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Decision to Try Terror Suspects in New York Draws Praise from Human Rights Activists

At the same time, the Justice Department is being strongly criticized for keeping the military commissions in place to try some suspects.
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NEW YORK, 15 Nov - The U.S. government's decision to bring five high-profile terror suspects to the United States to face trials in a civilian court has drawn reactions ranging from praise to condemnation to confusion.

While human rights advocates are generally applauding the decision to conduct trials in federal court in New York, they are at the same time strongly criticising the Justice Department for keeping the military commissions in place to try some suspects.

There appears to be confusion over how the government is making its decisions about which courts to choose for which defendants. This process remains unclear despite prolonged media questioning of Attorney General Eric Holder at his press conference at the Justice Department on Friday.

Holder announced at that press conference that five suspects allegedly involved in the terrorist attacks of Sep. 11, 2001 would be tried in New York, while five others would be tried before military commissions. The New York trials would include that of the self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

And at a partisan political level, members of Congress and other Washington heavyweights are either praising Holder's decision or labeling it as handing a victory to al Qaeda while raising dire security risks for U.S. neighbourhoods.

Said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, "This decision is further evidence that the White House is reverting to a dangerous pre-9/11 mentality - treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue and hoping for the best."

"We need a real strategy for fighting and winning the war on America's terrorist enemies that includes an effective, credible, and consistent plan for all terrorist detainees," he said.

U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell echoed this theme, saying, "This misguided decision is based on the false belief that the terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans in one day on U.S. soil are common criminals - not war criminals. But there are needless risks from this decision."

"Classified information can be inadvertently leaked, as it was in the first World Trade Centre trial. Our cities will face enormous security problems, and our communities will be potential targets for attack," he said.

Other politicians appeared to waste no time locating a camera to respond to Holder's decisions.

On her Facebook page, former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin wrote a post Friday titled, "Obama Administration's Atrocious Decision".

"Horrible decision, absolutely horrible," she wrote. Palin expressed concern that the alleged mastermind "may walk away from this trial without receiving just punishment because of a 'hung jury' or from any variety of courtroom technicalities. If we are stuck with this terrible Obama Administration decision, I, like most Americans, hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang 'em high."

President Barack Obama, on an Asian trip, said in Tokyo, "This is a prosecutorial decision as well as a national security decision. Here's the thing that I will say: I am absolutely convinced that Khalid Sheik Mohammed will be subject to the most exacting demands of justice. The American people will insist on it and my administration will insist on it.''

Families of those who lost loved ones in the 9/11 attacks also expressed mixed emotions about the New York trials.


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Excellent !
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 16, 2009 1:54 AM   
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Then the trials for the crimes of the Bush Administration and the Wall Street Banksters will commence!

Right? .... RIGHT? ...

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adhuc sub iudice lis est
Posted by: sunnywater on Nov 16, 2009 3:58 AM   
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A system of justice which accords you varying levels of due process based on the certainty that you'll get just enough to be convicted isn't a justice system at all. It's a rigged game of show trials.

Giving trials to people only when you know for sure, in advance, that you'll get convictions is not due process.

The Government picks and chooses which process you get in order to ensure that it always wins.

That the Obama DOJ is now explicitly picking and choosing different levels of due process in the very same announcement -- we can give that defendant a trial because we know we'll win, but that one over there needs to go to a military commission because we're less sure -- highlights how manipulative this "justice system" is.

The standard of justice for each detainee will depend in large part upon the government's assessment of how high the prosecution's evidence can jump and which evidentiary bar it can clear.

The problem is trying to have it both ways: the credibility that comes from using federal courts with admissible evidence under the very strict rules of civilian tribunals, and military commissions for cases that are often comparable except for the fact that they depend on evidence (such as hearsay testimony) that is not normally admissible in civilian courts.

What if Iran proposed the same for the three American hikers it is currently holding? We would surely condemn what we now stand ready to condone.

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A New Age idea - equal protection under the law
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 16, 2009 4:27 AM   
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From the article,

"We need a real strategy for fighting and winning the war on America's terrorist enemies that includes an effective, credible, and consistent plan for all terrorist detainees,"

I'd like to suggest we stop raping them. From the history books, O'Reilly to San Francisco, Nov. 10, 2005:

"[I]f Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. ... You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead"

As an accused 'terrorist'* I would like to see Bill O'Reilly detained and questioned. (Equal treatment under the law means HE also 'deserves' to be terrorized, raped and tortured.) I believe Bill O'Reilly and the FOXN network to be a terrorist organization.

After various people including Kaiser 'psychologists' (cranks) and the local police (corrupt) put their force behind Bill O'Reilly's lies (and the anti-Islamic, pro-fascist Bush/FOXN administration policies and agenda of warfare) it became ACTUAL TERROR to live through. In other words, REAL state sponsored terrorism.

They terrorized me for my political views and religion, that is not supposed to be the way it is in America, they ARE the terrorists. I documented his terrorism right here in AlterNet (a globally available research resource) as part of my plan to end the Drug War and ALL war.

I call for a full investigation into their conspiracies to commit fraud, cover up mass murder and encourage illegal military invasions for no purpose other than killing Muslims. It wasn't for the oil, the only reason for oil is to fight wars, that is a circular argument, no the real reason we are there is religion. FOXN hates Islam. Bill O'Reilly's religion: War on Christmas

*Bill O'Reilly has accused liberals without cause of 'terrorism' many times.

Why is Bill O'Reilly so against me?

I say he is projecting his own attitudes on us and it has nothing to do with actual reality except as a derivative of his rantings.

It is all about religion, the economics of religion. I argue for peace. He argues for war.

I really do think he is a terrorist, he should be arrested, not pontificating on TV.

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It is all a cover up, the real terrorists are people like Cheney, Rummy and Bush
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 16, 2009 4:42 AM   
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U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell echoed this theme, saying, "This misguided decision is based on the false belief that the terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans in one day on U.S. soil are common criminals - not war criminals. But there are needless risks from this decision."

"Classified information can be inadvertently leaked, as it was in the first World Trade Centre trial. Our cities will face enormous security problems, and our communities will be potential targets for attack," he said.


Of course what he is really worried about is his own part in it. We didn't get a state sponsored torture program without some statesmen sponsoring it. They don't want their own misdeeds exposed.

I wonder how many of those unreleasable torture photographs have our Senators, Congressmen, executive and military leaders in them.

If I was CIA ordered to torture children for the pleasure of a high ranking official, I would take a picture.

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Military Families United, a Washington-based advocacy group
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 16, 2009 5:07 AM   
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"This decision is a victory for those who perpetrated the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, not the American people... The Sept. 11 accomplices will now receive many of the same constitutional rights and privileges as ordinary Americans.''

Cheney perpetrated the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Why aren't the Military Families United after him?

He has already received far more "rights and privileges" than ordinary Americans. He is getting away with mass murder and torture and hasn't even been charged. These poor fools have done nothing like what the great and evil Cheney and his friends have done. They are not even in the same league.

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Trying suspects in the military commissions is illegal
Posted by: leafsong2 on Nov 16, 2009 6:02 AM   
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The Geneva Conventions, which clearly apply, require that trial of suspects only occur in pre-existing judicial systems. It is entirely illegitimate to create a judicial system specifically to try certain "military" suspects, no matter what rights are granted to those suspects in that system. That these suspects cannot expect conviction in a court of law is amply evidenced by the government's refusal to allow them due process, and that, in turn, is sufficient evidence of their innocence to justify their release. That hundreds of these "worst of the worst terrorists" have been summarily released after being wrongly judged as illegal combatants by the government is also ample evidence of their innocence. At this point, there is really no reason to believe that any of them are guilty of crimes.

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Indict Silverstein
Posted by: weathered on Nov 16, 2009 8:39 AM   
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he allowed the demolition of 3 bldgs. at WTC.

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Human rights are for humans
Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 16, 2009 9:18 AM   
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not muslim terrorists that have declared war on our nation.

The proper venue for this piece of shit is a military commission - right here in NY. Then after a 20 minute hearing and conviction we should put him on top of burning building, along with a few human (I mean terrorists) rights advocates and let them jump.

Maybe the ACLU will finally get an appreciation of who's rights they are supposed to be protecting.

Muslim terrorists aren't among them - the victims are!

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The paranoid style and 911 "truth".
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 16, 2009 10:09 AM   
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The problem is that those who promote 9/11 conspiracy theories have a convoluted style of thinking, which is 180 degrees out of phase with the rest of us. The "truthers" disdain for facts and hard evidence makes it all but impossible to reason with them.

Moreover, 9/11 conspiracy crackpots have the "truth" and are here only to preach, they’re not merely "asking questions" or "seeking the truth." They’ve already found the answers. They're in no way "open minded", and never will be. Thus, they won’t really answer your questions because they're not interested in dialogue; they're only interested in monologue. Hence, when challenged with facts, they’ll just change the subject.

Thus, it's virtually impossible to deter a man with reason from a position he embraced through passion.

That said, I say give the Wahhabi Muslim bastards a fair trial, and if convicted, punish them to the full extent of the law. Better yet, if convicted by the jury, dowse their beard's in jet fuel (kerosene), toss a match at them, and throw them off the Sears Tower, and let them experience the horror felt by the over 200 innocent Americans who jumped to their death from Trade Center Tower's One and Two.

The evidence against them is OVERWHELMING and was partially presented at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. The wire tranfsers and email evidence alone are more than enough to convict them.

Source: USDC Eastern District of Virginia: United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui--Criminal No. 01-455-A.

Now go for it and flame me Al Qaeda apologists.

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Kevin Cosgrove's last words and a list of the victims who perished on 9/11.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 16, 2009 12:41 PM   
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To those of you who would have us believe that the Trade Center Towers were brought down by "controlled demolition", listen to the last words of Kevin Cosgrove AND TELL ME IF YOU HEAR ANY EVIDENCE OF CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

Do you hear bombs exploding? I certainly don't hear anything that would lead me to conclude that the Trade Center Tower's were brought down by "controlled demolition". Bear in mind that the smallest explosive charge that was capable of bringing down the WTC columns would have produced sound levels IN EXCESS of 120 to 130 Db (decibels). That's far louder than a Jimi Hendrix concert.


Source: YouTube: Kevin Cosgrove's last words. (WARNING: The following video may be disturbing for some people, so discretion is advised).

Source: YouTube: A List of the Victims Who Perished On 9/11.

Never forget.

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Junk Yard Dogs
Posted by: melpol on Nov 16, 2009 2:34 PM   
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The trial for the terrorists in N.Y. will not show a bunch of sweet talking victims. Expect to see them spitting at the judge and jury. After years of water boarding and confinement they have been turned into junk yard dogs. It would be best for everybody if they were heavily sedated before entering the courtroom.

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US terrorism in Afghanistan was first
Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 16, 2009 4:38 PM   
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Since the 07/03/79 Carter-Brzezinski CIA funding of terrorists to draw Russia to occupy Afghanistan and use those people as collateral damage in our proxy war with Russia we can only call 9/11 retaliation not an unprovoked attack.
If ideology is not a good excuse for collateral damage to innocent civilians then we violated that rule first. Oherwise this is just a case of us protesting to much to hid the mess we caused that came back to our land to haunt us just like we have been haunting them.

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terror suspects
Posted by: DaTruth on Nov 17, 2009 1:46 AM   
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That list should include GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Marvin Bush (WTC7), and Larry "PULL IT!" Silverstein (WTC7).

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If they don't have the evidence...
Posted by: jimmyaj on Nov 18, 2009 4:22 PM   
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...to convict these people, they should be bound to release them.

This whole thing was botched by the Bushies.

Also, the CIA and the US military do not understand Islamic extremism. Unfortunately, they don't understand economics and political science, either. Their job is to "follow orders."

And the orders are coming from international bankers and industrialists who are playing the world's peoples against each other. They are the ones who buy governments and pay to have laws made. They are the ones who make the rules concerning banking and loans and interest rates.

Why does anyone think it odd that ethnic groups around the world hate the west and its banking system? Plenty of people in the west hate it, too.

The day of reckoning is not far off. A couple of years at most, when there won't be any oil at all for anybody.

We should be hanging the industrialists who are driving this freight train over the cliff. Plenty of evidence out there to show what they've done.

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Terrorists in solitary
Posted by: hpayson on Nov 22, 2009 8:17 AM   
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Seems to me keeping terrorists in solitary invites a hostage/swap situation, which is only rendered null if we execute them. And I agree with the comment that says a civil trial for a terrorist is a sham -- how will we feel if he goes free? And if he's convicted, how will it appear to our allies? It's a lose/lose deal. A military tribunal may be seen as fascistic, but a terrorist is not a criminal, he's a terrorist who believes we're at war. After all, do we try prisoners of war in civil courts?

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