CIVIL LIBERTIES  
comments_imageCOMMENTS: 22

You Can't Do That on Television!

Sex and homosexuality are now television staples. But while there are plenty of shows that feature extreme surgeries, abortion remains the last television taboo.
April 18, 2005  |  
 
 
LIKE THIS ARTICLE ?
Join our mailing list:

Sign up to stay up to date on the latest Civil Liberties headlines via email.

 
 
Advertisement
 
On any given evening, you can turn on the TV and surf past images that not too long ago were considered too shocking, too politically contentious, or too offensive for national broadcast: interracial couples; visibly pregnant women; graphic violence; sex; homosexuality; foul language; even dancing, singing animated feces. Thanks to the rise of reality TV, it's become acceptable to broadcast graphic, gruesome images of real or realistic medical procedures (rhinoplasties, gastric bypasses, and autopsies) and gross-out bodily functions (people eating bugs, worms, and rats; people vomiting).

You'll undoubtedly witness characters both fictional and real dealing with complicated love triangles, sex, birth, death, betrayal, and more moral conundrums than you can shake your remote at. You might even catch a comedic skit that openly mocks Jesus and God. But there's one thing you're almost guaranteed not to see on TV, despite the reality of it being one of the most common medical procedures in the US: abortion. As many commentators have pointed out, as all of the old you-can't-do-that-on-television taboos - sexual content, violence, cursing, nudity, homosexuality - have fallen away, abortion is the one hot-button issue that simply remains too hot for TV.

Robert Thompson, Director of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture and Television at Syracuse University, describes abortion as being "conspicuous by its absence," while in a November 2004 New York Times article Kate Arthur calls it an "aberration." While the public and political discourse around issues like gay rights has dramatically increased over the past 30 years - and subsequently become increasingly visible in popular culture - the discourse around abortion and reproductive rights has actually narrowed, to the point where it has become more difficult to introduce the issue of abortion on a TV show than it once was. The Debut of Reproductive Rights

Way back in 1964 - nearly a decade before Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationally - a main character on the soap opera Another World got pregnant and had what was referred to as an "illegal operation," which left her sterile. Shortly after the 1973 Roe decision, Susan Lucci's All My Children character had soap opera's first legal abortion, with none of the health or psychosocial aftereffects (sterility, insanity, murder, etc.) that would come to characterize soap abortions in the future. But the best-known and most widely viewed pop culture abortion took place in 1972 on Maude, the All in the Family spinoff starring Bea Arthur as the titular liberal feminist. When 47-year-old Maude, who was married and had a grown daughter, became unexpectedly pregnant, she opted for an abortion, which was legal in New York state at the time. (In a sign of just how different the times were, Maude's producers cooked up the abortion storyline in response to a challenge from the group Zero Population Growth, which was sponsoring a $10,000 prize for sitcoms that tackled the issue of population control.)

In the wake of Roe v. Wade, and as the basic tenets of second-wave feminism seeped into the American mainstream in the '70s and '80s, serious adult-oriented dramas like Hill St. Blues, St. Elsewhere, and Cagney & Lacey featured abortions every season or so, as did the occasional soap opera. In the real world, the annual number of abortions steadily increased until 1985, when the abortion rate leveled off. In the late '80s and early '90s, in the face of a growing number of legal challenges to Roe, a smattering of storylines revisited the specter of illegal abortions, as if to remind us of what was at stake. On Vietnam War-era drama China Beach, a young nurse named Holly has an illegal abortion; the show's moral center, leading character Colleen McMurphy, is a staunch Catholic who disapproves of Holly's actions. Popular shows Thirtysomething and Cagney & Lacey addressed the issue more obliquely, often using flashbacks to provide some distance from the controversial event or using an extraordinary event - like a bombing of an abortion clinic on C&L - to touch on the issue.

Moral Dilemmas and False Alarms

With the rise of the primetime teen soap (Beverly Hills 90210, Party of Five, Dawson's Creek) in the mid-'90s, it was inevitable that sexually active teen and young adult characters would be confronted with pregnancy, often in the guise of the Very Special Episode. Enter the convenient miscarriage. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, some 13 percent of unwanted pregnancies end in miscarriage, but on TV that number is much, much higher. The convenient miscarriage goes something like this: Sympathetic lead character gets knocked up. SLC agonizes over what to do, sometimes going so far as to visit an abortion clinic. SLC decides that although she believes in a woman's right to choose (her boyfriend or best friend most likely feels significantly different, however), she's going to keep her baby. Moral dilemma resolved, SLC spontaneously miscarries; SLC is sad but realizes that in the end she wasn't really ready to be a mother anyway. (Alternatively, the pregnancy turns out to be a false alarm, an even more tidy wrap-up to the dilemma.) The convenient miscarriage/false alarm remains the most popular strategy for dodging abortion, as it allows TV producers to congratulate themselves for tackling the tough topics without having to take an actual stand.

Recently, however, a handful of shows have approached the issue head-on, even allowing characters to go through with the abortion. But there is always a measure of conflict and moral crisis: A 2003 episode of the WB show Everwood turned the issue around, to focus on the moral dilemma of the doctor (the show's lead character) over whether he can in good conscience perform an abortion; in the end, he decides he can't do it, and passes the case to a colleague, who does the procedure then heads off to a priest to confess his sins. Over on HBO, an episode of Six Feet Under depicted teenage lead Claire matter-of-factly getting an abortion, without endless agonizing or moral anguish - but in a subsequent episode her aborted fetus pays her a visit, appearing as a cute infant (a plot device that wasn't all that unusual, as dead people appear as hallucinations or ghosts on the show all the time). And last summer, a two-part episode of the made-in-Canada teen soap Degrassi: The Next Generation made headlines when 14-year-old lead character Manny gets pregnant, has an abortion (saying, "I'm just trying to do the right thing here. For me. For everyone, I guess"), and doesn't express any regret afterward. Alas, U.S. viewers won't get to see the show: The Viacom-owned cable channel N, which airs Degrassi in the U.S., refused to air it.

Today's Four-Letter Word

While Maude's abortion was truly groundbreaking, it inadvertently galvanized the anti-choice movement. When CBS reran the episode six months later, some 40 affiliates refused to air it, and national advertisers shied away from buying ad time, establishing a pattern that remains in effect today. Even more significantly, after the episode first aired anti-abortion leaders took their case to the Federal Communications Commission, arguing that the fairness doctrine - which mandated equal time for opposing views - ought to cover not just editorials and public affairs but entertainment programming too. Because Maude had an abortion on CBS, they argued, they should have the right to reply on CBS. They lost the case, but won the attention of the networks. In 1987, the fairness doctrine itself was struck down; but by that point, it didn't matter: The networks had established a pattern of covering their asses by presenting some semblance of balance as way of diffusing potentially volatile subjects. In the landmark episode, Maude agonizes over the decision, but her daughter reassures her, speaking in the language of the growing feminist movement: "When you were young, abortion was a dirty word. It's not anymore."

But more than 30 years later, as many of the tenets of the women's liberation movement have become accepted parts of mainstream American culture, abortion is a messy, if not exactly dirty, word. Back in 1992, when the sitcom Murphy Brown was hailed for its overt feminism and its titular character found herself unmarried and unexpectedly pregnant, the a-word was never uttered. Diane English, the show's producer, said in a June 1992 Houston Chronicle article, "She would have used the word many times, but I wanted a lot of people to watch, and certain words have become inflammatory and get in the way of people hearing what we wanted her to say." In the end, Brown had the baby, igniting the ire of Vice President Dan Quayle and disappointing many feminists. During the battle for abortion rights that culminated in the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling, public declarations were an integral tactic of the movement. In an effort to overcome the shame and silence surrounding abortion, women organized public speakouts, at which they talked openly and honestly about their illegal abortions. Abortion is a fact of life, they asserted, and it affects women of all colors, class, and religious or political belief. Over the years, however, as the anti-abortion movement has grown stronger and more organized, the pro-choice movement has struggled to regain this clarity of speech. Young women who were born after Roe continually assert that abortion is a private decision, a private choice that needn't be broadcast - an attitude that is at once true but also extremely politically naive.

Veteran TV producer Diane English acknowledged this back in February 2001, when she wondered aloud to the New York Times: "Maybe women...only had to think about their Manolo Blahniks for the past eight years under the Clinton administration. If women start to wonder if they will the lose the right to have an abortion, perhaps that attitude may change during the next four years." Sadly, it seems like it may take another four years for women to get scared - and angry - enough to demand that popular culture reflect their concerns.

Abortion in the Real World

The current state of abortion on TV reflects both mainstream American attitudes toward abortion and contemporary feminists' discord over pro-choice strategies. While poll after poll indicates that a majority of Americans support the upholding of Roe v. Wade, it's also clear that a majority of Americans have deep concerns and moral conflicts about abortion. This ambivalence is reflected in the pro-choice movement, too, as nationally recognized feminist leaders speak of the need to recognize the agony and shame that accompany abortion. Given this roiling mass of conflicting feelings and politics, it's no wonder that an hour-long drama can't get a handle on the issue. As Syracuse University's Thompson points out, "A lot of people strongly feel that there's too much sex on TV, but they will have no trouble watching an episode of Blind Date or Desperate Housewives in their own home. With abortion, those feelings aren't so easily eliminated in one's TV viewing. No [networks] want to run the risk of powerfully offending people on either side [of the issue]." As a result, what we see on TV isn't likely to satisfy anyone, no matter where they stand. Producers strive for a form of balance by always ensuring that there's a dissenting voice of some sort - a friend, relative, or authority figure who ardently asserts their anti-abortion stance. To pro-choice folks, TV's take on abortion seems unnecessarily harsh, moralizing, and punitive. With the exception of the unaired Degrassi episode, you never see a character undertake an abortion the way many women you know do: With the utter confidence that she's doing the right thing in a difficult situation. To abortion foes, TV is littered with anti-fetus propaganda that leans heavily on the choice angle while refusing to come out and declare that abortion is murder. It's a no-win situation.

Out in the real world, feminists and reproductive-rights activists are working to rescue the language of moral values from the radical right, and using it in this thorniest of issues to present the decision to have an abortion as a deeply moral one. To name just a few examples, Jennifer Baumgardner's new documentary I Had an Abortion and national news articles by feminist activist Amy Richards and novelist Ayelet Waldman detail their difficult abortion choices. For now, it's unlikely that TV viewers will ever see one of the Desperate Housewives unapologetically opting for a second-trimester abortion when she realizes her fetus has profound genetic anomalies, or one of the lissome gals on The O.C. sporting an "I had an abortion" baby tee, proclaiming that ending her pregnancy was the best decision she ever made.

The trashy, ephemeral landscape of pop culture may seem like an unimportant front in the battle for women's rights, given the injustices that befall real live women and girls every day around the world. But as the 2004 election has shown, the U.S. is in the midst of an all-out culture war, in which public language and pop images are playing a crucial role in shaping the terms of the debate. In the struggle to capture the hearts and minds of Americans, the reproductive-rights movement - like the rest of the progressive movement - needs to find new ways to present its case openly and frankly. Like death and taxes, abortion is one of the world's certainties - no matter the legal status, there will always be unintended pregnancies, and there will always be women who seek to terminate those pregnancies. After all, of the six million pregnancies each year in the U.S., half are unintended; some 47 percent of those unintended pregnancies result in abortion. And has history has shown us, not talking about it won't make it go away.



submit to reddit
Rachel Fudge is the senior editor of Bitch: Feminist Response to Pop Culture.
Email
Print
Share
Post on reddit
Post on stumbleupon
Post on facebook
Post on digg
Post on twitter
Post on delicious
LIKED THIS ARTICLE? JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST
Stay up to date with the latest Civil Liberties headlines via email


Comments are closed-

1st Reality TV Show Dived Into Abortion
Posted by: rdoboy on Apr 14, 2005 5:22 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You may or may not recall one of the first "reality" shows on television MTV's Real World. One character had an abortion while filming the show. I hate to give reality TV any credit but I must admit the Real World delved into the issue like no other show I have ever seen. The cameras were on for multiple doctor visits and even in the waiting room before and after the procedure. The characters abortion was not glossed over as we has seen in television dramas and dealt with the issue by allowing sincere reactions from cast members.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

lack of responsibility
Posted by: therob on Apr 18, 2005 1:05 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ah yes, abortion. One of the best ways a person can avoid accepting responsibility.

Abortion is quite a disgusting act. I support it only in a few instances, and I think that you probaly already know which instances I support.

How about what I don't support. A woman(or even a man), who doesn't know the definition of a condom, and looks to making things better by killing the life inside of her, or in a man's case, killing the life that he had a part in creating. And yes, it is a life. Don't make excuses to make yourself feel better about it.

It's quite a cowardly act, and it disgusts me, but like I said, I do support it. In cases like rape, or complicated pregnancies(mother is at risk, etc.), I do believe in it.

But when a woman exclaims,"It's my body!" She should be shouting, "It's my responsibility!"

Just something for you to think about... and everyone on this website to disagree with.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: Bluetopia
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: kathymoore
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: Bluetopia
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: xenacat
» RE: Your responsibility Posted by: Iamnotafruittree
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: Kym525

Comments are closed-

If only it was so simple...
Posted by: cyclone2525 on Apr 19, 2005 7:14 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I don't think there is any pro-choice person who is excited about people having abortions. I believe most of us would gladly live in a world where they never occurred. We're pro-choice, not anti-life. I would personally have a difficult time having one, but it is not my place to condemn those who do. They are doing what they feel is best at the time and yes, they are the ones who will have to be ok with their decision, not me. The previous post misses the point of abortions. Women have abortions for a multitude of reasons, selfishness (of which I do believe happens) is only a fraction of those reasons. I am lucky enough to have a wonderful husband and when I was a teenager I was lucky enough to have parents who would have been as supportive as they could be had I wound up pregnant. Not everyone is in that environment. We never know another person's circumstances. I may never need an abortion, but be damned if I'll ever support the overturning of Roe vs. Wade.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

Birth as punishment, It's YOUR opinion as to when "life" is life.
Posted by: Karieson on Apr 19, 2005 10:04 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In an ideal world we would all be perfect and do the right thing ALL THE TIME. Welcome to reality kids. We are not perfect. We give in to our wants, desires, and feelings all the time. We over eat, over spend, we speed, we are not always loving and kind to the people around us, we lose our temper, we lie. With more and more young people being taught only about abstinence in Sex Ed. it's no wonder they aren't ready with a condom or birth control when the situation overtakes them. We all have the best of intentions, we all fail to live up to our best intentions.
Some people believe that "life" and all the constitutional rights accorded to a fully formed and birthed human being should be accorded to a clot of cells starting at conception - the moment of which no one even is aware of. Many other people believe "life" starts somewhere further along. When a human being becomes sentient perhaps - another ambiguious point in time. Or others believe life begins when the human being can live on it's own, not as a parasite off it's mother. Our beliefs have just as much validity as those of you who believe differently. You believe "god" forbids abortion. I don't believe in god. Prove I'm wrong. Or prove the Jewish belief in god is wrong. Or prove the Hindu's or Muslim's belief are wrong. How do you justify that YOUR BELIEF is the only right one?
For all those who believe life begins at conception and abortion should never or very, very, very rarely occur, I have a question. Assuming we all lived in your black and white world, exactly who would be paying to take care of and keep alive all these children that were born unwanted for various reasons, rape, incest, birth defects, financial problems, emotional problems, etc. There would be thousands of children born that would need very expensive and continual medical care. There would be thousands of children born that were NOT adoptable. Who would take care of, and pay for that care? Who would be in charge of assuring that each and every child forced to be born was guaranteed a good healthy life - where they would be loved, have all their financial needs taken care of, be sure they weren't being sexually, physically or emotionally abused? How exactly would you work this all out and pay for it all? Ever think about that? You live your belief's and I respect that. Please let me live my belief's and respect me and my body.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

.
Posted by: conuly on Apr 19, 2005 10:45 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not to mention the fact that it's incredibly irresponsible to bring a child into the world which you can't take care of, or to add one more child to the already overburdened foster care system (and if your kid gets adopted, that's one more kid who DOESN'T get adopted. There's no shortage of orphaned and abandoned children out there)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: . Posted by: akwash79

Comments are closed-

Imagine this.
Posted by: akwash79 on Apr 19, 2005 10:53 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maybe a bad analogy but the first to come to my head. If your computer started deleting perfectly good sections of the hard drive you would think something was wrong with it right? This analogy might be better. If you went to a zoo and saw a pregnant ape punching her stomach and stabbing it with a stick what is the first thing you would think? what the hells wrong with that ape? I almost wish I had never heard of this term as it is very disturbing. Imagine trying to explain this to a 3 year old. A highly intellectual type of being would probably never consider such a barbaric procedure but we must face the facts that we are not as advanced as we think we are. We are merely hairless apes with advanced forms of communication that enables us the build things like cars and houses which we will prostitute ourselves in pursuit of.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Imagine this. Posted by: Samantha Vimes

Comments are closed-

FACTS FROM A RETIRED PRIVATE INVESTAGATOR
Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 19, 2005 12:08 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1. If you will look at the top of this post you will see that it is done by rachel fudge, clamor
2. clamor is a magazine.
3. clamor magazine's founder and co-editor is jen angel
4. she began by publishing her own small zine FUCKTOOTH
5. when asked if we will be seeing anymore new issues anytime soon and how FUCKTOOTH project relate to your other projects she stated: I like FUCKTOOTH a lot, its like my own personal way of expressing myself, the one thing that isn't compromised by what others want in any way.
6. these questions and answers was from an interview with jen angle by jeffrey yamaguchi
7. in clamor's "new items" in info shop is: DIRTY FOUND volume 1 [with a picture of a women posing bare from the top up with a sign which says: dirty found covering her eyes.
Below the picture it says; found magazine's deviant sibligs steps into the scene with pervy polaroids, sleazy bithday cards, raunchy to-do lists, nasty poetry on napkins, illustrations-- anything that gives a glimpse into someone else's sex life -- genital warts and all. Seriously, this is some un-sexy s_hit-- a quasi-erotic trainweak of sorts. This first installment features a found "contact" on the first page made by "tony" to himself vowing to not masturbate or be subject to punishment of "no t.v. and radio [including tapes] for one week. "that alone is worth the price of admission.
This one's for the adults, kids. Checking the box above keeps us out of trouble, y'hear

Now with those facts in mind I can read her post and get an idea of where she is coming from and how her employees are guided in their work. Then it is up to me to make a decision of if I think she would be a good advisor on abortion or a good post that points to where we need to make a change in how we should do things!!! The BIBLE SAYS: WHAT EVER IS DONE IN DARKNESS[background was not included] BRING IT TO THE LIGHT AND IT SHALL BE MADE MANIFEST!!! I just thought these facts would give us something to think about!!! MAY THE LOVE OF JESUS BE WITH YOU!!! [this has two meanings]

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

Quit gabbing.
Posted by: module0000 on Apr 20, 2005 2:00 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's your body do what you want.

All your talking and debating is useless, either:

(a) have an abortion
(b) don't have an abortion

All this debating nonsense about it is useless, you will do
what you want to do. Quit flapping your gums.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

A Christian against abortion, but NOT to overturn Roe Vs. Wade !
Posted by: Clair on Apr 21, 2005 8:46 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Wonderwaleye, while I am, from a moral point of view, opposed to abortion and a Christian myself, so wouldn't waste any time with zines like DirtyFound. But I need to call you to a (minor) point of honesty.

1) First, though, a word about my own moral framework regarding the subject of abortion: It will do our society no good to retro-legislate abortion, and go back to pre-1973. Offering support to women (and their men) in their moral and practical decision-making process should involve community agencies, counseling, spiritual care, etc, but NOT harried judges with overloaded dockets making decisions about who can or can't have an abortion. Think about the impracticality of that. Really, wouldn't it be better to take Jesus' tack: "Go (in forgiveness and freedom) and sin no more." And then provide some real help with adoption agencies, abortion in extreme circumstances, support groups, etc. Churches & synagogues must do even more, and there is nothing to stop us from offering it now!

I have needed to be supportive to my own wife who had to make an agonizing decision as a young woman, before our marriage -- she opted to have an abortion after a rape. (Yes, I'm male, even though my name is Clair - without the "e" on the end - the masculine spelling.)

2) Wonderwaleye, I followed your internet investigation and call you on your misleading point #7, since you made it sound like Jen Angel is also created or founded DirtyFound. She didn't. Here is who is behind it: http://www.dirtyfound.com/about.html It's true that they sell it in Clamor's InfoShop, and so probably condone that sort of rag, but you need to be totally accurate.

3) By the way, I'm a hospital chaplain in a city in northern Indiana, a member of a small evangelical Christian denomination, but NOT a right-wing Christian, and definitely not a Republican, though perhaps half of the people within my denomination are (though not many of its leaders.) We have a more conservative theology with a very liberal social ethic. We believe the church should be about alternatives to war, alternatives to the death penalty, alternatives to abortion, and alternatives to physician assisted suicide, etc. A seamless moral ethic for "life" from womb to tomb. There are actually quite a few of us out there. Read the best seller on the New York Times Book List: "God's Politics", by Jim Wallis, or go to www.Sojo.net

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

dawson's creek abortion
Posted by: maiaoming on Apr 22, 2005 6:21 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Great article. I just wanted to add that Dawson's Creek did deal with abortion in one of its episodes: Dawson's mother discovers she is pregnant at a very late and unexpected time in her life, just as she is starting a new business, and she tells her son she is considering her options. Dawson, like the upright/uptight boy he is, freaks out -- until the older girl he's got the hots for confesses she has had an abortion, urging him to have compassion and understanding for her, his mother, any woman facing the decision. Of course, after Dawson decides to accept whatever his mother decides, she jubilantly keeps it -- but abortion was presented as a choice, a hard choice (which it is).

Why is it hard? And why is it hard to wrestle with abortion, even mention it, on TV? Because we're a country/culture in flux. I think one of the problems with abortion has to do with the larger science vs. religion tensions in our country. We've had rapid scientific advances and discoveries, but our culture's ability to absorb these (blame Puritanism, capitalism, whatever you like) has been stunted. And I don't mean 'religion' necessarily in terms of organized religion -- I mean how we understand and know the world, and how we respond to lab studies, medical advances, etc. This is in flux, it's complicated, and it's not just the religious right vs. liberals, either -- as I discovered at a birth class, where giving birth was touted by liberal hippies as holy, and all the women were having multiple babies, enraptured by the process, very anti-Western medicine, hospitals, etc.
The idea that having a child justifies and completes a woman's existence, that motherhood is holy, that children are holy -- I thought it was just my fundamentalist mother holding to these beliefs, but no, it was core to these hippies as well -- and either way, this is a religious idea that doesn't gel with a more pragmatic, logical view of pregnancy, population, abortion, etc.

We have a lot of science out there. We have a lot of thinking out there. But there's a huge gap in the language and ideology between science and the humanities in general, and this is the source of many of the major rifts within our mass media mind...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

An old story
Posted by: 42Years on Apr 22, 2005 10:01 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Rent the movie, "Vera Drake" to catch a glimpse of abortion in London in the 1950s. Don't overlook the subtle role reversal of Vera's sister-in-law. Vera is subject to MAN-made laws that disregard a woman's point of view.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Alternet Comments:

Comments are closed-

1st Reality TV Show Dived Into Abortion
Posted by: rdoboy on Apr 14, 2005 5:22 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You may or may not recall one of the first "reality" shows on television MTV's Real World. One character had an abortion while filming the show. I hate to give reality TV any credit but I must admit the Real World delved into the issue like no other show I have ever seen. The cameras were on for multiple doctor visits and even in the waiting room before and after the procedure. The characters abortion was not glossed over as we has seen in television dramas and dealt with the issue by allowing sincere reactions from cast members.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

lack of responsibility
Posted by: therob on Apr 18, 2005 1:05 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ah yes, abortion. One of the best ways a person can avoid accepting responsibility.

Abortion is quite a disgusting act. I support it only in a few instances, and I think that you probaly already know which instances I support.

How about what I don't support. A woman(or even a man), who doesn't know the definition of a condom, and looks to making things better by killing the life inside of her, or in a man's case, killing the life that he had a part in creating. And yes, it is a life. Don't make excuses to make yourself feel better about it.

It's quite a cowardly act, and it disgusts me, but like I said, I do support it. In cases like rape, or complicated pregnancies(mother is at risk, etc.), I do believe in it.

But when a woman exclaims,"It's my body!" She should be shouting, "It's my responsibility!"

Just something for you to think about... and everyone on this website to disagree with.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: Bluetopia
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: kathymoore
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: Bluetopia
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: xenacat
» RE: Your responsibility Posted by: Iamnotafruittree
» RE: lack of responsibility Posted by: Kym525

Comments are closed-

If only it was so simple...
Posted by: cyclone2525 on Apr 19, 2005 7:14 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I don't think there is any pro-choice person who is excited about people having abortions. I believe most of us would gladly live in a world where they never occurred. We're pro-choice, not anti-life. I would personally have a difficult time having one, but it is not my place to condemn those who do. They are doing what they feel is best at the time and yes, they are the ones who will have to be ok with their decision, not me. The previous post misses the point of abortions. Women have abortions for a multitude of reasons, selfishness (of which I do believe happens) is only a fraction of those reasons. I am lucky enough to have a wonderful husband and when I was a teenager I was lucky enough to have parents who would have been as supportive as they could be had I wound up pregnant. Not everyone is in that environment. We never know another person's circumstances. I may never need an abortion, but be damned if I'll ever support the overturning of Roe vs. Wade.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

Birth as punishment, It's YOUR opinion as to when "life" is life.
Posted by: Karieson on Apr 19, 2005 10:04 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In an ideal world we would all be perfect and do the right thing ALL THE TIME. Welcome to reality kids. We are not perfect. We give in to our wants, desires, and feelings all the time. We over eat, over spend, we speed, we are not always loving and kind to the people around us, we lose our temper, we lie. With more and more young people being taught only about abstinence in Sex Ed. it's no wonder they aren't ready with a condom or birth control when the situation overtakes them. We all have the best of intentions, we all fail to live up to our best intentions.
Some people believe that "life" and all the constitutional rights accorded to a fully formed and birthed human being should be accorded to a clot of cells starting at conception - the moment of which no one even is aware of. Many other people believe "life" starts somewhere further along. When a human being becomes sentient perhaps - another ambiguious point in time. Or others believe life begins when the human being can live on it's own, not as a parasite off it's mother. Our beliefs have just as much validity as those of you who believe differently. You believe "god" forbids abortion. I don't believe in god. Prove I'm wrong. Or prove the Jewish belief in god is wrong. Or prove the Hindu's or Muslim's belief are wrong. How do you justify that YOUR BELIEF is the only right one?
For all those who believe life begins at conception and abortion should never or very, very, very rarely occur, I have a question. Assuming we all lived in your black and white world, exactly who would be paying to take care of and keep alive all these children that were born unwanted for various reasons, rape, incest, birth defects, financial problems, emotional problems, etc. There would be thousands of children born that would need very expensive and continual medical care. There would be thousands of children born that were NOT adoptable. Who would take care of, and pay for that care? Who would be in charge of assuring that each and every child forced to be born was guaranteed a good healthy life - where they would be loved, have all their financial needs taken care of, be sure they weren't being sexually, physically or emotionally abused? How exactly would you work this all out and pay for it all? Ever think about that? You live your belief's and I respect that. Please let me live my belief's and respect me and my body.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

.
Posted by: conuly on Apr 19, 2005 10:45 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not to mention the fact that it's incredibly irresponsible to bring a child into the world which you can't take care of, or to add one more child to the already overburdened foster care system (and if your kid gets adopted, that's one more kid who DOESN'T get adopted. There's no shortage of orphaned and abandoned children out there)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: . Posted by: akwash79

Comments are closed-

Imagine this.
Posted by: akwash79 on Apr 19, 2005 10:53 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maybe a bad analogy but the first to come to my head. If your computer started deleting perfectly good sections of the hard drive you would think something was wrong with it right? This analogy might be better. If you went to a zoo and saw a pregnant ape punching her stomach and stabbing it with a stick what is the first thing you would think? what the hells wrong with that ape? I almost wish I had never heard of this term as it is very disturbing. Imagine trying to explain this to a 3 year old. A highly intellectual type of being would probably never consider such a barbaric procedure but we must face the facts that we are not as advanced as we think we are. We are merely hairless apes with advanced forms of communication that enables us the build things like cars and houses which we will prostitute ourselves in pursuit of.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Imagine this. Posted by: Samantha Vimes

Comments are closed-

FACTS FROM A RETIRED PRIVATE INVESTAGATOR
Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 19, 2005 12:08 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1. If you will look at the top of this post you will see that it is done by rachel fudge, clamor
2. clamor is a magazine.
3. clamor magazine's founder and co-editor is jen angel
4. she began by publishing her own small zine FUCKTOOTH
5. when asked if we will be seeing anymore new issues anytime soon and how FUCKTOOTH project relate to your other projects she stated: I like FUCKTOOTH a lot, its like my own personal way of expressing myself, the one thing that isn't compromised by what others want in any way.
6. these questions and answers was from an interview with jen angle by jeffrey yamaguchi
7. in clamor's "new items" in info shop is: DIRTY FOUND volume 1 [with a picture of a women posing bare from the top up with a sign which says: dirty found covering her eyes.
Below the picture it says; found magazine's deviant sibligs steps into the scene with pervy polaroids, sleazy bithday cards, raunchy to-do lists, nasty poetry on napkins, illustrations-- anything that gives a glimpse into someone else's sex life -- genital warts and all. Seriously, this is some un-sexy s_hit-- a quasi-erotic trainweak of sorts. This first installment features a found "contact" on the first page made by "tony" to himself vowing to not masturbate or be subject to punishment of "no t.v. and radio [including tapes] for one week. "that alone is worth the price of admission.
This one's for the adults, kids. Checking the box above keeps us out of trouble, y'hear

Now with those facts in mind I can read her post and get an idea of where she is coming from and how her employees are guided in their work. Then it is up to me to make a decision of if I think she would be a good advisor on abortion or a good post that points to where we need to make a change in how we should do things!!! The BIBLE SAYS: WHAT EVER IS DONE IN DARKNESS[background was not included] BRING IT TO THE LIGHT AND IT SHALL BE MADE MANIFEST!!! I just thought these facts would give us something to think about!!! MAY THE LOVE OF JESUS BE WITH YOU!!! [this has two meanings]

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

Quit gabbing.
Posted by: module0000 on Apr 20, 2005 2:00 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's your body do what you want.

All your talking and debating is useless, either:

(a) have an abortion
(b) don't have an abortion

All this debating nonsense about it is useless, you will do
what you want to do. Quit flapping your gums.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

A Christian against abortion, but NOT to overturn Roe Vs. Wade !
Posted by: Clair on Apr 21, 2005 8:46 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Wonderwaleye, while I am, from a moral point of view, opposed to abortion and a Christian myself, so wouldn't waste any time with zines like DirtyFound. But I need to call you to a (minor) point of honesty.

1) First, though, a word about my own moral framework regarding the subject of abortion: It will do our society no good to retro-legislate abortion, and go back to pre-1973. Offering support to women (and their men) in their moral and practical decision-making process should involve community agencies, counseling, spiritual care, etc, but NOT harried judges with overloaded dockets making decisions about who can or can't have an abortion. Think about the impracticality of that. Really, wouldn't it be better to take Jesus' tack: "Go (in forgiveness and freedom) and sin no more." And then provide some real help with adoption agencies, abortion in extreme circumstances, support groups, etc. Churches & synagogues must do even more, and there is nothing to stop us from offering it now!

I have needed to be supportive to my own wife who had to make an agonizing decision as a young woman, before our marriage -- she opted to have an abortion after a rape. (Yes, I'm male, even though my name is Clair - without the "e" on the end - the masculine spelling.)

2) Wonderwaleye, I followed your internet investigation and call you on your misleading point #7, since you made it sound like Jen Angel is also created or founded DirtyFound. She didn't. Here is who is behind it: http://www.dirtyfound.com/about.html It's true that they sell it in Clamor's InfoShop, and so probably condone that sort of rag, but you need to be totally accurate.

3) By the way, I'm a hospital chaplain in a city in northern Indiana, a member of a small evangelical Christian denomination, but NOT a right-wing Christian, and definitely not a Republican, though perhaps half of the people within my denomination are (though not many of its leaders.) We have a more conservative theology with a very liberal social ethic. We believe the church should be about alternatives to war, alternatives to the death penalty, alternatives to abortion, and alternatives to physician assisted suicide, etc. A seamless moral ethic for "life" from womb to tomb. There are actually quite a few of us out there. Read the best seller on the New York Times Book List: "God's Politics", by Jim Wallis, or go to www.Sojo.net

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

dawson's creek abortion
Posted by: maiaoming on Apr 22, 2005 6:21 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Great article. I just wanted to add that Dawson's Creek did deal with abortion in one of its episodes: Dawson's mother discovers she is pregnant at a very late and unexpected time in her life, just as she is starting a new business, and she tells her son she is considering her options. Dawson, like the upright/uptight boy he is, freaks out -- until the older girl he's got the hots for confesses she has had an abortion, urging him to have compassion and understanding for her, his mother, any woman facing the decision. Of course, after Dawson decides to accept whatever his mother decides, she jubilantly keeps it -- but abortion was presented as a choice, a hard choice (which it is).

Why is it hard? And why is it hard to wrestle with abortion, even mention it, on TV? Because we're a country/culture in flux. I think one of the problems with abortion has to do with the larger science vs. religion tensions in our country. We've had rapid scientific advances and discoveries, but our culture's ability to absorb these (blame Puritanism, capitalism, whatever you like) has been stunted. And I don't mean 'religion' necessarily in terms of organized religion -- I mean how we understand and know the world, and how we respond to lab studies, medical advances, etc. This is in flux, it's complicated, and it's not just the religious right vs. liberals, either -- as I discovered at a birth class, where giving birth was touted by liberal hippies as holy, and all the women were having multiple babies, enraptured by the process, very anti-Western medicine, hospitals, etc.
The idea that having a child justifies and completes a woman's existence, that motherhood is holy, that children are holy -- I thought it was just my fundamentalist mother holding to these beliefs, but no, it was core to these hippies as well -- and either way, this is a religious idea that doesn't gel with a more pragmatic, logical view of pregnancy, population, abortion, etc.

We have a lot of science out there. We have a lot of thinking out there. But there's a huge gap in the language and ideology between science and the humanities in general, and this is the source of many of the major rifts within our mass media mind...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


Comments are closed-

An old story
Posted by: 42Years on Apr 22, 2005 10:01 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Rent the movie, "Vera Drake" to catch a glimpse of abortion in London in the 1950s. Don't overlook the subtle role reversal of Vera's sister-in-law. Vera is subject to MAN-made laws that disregard a woman's point of view.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

 
Advertisement
 
 
Most Read
Most Emailed
Most Discussed
On REDDIT
On DIGG
 
loading ...
POWERED BY DIGG'S USERS