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The Memory Scrub About Why Ft. Hood Happened Is Almost Complete ... If It Weren't for Archives
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What happened to all the initial reports that accused Fort Hood killer Maj. Nidal Hasan snapped because he was distraught over the Army's refusal to grant him either a discharge or an exemption from being deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, wars which the Muslim psychiatrist abhorred -- and how it was this callous Army refusal to accommodate Maj. Hasan that led to his downward spiral into despondency, rage and mass murder?
We heard quite a bit about this in the first couple of days, and then -- poof! That part of the Fort Hood story disappeared so neatly that I almost started to wonder if I'd imagined it -- such is the power of media bombardment versus a mere soap bubble like the human memory. I might have forgotten too and gone along with the reality-scrub, the way all of Official America has gone, but thanks to all the news archives, it was possible to check the record as it was first reported on November 5, and trace how a key part of the Nidal Hasan story was airbrushed away from reality.
The Army's pig-headed failure to accommodate Maj. Hasan was, for a time, the most important -- and most damaging -- detail forunderstanding his shooting rampage. Because if Maj. Hasan tried to get out of his deployment, and if he telegraphed every warning signal possible (emailing terrorists, cruising 7-11s in his Al Qaeda costume) to bolster his case to reverse his deployment orders, and all the while the Army bureaucracy ignored him despite his 20 years' service -- then that means the massacre can't be blamed just on one crazy Islamofascist's inner evil.
Instead, much of the blame for driving Maj. Hasan to crack would fall on his superiors in the Army, who held his fate in their hands. They could have shown some flexibility, but instead treated with the kind of callous bureaucratic insolence and nasty ethnic harassment you'd expect to find in a 19th century army, not 21st century America. If the Army really did fail to respond to a million-billion signals from Maj. Hasan, then it means we'd have to investigate more than just his evil little Muslim soul. We'd also have to look at the environment that changed him from a good loyal soldier into a cracked lunatic. That would mean examining just how screwed up the Army culture really is, how poorly it manages its resources and personnel, and why we went so long without knowing how bad things were…
We'd also have to examine the link between Hasan's rampage and the Army's record number of suicides this year -- which so far nearly equals the total number of US combat deaths in Iraq. A lot of this year's suicides involve Army personnel which hadn't yet shipped out to the war zones, like Maj. Hasan -- a grim statistic that belies the chickenhawks' screeching attacks denying the existence of pre-combat stress syndrome.
But the problem with investigating questions like these is that the answers could be one giant bummer -- nothing makes an American's brain switch into "hibernate" mode more quickly.
The point being that as the horror of the Fort Hood massacre started to emerge, a lot of people were interested in superimposing a more comforting, simplistic version of events over the ambiguous, demoralizing reality. According to the new version of what led to the Fort Hood Massacre, all along Maj. Hasan was a sleeper-jihadist moled up inside the Army structure, patiently waiting for his Al Qaeda handlers in AfPak to give him the Jihadi signal -- and in the meantime, the Islamofascist sleeper cell ran around Walter Reed scaring the shit out of his Army colleagues for two years straight with his frothing lectures threatening to behead Infidels and pour hot oil down their necks.
This counter-intuitive version has so far managed to stick, but only because everyone's officially forgotten how Hasan had desperately tried to convince his superiors not to deploy him. There was no way that this detail could be allowed to survive if the new official version was going to take hold; it wouldn't make sense that Hasan would simultaneously be plotting for two straight years to commit mass-murder, while at the same time trying to find a way out of deployment. A Jihadist would not try to get discharged from his terror target. Doesn't make sense. He'd keep quiet as he successfully wormed his way closer and closer to his Fort Hood target, if that's their story (why didn't he shoot up Walter Reed if he's a jihadist?), and not do anything that might alert his superiors to potential danger. So you can see why a lot of people would have liked to make disappear the part about how they ignored Hasan's repeated requests --not just the Army personnel whose asses are on the line, but the entire country which has invested so much faith and trust into the military.
As Americans lost faith in every other institution, the military stands as the last thing we believe in. According to a recent Gallup poll, the military is by far the most trusted institution -- 78 percent of Americans have a favorable view of the military, as opposed to a 20 percent favorable rating for the federal government.
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Posted by: harryf200 on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 AM
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» jihad by force is not a myth
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» Meathead, stay in Europe!
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» RE: Meathead, stay in Europe!
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» With a title including the phrase,
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» RE: With a title including the phrase,
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» Thank you, just point out my post below with a list of all the holes in the official story.
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» Definition of Jihad
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» Ames is a shill, Hasan is a patsy
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» RE: Ames is a shill, Hasan is a patsy
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» RE: jihad by force is not a myth
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» Its not off topic, its true what this author says, that the news changed...from the first reports.
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» RE: Jihad
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» RE: Jihad
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 23, 2009 2:14 AM
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I would call it racism or anti-Islamic prejudice. I really do wonder where it comes from, why is he like that? He looks like he has something nasty stuck permanently up his butt so I kind of worry about him. Worry about him like he is a mass murderer.
He is a terrorist. It is interesting that he now includes pedophiles in his list of things we liberals are bent on protecting. That is wearing thin, is he projecting?
What about this?
I could never have imagined the pervasiveness of out-and-out treason in our government and our military.
Give me a frigging break, HE could never imagine treason? I guess he is one of those guys who thinks the bigger the lie, the more believable it is, because that one is a whopper.
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» Mark Ames is a moron
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» RE: Mark Ames is a moron
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» RE: Mark Ames is a moron
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» RE: Mark Ames is a moron
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» RE: Mark Ames is a moron
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» It is racism, Here are a list of all the holes in the entire Hasan episode and they are extensive..
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» RE: It is racism, Here are a list of all the holes in the entire Hasan episode and they are extensive..
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» RE: It is racism, Here are a list of all the holes in the entire Hasan episode and they are extensive..
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 AM
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But then they found a wounded Muslim and the story changed?
There's not much wriggle room there, you're either dead or alive.
And will they ask why the base MP's were AWOL and it took a civilian cop from Killeen to take down the shooter(s)?
And why did they lie about the female cop being the one who took down Hasan? Another "Private Lynch Rescue" story for mass consumption?
And why were the initial stories coming out that there were at least TWO shooters in TWO different locations?
I served with the 82nd Airborne as a Light Weapons Combat Infantryman and I find it difficult to believe that combat hardened soldiers stood around and did nothing while the shooter emptied a mag, released the mag and loaded another and did this at least FIVE times.
Why didn't they rush him while he was reloading?
The only way that scenario works is if there were multiple shooters in different locations and they were confused about the directions the shots were coming from.
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» RE: Another LEE HARVEY HASAN story?
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» RE: Another LEE HARVEY HASAN story?
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» All good points and I discuss some of that above, like the AWOL MP'S. They were chasing the two ...
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 23, 2009 3:20 AM
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And telling more lies to get Americans to stay in Iraq, wouldn't that be treason?
BTW, Chuck old boy, you do know what the penalty for treason during wartime is, don't you?
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» Your so right, and I think that is why those soldiers shot their officers at Ft Hood...
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» Here is another article from a reputable paper about two other shooters....
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 23, 2009 4:02 AM
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The issue is not the failings of the Military, but the society that creates and maintains it..
The Rhetoric of the Neo Cons and Fundementalists have been systematically ex communicating groups of citizens from the memebership list for decades.
Apprently If I as a woman do not hold the same ideas as Sarah and her psycho followers,It's not that I'm just not a Republican, I'm not an American.
This poses a great danger to these UNITED States. This country's strength and perserverance has come from our diversity of people and ideas.
If a group claims 'you are not one of Us' then it is only logically that you seek a group who does welcome your participation.
As much as AQ is building it's recruitments through propaganda, these Right wing Evangelicals are helping push people their way.
Hasan was pushed into the arms of radical islam by the Evangelical 'End of Days' zealots of our own country.
Let's not be so naive as to think this "christian"taliban is only seeking to get operatives in Public office, they are working on building their 'Army for Christ'.
It is not Muslims we need to discharge from our military but any form of 'End of Dayer' who is literally Hell bent on a 'Holy War' (Armegddon) by any means necessary- Political, economic or militarily.
Hasan became 'One of Them" because he was Told he was not One of US.
This Resurgence Apocalyptic 'christianity' poses a far greater danger to this country than any Mulsim version.There are far more of these type Armeggonist in our Gov't, Military, and private sector who are intentionally provoking (facilitating) a needless (if not utterly Immoral) Crusade in the name of their Idol.
We are not a 'Christian Nation' - We are not the Swat valley!
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Nov 23, 2009 4:36 AM
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I would also suggest that the US Military has a policy of rarely showing compassion as in our current situtaton, if they do so too many soldiers would do anything to get out of serving in hostile places like Iraq and Afganistan for personal or political reasons.
I hope some senior officers who did have the authority to change his orders or recommend his discharge also face disipline, including a court-martial or forced into retirement.
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Posted by: homingpigeon on Nov 23, 2009 4:59 AM
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» RE: the Palestine angle
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» Bigger question, if Obama will not close torture camps what makes you think he will close....
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 23, 2009 6:57 AM
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Posted by: cpotter on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 AM
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He could have just deserted, or he could have just refused to deploy, he could have refused to continue doing his job. Would these actions have consequences? Sure. But, nothing approaching the tragic consequences to the soldiers who he attacked and their families. And certainly nothing like the consequences he will personally face when he is prosecuted.
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» Actually, the earliest reports suggest he did not even do the deed. So until we get to hear....
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Posted by: sayward2 on Nov 23, 2009 8:40 AM
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We hate Iran, even though we destroyed their democratically elected government in the 1950s and put the Shah on the throne.... now we reap the whirlwind- a lot of people who really believe there is a real place for them after death. We will not win unless ever Muslim is dead. Then what? We just see we were the enemy.
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» The only good Injun is a dead one, The only good nigger is a dead one
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» Excellent, pointed "TRUTH TELLING" which is the enemy of the state.
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Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Nov 23, 2009 8:52 AM
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How can we Demean 200 Million of them who reside in Indonesia in Peace and Harmony?
How can we proscribe our way or no way?
Christianity only.
4000 Million do not accept Jesus Christ as a Messiah but as a Prophet.
How do we convert 4000 Million?
Convert Muslim in the Middle East and still have 1245 Million to go!!
Middle East has 17% of all Muslims.
Stop Demeaning an entire Religion for vile of a few thousand.
Recall vileness of Japanese. Chinese. Soviets.Italians.South Aficans. on and on and on
now world places us there in Iraq-Afghan slaughteramas which are never shown on American TV or in papers.
Americans have never seen or read what others have known. Barbaric acts in Iraq.
How dumb and self centered can we get in our Egobubble?
Get into our EgoBubble and mind our own business.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 AM
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» NOT ABOUT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
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Posted by: mcubed on Nov 23, 2009 10:37 AM
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Not surprising, but NPR shifted the story within the first 24 hours. I like NPR, but they've seemed to usually take the military's "official" word as gospel since at least 2003. Pretty discouraging.
I was yelling at my radio for a couple days as the story shifted all over the media.
Thanks for cataloguing the whitewash.
Michele
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» Criticizing NPR gets you a rating of 1?
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» RE: Thank You Mark Ames
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM
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Job satisfaction would seem to be a sideline in this case, the stuff of sensationalism and speculation.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM
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Most countries have their own bullies. The game then becomes who can be the craziest bully on the block, and the violence escalates. Their bullies fight our bullies to see who gets the spoils. Sometimes the victims of the bullies go crazy themselves and lash out. Then all the bullies blame the peaceful people (hippies) for the bloodbath.
The human race is insane.
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM
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The problem w/a Lie, you need lots of layers to keep it alive.
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Posted by: pg on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM
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There are many soldiers that object to the war and many who do not want to be deployed for a host of valid reasons. They don't kill their fellow soldiers. Most serve with honor, a few desert.
Like any traumatic news event the initial reports are rarely right. That does not mean a cover-up or change of focus from the "real cause."
If Hasan was a white male who shot up an abortion clinic I expect the author and most posters would rightly have no problem labeling the shooting as religiously motivated.
The evidence in on the Fort Hood shooting is pointing to religious motivation.
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» They don't kill their fellow soldiers?
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» Good link...but...
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» RE: Good link...but...
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» non starter
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» You are shooting first before getting the answers...
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» You didn't read the Alternet article!
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» Dear login
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» RE: So Hasan is a victim now BS!
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» So it was an act of war or murderous sedition?
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» RE: So it was an act of war or murderous sedition?
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» So it was an act of war or murderous sedition?
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» Dboy
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» RE: So Hasan is a victim now BS!
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» RE: So Hasan is a victim now BS!
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» Hasan is yet another victim of Bloody Hands Bush's legacy.
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Posted by: Old Skeptic on Nov 23, 2009 12:34 PM
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At any rate, he chose to commit murder and assault; no one pushed him into it. How much of it is connected to his religion only he can answer, but we do know that he communicated several times with the jihadist imam in ...Yemen? It is hard to believe that his religion had nothing to do with it, at least as a contributing factor.
He is now permanently paralyzed, so no matter how the court case comes out, he will be permanently imprisoned in his own body. Good enough for him!
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» RE: Hasan probably had a number of stressors, but...
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» Tough
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» Here are a list of all the holes in the entire Hasan episode and they are extensive....
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» con't: Here are a list of all the holes in the entire Hasan episode and they are extensive....
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» con't: Here are a list of all the holes in the entire Hasan episode and they are extensive....
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» Hasan had a large number of serious stressors, and...
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 23, 2009 2:56 PM
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There are so many stories out there, it looks as if someone is deliberately muddying the waters. As a poster above noted, this guy died and was resurrected and didn't even get a holiday named after him. Shooters are here and there and then disappear. It looks as if someone took an event and tried to mold it into soemthing other than what it was to serve a political purpose.
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» RE: Mark! Where's the rest of the EXILE's rat pack?
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» Pardon?
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» I wasn't sure what he was saying either. I did mention all of those discrepancies except....
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» In a free country, with a free press a reporter could interview Hasan...
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Posted by: camusrebel on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM
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OK....you do not report multiple shooters are in custody without someone with authority telling you multiple shooters are in custody.
The real "tell" is how all the "news" orgs. have gone back and scrubbed their archives of all mention of multiple shooters. But we don't mind. Yes master, reality is what ever you tell us master. Yes, he was evil, of course it is obvious, yes Master, a very, very bad man, yesssss. i saw that video of him at the 7-11 in his bath robe yesssss Master, you showed me that clip dozens of times.....not one word from an eyewitness....its fine Master, what happened is what you tell me happened. And my virtual steak is deee-lish! I'm so happy. The world is perfect.
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» Your argument is self defeating
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» Wow, pg, are you really that dense?
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» ok, i see how you MIGHT have misunderstood
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» In light of your magnaminous offer
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» Scrub Other Shooters??
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» RE: Scrub Other Shooters??
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» Is Obama In On It Too?
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» RE: Is Obama In On It Too?
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» RE: In light of your magnaminous offer
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Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 23, 2009 5:58 PM
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NO ONE in their right mind murders fellow service men and women because the Army refuses you a deployment request.
That thought is nothing more than insane. Would you like us to forget all those emails and donations to extreme Muslim groups and leaders???
Face it - he's a terrorists who takes up the Muslim jihad cause with which this nation happens to be at war with. Hence not only is he a murderer but a traitor as well. Both crimes are punishable by death!
Allah, here he comes!
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» KSM and Osama are innocent too - America drove them insane
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» Selective
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» RE: Selective
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» Let's get real [that would be a welcome change from you warmongers; but I'm not holding my breath]
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Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Nov 23, 2009 6:33 PM
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Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Nov 24, 2009 11:32 AM
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The difference is in the way he reacted to his convictions. Other options he had.
*Refuse to go, and fight it out in court.
*Go AWOL, Soldiers do it all the time.
*Defect to the Middle East and Join Al Quida.
*resign and pay back the cost of his education.
But he chose to load 2 guns and go on a killing spree that took the innocent lives of others who may have felt the same as him.
I believe this act is very revealing, it shows us that he actually had no qualms with the war, but was unhappy with his role in it. He simply preferred to be killing Americans not defending them.
He was not offended by the act of killing. He simply chose to murder unarmed soldiers. Had he wanted to actually fight them he could have made his stand at one of the many "Live Firing" ranges at Fort Hood and tried his luck against equally armed soldiers.
No, this was an ignorant coward, a man who wanted to be a martyr and ended up a nefarious paraplegic.
The only fault of the military was to have overlooked his intentions until it was too late. Had they sniffed him out sooner for the piece of crap traitor he was, many lives would have been saved.
For this writer to overlook all the obvious options available to Hasan and blame his actions on the fact he wanted out of the service is in itself a scrubbing away of the truth.
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» Hasan pursued all options to be dischared, or granted an exemption from being deployed.
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» RE: Hasan pursued all options ...Have you lost your mind?
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» RE: Hasan pursued all options ...Have you lost your mind?
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» RE: Hasan pursued all options ...Have you lost your mind?
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» RE: Hasan pursued all options ...Have you lost your mind?
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» RE: Hasan pursued all options ...Have you lost your mind?
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» Major Hasan pursued all options. Have you lost your reading and comprehension skills?
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Posted by: morgan1 on Nov 24, 2009 1:44 PM
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Posted by: leland61 on Nov 28, 2009 8:01 PM
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Why are liberals so afraid to face the fact that Jihadisism is a 'faith based program'. It is just exactly that. As for this 'psychiatrist' - why shouldn't he be deployed - were they going to change his role and have him shooting rockets at enemy positions? If not he was going to help people with their problems - WTF reason is there that we send religious nutters to help anybody anyway - so there was no excuse for not going - EXCEPT FOR ONE - RELIGION - SUPERSTITION - NONSENSE - CRAPOLA RELIGION.
9/11 was nothing more or less than a faith based initiative by Muslims trying to make the world safe for allah - their own sick version of the genocidal maniac of Hebrew scripture.
A pox on all their gods and religions, source of murder, mayhem and misery for millennia.
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Posted by: harryf200 on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 AM
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» jihad by force is not a myth
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» Meathead, stay in Europe!
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» With a title including the phrase,
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» Thank you, just point out my post below with a list of all the holes in the official story.
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» Definition of Jihad
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» Ames is a shill, Hasan is a patsy
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» Its not off topic, its true what this author says, that the news changed...from the first reports.
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 23, 2009 2:14 AM
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I would call it racism or anti-Islamic prejudice. I really do wonder where it comes from, why is he like that? He looks like he has something nasty stuck permanently up his butt so I kind of worry about him. Worry about him like he is a mass murderer.
He is a terrorist. It is interesting that he now includes pedophiles in his list of things we liberals are bent on protecting. That is wearing thin, is he projecting?
What about this?
I could never have imagined the pervasiveness of out-and-out treason in our government and our military.
Give me a frigging break, HE could never imagine treason? I guess he is one of those guys who thinks the bigger the lie, the more believable it is, because that one is a whopper.
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» It is racism, Here are a list of all the holes in the entire Hasan episode and they are extensive..
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 AM
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But then they found a wounded Muslim and the story changed?
There's not much wriggle room there, you're either dead or alive.
And will they ask why the base MP's were AWOL and it took a civilian cop from Killeen to take down the shooter(s)?
And why did they lie about the female cop being the one who took down Hasan? Another "Private Lynch Rescue" story for mass consumption?
And why were the initial stories coming out that there were at least TWO shooters in TWO different locations?
I served with the 82nd Airborne as a Light Weapons Combat Infantryman and I find it difficult to believe that combat hardened soldiers stood around and did nothing while the shooter emptied a mag, released the mag and loaded another and did this at least FIVE times.
Why didn't they rush him while he was reloading?
The only way that scenario works is if there were multiple shooters in different locations and they were confused about the directions the shots were coming from.
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 23, 2009 3:20 AM
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And telling more lies to get Americans to stay in Iraq, wouldn't that be treason?
BTW, Chuck old boy, you do know what the penalty for treason during wartime is, don't you?
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» Your so right, and I think that is why those soldiers shot their officers at Ft Hood...
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» Here is another article from a reputable paper about two other shooters....
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 23, 2009 4:02 AM
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The issue is not the failings of the Military, but the society that creates and maintains it..
The Rhetoric of the Neo Cons and Fundementalists have been systematically ex communicating groups of citizens from the memebership list for decades.
Apprently If I as a woman do not hold the same ideas as Sarah and her psycho followers,It's not that I'm just not a Republican, I'm not an American.
This poses a great danger to these UNITED States. This country's strength and perserverance has come from our diversity of people and ideas.
If a group claims 'you are not one of Us' then it is only logically that you seek a group who does welcome your participation.
As much as AQ is building it's recruitments through propaganda, these Right wing Evangelicals are helping push people their way.
Hasan was pushed into the arms of radical islam by the Evangelical 'End of Days' zealots of our own country.
Let's not be so naive as to think this "christian"taliban is only seeking to get operatives in Public office, they are working on building their 'Army for Christ'.
It is not Muslims we need to discharge from our military but any form of 'End of Dayer' who is literally Hell bent on a 'Holy War' (Armegddon) by any means necessary- Political, economic or militarily.
Hasan became 'One of Them" because he was Told he was not One of US.
This Resurgence Apocalyptic 'christianity' poses a far greater danger to this country than any Mulsim version.There are far more of these type Armeggonist in our Gov't, Military, and private sector who are intentionally provoking (facilitating) a needless (if not utterly Immoral) Crusade in the name of their Idol.
We are not a 'Christian Nation' - We are not the Swat valley!
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Nov 23, 2009 4:36 AM
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I would also suggest that the US Military has a policy of rarely showing compassion as in our current situtaton, if they do so too many soldiers would do anything to get out of serving in hostile places like Iraq and Afganistan for personal or political reasons.
I hope some senior officers who did have the authority to change his orders or recommend his discharge also face disipline, including a court-martial or forced into retirement.
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Posted by: homingpigeon on Nov 23, 2009 4:59 AM
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 23, 2009 6:57 AM
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Posted by: cpotter on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 AM
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He could have just deserted, or he could have just refused to deploy, he could have refused to continue doing his job. Would these actions have consequences? Sure. But, nothing approaching the tragic consequences to the soldiers who he attacked and their families. And certainly nothing like the consequences he will personally face when he is prosecuted.
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Posted by: sayward2 on Nov 23, 2009 8:40 AM
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We hate Iran, even though we destroyed their democratically elected government in the 1950s and put the Shah on the throne.... now we reap the whirlwind- a lot of people who really believe there is a real place for them after death. We will not win unless ever Muslim is dead. Then what? We just see we were the enemy.
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» Excellent, pointed "TRUTH TELLING" which is the enemy of the state.
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Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Nov 23, 2009 8:52 AM
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How can we Demean 200 Million of them who reside in Indonesia in Peace and Harmony?
How can we proscribe our way or no way?
Christianity only.
4000 Million do not accept Jesus Christ as a Messiah but as a Prophet.
How do we convert 4000 Million?
Convert Muslim in the Middle East and still have 1245 Million to go!!
Middle East has 17% of all Muslims.
Stop Demeaning an entire Religion for vile of a few thousand.
Recall vileness of Japanese. Chinese. Soviets.Italians.South Aficans. on and on and on
now world places us there in Iraq-Afghan slaughteramas which are never shown on American TV or in papers.
Americans have never seen or read what others have known. Barbaric acts in Iraq.
How dumb and self centered can we get in our Egobubble?
Get into our EgoBubble and mind our own business.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 AM
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Posted by: mcubed on Nov 23, 2009 10:37 AM
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Not surprising, but NPR shifted the story within the first 24 hours. I like NPR, but they've seemed to usually take the military's "official" word as gospel since at least 2003. Pretty discouraging.
I was yelling at my radio for a couple days as the story shifted all over the media.
Thanks for cataloguing the whitewash.
Michele
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM
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Job satisfaction would seem to be a sideline in this case, the stuff of sensationalism and speculation.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM
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Most countries have their own bullies. The game then becomes who can be the craziest bully on the block, and the violence escalates. Their bullies fight our bullies to see who gets the spoils. Sometimes the victims of the bullies go crazy themselves and lash out. Then all the bullies blame the peaceful people (hippies) for the bloodbath.
The human race is insane.
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM
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The problem w/a Lie, you need lots of layers to keep it alive.
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Posted by: pg on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM
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There are many soldiers that object to the war and many who do not want to be deployed for a host of valid reasons. They don't kill their fellow soldiers. Most serve with honor, a few desert.
Like any traumatic news event the initial reports are rarely right. That does not mean a cover-up or change of focus from the "real cause."
If Hasan was a white male who shot up an abortion clinic I expect the author and most posters would rightly have no problem labeling the shooting as religiously motivated.
The evidence in on the Fort Hood shooting is pointing to religious motivation.
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» You are shooting first before getting the answers...
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» You didn't read the Alternet article!
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» RE: So Hasan is a victim now BS!
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» So it was an act of war or murderous sedition?
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» So it was an act of war or murderous sedition?
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» Hasan is yet another victim of Bloody Hands Bush's legacy.
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Posted by: Old Skeptic on Nov 23, 2009 12:34 PM
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At any rate, he chose to commit murder and assault; no one pushed him into it. How much of it is connected to his religion only he can answer, but we do know that he communicated several times with the jihadist imam in ...Yemen? It is hard to believe that his religion had nothing to do with it, at least as a contributing factor.
He is now permanently paralyzed, so no matter how the court case comes out, he will be permanently imprisoned in his own body. Good enough for him!
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 23, 2009 2:56 PM
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There are so many stories out there, it looks as if someone is deliberately muddying the waters. As a poster above noted, this guy died and was resurrected and didn't even get a holiday named after him. Shooters are here and there and then disappear. It looks as if someone took an event and tried to mold it into soemthing other than what it was to serve a political purpose.
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Posted by: camusrebel on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM
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OK....you do not report multiple shooters are in custody without someone with authority telling you multiple shooters are in custody.
The real "tell" is how all the "news" orgs. have gone back and scrubbed their archives of all mention of multiple shooters. But we don't mind. Yes master, reality is what ever you tell us master. Yes, he was evil, of course it is obvious, yes Master, a very, very bad man, yesssss. i saw that video of him at the 7-11 in his bath robe yesssss Master, you showed me that clip dozens of times.....not one word from an eyewitness....its fine Master, what happened is what you tell me happened. And my virtual steak is deee-lish! I'm so happy. The world is perfect.
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» Scrub Other Shooters??
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Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 23, 2009 5:58 PM
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NO ONE in their right mind murders fellow service men and women because the Army refuses you a deployment request.
That thought is nothing more than insane. Would you like us to forget all those emails and donations to extreme Muslim groups and leaders???
Face it - he's a terrorists who takes up the Muslim jihad cause with which this nation happens to be at war with. Hence not only is he a murderer but a traitor as well. Both crimes are punishable by death!
Allah, here he comes!
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» KSM and Osama are innocent too - America drove them insane
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» Let's get real [that would be a welcome change from you warmongers; but I'm not holding my breath]
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Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Nov 23, 2009 6:33 PM
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Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Nov 24, 2009 11:32 AM
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The difference is in the way he reacted to his convictions. Other options he had.
*Refuse to go, and fight it out in court.
*Go AWOL, Soldiers do it all the time.
*Defect to the Middle East and Join Al Quida.
*resign and pay back the cost of his education.
But he chose to load 2 guns and go on a killing spree that took the innocent lives of others who may have felt the same as him.
I believe this act is very revealing, it shows us that he actually had no qualms with the war, but was unhappy with his role in it. He simply preferred to be killing Americans not defending them.
He was not offended by the act of killing. He simply chose to murder unarmed soldiers. Had he wanted to actually fight them he could have made his stand at one of the many "Live Firing" ranges at Fort Hood and tried his luck against equally armed soldiers.
No, this was an ignorant coward, a man who wanted to be a martyr and ended up a nefarious paraplegic.
The only fault of the military was to have overlooked his intentions until it was too late. Had they sniffed him out sooner for the piece of crap traitor he was, many lives would have been saved.
For this writer to overlook all the obvious options available to Hasan and blame his actions on the fact he wanted out of the service is in itself a scrubbing away of the truth.
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» Hasan pursued all options to be dischared, or granted an exemption from being deployed.
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» Major Hasan pursued all options. Have you lost your reading and comprehension skills?
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Posted by: morgan1 on Nov 24, 2009 1:44 PM
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Posted by: leland61 on Nov 28, 2009 8:01 PM
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Why are liberals so afraid to face the fact that Jihadisism is a 'faith based program'. It is just exactly that. As for this 'psychiatrist' - why shouldn't he be deployed - were they going to change his role and have him shooting rockets at enemy positions? If not he was going to help people with their problems - WTF reason is there that we send religious nutters to help anybody anyway - so there was no excuse for not going - EXCEPT FOR ONE - RELIGION - SUPERSTITION - NONSENSE - CRAPOLA RELIGION.
9/11 was nothing more or less than a faith based initiative by Muslims trying to make the world safe for allah - their own sick version of the genocidal maniac of Hebrew scripture.
A pox on all their gods and religions, source of murder, mayhem and misery for millennia.
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