's freedom! We need protection from the President and his cronies!
I know I am outraged by this and I think anyone reading of this attack on the civil rights of individuals should be as well. But the conservative Christian right loves this stuff - so they can force down our throats their belief in how we all should believe in God.

God help America - and all the men and women who died in the name of freedom! He could care less about our war dead. All he cares about is his power - his oil revenues, his buddies and his ego.

Will we survive this man's remaining term in office? Not at the rate we are headed for now!

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Write the Secret Service
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Posted by: cbergy21 on Oct 10, 2005 12:01 AM   
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Well, im a student in High School, and just to be a jackass, i wrote the Sevret Service, from their website, secretservice.gov. I told them what i thought about the whole thing, and told them the hours i would be in school, and also said, "From what i know, you like to target people like me, so i know you will be coming, i will be waiting."

Lets see if they come after me now. If you dont hear from me, they came, otherwise i will write updates.

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H. Clinton Walmart board
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Posted by: plantland on Oct 10, 2005 10:11 AM   
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Hilary Clinton used to be on Walmart's board. (it is based in Arkansas).

Is she still on the board, or did she perceive it as a liability long ago and step down?

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libertydream
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Posted by: libertydream on Oct 10, 2005 10:30 AM   
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I wish we could get a copy of the student's project and make a zillion posters to put up everywhere with a note to "come and get us all."

On a more logical note, it occurs to me that in the photograph of the project, the red tack undoubtedly looked like a bullet hole. I don't think that's what the student intended, but at least it would make the SS's involvement a little less egregious.

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Investigation of Student Reeks of Fascism
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Posted by: thomas r arnold on Oct 10, 2005 12:01 PM   
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Ja! Here in Amerika at last ve are in ze fourth reich. Heil Bush under Gott! Freedom of Speech is . . . Freedom of Speech. To investigate this high school student reeks of fascist dictatorship. Our republicanazis have gotten well out of hand in this country with their lying, cheating, stealing elections, stealing our surplus, and rumors of much worse behavior (like a certain murder in Florida). I have no doubts that these greedy, self-serving people are completely evil. I don't care if they are nice to their house pets and their servants. Their actions tell me all I need to know about them. I believe the republicanazis are the greatest threat that my country has ever faced.

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YOU TALK TO MUCH!
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Posted by: v001 on Oct 10, 2005 3:56 PM   
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Blah blah blah! Do your home work, your own research, form your own opinion, find out what you can do, then do it!

Enough ranting! Theres work to do people!

Dig deeper!...scratch beneath the surface! This is all still just the same old same old going around and around.

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ridiculous?
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Posted by: osisbs on Oct 11, 2005 10:11 AM   
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Yeah, you'll think it's all a big joke when you're getting a flashlight enema in Gitmo. Please do not offend our semi-elected commander in chief.

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lambchops
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Posted by: lambchops on Oct 12, 2005 6:44 AM   
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My thoughts exactly when DARE was taught to my children in grade school. I did not allow them to be my children's consciences though. I had to argue with my children every step of the way using logic and pointing out the intolerance and cruelty that they were being taught to use toward those who were addicted. My children did finally start to think critically for their selves and told me that they spoke out in their DARE classes about the points that I had shared with them. I believed then and I know now that we must use all we have to convince our children of the real way to live life. Just like DARE's message that they give to parents about standing their ground with a child that is doing drugs, we must stand our ground against those whose only aim is to subvert our children's minds.

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What happened to the First Amendment?
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Posted by: Bulldog0 on Oct 13, 2005 9:40 AM   
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This is unbelievable and utterly outrageous! George Bush has squelched the U.S. Constitution (under the Patriot Act) and all rights that Americans deserve and are supposedly guaranteed under it (the Constitution) and the Bill of Rights. How dare he???

The United States Secret Service is no better than the KGB or Hitler's SS!

This story has to be told to as many people as possible and America needs to regain control of our government. Bush is destroying it daily. The world used to look upon the United States as a gentle and loving country - always there to help the underprivileged. Now we are depicted as thugs, warmongers, and terrorists. I am sickened at what Bush has done to this nation!

Look what he has done so far - allowing 9-11 to happen; taking us into an illegal war based on lies; creating an enormous debt (after Clinton/Gore created a record breaking budget surplus); kow-towing to the Far Right Extremists; giving the super-rich tax breaks when the nation is in debt, but at the same time allowing Katrina and Rita victims to fend for themselves. Now he (Bush) is threatening to veto a bill that will allow him to torture prisoners even though the Senate voted to adhere to the Geneva Convention and disallow torture. Bush loves the power that he has. He is a maniac! The list goes on and on. Maybe it is time to invoke the 25th Amendment (that the president is mentally unfit to lead the nation).

Kudos to the young lad mentioned in this article. Bush and his gang of thugs and bullies should be condemned. The United States of America is too great a country to condone such behavior!

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the new malwart
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Posted by: take pills on Oct 14, 2005 2:06 AM   
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you think walmart is bad check out who owns your so-called organic foods
http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/corporate_organic.cfm

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the authority
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Posted by: take pills on Oct 14, 2005 2:12 AM   
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I can't wait to grow up, join the secret service, and pick on high school kids! That way I'll feel so good about all that training.... uh, what were you saying to morpheus (Agent smith says to me while putting my earpiece back in) , he doesn't know (other agent smith says to other other agent smith)...

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REPTILIANS
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Posted by: take pills on Oct 14, 2005 2:21 AM   
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Umm wal mart, "corporatism" and reptilian nature.

reptilian royal bloodlines intro

it's the nature of cold blooded species not that they don't have conscious, they are just more prone to hierarchical structures (more insecure).

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Boycott
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Posted by: mjmonte on Oct 15, 2005 11:39 AM   
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Boycott Walmart!

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I Don't Buy It
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Posted by: I Don't Buy It on Oct 15, 2005 1:50 PM   
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I Don't Buy It... reported to police, maybe. Secret Service taking the poster, doubt it.

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POOR MISGUIDED YOUTH
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Posted by: johininsapporo on Oct 15, 2005 6:04 PM   
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I was happy to see that a Walmart employee took responsibility in calling in the police so that this poor, misguided youth can be corrected. If this kind of dissention were allowed to increase unhindered, we would lose the freedom that we have been working hard to attain. The young man is not to blame, he is suffering from delusions. Luckily, there are psychiatrists to help this kind of person. After all, providing this kind of help is the tradition of psychiatry. It was used very effectively to help those misguided individuals who had delusions about the Soviet regime and the Nazi's before it. Let's just hope the psychiatrists didn't get there too late. That's the only problem they face - when the disease has progressed beyond the capacity to cure it.

So, please, all you public spirited people, whenever you see someone turning even slightly away from the straight and narrow, do your bit and inform the authorities, leave it to the professionals to help these people recover from the deadly disease of dissention. Even now, they are training more psychiatrists and building new psychiatric hospitals to care for poor misguided youths like the one mentioned in your article.

And a good thing too.

Support the psychologists and psychiatrists in our schools and society.

They too are working for the cause of Freedom.

John Davis

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It's model is...
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Posted by: beeboys on Oct 16, 2005 5:09 AM   
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is it the KGB or the Gestapo that has become the model for the new Secret Service? This incident sure is reminiscent of stories we heard about life in Communist or Nazi states--neighbors turning in neighbors...

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Dr. Yaw Ackah, University professor
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Posted by: yackah on Oct 21, 2005 6:59 AM   
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How can we teach our kids about the First Amendment Rights if we treat them this way? All the participants displayed extremely bad judgment from the overzealous Wal-Mart worker (what was she thinking?), to the police officer who could not determine the difference between a school project and a "suspicious" document, to the equally incompetent Secret Service officers who wasted the tax payer's money to follow up on such a stupid case. What do we expect the world to think if this is happening in America?

I respect the teacher who defended her student. I teach Criminal Justice and I could have given a similar assignment. In the university we teach our students to develop independent thinking. It appears we have to stop doing it now, or do we have to....?

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Every thing is under control
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Posted by: surfreality on Oct 21, 2005 10:28 AM   
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Keep shopping.

Don't ask questions.

Orange Alert.

Everything is under control.

Keep shopping.

Don't ask questions.

Orange alert.

Everything is under control.

"It can't happen here."
Frank Zappa

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Posted by: dondowski on Oct 23, 2005 7:29 AM   
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I don't care which elected official it was whether it was Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Carter if someone uses the president of the United States in a demeaning way he will have that visit from the Secret Service. If you tell a policeman you are going to kill the president he will hold you for the Secret Service. When you threaten any legitimate head of any country you will be arrested, I don't care if your the poorest or the richest man. Of course, in some countries they will come to your house and drag you out in the street and KILL YOU right on the spot.
I know this is a demo party website, but I am neither a democrat or republican, because I have learned they all lie to get elected and then only do what they want to do.
We ought to elect laymen instead of judges and lawyers the country would be so much better off than it is now!!!!!!!!!!

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Verification
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Posted by: alternetleslie on Oct 26, 2005 9:03 AM   
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We have to be careful of propaganda from both the conservatives and the progressives. So how do we verify this story? By the way, the P.R. industry lobbyists are gutting the Truth in Broadcasting Act (S. 967) so that if one second of a pre-packaged government press release is not included, the source does not have to be acknowledged. Get busy and call your senators www.senate.gov and your representative www.house.gov to get mandatory source disclosure restored. In a democracy we need to know the source to judge credibility.

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verification
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Posted by: alternetleslie on Oct 26, 2005 9:05 AM   
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We have to be careful of propaganda from both the conservatives and the progressives. So how do we verify this story? By the way, the P.R. industry lobbyists are gutting the Truth in Broadcasting Act (S. 967) so that if one second of a pre-packaged government press release is not included, the source does not have to be acknowledged. Get busy and call your senators www.senate.gov and your representative www.house.gov to get mandatory source disclosure restored. In a democracy we need to know the source to judge credibility.

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Just out of curiosity
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Posted by: hankhill17 on Oct 31, 2005 9:29 AM   
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Has anyone seen any reference to this in the "paper of record" or any other major news source? I can't find anything other than this article and references to this article. Honest truth, I have a problem giving this any sort of credence until the NYT, the Washington Post, or some otther major news organization verfies it and prints it.

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bush is a idiot
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Posted by: codemeister on Dec 5, 2005 8:45 AM   
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he controls the secret service and tries to crush anyone who disagrees with him, so he sent his "secret" service to get this little kid. I can't believe he got elected in the first place but whatever. The kid is a good kid and they went against the law when he took down the poster and took all the other posters.
It's just sad

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Wal-Hell
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Posted by: KeKeR on Jun 8, 2006 12:59 PM   
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See, Wal-Mart has their priorities all mixed up. I used to work at their photo lab and one time we had some pictures come in that could very easily have been classified as child-pornography. We turned them in to the manager and to this day (almost 3 years later) nothing was ever done about it. He said there wan't enough evidence in the photos to call the police. But I think a naked pre-teen girl posing on a couch is child-porn

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