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Feeling Nervous? 3,000 Behavior Detection Officers Will Be Watching You at the Airport This Thanksgiving

Nearly 100,000 passengers were pulled aside by TSA behavior watchers last year, and it remains to be proven whether you can spot terrorists by the looks on their faces.
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Here's a question to ponder the next time you're taking off your shoes at airport security: Can you spot terrorists by the look on their faces?

For the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the answer is yes. For the past few years, airports across the country have been using what many call "behavioral surveillance" to weed out potential hijackers among us, by covertly examining travelers' facial expressions and body language as they go through security. Unlike those airport employees who herd us along as we remove our shoes and relinquish all liquids over three ounces (with dubious results), this new program, named "Screening Passengers by Observational Techniques," or "SPOT," is carried out by TSA employees who have been trained to monitor travelers' faces and movements. As Americans head out of town this holiday season, more than 3,000 "Behavior Detection Officers" will be at 161 airports nationwide, watching our every move.

The TSA boasts that the SPOT program is "derivative of other successful behavioral analysis programs that have been employed by law enforcement and security personnel both in the U.S. and around the world." Yet, the success of the SPOT program remains highly questionable. This month the Washington Post reported that, in 2008 alone, Behavior Detection Officers across the country pulled 98,805 passengers aside for additional screenings, out of which 9,854 were questioned by local police. 813 were eventually arrested.

The cost of the program, according to TSA spokesperson Ann Davis, was $3.1 million.

In an e-mail correspondence with AlterNet, Davis could not say how many of the 813 arrests led to convictions -- or for that matter, whether any terrorists were caught. "Many of the SPOT cases that resulted in arrests remain under active investigation by law enforcement," she said. "TSA doesn't always hear back from the investigative agencies on the outcome of the cases so we cannot track convictions."

But as Stephen Soldz, Director of the Center for Research, Evaluation, and Program Development at the Boston Graduate School of Psychoanalysis points out, "Even if the arrests are justified, they are less than 1 percent of the total singled out. What happens to more than 9,000 who are subjected to questioning and released?"

This question cuts to the heart of protests by civil liberties advocates and others who argue that, not only is the SPOT program a violation of people's privacy, but it is actually counterproductive, a wasteful exercise in false positives.

"By the math alone, rare events are impossible to accurately detect," says Soldz. "One will either miss most of what one is interested in [false negatives] or else identify many people falsely [false positives]."

Jay Stanley, Director of Public Education for the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Program, concurs. "The problem with the SPOT program," he told AlterNet, "is that it is based on trying to stop terrorism by searching for supposed 'signs of terrorism' that are so commonplace that it results in an increase in the monitoring of individuals to no good end."

"We Need to Use Them Everywhere"

Like the Department of Homeland Security that oversees it, the SPOT program is a post-9/11 phenomenon, partly inspired by the surveillance tapes that showed the 9/11 hijackers making their way through security at Boston's Logan Airport.

According to TSA analyst Carl Maccario, each man kept his eyes low to the ground, avoiding the gaze of the airport security guards. "They all looked away and had their heads down," he told USA Today in 2005. As the federal government looked for new ways to augment its counterterror tools after the attacks, the TSA set out to develop a program that would seek to identify would-be terrorists based on this type of behavior. Like the Pentagon, FBI, and CIA, the TSA sought out an army of psychologists to lend their expertise.

Key among them was Dr. Paul Ekman, a San Francisco-based psychologist and pioneer in the study of deceit and "microexpressions" -- the subtle, involuntary ways in which our faces betray our inner emotions. Ekman received a call from Maccario in 2005. "They were really contacting everyone who was doing any kind of work in this area," he recalled, in an interview with AlterNet. Maccario asked him to come on board as an adviser to the SPOT program.

Ekman visited Logan Airport, where a pilot version of SPOT was being implemented. What he saw impressed him enough that he wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post in 2006, praising the program.

"SPOT's officers, working in pairs, stand off to the side, scanning passengers at a security checkpoint for signs of any behaviors on the officers' checklist, such as repeated patting of the chest -- which might mean that a bomb is strapped too tightly under a person's jacket -- or a micro-expression," he wrote.

Ekman argued that the 9/11 hijackers had deception written all over their faces, but that tragically, no one was in a position to detect it. "The hijackers' lies -- to visa interviewers and airport check-in workers -- succeeded largely because airport personnel weren't taught how to spot liars, he wrote. "They had to rely on their hunches. The people who might have saved the lives of many Americans were needlessly handicapped."

"Observational techniques are not a substitute for all the other techniques we now use to catch would-be terrorists," Ekman concluded. "But they add another layer to transportation security. They are now being used at fewer than one in 10 major U.S. airports. We need to use them everywhere."

Three years later, the SPOT program has been vastly expanded, going beyond airports nationwide. According to Davis, the TSA  "regularly deploys SPOT-trained officers to other transportation venues, including mass transit and rail stations."

But if the 2008 data is any indication, even trained officers cannot easily differentiate between a person who is acting nervous because he or she is, say, afraid of flying, and a nervous person who is armed and dangerous. (Even Ekman's Washington Post article described a "fidgety" man, "slumped in line, staring at the ground," who was occasionally gripped with a "momentary look of anguish." He was taken aside and questioned by Boston police, who discovered that the man was no terrorist -- his brother had just died unexpectedly, and he was on his way to his funeral.)

"Real life is not like in a spy thriller where people can magically perceive the people who have something to hide," says Stanley. "When people are asked to detect wrongdoing based on overbroad signs," he adds, "the usual result is racial profiling."

Catching Bad Guys?

The TSA has not released data on the almost 99,000 people who were pulled aside by Behavior Detection Officials, last year, or the 9,854 who were questioned by police. But for the overwhelming majority, who were innocent of any wrongdoing, the result has been harassment, aggravation, and missed flights at best, a violation of their rights at worst.

Not to mention wasted time and resources by security agents and law enforcement.

TSA spokesperson Ann Davis cites the "deterrent value" of the program as something that "cannot be overstated" -- "SPOT adds another layer of security to the airport environment and presents the terrorists with yet one more challenge they need to overcome in attempt to defeat our security system" -- but the claim is fairly impossible to prove. 


Liliana Segura is an AlterNet staff writer and editor of Rights & Liberties and World Special Coverage. http://twitter.com/LilianaSegura
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Absurd
Posted by: macdon1 on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 AM   
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My daughter once paid cash for a plane ticket several years ago. Now she is tagged for "special treatment" at the airport forever. They pull her aside every time.

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What is the point? Don't wear seat be;ts
Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 24, 2009 1:27 AM   
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Clearly, the program is no sure thing. But although probability of a car accident is low, we wear seat belts. And probability of colon cancer, breast cancer is very low so folling Segura dispense with the tests.

PErfection is in heaven or voting for progressives(joke), but we do the best we can.

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Questions
Posted by: teddy on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 AM   
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For what crime do you arrest a "would-be terrorist"?

In retrospect, you can identify terrorists - after they've done something bad, but how do you spot a would-be criminal before he's committed a crime?

Would intelligence do a better job? Is it then really smart to wait till they're at the airport?

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I'm surprised...
Posted by: adp3d on Nov 24, 2009 1:59 AM   
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...I haven't been detained yet. Not that I fly a lot but when I do I'm in a bad mood due to the erosion of my personal rights and the fact that I'm already treated as a would-be terrorist because I have to practically disrobe before getting on a plane. My wife has a metal hip joint and you can just imagine the hassle she gets as she sets off the metal detector every time. I just hate it. As we are giving up ours rights we are handing terrorists the victory they seek.

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» RE: Yeh, but that takes effort Posted by: edgar_michel

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Shoulda-Coulda-Would-be
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 24, 2009 4:11 AM   
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Obviously there is a need for weeding out the 'would-be terrorists' when living in a 'would-be democracy'.

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another reason why i will never fly again...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 24, 2009 4:28 AM   
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just think about it... if enough people just refused to fly they would have to do something about the atrocities that are done in our name!

try Busing, Car, Boat or any other method of transportation... if you really must fly hire a private aircraft from a smaller airfield it pays for itself in convience.

if enough people talked with there wallet and let TPTB know, that this is the consequences of their actions... maybe we will get some of our rights and freedoms back.

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Don't give them a dime
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 24, 2009 4:46 AM   
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There technology is bad i wouldn't give one cent to fly in there plane trap I did pay for a flight last year but I changed my mind and didn't go thank god because the plane went down These lunatics never refunded me a dime they could make there plane's safer giving us all shuts they give there military them but not us why i wonder because they just don't care to they could i told them how by making there seat's a suit and having the top open up to safely eject everyone i got no reply and neither will you because frankly these fuckers all they care about is everything but you.
Everything i said here is a fact i would even give you my flight number but i just got up if i am replied to and you ask i will'
Have a good morning there's not that many left here because these people are monsters and they want it all' They want your pretty daughters in a stall they want your boy's in a cell and i wish i never gave them a dime. I see fire coming from the sky and hell attacking from the sky trying to frighten us just like them" Please don't be afraid the god of light is here and it has a plan.

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» RE: Don't give them a dime Posted by: tony_opmoc

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United Surveillance of America
Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 5:12 AM   
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I suspect that the point to airport checks, surveillance cameras, etc., has been to acclimate us to close government watch. Before 9/11, such intrusive efforts were attempted by government, but strongly protested by citizens, and ultimately stopped by legal organizations. Before 9/11, we took it for granted that government kept normal national security measures in place; for example, they would actually monitor the airspace to keep unauthorized planes out, the way other countries do. We assumed our government and military could handle that job responsibly, and we were wrong. This instilled enough fear to enable Bush to create a surveillance network like China's -- something that wouldn't be allowed in the free countries.

We opened a "Pandora's Box", allowing government to abuse authority, setting the stage for a nice, managable dictatorship. Now we don't seem to know what to do about it. The leading legal organizations on which we always counted (ACLU, etc.) to protect our civil liberties have failed. People were largely bullied out of fighting back, afraid that the new surveillance state will record their dissent, and that this could impact their careers, etc.

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» RE: United Surveillance of America Posted by: Romantic Violence

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Freedom in the the Gestapo States of America
Posted by: alya on Nov 24, 2009 5:30 AM   
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Obviously, "freedom isn't free"! Don't you just hate that blurb? Or, "if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about it." Here's the deal with this type of police mis-behavour in airports - oh wait, TSA employees aren't the police. Mostly, they're a lot of unqualified people with little education past high school who work in the airport. Well, in Sarah Palin's America that's actually an advanced degree!
Here's the deal - if you pop 5 milligrams of diazapam you will have no worries with nervous facial ticks and you can happily zip through the line with ease. Just don't forget to put your shoes on after walking past the idiots looking for your 4 and above ounce bottles of liquids.

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Suspicious Looking Characters
Posted by: melpol on Nov 24, 2009 5:48 AM   
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Avoidance of good eye contact has alway caused job applicants to be rejected. It shows a sign of guilt and that the person is hiding something. The use of SPOT at airports is nothing new, law enforcement agents have always stopped and searched suspicious looking characters. The best way to avoid looking suspicious is to dress conservatively and hold the head up high. A broad smile on the face also helps.

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Be Afraid
Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 6:20 AM   
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If you wanted to establish a dictatorship in the US, how would you do it? Past generations resisted government control, going on strike, marching in the streets, even outright rioting. The oldest strategy for controlling populations: Divide and conquer. Pit Americans against each other, and encourage people to demonize those who aren't us. Go beyond Left vs. Right, Rich vs. Poor. Get into personal aspects of life to create distrust. Do whatever it takes to enforce conformity. For example: Smokers. They're right up there with terrorists,tobacco smoke equals nuclear fallout, and they must be fined (extreme taxation)because cigaret smoke is the leading cause of disease in the US. Right? We accept that. But think a minute: Under 20% of US adults smoke, few will develop a disease because of it, and restrictions are so stringent that most of us have NO exposure to tobacco smoke. Now contrast that with your exposure to traffic fumes. The most carcinogenic smoke is the kind with oil particles -- from traffic, not tobacco. Traffic smoke enables you to spot distant cities by the dome of yellow-gray smoke on the horizon. This is what is killing the rain forests and melting polar ice. This is the urgent issue and immediate danger, and government's response: Raise the volume on the war against smokers (and protect oil interests).

My point is that this works, and is but one example of how we are divided, pitted against each other. Any accusation, repeated often enough, will be believed, no matter how unfounded or absurd. So, we believe that being gay makes a person a pedophile, being Muslim makes a person violent, people are poor only because they're lazy ... and so on.

So always be vigilant! We are surrounded by enemies who want to harm us. Keep watch on your neighbors and report any "suspicious activity"! When your minister urges you to give to the poor, is he really not advocating socialism, perhaps a regime change, maybe even terrorism? Report it! If the president encourages children to do well in school, is he really not trying to indoctrinate them? And why does that neighbor close his curtains at night -- what's he hiding? You get my point.

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» Shackles Posted by: melpol

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blow off, spammer! Identity theft link
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 24, 2009 7:03 AM   
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that is an identity theft link. Don't click on it.

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I wish we had a much better and expanded Amtrack....
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 24, 2009 7:02 AM   
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....to allow people to avoid flying as much as possible.

Gore Vidal recently stated that "flying in America has become both terrifying and boring". I have flown a few times since 9/11, and believe-you-me the experience of taking a plane nowadays is truly excrutiating. Here I am--a farmer in my farm cap---and I am ordered to remove my shoes and belt. Grandmothers being patted-down. People confiscating my bottle of aftershave in my luggage. Having to unpack my laptop and empty my pockets into a rubber tub, then frantically trying to retrieve everything again at the end of the x-ray machine while others are pushing-up behind you.

Take my advice--take a train, a bus, or a drive if at all possible.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 24, 2009 7:17 AM   
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As California goes , so does the rest of the country. As air travel goes so does the rest of the country.
They do this because they can.Patriarchy knows no bounds, It justs keeps escalating.

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Sing it: I'm on the list.. as a likely terrorist.
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 24, 2009 7:19 AM   
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I agree with those comments which call for us not to fly if at all possible -- send a message.

I have OCD. And guess what. I act "suspicious" as just part of my daily routine. I can't even get a job because my illness prevents me from acting normally at job interviews. The cops have even stopped me on occasion just because I was acting OCD-ish. I am right out of the textbook of how to behave if you want to look like a terrorist.

Then there are all my postings to Alternet....

Will I EVER fly? No f***in' way! (They TORTURE potential "terrorists" now days, you know!)

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Lets Have Some Real Statistics With Regards To This Monstrous Personal Intrusion At Airports
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 24, 2009 7:37 AM   
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Many Millions of completely innocent people have been subjected to all kinds of humiliation at airports since 9/11.

How many real terrorists have been detected, identified, and prosecuted as a result of such measures?

There may well be a few, but it is certainly less than 1 in a Million. The authorities may argue, that because of the security measures that terrorists don't try and board aircraft.

But if you think about this, it is bollocks. First of all, if you really want a job as a baggage handler or an aircraft toilet cleaner, its as easy as being an illegal immigrant and gaining employment by a Government minister in her home.

It is a well known fact with regards to how people carry drugs. I think the term "mules" is used. If you accept the belief that terrorists actually want to kill themselves and all on board, well what's to stop them using similar techniques and going to the toilet to have a crap? They can buy everything else they need in duty free.

The next stage of course, if you want to travel by air at all, will be routine stripping completely naked in airport security, and subjection to internal body searches.

The real issue actually escapes examination because of the psychological effect of 9/11 where aircraft were considered to be the weapons.

But what is actually so special about aircraft that they need such ridiculous security measures?

Are aircraft more important than schools or hospitals?

What is to stop someone sneaking into a school or hospital and doing something incredibly dastardly that would potentially kill many thousands? It doesn't take much of an imagination to think of all sorts of possible means of terrorist attack.

The reality is that hardly anyone actually wants to commit such a terrorist attack, and a large percentage of those that do are working for government intelligence services using military explosives or other government supported bioweapons.

I myself have been selected for special attention and interrogation. I think the reason was not because I was in anyway looking or acting suspiciously, but that I simply didn't have any local currency. I had spent it all in bartering for a present for a friend. I said - well this is all I have, and so a price was agreed - everything.

But at the airport, it is customary to tip the porters. Even if you insist you do not want a porter, you are tricked into having one. Of course then they them want paying. If you haven't got any money to pay them, the word will spread to their family/friends in security, and you will be given a hard time.

In fact that is twice I have been through an airport with no money. The last time was when it was all stolen by a pickpocket. Fortunately they didn't take my passport or airline ticket. It did however seriously piss me off.

Tony

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The Appearance of Security
Posted by: Triton on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 AM   
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The question I would like an answer to is what is the incidence of false positives in this program. That is, for how many true security identifications made; how many false security identifications are made. Similarly, of all the shoes passed through scanners, how many objects of true concern have been identified? The government will never provide us with answers to these questions because they would clearly demonstrate that these programs are a total waste of time and money. If we had a screening test for a cancer which yielded 1000 false positives for every true positive it's unlikely that it would be applied to the general population. The current screening tests employed at our airports provide us with the appearance of security rather than with effective security. In addition they allow government goons, who have nothing better to do the opportunity to harrass innocent citizens. Just another demonstration of the power the government can exert whenever it chooses to do so.

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Get Real??
Posted by: vade_dyset on Nov 24, 2009 7:53 AM   
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My theory--> Like most of what happens at airport security, this is hand waving. Once you've been identified, say by your credit card (cash upsets their world), they can find out just about everything they need to know about you. Any profiling is done beforehand by a computer program. Beyond making a positive ID and determining whether or not you're unbalanced, the remainder is for show.

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Ekman works for FOX. Enough said.
Posted by: tatamchwh on Nov 24, 2009 8:14 AM   
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A quote from this article: "He is an adviser on the new FOX drama 'Lie to Me', which is is based on him and his work; Ekman is an adviser on every script and writes critiques of each episode on his website." Rupert Murdoch is a foreign-born traitor who wants to make a fascist dictatorship here in the USA. Ekman has shown himself to be one of Murdoch's operatives in this effort.

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This is so absurd!
Posted by: marusasma on Nov 24, 2009 8:17 AM   
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I am NOT nor have I ever been a fan of this so-called "war on terror", the Patriot Act or Patriot Act II. The United States is no longer a democracy. A few years back when I was going to NYC (prior to 911)for a business meeting and had missed my flight because of poor directions, I had to go back to the ticket counter to exchange the first ticket for another and was in danger of missing that flight. Since I had already gone through the whole bag proceedure, I asked if I could leave the bag in full view of the screeners (the airport was not busy that night) and they said that I had to bring it with me. When I commented that I was no terriorist, just a nurse, they said that they could arrest me on the spot. For what? I missed one flight, going to miss another and trying to cut down on time and these bozos are threatening me with arrest for something that I'm not? Let me tell you something. This Ekman is a dangerous and paranoid nutcase that has the ear of equally dangerous and paranoid people. The truth of the matter is that if somebody is hell bent on being a kamikaze, they aren't going to look nervous becuase they've already made their peace. I'm sorry, but if a person is a good enough liar, you aren't going to catch them either as I also know first hand, because I was a victim of one. Sociopaths can be so charming when they want to be. All this is doing is creating havoc and hurting a lot of innocent people while the real criminals go free or have already figured out other means to get the job done. I think that the TSA should drop this ridiculous program as it doesn't work. This is not about keeping people safe. If they really wanted to do that, they would do a better job on safety issues and lack of appropriate maintenance on airplanes and such. The money would be better spent. As a friend of mine said, "Its gotten so out of hand that the only places I would go is someplace warm so I could wear flip-flops." I've already gone through terror at an airport when the plane we were on was surrounded by military personnel with machine guns trained on us, and who forced out to get out of the plane on the tarmac. We were forced to sit on the hot pavement for about an hour with machine guns trained on us while they searched the plane for God only knows what and didn't find it. We were also in a foreign country to boot. I didn't really look up or around or did anything to bring attention to myself nor do I think anybody else did. This is just the same sort of victimized terror tactics that have been foisted on us and when people start complaining, another so-called "terror" incident is staged.

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George Carlin
Posted by: sunnywater on Nov 24, 2009 8:25 AM   
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All of this airport security--the cameras, the questions, the screenings, the searches--is just one more way of reducing your liberty and reminding you that they can fuck with you anytime they want. Because that's the way Americans are now. They're willing to trade away a little of their freedom in exchange for the feeling---the illusion---of security.

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Psychic Detectives
Posted by: HslashK on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM   
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The Men Who Stare At People

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Hidden numbers?...
Posted by: L5 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM   
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The statement below, from the article, only indicates the number arrested...not how many or if any were convicted or what they were charged with. That this information is missing doesn't speak well as to the effectiveness of this questionable program...

"Behavior Detection Officers across the country pulled 98,805 passengers aside for additional screenings, out of which 9,854 were questioned by local police. 813 were eventually arrested."

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Nov 24, 2009 8:54 AM   
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Spot is a dog and I am sure this program is too. Is there no better way for our government to spend the money we do not have than on junk like this. Next maybe they will be holding seances by the gates to weed out bad spirits.

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It's social engineeering
Posted by: lclark on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM   
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It’s all about surveillance of citizens and social engineering to accept government intimidation.

They used to take my lighter at the airport. Then they had a problem disposing of them all so now I get to keep my lighter.

I’ve been sent back to the ticket counter because my ticket said “Larry” and my license said “Lawrence”.

I’ve watched people say “Sir” repeatedly in nervous submission to badges and policing authority.
I’ve been stopped at more roadblocks in the last 2 years than the previous 20 in my locale.

I have an EZ-pass for toll roads. That is uniform technology that can track my travel in my car in many parts of the country.

My cell phone has technology that can locate me if it has a battery in it. The technology was introduced by government mandate. Now that it is public knowledge the phone companies offer it a service to track the location of children, but the tracking capability was there for many years previously.

Surveillance cameras has been increasingly deployed in more public spaces.

Emailed and web access can and is monitored.

Along with the above we’ve seen the entrenchment of a elite class that controls 95% of the wealth of this country.

What a disgusting web of “Big Brother” technologies.

I don’t doubt these technologies can be used to banish a misbehaving politician as well who doesn’t “get with the program”.

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More of the bogus "war on terra(tm)"
Posted by: chetdude on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 AM   
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Welcome to the 21st Century Reich -- the new police state.

Get used to it folks, you've allowed them to take your souls...

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911 Initiated the Collapse of the American Economy
Posted by: edgar_michel on Nov 24, 2009 10:06 AM   
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I want to first say that Wolfram Research came out with a new research tool called WolframAlpha. In the demo they demonstrate how to compare GDP of two different countries. After watching the demo, I tried it myself. What struck me is that no matter what country I compared the United States to; the GDP of the United State with respect to that country began a precipitous decline beginning in the last half of 2001. And the decline is precipitous and uninterrupted except for comparisons with the UK, Germany and the entire EU where there is a little bump of less decline at the start of the Afghanistan invasion in 2002 and the Iraqi invasion in 2003, but then quickly returns to rapid decline. Pakistan's GDP with respect to the United States has tripled since 9/11; China's has more than tripled. I get the same result for almost every country save for Mexico and North Korea. In other words in terms of real wealth, the United States has been in a precipitous decline since 9/11 regardless of the boom in the housing market, regardless of Wall Street records. In fact it appears that Wall Street is completely disconnected from the United States economy.

The other thing relevant to this article is that there were no surveillance cameras at Boston Logan International Airport. See "http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp? timeline=complete_911_timeline&investigations: _a_detailed_look=penttbom” Complete 911 Timeline: September 29, 2001: No Video Cameras in Boston’s Logan Airport; Footage from Other Airports Remains Classified (It is reported that Boston’s Logan Airport has no cameras in its terminals, gate areas, or concourses. It is possibly the only major airport in the US not to have such cameras. The two other airports used by the hijackers to launch the 9/11 attacks had security cameras, but only some footage of the hijackers in the Washington airport is leaked to the press in 2004. [BOSTON HERALD, 9/29/2001] It was previously reported that FBI agents had “examined footage from dozens of cameras at the three airports [including Logan] where the terrorists boarded the aircraft.” [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 9/13/2001])

It would appear to me that the United States was a liability in terms of global financial institutions. The United States had an aging middle class population with retirement benefits to be paid, IRA's etc. that would heavily tax the ability of those institutions to meet their obligations. At the same time labor costs were high in the United States and community protection regulations were cutting steeply into profit margins. Therefore the United States had to be dumped in favor of a country like China that had much more liberal labor and community protection laws, and no aging well paid population, greatly improving prospective profitability. So 9/11 was hatched as a mechanism to begin the transfer of wealth out of the United State into the accounts of international institutions in countries more favorable to their to their (international financial institution, “banks without borders”) economic well being.

When American’s finally wake up they will be furious; hence the need to create a sophisticated security system (even using psychological profiling) to contain that explosive anger when it erupts.

When I compare the GDP of the United States to the GDP of Africa, I get a curve that suggests that the GDP of the United States will be at parity with the GDP of Africa in five to ten years.

Re-Open the investigation of 9/11; what will be learned might save this country.

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Canada spending $20+ million for *NAKED 'backscatter' BODY SCANNERS*
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 AM   
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yeah baby!

more American paranoia, lockdown nation funding & NAKED BODY SCANNER TECHNOLOGY!

yeah.

baby.

gimme more of those live like a warcriminal *if you wanna travel & exercise your rights to freedom of movement!* bullshit.

THANK YOU AMERICA!

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Fuck No, I ain't Nervous....I feel safer
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 AM   
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...and Goddammit, I jes love the sound of jackboots reverberating down the corridors..."Papieren Bitte"!

Gives me a warm, moist feelin' especially at the holidays...und so stolz, ein Amerikaner zu sein!

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S
Posted by: Constitution on Nov 24, 2009 11:55 AM   
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I read one response that makes sense which we follow we don't fly anymore. When they started this country they have all the powers broken up. That's the only way you can have freedom so until you get rid of homeland security or should we say the secret police. They'll be no freedom.

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I guess..
Posted by: KAvatar on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM   
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I guess a new way of creating more "jobs" in "Security" area ?

What is next every neighborhood will have one of this "Behavior Detection Officers" ? or they already have them implanted in society !!

Though what is left in citizens life which is not known to "Agency" , we have or given Credit cards, Phone and Cell phones (taped !!), GPS, Internet, Emails, Travel records... most of the records are logged. "Agency" owns biggest data storage capacity and are planning to increase further.

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RE: Don't give them a dime Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 PM   
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Tony just tell that to the 40o+ people that could have been saved by a remote control device that was a part of my plan and to all the other 9000 people that went down in the last five years and where are all the complaints that i never heard from the people that where on the 911 plane's because they where rally bombs shut up you are a bad tony'

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scanners
Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM   
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I would imagine the scanning equipment is intensive too at large events. Just what the long term effects of being scanned everywhere constantly who knows. They also scan for future events maybe year in advance. Like Cheney they can know something will be there and where it will be but not when it will be there with absolute certainty. Same with mushrooming clouds on the horizon.

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I'll PAY EXTRA to fly & NOT ENTER US AIRSPACE
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM   
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I'm getting *fucking tired* of Americans deciding that the REST of the World has to live in LockDown Airlines

because AMERICANS bring on World Terrorism.

You know what?

I'll PAY MORE FOR MY AIRFARE if that airline could guarantee we
d avoid entering US Airspace where the US justifies treating me like meat or a maximum security prison offender.

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Give 'em a Break
Posted by: garyfee on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM   
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Come on, you guys. We all know that the TSA is a Public Works program for people who are too stupid to work at Walmart and too surly to work at Hardy's. Haven't we been demanding that Barry create more jobs? I've been thinking of applying, but couldn't decide between Shoe Sniffer or Cavity Searcher. Thanks to this article I now know that I want to be in the Ministry of Silly Walks!

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We need an experiment to debunk this shit
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM   
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I bet if we cobbled together a horde of people with Tourette's syndrome, OCD, BP, Asbergers, ADD & ADHD and some good ole fashion introverts (like me) we could totally fuck over the SPOT system's "efficacy."

Since 2001 I've flown maybe 2 or 3 times (someone else bought tix for this and that... I sure as hell can't afford a plane ticket, let alone have that much time off work to go someplace other than work in the first place). Each and every time I spent time being questioned and each and every time law enforcement was confident I was a turrish.

Best line in the piece says it all: Tthe TSA boasts that the SPOT program is "derivative of other successful behavioral analysis programs that have been employed by law enforcement and security personnel both in the U.S. and around the world."

Classic. 'Merkaans always tryin' to reinvent the wheel... like when MLS came up with the 'Merkaanized innovation to soccer to use a count-down clock and a bizzare "shootout" instead of Kicks-from-the-mark (a.k.a. colloquially as "PKs"). Fuckin' idiots. At least MLS figured out that was dumb and switched back to the way the rest of the planet plays football. I won't hold my breath for TSA to do the same.

You ever talk to a TSA employee? Biggest buncha fuckin' paranoid delusionals in the world.

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pseudoscience
Posted by: zugzwang on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM   
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This screening method is providing a 99% rate of false positives. They are relying on quack 'science' of reading body language, and their own results show how unreliable their system is. No information about what the 1% arrest cases, which suggests that NONE were for terrorist related activity, because I'm sure they'd be crowing about any such cases.

They certainly are setting low benchmarks for success. And claiming success for deterrence echoes the old Cheney argument that you can't prove the absence of WMD in Iraq just because no one every found any... Same old malarkey!

As for people being unable to mask their emotions... have you ever seen an actor? lawyer? teacher? doctor? parent? Many people do this successfully daily. The would-be terrorist just has to think about lunch as he sails through security.

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DNA Samples Taken At Airport Gate
Posted by: melpol on Nov 24, 2009 2:26 PM   
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By the year 2015 every American will have their DNA recorded. No longer will there be any need for an ID card. A painless blood sample will quickly be taken, and the history of the person displayed in less than 5 seconds. It will make law enforcement a breeze.

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Great job, Bushie
Posted by: drcyflowers on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM   
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Why do we get treated like terrorists at our own airports, just because Bush was asleep at the wheel on September 11th?

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Where's The Bomber?
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM   
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oh! oh! I spotted him, it's the guy in the Hawaiian shirt who looks like he shit his pants!

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I can just see them pulling me out
Posted by: harpy on Nov 24, 2009 4:51 PM   
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I have a genetic tremor (Essential Tremor, a pre-existing condition not covered by BC/BS) and when I'm in a hurry or stressed my hands shake. People mistake it for nervousness, and these guys would think me suspicious for that alone! Except I tend to look people in the eye and challenge them, which they might think was suspicious also.

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My son got a call last week
Posted by: harpy on Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM   
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that the police were in his house. They came in without a warrant, and started searching his computer. Why? My 14 year old grandson had posted song lyrics on his MySpace page that they decided were violent and indicative of a plan to "do something" at school! Some parent had seen them and complained and instead of contacting my son about it, they just went over there after he left for work, entered without knocking and started questioning a 14 year old with no attorney or permission! They confiscated the computer so they could search it and have told him they weren't pressing charges against my grandson (what for, thought crime of posting lyrics?)but haven't returned the computer yet. ACLU we need you!
So now this kid will forever be leary and afraid to express his thoughts. What if Stephen King had been treated that way when he was a kid? They want to desensitive all of us to believe we have no civilians' rights.

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TSA--Thousands Standing Around
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM   
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I've stopped flying--figured I was on the list anyway. I just hope taxpayers aren't being dunned for this expense and that it is covered by the ticket buyer and the airlines.

We subsidize air travel through airport construction, special tax expenditures, etc. This should end--and, I think banks get favored tax treatment for buying planes and leasing them to the airlines, or they used to...

...Banking activity has been subsidized through the tax code for far too long and it is time to rationalize the functions now haphazardly and inefficiently carried out by the banks at tremendous cost to the people in a way that serves the people and not the bankers--this extends to home loans in particular where Americans get a crappy mortgage interest deduction for paying Usury to scum, thanks to the transfer to private banks of the money-creating powers that rest with the sovereign. A banker talking about a "free market" is like Madonna talking about "chastity."

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TSA : To Say Again
Posted by: Dominic Jermano on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM   
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I wonder why TSA can not spot a lying politician in our midst? Afterall there are still many unanswered questions of 911 that the Bush administration quelched, and Obama Admin. is afraid to review. There is ample evidence that many of the so called hijackers that day are still alive....and that the FBI does not have binLadin wanted for the 911 attack. Also binLadin did not do the attacks on the US Embassy in Kenya and Tanzania. The CIA ordered it...so to bring about and escalate concerns toward increased military spending for the US and it's property abroad.

Many as I; really believe Bush orchestrated 911...along with Cheney in his stand-down order that day. 911 was and is an inside job. No doubt in my mind.

And to think TSA is going to be able to spot a terrorist is quite naive on their part.
Just the mere physical ability of someone to overpower a plane could be achieved. An organized group of strong guys with no guns or weapons could overpower a plane together quite easily. Cabin doors can easily be kicked in, or windows on the plane smashed out.

You would think security in the US would stop their foolishness and realize it was planned by the Bush Op.

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Posted by: dealmeinfo5 on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 PM   
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I think they should do profiling, however doing random spot checks is stupid I think. When they are searching people that are 90 years old, its like common.





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Just watch Hollywood movies
Posted by: richholland on Nov 24, 2009 11:31 PM   
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the terrorist wears a beard, or didnt shave some days.
He has a bad hairdresher,

The hero stays clean shaven, looks always honest and brave.

arabterorists have beards like Bin Laden.
mexican drugdealers have big moustaches.
According the Washington Superscript drugsdealers with beards and mexican drugsdealers without a big moustache get fined.

my 86 years old mother came in trouble at the airport with a nailclipper.
For Tony Opmoc ; is there still the billboard at Heathrow telling if you call the guards names or you shout at them you will be considered as a terrorist???

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What a waste
Posted by: austex_chris on Nov 24, 2009 11:44 PM   
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Trying to prevent terrorism with this kind of security is like trying to prevent murders by randomly handing out bullet proof vests. It's a waste of time and money.

How about this for anti-terrorism? We stop invading countries in the Middle East. Or how about we convince Israel to stop building settlements? No, can't do that? Then just try to randomly catch terrorists through random checks. Tell me how that works out.

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Mind your p's and q's (and every other letter!)
Posted by: talkville on Nov 25, 2009 3:18 AM   
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What better laboratory than the really existing airports around the country? For Reasearch and Development, I mean.

That small, tiny germ that sprouted way back in 20's and 30's of last century called "behaviorism" or "behavior analysis" or any number of other euphemisms has certainly bloomed into a very healthy, vibrant and still-growing bloom. Nowadays, all kinds of 'technicians', teamed-up and singly, technologically well equipped and savvy, are putting into practice much all that knowledge and information -- valid or not! -- that has accumulated since those days in these areas. These accumulations of knowledge and information, of course, are by now called "intellectual property" and are owned and controlled by a host of private capitalists (who hold that "capital" securely in place by continually perfected legislation).

Is their use and application in the service of health or well-being? Nope; its in the service of control, 'governance' and rule. Once 'proven' in fixed areas like airports or schools, or other 'captive audiences', they're generalized and put into effect upon all of us in every aspect of our lives. For money.

And pretty much sooner rather than later, all of our behaviors and idiosyncracies, our expressions and demeanors, our character so to speak, will be largely determined (thus predictable and regulable and normalized), and Papa and Mama Capital will be able to ensure that the children are behaving as they should, spending their Allowance on those things pre-determined as 'good' and 'wholesome' and 'positive'.

And we all can say how free we are, in this freest of all possible worlds, p's and q's and every other letter exactly as acceptable and appropriate to those new Masters of our Universe.

Stimulus-Response, and conditioning; that's all it is.

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TSA = BS
Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 9:03 AM   
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Funny how many sheeple will allow their water/shampoo/extra baby formula/whatever to be taken away from them because they fly. What crap.
The proof that these items are not really dangerous stares them in the face. Does the TSA/KGB label the forbidden/suspect/dangerous items with the owners information? Are these items tested? Heck no. It's tossed into trash bins, hauled off on regular trash trucks and buried in a landfill or dragged out into the ocean.
What a pity so many in the land of the free are so stupid. But, they are making the war machine producers rich while bankrupting the country.
Lets try this. Allow the public to choose. If you are afraid, pay extra for "secure" flights. Let those just trying to travel from point A to point B without fear buy lower priced tickets to fly without the BS.

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Dog Anxiety
Posted by: Collielady on Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM   
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I know I'll appear anxious because I'll be mentally reviewing the dog sitter instructions and wondering if I covered all the details. I hope the officers understand that dogs are responsible for more than missing homework.

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the people who post here dont think
Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 25, 2009 6:13 PM   
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if we take the critique of security at airports, building etc then why not have no checking at all. Any checking is violation of your rights; it is only a matter of degree; xraying your luggage is minimal degree; checking your socks is maximum. So if you take the :rights: viewpoint, then we do nothing. You want to take that risk with let us 1000 hassans in this country willing to blow themselves.
What it comes down is a matter of degree. That is a judgement call.

In ww2, there were blackouts; you had to turn off your lights or have very heavy curtains. As a an individual you have the right to risk your life, but you don't have the right to risk others; hence, if you take the risk of having your lights on, others will suffer; so we restrict your freedom.
The same applies to airports. There is no magic answer to the extent of searches. But the principle remains.

If you have certain infectious diseases such as TB, we can restrict your freedom of movment by quarantine to protect others. We cant force you to take the medecine. This analogy applies to airport security. We restrict freedom by searches and delays to minimize mass killing.

Solution. IF you don't care for delays and searches, then drive yhour car or bike.

life is not a bowl of cherries. There are always tradeoffs.

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Absurd
Posted by: macdon1 on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 AM   
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My daughter once paid cash for a plane ticket several years ago. Now she is tagged for "special treatment" at the airport forever. They pull her aside every time.

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What is the point? Don't wear seat be;ts
Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 24, 2009 1:27 AM   
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Clearly, the program is no sure thing. But although probability of a car accident is low, we wear seat belts. And probability of colon cancer, breast cancer is very low so folling Segura dispense with the tests.

PErfection is in heaven or voting for progressives(joke), but we do the best we can.

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Questions
Posted by: teddy on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 AM   
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For what crime do you arrest a "would-be terrorist"?

In retrospect, you can identify terrorists - after they've done something bad, but how do you spot a would-be criminal before he's committed a crime?

Would intelligence do a better job? Is it then really smart to wait till they're at the airport?

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I'm surprised...
Posted by: adp3d on Nov 24, 2009 1:59 AM   
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...I haven't been detained yet. Not that I fly a lot but when I do I'm in a bad mood due to the erosion of my personal rights and the fact that I'm already treated as a would-be terrorist because I have to practically disrobe before getting on a plane. My wife has a metal hip joint and you can just imagine the hassle she gets as she sets off the metal detector every time. I just hate it. As we are giving up ours rights we are handing terrorists the victory they seek.

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Shoulda-Coulda-Would-be
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 24, 2009 4:11 AM   
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Obviously there is a need for weeding out the 'would-be terrorists' when living in a 'would-be democracy'.

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another reason why i will never fly again...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 24, 2009 4:28 AM   
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just think about it... if enough people just refused to fly they would have to do something about the atrocities that are done in our name!

try Busing, Car, Boat or any other method of transportation... if you really must fly hire a private aircraft from a smaller airfield it pays for itself in convience.

if enough people talked with there wallet and let TPTB know, that this is the consequences of their actions... maybe we will get some of our rights and freedoms back.

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Don't give them a dime
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 24, 2009 4:46 AM   
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There technology is bad i wouldn't give one cent to fly in there plane trap I did pay for a flight last year but I changed my mind and didn't go thank god because the plane went down These lunatics never refunded me a dime they could make there plane's safer giving us all shuts they give there military them but not us why i wonder because they just don't care to they could i told them how by making there seat's a suit and having the top open up to safely eject everyone i got no reply and neither will you because frankly these fuckers all they care about is everything but you.
Everything i said here is a fact i would even give you my flight number but i just got up if i am replied to and you ask i will'
Have a good morning there's not that many left here because these people are monsters and they want it all' They want your pretty daughters in a stall they want your boy's in a cell and i wish i never gave them a dime. I see fire coming from the sky and hell attacking from the sky trying to frighten us just like them" Please don't be afraid the god of light is here and it has a plan.

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United Surveillance of America
Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 5:12 AM   
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I suspect that the point to airport checks, surveillance cameras, etc., has been to acclimate us to close government watch. Before 9/11, such intrusive efforts were attempted by government, but strongly protested by citizens, and ultimately stopped by legal organizations. Before 9/11, we took it for granted that government kept normal national security measures in place; for example, they would actually monitor the airspace to keep unauthorized planes out, the way other countries do. We assumed our government and military could handle that job responsibly, and we were wrong. This instilled enough fear to enable Bush to create a surveillance network like China's -- something that wouldn't be allowed in the free countries.

We opened a "Pandora's Box", allowing government to abuse authority, setting the stage for a nice, managable dictatorship. Now we don't seem to know what to do about it. The leading legal organizations on which we always counted (ACLU, etc.) to protect our civil liberties have failed. People were largely bullied out of fighting back, afraid that the new surveillance state will record their dissent, and that this could impact their careers, etc.

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Freedom in the the Gestapo States of America
Posted by: alya on Nov 24, 2009 5:30 AM   
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Obviously, "freedom isn't free"! Don't you just hate that blurb? Or, "if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about it." Here's the deal with this type of police mis-behavour in airports - oh wait, TSA employees aren't the police. Mostly, they're a lot of unqualified people with little education past high school who work in the airport. Well, in Sarah Palin's America that's actually an advanced degree!
Here's the deal - if you pop 5 milligrams of diazapam you will have no worries with nervous facial ticks and you can happily zip through the line with ease. Just don't forget to put your shoes on after walking past the idiots looking for your 4 and above ounce bottles of liquids.

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Suspicious Looking Characters
Posted by: melpol on Nov 24, 2009 5:48 AM   
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Avoidance of good eye contact has alway caused job applicants to be rejected. It shows a sign of guilt and that the person is hiding something. The use of SPOT at airports is nothing new, law enforcement agents have always stopped and searched suspicious looking characters. The best way to avoid looking suspicious is to dress conservatively and hold the head up high. A broad smile on the face also helps.

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Be Afraid
Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 6:20 AM   
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If you wanted to establish a dictatorship in the US, how would you do it? Past generations resisted government control, going on strike, marching in the streets, even outright rioting. The oldest strategy for controlling populations: Divide and conquer. Pit Americans against each other, and encourage people to demonize those who aren't us. Go beyond Left vs. Right, Rich vs. Poor. Get into personal aspects of life to create distrust. Do whatever it takes to enforce conformity. For example: Smokers. They're right up there with terrorists,tobacco smoke equals nuclear fallout, and they must be fined (extreme taxation)because cigaret smoke is the leading cause of disease in the US. Right? We accept that. But think a minute: Under 20% of US adults smoke, few will develop a disease because of it, and restrictions are so stringent that most of us have NO exposure to tobacco smoke. Now contrast that with your exposure to traffic fumes. The most carcinogenic smoke is the kind with oil particles -- from traffic, not tobacco. Traffic smoke enables you to spot distant cities by the dome of yellow-gray smoke on the horizon. This is what is killing the rain forests and melting polar ice. This is the urgent issue and immediate danger, and government's response: Raise the volume on the war against smokers (and protect oil interests).

My point is that this works, and is but one example of how we are divided, pitted against each other. Any accusation, repeated often enough, will be believed, no matter how unfounded or absurd. So, we believe that being gay makes a person a pedophile, being Muslim makes a person violent, people are poor only because they're lazy ... and so on.

So always be vigilant! We are surrounded by enemies who want to harm us. Keep watch on your neighbors and report any "suspicious activity"! When your minister urges you to give to the poor, is he really not advocating socialism, perhaps a regime change, maybe even terrorism? Report it! If the president encourages children to do well in school, is he really not trying to indoctrinate them? And why does that neighbor close his curtains at night -- what's he hiding? You get my point.

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blow off, spammer! Identity theft link
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 24, 2009 7:03 AM   
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that is an identity theft link. Don't click on it.

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I wish we had a much better and expanded Amtrack....
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 24, 2009 7:02 AM   
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....to allow people to avoid flying as much as possible.

Gore Vidal recently stated that "flying in America has become both terrifying and boring". I have flown a few times since 9/11, and believe-you-me the experience of taking a plane nowadays is truly excrutiating. Here I am--a farmer in my farm cap---and I am ordered to remove my shoes and belt. Grandmothers being patted-down. People confiscating my bottle of aftershave in my luggage. Having to unpack my laptop and empty my pockets into a rubber tub, then frantically trying to retrieve everything again at the end of the x-ray machine while others are pushing-up behind you.

Take my advice--take a train, a bus, or a drive if at all possible.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 24, 2009 7:17 AM   
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As California goes , so does the rest of the country. As air travel goes so does the rest of the country.
They do this because they can.Patriarchy knows no bounds, It justs keeps escalating.

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Sing it: I'm on the list.. as a likely terrorist.
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 24, 2009 7:19 AM   
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I agree with those comments which call for us not to fly if at all possible -- send a message.

I have OCD. And guess what. I act "suspicious" as just part of my daily routine. I can't even get a job because my illness prevents me from acting normally at job interviews. The cops have even stopped me on occasion just because I was acting OCD-ish. I am right out of the textbook of how to behave if you want to look like a terrorist.

Then there are all my postings to Alternet....

Will I EVER fly? No f***in' way! (They TORTURE potential "terrorists" now days, you know!)

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Lets Have Some Real Statistics With Regards To This Monstrous Personal Intrusion At Airports
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 24, 2009 7:37 AM   
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Many Millions of completely innocent people have been subjected to all kinds of humiliation at airports since 9/11.

How many real terrorists have been detected, identified, and prosecuted as a result of such measures?

There may well be a few, but it is certainly less than 1 in a Million. The authorities may argue, that because of the security measures that terrorists don't try and board aircraft.

But if you think about this, it is bollocks. First of all, if you really want a job as a baggage handler or an aircraft toilet cleaner, its as easy as being an illegal immigrant and gaining employment by a Government minister in her home.

It is a well known fact with regards to how people carry drugs. I think the term "mules" is used. If you accept the belief that terrorists actually want to kill themselves and all on board, well what's to stop them using similar techniques and going to the toilet to have a crap? They can buy everything else they need in duty free.

The next stage of course, if you want to travel by air at all, will be routine stripping completely naked in airport security, and subjection to internal body searches.

The real issue actually escapes examination because of the psychological effect of 9/11 where aircraft were considered to be the weapons.

But what is actually so special about aircraft that they need such ridiculous security measures?

Are aircraft more important than schools or hospitals?

What is to stop someone sneaking into a school or hospital and doing something incredibly dastardly that would potentially kill many thousands? It doesn't take much of an imagination to think of all sorts of possible means of terrorist attack.

The reality is that hardly anyone actually wants to commit such a terrorist attack, and a large percentage of those that do are working for government intelligence services using military explosives or other government supported bioweapons.

I myself have been selected for special attention and interrogation. I think the reason was not because I was in anyway looking or acting suspiciously, but that I simply didn't have any local currency. I had spent it all in bartering for a present for a friend. I said - well this is all I have, and so a price was agreed - everything.

But at the airport, it is customary to tip the porters. Even if you insist you do not want a porter, you are tricked into having one. Of course then they them want paying. If you haven't got any money to pay them, the word will spread to their family/friends in security, and you will be given a hard time.

In fact that is twice I have been through an airport with no money. The last time was when it was all stolen by a pickpocket. Fortunately they didn't take my passport or airline ticket. It did however seriously piss me off.

Tony

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The Appearance of Security
Posted by: Triton on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 AM   
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The question I would like an answer to is what is the incidence of false positives in this program. That is, for how many true security identifications made; how many false security identifications are made. Similarly, of all the shoes passed through scanners, how many objects of true concern have been identified? The government will never provide us with answers to these questions because they would clearly demonstrate that these programs are a total waste of time and money. If we had a screening test for a cancer which yielded 1000 false positives for every true positive it's unlikely that it would be applied to the general population. The current screening tests employed at our airports provide us with the appearance of security rather than with effective security. In addition they allow government goons, who have nothing better to do the opportunity to harrass innocent citizens. Just another demonstration of the power the government can exert whenever it chooses to do so.

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Get Real??
Posted by: vade_dyset on Nov 24, 2009 7:53 AM   
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My theory--> Like most of what happens at airport security, this is hand waving. Once you've been identified, say by your credit card (cash upsets their world), they can find out just about everything they need to know about you. Any profiling is done beforehand by a computer program. Beyond making a positive ID and determining whether or not you're unbalanced, the remainder is for show.

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Ekman works for FOX. Enough said.
Posted by: tatamchwh on Nov 24, 2009 8:14 AM   
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A quote from this article: "He is an adviser on the new FOX drama 'Lie to Me', which is is based on him and his work; Ekman is an adviser on every script and writes critiques of each episode on his website." Rupert Murdoch is a foreign-born traitor who wants to make a fascist dictatorship here in the USA. Ekman has shown himself to be one of Murdoch's operatives in this effort.

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This is so absurd!
Posted by: marusasma on Nov 24, 2009 8:17 AM   
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I am NOT nor have I ever been a fan of this so-called "war on terror", the Patriot Act or Patriot Act II. The United States is no longer a democracy. A few years back when I was going to NYC (prior to 911)for a business meeting and had missed my flight because of poor directions, I had to go back to the ticket counter to exchange the first ticket for another and was in danger of missing that flight. Since I had already gone through the whole bag proceedure, I asked if I could leave the bag in full view of the screeners (the airport was not busy that night) and they said that I had to bring it with me. When I commented that I was no terriorist, just a nurse, they said that they could arrest me on the spot. For what? I missed one flight, going to miss another and trying to cut down on time and these bozos are threatening me with arrest for something that I'm not? Let me tell you something. This Ekman is a dangerous and paranoid nutcase that has the ear of equally dangerous and paranoid people. The truth of the matter is that if somebody is hell bent on being a kamikaze, they aren't going to look nervous becuase they've already made their peace. I'm sorry, but if a person is a good enough liar, you aren't going to catch them either as I also know first hand, because I was a victim of one. Sociopaths can be so charming when they want to be. All this is doing is creating havoc and hurting a lot of innocent people while the real criminals go free or have already figured out other means to get the job done. I think that the TSA should drop this ridiculous program as it doesn't work. This is not about keeping people safe. If they really wanted to do that, they would do a better job on safety issues and lack of appropriate maintenance on airplanes and such. The money would be better spent. As a friend of mine said, "Its gotten so out of hand that the only places I would go is someplace warm so I could wear flip-flops." I've already gone through terror at an airport when the plane we were on was surrounded by military personnel with machine guns trained on us, and who forced out to get out of the plane on the tarmac. We were forced to sit on the hot pavement for about an hour with machine guns trained on us while they searched the plane for God only knows what and didn't find it. We were also in a foreign country to boot. I didn't really look up or around or did anything to bring attention to myself nor do I think anybody else did. This is just the same sort of victimized terror tactics that have been foisted on us and when people start complaining, another so-called "terror" incident is staged.

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George Carlin
Posted by: sunnywater on Nov 24, 2009 8:25 AM   
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All of this airport security--the cameras, the questions, the screenings, the searches--is just one more way of reducing your liberty and reminding you that they can fuck with you anytime they want. Because that's the way Americans are now. They're willing to trade away a little of their freedom in exchange for the feeling---the illusion---of security.

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Psychic Detectives
Posted by: HslashK on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM   
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The Men Who Stare At People

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Hidden numbers?...
Posted by: L5 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM   
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The statement below, from the article, only indicates the number arrested...not how many or if any were convicted or what they were charged with. That this information is missing doesn't speak well as to the effectiveness of this questionable program...

"Behavior Detection Officers across the country pulled 98,805 passengers aside for additional screenings, out of which 9,854 were questioned by local police. 813 were eventually arrested."

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Nov 24, 2009 8:54 AM   
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Spot is a dog and I am sure this program is too. Is there no better way for our government to spend the money we do not have than on junk like this. Next maybe they will be holding seances by the gates to weed out bad spirits.

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It's social engineeering
Posted by: lclark on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM   
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It’s all about surveillance of citizens and social engineering to accept government intimidation.

They used to take my lighter at the airport. Then they had a problem disposing of them all so now I get to keep my lighter.

I’ve been sent back to the ticket counter because my ticket said “Larry” and my license said “Lawrence”.

I’ve watched people say “Sir” repeatedly in nervous submission to badges and policing authority.
I’ve been stopped at more roadblocks in the last 2 years than the previous 20 in my locale.

I have an EZ-pass for toll roads. That is uniform technology that can track my travel in my car in many parts of the country.

My cell phone has technology that can locate me if it has a battery in it. The technology was introduced by government mandate. Now that it is public knowledge the phone companies offer it a service to track the location of children, but the tracking capability was there for many years previously.

Surveillance cameras has been increasingly deployed in more public spaces.

Emailed and web access can and is monitored.

Along with the above we’ve seen the entrenchment of a elite class that controls 95% of the wealth of this country.

What a disgusting web of “Big Brother” technologies.

I don’t doubt these technologies can be used to banish a misbehaving politician as well who doesn’t “get with the program”.

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More of the bogus "war on terra(tm)"
Posted by: chetdude on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 AM   
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Welcome to the 21st Century Reich -- the new police state.

Get used to it folks, you've allowed them to take your souls...

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911 Initiated the Collapse of the American Economy
Posted by: edgar_michel on Nov 24, 2009 10:06 AM   
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I want to first say that Wolfram Research came out with a new research tool called WolframAlpha. In the demo they demonstrate how to compare GDP of two different countries. After watching the demo, I tried it myself. What struck me is that no matter what country I compared the United States to; the GDP of the United State with respect to that country began a precipitous decline beginning in the last half of 2001. And the decline is precipitous and uninterrupted except for comparisons with the UK, Germany and the entire EU where there is a little bump of less decline at the start of the Afghanistan invasion in 2002 and the Iraqi invasion in 2003, but then quickly returns to rapid decline. Pakistan's GDP with respect to the United States has tripled since 9/11; China's has more than tripled. I get the same result for almost every country save for Mexico and North Korea. In other words in terms of real wealth, the United States has been in a precipitous decline since 9/11 regardless of the boom in the housing market, regardless of Wall Street records. In fact it appears that Wall Street is completely disconnected from the United States economy.

The other thing relevant to this article is that there were no surveillance cameras at Boston Logan International Airport. See "http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp? timeline=complete_911_timeline&investigations: _a_detailed_look=penttbom” Complete 911 Timeline: September 29, 2001: No Video Cameras in Boston’s Logan Airport; Footage from Other Airports Remains Classified (It is reported that Boston’s Logan Airport has no cameras in its terminals, gate areas, or concourses. It is possibly the only major airport in the US not to have such cameras. The two other airports used by the hijackers to launch the 9/11 attacks had security cameras, but only some footage of the hijackers in the Washington airport is leaked to the press in 2004. [BOSTON HERALD, 9/29/2001] It was previously reported that FBI agents had “examined footage from dozens of cameras at the three airports [including Logan] where the terrorists boarded the aircraft.” [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 9/13/2001])

It would appear to me that the United States was a liability in terms of global financial institutions. The United States had an aging middle class population with retirement benefits to be paid, IRA's etc. that would heavily tax the ability of those institutions to meet their obligations. At the same time labor costs were high in the United States and community protection regulations were cutting steeply into profit margins. Therefore the United States had to be dumped in favor of a country like China that had much more liberal labor and community protection laws, and no aging well paid population, greatly improving prospective profitability. So 9/11 was hatched as a mechanism to begin the transfer of wealth out of the United State into the accounts of international institutions in countries more favorable to their to their (international financial institution, “banks without borders”) economic well being.

When American’s finally wake up they will be furious; hence the need to create a sophisticated security system (even using psychological profiling) to contain that explosive anger when it erupts.

When I compare the GDP of the United States to the GDP of Africa, I get a curve that suggests that the GDP of the United States will be at parity with the GDP of Africa in five to ten years.

Re-Open the investigation of 9/11; what will be learned might save this country.

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Canada spending $20+ million for *NAKED 'backscatter' BODY SCANNERS*
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 AM   
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yeah baby!

more American paranoia, lockdown nation funding & NAKED BODY SCANNER TECHNOLOGY!

yeah.

baby.

gimme more of those live like a warcriminal *if you wanna travel & exercise your rights to freedom of movement!* bullshit.

THANK YOU AMERICA!

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Fuck No, I ain't Nervous....I feel safer
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 AM   
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...and Goddammit, I jes love the sound of jackboots reverberating down the corridors..."Papieren Bitte"!

Gives me a warm, moist feelin' especially at the holidays...und so stolz, ein Amerikaner zu sein!

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» I fear that you're right, tatamchwh Posted by: moloko velocet
» RE: I fear that you're right, tatamchwh Posted by: gimmie shelter
» RE: I fear that you're right, tatamchwh Posted by: gimmie shelter

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S
Posted by: Constitution on Nov 24, 2009 11:55 AM   
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I read one response that makes sense which we follow we don't fly anymore. When they started this country they have all the powers broken up. That's the only way you can have freedom so until you get rid of homeland security or should we say the secret police. They'll be no freedom.

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I guess..
Posted by: KAvatar on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM   
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I guess a new way of creating more "jobs" in "Security" area ?

What is next every neighborhood will have one of this "Behavior Detection Officers" ? or they already have them implanted in society !!

Though what is left in citizens life which is not known to "Agency" , we have or given Credit cards, Phone and Cell phones (taped !!), GPS, Internet, Emails, Travel records... most of the records are logged. "Agency" owns biggest data storage capacity and are planning to increase further.

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RE: Don't give them a dime Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 PM   
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Tony just tell that to the 40o+ people that could have been saved by a remote control device that was a part of my plan and to all the other 9000 people that went down in the last five years and where are all the complaints that i never heard from the people that where on the 911 plane's because they where rally bombs shut up you are a bad tony'

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scanners
Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM   
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I would imagine the scanning equipment is intensive too at large events. Just what the long term effects of being scanned everywhere constantly who knows. They also scan for future events maybe year in advance. Like Cheney they can know something will be there and where it will be but not when it will be there with absolute certainty. Same with mushrooming clouds on the horizon.

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I'll PAY EXTRA to fly & NOT ENTER US AIRSPACE
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM   
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I'm getting *fucking tired* of Americans deciding that the REST of the World has to live in LockDown Airlines

because AMERICANS bring on World Terrorism.

You know what?

I'll PAY MORE FOR MY AIRFARE if that airline could guarantee we
d avoid entering US Airspace where the US justifies treating me like meat or a maximum security prison offender.

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Give 'em a Break
Posted by: garyfee on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM   
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Come on, you guys. We all know that the TSA is a Public Works program for people who are too stupid to work at Walmart and too surly to work at Hardy's. Haven't we been demanding that Barry create more jobs? I've been thinking of applying, but couldn't decide between Shoe Sniffer or Cavity Searcher. Thanks to this article I now know that I want to be in the Ministry of Silly Walks!

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We need an experiment to debunk this shit
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM   
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I bet if we cobbled together a horde of people with Tourette's syndrome, OCD, BP, Asbergers, ADD & ADHD and some good ole fashion introverts (like me) we could totally fuck over the SPOT system's "efficacy."

Since 2001 I've flown maybe 2 or 3 times (someone else bought tix for this and that... I sure as hell can't afford a plane ticket, let alone have that much time off work to go someplace other than work in the first place). Each and every time I spent time being questioned and each and every time law enforcement was confident I was a turrish.

Best line in the piece says it all: Tthe TSA boasts that the SPOT program is "derivative of other successful behavioral analysis programs that have been employed by law enforcement and security personnel both in the U.S. and around the world."

Classic. 'Merkaans always tryin' to reinvent the wheel... like when MLS came up with the 'Merkaanized innovation to soccer to use a count-down clock and a bizzare "shootout" instead of Kicks-from-the-mark (a.k.a. colloquially as "PKs"). Fuckin' idiots. At least MLS figured out that was dumb and switched back to the way the rest of the planet plays football. I won't hold my breath for TSA to do the same.

You ever talk to a TSA employee? Biggest buncha fuckin' paranoid delusionals in the world.

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pseudoscience
Posted by: zugzwang on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM   
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This screening method is providing a 99% rate of false positives. They are relying on quack 'science' of reading body language, and their own results show how unreliable their system is. No information about what the 1% arrest cases, which suggests that NONE were for terrorist related activity, because I'm sure they'd be crowing about any such cases.

They certainly are setting low benchmarks for success. And claiming success for deterrence echoes the old Cheney argument that you can't prove the absence of WMD in Iraq just because no one every found any... Same old malarkey!

As for people being unable to mask their emotions... have you ever seen an actor? lawyer? teacher? doctor? parent? Many people do this successfully daily. The would-be terrorist just has to think about lunch as he sails through security.

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DNA Samples Taken At Airport Gate
Posted by: melpol on Nov 24, 2009 2:26 PM   
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By the year 2015 every American will have their DNA recorded. No longer will there be any need for an ID card. A painless blood sample will quickly be taken, and the history of the person displayed in less than 5 seconds. It will make law enforcement a breeze.

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Great job, Bushie
Posted by: drcyflowers on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM   
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Why do we get treated like terrorists at our own airports, just because Bush was asleep at the wheel on September 11th?

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Where's The Bomber?
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM   
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oh! oh! I spotted him, it's the guy in the Hawaiian shirt who looks like he shit his pants!

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I can just see them pulling me out
Posted by: harpy on Nov 24, 2009 4:51 PM   
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I have a genetic tremor (Essential Tremor, a pre-existing condition not covered by BC/BS) and when I'm in a hurry or stressed my hands shake. People mistake it for nervousness, and these guys would think me suspicious for that alone! Except I tend to look people in the eye and challenge them, which they might think was suspicious also.

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My son got a call last week
Posted by: harpy on Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM   
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that the police were in his house. They came in without a warrant, and started searching his computer. Why? My 14 year old grandson had posted song lyrics on his MySpace page that they decided were violent and indicative of a plan to "do something" at school! Some parent had seen them and complained and instead of contacting my son about it, they just went over there after he left for work, entered without knocking and started questioning a 14 year old with no attorney or permission! They confiscated the computer so they could search it and have told him they weren't pressing charges against my grandson (what for, thought crime of posting lyrics?)but haven't returned the computer yet. ACLU we need you!
So now this kid will forever be leary and afraid to express his thoughts. What if Stephen King had been treated that way when he was a kid? They want to desensitive all of us to believe we have no civilians' rights.

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TSA--Thousands Standing Around
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM   
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I've stopped flying--figured I was on the list anyway. I just hope taxpayers aren't being dunned for this expense and that it is covered by the ticket buyer and the airlines.

We subsidize air travel through airport construction, special tax expenditures, etc. This should end--and, I think banks get favored tax treatment for buying planes and leasing them to the airlines, or they used to...

...Banking activity has been subsidized through the tax code for far too long and it is time to rationalize the functions now haphazardly and inefficiently carried out by the banks at tremendous cost to the people in a way that serves the people and not the bankers--this extends to home loans in particular where Americans get a crappy mortgage interest deduction for paying Usury to scum, thanks to the transfer to private banks of the money-creating powers that rest with the sovereign. A banker talking about a "free market" is like Madonna talking about "chastity."

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TSA : To Say Again
Posted by: Dominic Jermano on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM   
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I wonder why TSA can not spot a lying politician in our midst? Afterall there are still many unanswered questions of 911 that the Bush administration quelched, and Obama Admin. is afraid to review. There is ample evidence that many of the so called hijackers that day are still alive....and that the FBI does not have binLadin wanted for the 911 attack. Also binLadin did not do the attacks on the US Embassy in Kenya and Tanzania. The CIA ordered it...so to bring about and escalate concerns toward increased military spending for the US and it's property abroad.

Many as I; really believe Bush orchestrated 911...along with Cheney in his stand-down order that day. 911 was and is an inside job. No doubt in my mind.

And to think TSA is going to be able to spot a terrorist is quite naive on their part.
Just the mere physical ability of someone to overpower a plane could be achieved. An organized group of strong guys with no guns or weapons could overpower a plane together quite easily. Cabin doors can easily be kicked in, or windows on the plane smashed out.

You would think security in the US would stop their foolishness and realize it was planned by the Bush Op.

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Posted by: dealmeinfo5 on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 PM   
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I think they should do profiling, however doing random spot checks is stupid I think. When they are searching people that are 90 years old, its like common.





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Just watch Hollywood movies
Posted by: richholland on Nov 24, 2009 11:31 PM   
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the terrorist wears a beard, or didnt shave some days.
He has a bad hairdresher,

The hero stays clean shaven, looks always honest and brave.

arabterorists have beards like Bin Laden.
mexican drugdealers have big moustaches.
According the Washington Superscript drugsdealers with beards and mexican drugsdealers without a big moustache get fined.

my 86 years old mother came in trouble at the airport with a nailclipper.
For Tony Opmoc ; is there still the billboard at Heathrow telling if you call the guards names or you shout at them you will be considered as a terrorist???

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What a waste
Posted by: austex_chris on Nov 24, 2009 11:44 PM   
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Trying to prevent terrorism with this kind of security is like trying to prevent murders by randomly handing out bullet proof vests. It's a waste of time and money.

How about this for anti-terrorism? We stop invading countries in the Middle East. Or how about we convince Israel to stop building settlements? No, can't do that? Then just try to randomly catch terrorists through random checks. Tell me how that works out.

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Mind your p's and q's (and every other letter!)
Posted by: talkville on Nov 25, 2009 3:18 AM   
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What better laboratory than the really existing airports around the country? For Reasearch and Development, I mean.

That small, tiny germ that sprouted way back in 20's and 30's of last century called "behaviorism" or "behavior analysis" or any number of other euphemisms has certainly bloomed into a very healthy, vibrant and still-growing bloom. Nowadays, all kinds of 'technicians', teamed-up and singly, technologically well equipped and savvy, are putting into practice much all that knowledge and information -- valid or not! -- that has accumulated since those days in these areas. These accumulations of knowledge and information, of course, are by now called "intellectual property" and are owned and controlled by a host of private capitalists (who hold that "capital" securely in place by continually perfected legislation).

Is their use and application in the service of health or well-being? Nope; its in the service of control, 'governance' and rule. Once 'proven' in fixed areas like airports or schools, or other 'captive audiences', they're generalized and put into effect upon all of us in every aspect of our lives. For money.

And pretty much sooner rather than later, all of our behaviors and idiosyncracies, our expressions and demeanors, our character so to speak, will be largely determined (thus predictable and regulable and normalized), and Papa and Mama Capital will be able to ensure that the children are behaving as they should, spending their Allowance on those things pre-determined as 'good' and 'wholesome' and 'positive'.

And we all can say how free we are, in this freest of all possible worlds, p's and q's and every other letter exactly as acceptable and appropriate to those new Masters of our Universe.

Stimulus-Response, and conditioning; that's all it is.

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TSA = BS
Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 9:03 AM   
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Funny how many sheeple will allow their water/shampoo/extra baby formula/whatever to be taken away from them because they fly. What crap.
The proof that these items are not really dangerous stares them in the face. Does the TSA/KGB label the forbidden/suspect/dangerous items with the owners information? Are these items tested? Heck no. It's tossed into trash bins, hauled off on regular trash trucks and buried in a landfill or dragged out into the ocean.
What a pity so many in the land of the free are so stupid. But, they are making the war machine producers rich while bankrupting the country.
Lets try this. Allow the public to choose. If you are afraid, pay extra for "secure" flights. Let those just trying to travel from point A to point B without fear buy lower priced tickets to fly without the BS.

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Dog Anxiety
Posted by: Collielady on Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM   
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I know I'll appear anxious because I'll be mentally reviewing the dog sitter instructions and wondering if I covered all the details. I hope the officers understand that dogs are responsible for more than missing homework.

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the people who post here dont think
Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 25, 2009 6:13 PM   
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if we take the critique of security at airports, building etc then why not have no checking at all. Any checking is violation of your rights; it is only a matter of degree; xraying your luggage is minimal degree; checking your socks is maximum. So if you take the :rights: viewpoint, then we do nothing. You want to take that risk with let us 1000 hassans in this country willing to blow themselves.
What it comes down is a matter of degree. That is a judgement call.

In ww2, there were blackouts; you had to turn off your lights or have very heavy curtains. As a an individual you have the right to risk your life, but you don't have the right to risk others; hence, if you take the risk of having your lights on, others will suffer; so we restrict your freedom.
The same applies to airports. There is no magic answer to the extent of searches. But the principle remains.

If you have certain infectious diseases such as TB, we can restrict your freedom of movment by quarantine to protect others. We cant force you to take the medecine. This analogy applies to airport security. We restrict freedom by searches and delays to minimize mass killing.

Solution. IF you don't care for delays and searches, then drive yhour car or bike.

life is not a bowl of cherries. There are always tradeoffs.

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