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Boys Out in America

By Clint Hendler, MotherJones.com. Posted August 15, 2005.


The Boy Scouts of America discriminates against gays and forces leaders to pledge that one can't be the 'best kind' of citizen without believing in God.
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In 1973, fresh out of college, Dennis St. Jean was hired by the Boy Scouts of America. He quickly worked his way up, serving in a variety of executive positions across the Northeast. In 1991 he was transferred to the BSA's headquarters in Irving, Texas, where, as Assistant Director of Professional Development, he taught management skills to thousands of employees across the country. Ten years later, St. Jean stepped down and moved to the Florida Keys to become General Manager of Sea Base in the Florida Keys. There, he and his seasonal staff of 2000 supervised the 11,000 Boy Scouts who came year-round to snorkel, scuba, and sail at one of scouting's three national high adventure programs.

But on January 28, 2005, according to St. Jean, he became the highest-ranking and longest-serving professional scouter in the history of the BSA to be fired merely for being gay. St. Jean had just successfully led Sea Base through a trying hurricane season when a representative from Irving came to Florida and presented him with the "evidence": a copy of his bill from Lighthouse Court Gay Guesthouses, where he had vacationed months before. (St. Jean believes the bill was obtained by a disgruntled Sea Base employee who had somehow found out about the trip.) Days later, a registered letter from Irving stated that the BSA had "lost confidence" in St. Jean's ability to serve as an employee. "I was like a deer in headlights," recalls St. Jean. "I was dumbfounded--I felt devastated, angry, hurt." The BSA's national spokesperson refused to comment on what he called a "personnel issue," but St. Jean, who says he had never received a professional evaluation that was less than glowing, can see no other explanation for why he was let go.

It is not at all clear exactly when the BSA started forbidding membership to gays and non-theists; for the first seven decades after the organization's 1910 founding the issue never came up in a public way. It wasn't until a series of court cases in the wake of a lawsuit filed by a California Scout--who was forced out after taking a boy to senior prom--that the BSA's membership policies became a legal issue.

The BSA's requires all of its approximately four million youth and adult members (who include about 4,000 employees) to meet its discriminatory membership standards, which were protected by the Supreme Court's 2000 ruling in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale. The 5 to 4 decision agreed with the BSA's claim that its membership policies were a form of speech legally known as "expressive association," and were thereby protected by the First Amendment. Since the decision the BSA has shown no sign of changing its mind, and that's angered many who, Like St. Jean, have otherwise felt that they had a home in scouting.

While the National Council's expenditures--$125 million in 2004--are privately funded, the organization has long benefited from a wide variety of in kind contributions and support from state, local, and federal governments. Dale triggered a battery of anti-discrimination lawsuits against the BSA, resulting in court decisions that restricted governmental support for the organization. The most important case yet decided involves the Boy Scout National Jamboree at Fort A.P. Hill--an Army base in Northern Virginia, which has hosted the event every four years since 1981--which closes its nine-day run tomorrow. An estimated 40,000 scouts and leaders from across the country will attend this year's summer camp-like gathering. The Department of Defense views the Jamboree as a unique opportunity to educate boys about careers in the military, and gives the military experience in setting up an event akin to running a refugee camp. The Pentagon expects to spend about $7.3 million on in-kind services in support of the Jamboree. This support accounts for about 80 percent of all federal funds directed to the Boy Scouts, according to Adam Schwartz, an attorney for the ACLU. But this spring, a Federal District Court judge for Northern Illinois declared the BSA a religious institution, and hence ruled that the military funds violated the Establishment Clause--which limits government support for organized religion.

To fight its many legal and public relations battles, the BSA is relying on support from a long roster of conservative and religious organizations, who see the Scouts as just another front in the ongoing culture wars to preserve what they, and the BSA, call "traditional values." Robert Bork Jr.--a former fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, and the son of Ronald Reagan's failed Supreme Court nominee--has been hired to coordinate public relations for the scouts; his campaign's centerpiece website recommends related articles from The Weekly Standard and Citizen, the magazine of James Dobson's Focus on the Family. The Federalist Society, the foremost legal think tank of the right, recently hosted a panel on the BSA's struggles, featuring Ken Starr. Scout Councils in Florida and Georgia have held fundraisers that have featured conservative celebrities Ann Coulter and Oliver North.

Mark Noel, a leader in the Coalition for Inclusive Scouting, a national network of activists working to reform the BSA's exclusive policies, thinks that liberal parents and scouts have been "voting with their feet," deciding that Scouting is no longer appropriate for their family after hearing about the discriminatory polices at issue in the lawsuits. Indeed, since Dale, Boy Scout rolls have dropped 3.8 percent. Cub Scout numbers have dropped by a staggering 13.8 percent--a decrease that likely foreshadows a similar drop among older Scouts in a few years time. But the reduced public support has perhaps had a more direct effect: One Portland BSA employee attributed a 10 percent drop in his Council's enrollment after the city forbid recruitment during school hours. Meanwhile, with corporate sponsors and local United Way affiliates cutting funds to BSA Councils, hiring has slowed. According to St. Jean, the BSA calculates that each new professional scouter usually recruits about 1,500 new boys.

The BSA, for its part, insists that the decline is unrelated to the fallout from its membership policies, instead pointing to changing age demographics and a general decrease in interest in scouting-related activities. But the population of eligible boys has held steady, and the Girl Scouts--a similar yet separate organization that does not discriminate on the basis of religion or sexual orientation--has continued to grow.

No matter the exact cause, however, the drop in enrollment is increasing the influence of those within the organization who support BSA's discriminatory rules. Internal efforts to reform membership policies have been thwarted by the BSA's Religious Relations Committee, which has long been dominated by representatives of conservative churches. (The Mormon Church, whose adherents are about 2 percent of the general population but account for about 13 percent of BSA membership, is usually described as the chief impediment.)

But reform efforts are unlikely to get far as long as the scouts continue to stifle dissent. New leaders are required to sign a pledge stating that they believe that someone cannot be the "best kind" of citizen without believing in God. Activists report that the BSA maintains a "litmus test" and refuses to promote any professional who disagrees with the policy.

Noel, concerned about the future of Scouting, points to polls that show younger Americans to be more tolerant than previous generations; these future parents will soon decide whether or not to encourage their sons to join. And he worries that Scouting, which used to respect the values of a broader swath of Americans, will have made up their minds for them.

It's been more than six months since St. Jean was fired. So far, his efforts to reach an out-of-court financial settlement with the BSA for wrongful termination have been unsuccessful; he soon plans to file suit against the organization, under a Monroe County, Florida, ordinance prohibiting employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and has retained an out-of-state lawyer who previously obtained a settlement for another gay client fired by the BSA.

He's been unemployed since his firing. With his seniority stripped away, the new job he'll soon start will pay about half what he earned at Sea Base. And it will not be with the organization he joined as an eight year old cub scout and "never left"--that is, until they kicked him out.

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Clint Hendler is an editorial intern at Mother Jones.

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Posted by: xenacat on Aug 15, 2005 5:36 AM   
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While I'm sympathic to St. Jean's personal anguish at losing a job he loved, I'm not as sympathic to his choice to work with an organization that is openly sexist, racist and homophobic. It makes little sense to work for people who hate you. BSA has embraced Bush's neocon culture of hate for sometime now. To expect this organization not to mistreat a member of a despised minority - like St. Jean - is ridiculus. It is wrong as hell for BSA to be so hateful, but that is the reality of the matter. That being said, I wish St. Jean luck. Hope he successfully sues the socks off of BSA.

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» RE: xenacat Posted by: beoba
Pretty Sad
Posted by: nakis on Aug 15, 2005 6:34 AM   
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An organization that is supposed to teach children how to be upstanding citizens and strong parts of the social fabric openly hates gays and athiests. What a disturbing message to give children. Teach a child to discriminate against one type of person and they can use that lesson to discrimenate against any other type. This leads to violence and oppression.

All parents concerned about racism and bigotry should not let their kids join the BSA.

Just maybe if this nation takes a popular stand on hating and discrimenating against racists, bigots, homophobes and the like will these people learn.
But then a common belief amoung them is that they are already martyrs. They are already threatened by those they are bigoted against. In a word fear.

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An Eagle Scout Speaks
Posted by: errandchild on Aug 15, 2005 6:42 AM   
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Personally I am ashamed of the organization I used to be a part of. I can remember hearing about the homophobia and leaving the organization because of it. I do think that the organization should be seen as a religious tool due to the fact that, at least in my hometown, the different troops had their meetings at churches. I am most unhappy at the situation.

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I had no idea just how bad the Boy Scouts have become
Posted by: sausage on Aug 15, 2005 6:54 AM   
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Wow! I am an old Eagle Scout. When I was active in Scouting back in the Sixties I thought we were all about tolerance, inclusion and equality. One of the big slogans back then was "Be Square," meaning to treat people from different cultures, religions, ethnic groups or philosophies with equanimity and be honest and truthful in all transactions with your fellow human beings. Yeah, "Be Square" was corny, I guess that's why the BSA dropped the phrase "to be square" from the Cub Scout Promise in 1971, but a lot of meaning was packed in those two words.

Another thing is that I remember the quadrennial Jamboree was held at different locations around the country. I was a Scout long enough to remember that. I remember reading about the national Jamboree being held at Valley Forge one year. This whole thing of holding the Jamboree only at Fort A.P. Hill since 1981 and U.S. Army involvement smacks of Hitler Youth.

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Former Boy Scout
Posted by: uglicoyote on Aug 15, 2005 7:31 AM   
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In my area (Idaho) the Boy Scouts are little more than an extension of the Mormon Church. Most of the adult leadership and the professionals are Mormons. They actually offer classes at BYU on professional scoutiing. What I remeber most from my own scouting days is the militarism. They were preparing us to be good sodiers, all that marching and saluting.

And yet, some of my best childhood memories involve camping and hiking with my friends in the B.S. It's too bad they have become the Bigot Scouts of Amerika.

Perhaps it's time for a new national boy's organization built along the lines of the Girl Scouts. I encouraged my daughter's participation in GSA precisely because they were open to all. The girls are now better citizens in part because of the GSA .

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Boy scouts always nationlistic
Posted by: Jamesberry on Aug 15, 2005 7:31 AM   
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Haven't the boyscouts always had that nationlistic edge to them in the US and UK. Speaking of looking like nazis those old fils of american school children reciting the pledge of alleagaince tended to strike me the same way. A Suppose it seemed normal to American but it had a creepy tinge to it for me.

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» Military Roots Posted by: outsidea
A chance to teach an important lesson
Posted by: SDogood on Aug 15, 2005 7:55 AM   
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My youngest son has been a scout for several years. He has always enjoyed camping and learning to do fun activities with the troop, and the troop leaders are all dads who appear to be good people. However we all grow up at some time, and I have to show my son that while the people of his troop are great participants, the association leaders advocate a very different goal than the one our friends do. The choice we face is simple: do we continue to participate with our friends in a fun endeavor? Or do we acknowledge that the symbols we wear are representations of exclusion and discrimination on another level? Just because we have not experienced these acts does not mean it does not happen or is incapable of occuring among our troop. Do we play along until we encounter the terrible face of 'scouting', or do we make a principled stand and say we can not belong to an organization that acts in such a repugnant way? My son and I will be mailing in our resignations to the national scout council.

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Another Eagle Scout Speaks
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie on Aug 15, 2005 10:20 AM   
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As an Eagle Scout I can say scouting has done a lot of good for many boys including myself. Simply because it doesn't meet the agenda of some people is no reason to bash the organization. NO organization is all good or bad and they all have their faults but I don't know how anybody can argue with the fundamental teachings of Scouts. Just look at the scout laws.

A Scout is:
Trustworthy
Loyal
Helpful
Friendly
Courteous
Kind
Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean and
Reverent

Scouts also do many community service projects and are taught to respect the environment.

What is so evil about these teachings?

I wonder why nobody is concerned about the amount of money the Military is spending for recruiting at the Scout's National Jamboree. Am I the only one that thinks it is inappropriate to recruit young impressionable boys that are held in a captive audience?

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» RE: Another Eagle Scout Speaks Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie
» Scouting in itself isn't evil Posted by: errandchild
men and boys in the woods for a week? hmmm...
Posted by: apodapa on Aug 15, 2005 11:52 AM   
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Sound like a homesexual jamboree to me.

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» I got the sarcasm. Posted by: nickptar
OMIGAWD!
Posted by: Gun Bunny on Aug 15, 2005 11:53 AM   
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The Boy Scout oath begins.. "on my honor, I promise to do my best to do my duty to god and my country." It's pretty innocous stuff. BSA doesn't require kids to subscribe to a particular god, it simply requires that kids subscribe to the concept of a god, much the same way that Alcoholics Anonymous requires drunks to subscribe to a "higher power" because the fundamental tenet of AA is that the drunks are powerless over alcohol without the help of said "higher power", never specifying, like the Boy Scouts, what that higher power should be.

Now, most folks see the social good provided by an organization like AA, but I wonder if those very same folks, or the author, in particular would make the claim that the many churches and public buildings that are used for nightly AA meetings are evidence that the state is somehow sponsoring religion. Twaddle and rubbish I say.

Anyway, I was a Boy Scout until about age 14, when I figured out that religion was a fraud and became a committed atheist. It never occurred to me to impose my views on BSA, so I dropped out. I didn't feel wounded or excluded, or anything else. I was a man, or so I thought, and I did the honorable that was right for me; I left the organization that wanted me to acknowlege a god-thing.

I suppose that it's the same thing with homosexuals. The BoyScouts don't want to becume the next Catholic Church scandal, and have been assiduously keeping homosexuals from the membership and from leadership positions, not wanting to be seen as extoling homosexualism as a virtue or to present homosexuals as positive role models. One of the earlier responders had it right: Why would anyone put himself into the conflicting position of wanting to be a member of an organization that doesn't want him to be a member? That's nuts.

Finally, rant all you want about state sponsored religion, which it is not, but if you persist, remember that in fairness, you also should run AA out of public buildings as well.

GB

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» Concerning AA Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com
» RE: OMIGAWD! Posted by: oldman
» RE: OMIGAWD! Posted by: outsidea
BSA internal struggle
Posted by: susanh on Aug 15, 2005 1:54 PM   
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the homophobic stance of the national board is not uniformly supported by all boy scouts and their families. there is an on-going struggle, part of which is being waged by the organization Scouting for All (you can google it) and by the independent positions of various districts, packs, and troops.

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» Thank You Posted by: errandchild
» RE: BSA internal struggle Posted by: oldman
Typical liberal trash
Posted by: fjames on Aug 15, 2005 4:37 PM   
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If you join a men's club, have a sex change, you drop out of the club.
If you join a skydiving club and grow to believe it should be outlawed, you quit.
I am positve that if their were a fanactic islamic boys group that practiced savagery against the human race in the name allah, and didn't let gays or Christians join, you would all be in defense of THEIR religious beliefs.
But heaven(oops I typed HEAVEN)forbid good natured Christians have a group that follows its RELIGIOUS beliefs the lib wants them wiped out.
You left leaning freaks never cease to amaze!

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» RE: Typical liberal trash Posted by: oldman
» RE: Typical liberal trash Posted by: outsidea
» RE: Typical liberal trash Posted by: apodapa
» RE: Typical liberal trash Posted by: Tommy
» Quote ENTIRE VERSES PLEASE Posted by: MSTHOM
» RE: Typical liberal trash Posted by: nickptar
» RE: Typical liberal trash Posted by: MSTHOM
Baden-Powel must rolling over in his grave
Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 16, 2005 9:57 AM   
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how embarasing...
if its not one group for people to hate then they have to find another... and these are suppose to be parents of the next generation?
a real dilemma we're facing

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A new group for youth should be founded
Posted by: RayP on Aug 18, 2005 6:53 AM   
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Since Boy Scouts has become so much off from the mission in which it was founded, a new group for youths should be started.

It should be open for both Boys and Girls, and should teach ethics, respect of others, diversity, and similar ideals. It should not be affilated with any single religious group, but should teach the youth involved about various religions around the world. Then it would be up to them to form their own opinions.

Likewise, the organization should not embrace any single political point of view, but should study various political and governmental systems and schools of thought. This can be both historical as well as present day. There could be discussions about the good and bad points of all forms of government, religion, school of thought, etc.

There should be a policy that the youth and their parents would agree on, that would state something like "the members agree to be open to discussion of various issues, and would not be encouraged one way or the other by the organization." Likewise, the members would agree not to impose their individual beliefs on others in the group, only just to share them.

Such an organization would then teach young people to have an open mind in affairs, to respect other people, to be ethical in dealing with other people. In effect, these are the common teachings of major world religions. Religion does not have to be even mentioned, but the ethics from the religions could be incorporated into the group's mission.

Likewise, the organization should teach acceptance of others who pose no theat to other people. Just becuase someone would accept someone else being homosexual does not mean that they would accept a person being a murderer. This is where the "respect for others" factor would come in.

If such an organization could be formed, I would almost guarantee that several current and former members of the Boy and Girl Scouts would be the first to participate!

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» They exist ... Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com
A Scoutmaster's Dilemma
Posted by: Jambeole on Aug 23, 2005 10:35 AM   
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I feel torn in two on this issue. I’ve been a boy scout leader for almost a decade. I’ve never seen anyone asked to quit because they are an atheist or a homosexual. I’ve never seen it come up except in the most quiet discussions.

But I have seen a lot of good get accomplished. I’ve seen boys learning about the outdoors and developing leadership skills. I’ve seen them running around in the woods playing instead of sitting in front of computer games all day. I’ve seen them learn about cooking and taking care of their equipment on camping trips, and then amaze their parents by doing the same thing at home.

I’ve been approached by scouts that thought their brand of Christianity was the only truth and explained that doubt and faith are close friends while certainty in religion is closer to inquisitions and holy wars. I’ve talked to scouts about accepting others as there are and being slow to judge.

The Boy Scout stance on homosexuality, though is just wrong. This is discrimination against people for who they are, not what they choose. With the issue of atheism, BSA is open to all but the most strident positions (although I believe they are wrong here also), but on homosexuality it can be seen that they are engaged in witch hunts.

I don’t know how I and my boys can be a part of an organization that holds these positions. And I don’t know how I can leave and help to turn an excellent program over to religious extremists.

It isn’t practical to start a new organization. The BSA owns hundreds of camps throughout the nation, has a fully paid staff in place, has an established fundraising organization, and even has a special relationship with the federal, state, and local governments.

I think we would do better to work from within. Perhaps the Unitarian church could flood them with members (there is Unitarian religious award now, I believe). Perhaps if all parents with conscience would join, we could take back the leadership over time.

The right wing would love to see us split and run so they can consolidate their hold on the boy scouts. What organization will they look to next if we let them?

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I Learned About Sex From BSA Campouts & Jamborees.
Posted by: SanFranDuke on Aug 26, 2005 1:50 PM   
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I had my first sexual experiences at my troop's campouts and at jamborees. There were always a group of boys who participated in these sessions. This group never included either the adult leaders or the older boys.

If you want to know what a gay orgy is like, go to a jamboree. Naturally, only a comparatively few participated. The majority never knew; or if they did, they kept quiet.

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BSA is only protecting the youth
Posted by: cosmic on Oct 9, 2006 3:37 PM   
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BSA does not teach hate. The topic of gay lifestyles is never brought up in a Scout meeting. It does not even concern the youth.

Those who oppose BSA adult position with regards to the gay lifestyle always use the word "hate" to the point it has no meaning anymore.

BSA forbids gay men from serving because over the years it has had too much experience with gay men engaging in inappropriate behavior with boys. In the 1980's over 1800 scout leaders were dismissed (many were prosecuted) for this behavior, with 65% found to be gay.

The Catholic church has had nearly 900 priests indentiied as behaving inappropriately towards boys, over 90% of the boys were early teens. 78% of these priests were found to be living non-celibate gay lives.

BSA has had to put up protections for protecting its youth from the criminal behavior of those within the gay community who like to prey on young teens.

Ironically, BSA is attacked for PROTECTING its Youth, and then you have the Cathollic Church and now Congress, being yelled at for NOT PROTECTING the youth in its charge, and those attacks are from the same people.

You cannot have it both ways.

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