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Feds Wanted Private Data on All Visitors to Liberal News Site

By Daniel Tencer, Raw Story. Posted November 11, 2009.


A Justice Department subpoena requesting information on visitors to an independent news site is raising serious privacy concerns.
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A Justice Department subpoena requesting all available information on all visitors to an independent news site is raising serious privacy concerns, and questions about how much information the US government is storing about its citizens' news reading habits.

Privacy watchdog Electronic Frontier Foundation has released an extensive report on a "bogus" attempt by a US attorney in Indiana to get Indymedia.us, an independent left-leaning news site, to hand over all the data it had about all the users who visited the site on a particular day.

Further adding to civil libertarians' and privacy watchdogs' concerns is the fact that the Justice Department ordered Indymedia to keep silent about the request.

"This overbroad demand for internet records not only violated federal privacy law but also violated [Indymedia's] First Amendment rights, by ordering [it] not to disclose the existence of the subpoena without a US attorney’s permission," the EFF's Kevin Bankston wrote.

And while Indymedia is an unabashedly left-wing news site, advocating causes such as gay rights and anti-globalization, some of the site's defenders in the wake of the subpoena controversy are right-wing pundits who are drawing a parallel between the Indymedia case and the war of words between the White House and Fox News.

Fox News host Glenn Beck sent out a Twitter message on Tuesday drawing attention to the Indymedia story. Though the Tweet was non-committal -- "Interesting times we live in. Can't wait to see what this story is about." -- it did raise the unusual prospect of a prominent right-wing commentator championing the rights of a left-wing news site.

"Beck claims to be a libertarian, so it’s no surprise that his hackles might be raised by this case,"writes Robert Quigley at the Mediaite blog. "But more broadly, it’s understandable why this could alarm the right-wing media and its consumers. They already have a sense that the Obama administration is out for their heads (cf. the Fox News feud with the White House)."

Quigley argued that Indymedia's outspokenness, rather than its political leanings, could have made the news site a target. "You don’t have to be a ‘wingnut’ to be concerned about the government trying to ferret out the entire readership of a publication and then bar anyone from talking about it," he wrote.

According to the EFF, Indymedia received a request (PDF) in January for the IP addresses of everyone who visited the Indymedia site on June 25, 2008. But the request went further than simply asking for the computer addresses of visitors -- the subpoena ordered Indymedia to turn over all identifying information it may have about visitors, including their addresses, email addresses, bank account numbers and social security numbers.

However, as EFF points out, most Web sites don't collect that sort of data from typical visitors. And in the case of Indymedia, their records of visitors' IP addresses are stored only for a short time. So when Indymedia -- now represented by the EFF -- challenged the subpoena, it argued that the news site was unable to provide that sort of information to the federal government.


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Feds using reverse psychology on the media and the sheeple?
Posted by: suzieque on Nov 11, 2009 1:55 AM   
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What better way to make sure a story gets out than for the Justice Dept to tell the left-leaning media, "Now do NOT tell any one about this, and we mean it!" Then, having the public "find out" about this is a good way to make some people leery of visiting any "questionable" websites. At least the people who are vulnerable to fear and intimidation, which is about 70% of the population or more. Enough intimidation to keep any (knowledge of) peaceful uprising in check? (waving at the J.D)

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Enough
Posted by: kittybrat on Nov 11, 2009 2:40 AM   
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There is no excuse for this exercise in public mistrust.
The feds do not belong monitoring our reading habits, nor do they have any right to pressure the independent media to hand over anything.
I want to see what the White House says about this one...
Where's the change?

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Media is media
Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 AM   
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It makes no difference if you are right or left wing... media is media and they have certain rights... up to the point they are breaking the law and endangering the national security.

Fox has been attacked by Obama for their views - this obviously seems different - it's not the views but the company they may be keeping!

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Where've y'all been?
Posted by: westomoon on Nov 11, 2009 4:34 AM   
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This kind of fishing expedition with gag order has been going on since the so-called Patriot Act was passed 6 or 7 years ago. When they suddenly started randomly demanding data dumps from libraries and bookstores and Google via unappealable "National Security letters" that included a gag order on revealing the demand, was Tencer out of the country or in a coma? Or is news not noteworthy until Glenn Beck "reports" it?

The Patriot Act is alive and well, though apparently no one is willing to use it to discourage actual terrorism. Small-town cops are still enjoying the privilege of being able to detain inconvenient people with no charges because of it. Having this law on the books is kinda like having a loaded assault weapon at a public gathering -- an incitement to weirdness.

As to the timing -- anything that happened 10 days after Obama's inauguration cannot be laid at Eric Holder's door. Until a Cabinet member is sworn in, they have no authority to act. Of course, since Glenn Beck is in the mix on this one, the same neocon "logic" that blames the collapse of the economy in September 1998 on a President who wouldn't even be elected til two months later may be in use.

Perhaps the same amnesia that blanked out all the fuss about Patriot Act fishing expeditions has also blanked out all memory of the politicization of the Justice Department. Does the name Monica Goodling ring any bells? Those same civil-service employees who were hired in droves solely because of their neoconservative and fundamentalist-Christian credentials are still working in DOJ.

And ten days after Obama's inauguration, the US Attorney in Indiana would still have been the person appointed to the job by George Bush -- the same US Attorney's job that people were fired from for not being sufficiently neocon. Any memory of the David Iglesias case?

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» Sorry, meant "2008" Posted by: westomoon
» RE: Where've y'all been? Posted by: trusetufree
» RE: True. The real problem is... Posted by: oregoncharles
We need Alternative Media Now More than Ever
Posted by: RationalityPlease on Nov 11, 2009 5:05 AM   
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I'd never heard of the Indymedia site, so thanks for posting the link. If supporting alternative media gets me put on a "list", so be it.

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Pure Thought Is The Only Privacy
Posted by: melpol on Nov 11, 2009 5:24 AM   
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The ability to gather personal information is awesome. A high-tech geek can uncover almost anything. Computers can be easily invaded without the owners knowledge. Privacy no longer exists. In the name of homeland security a government agency can strip a person bare, all is known. Liberals and conservatives that express their views are seen as radical. The only way a person can maintain privacy is by remaining silent, and retreat into pure thought.

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change the story title, please
Posted by: johnthetreehugger on Nov 11, 2009 6:04 AM   
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dear Alternet,

please change the title of the story.

Indymedia is not "liberal."

While they don't have clearly defined politics, they are way further left than most, and generally proud of it.

It would be better to simply describe Indymedia as left or radical, but in a time when most corporate whore Democrats are considered "liberal", Indymedia is certainly well beyond that milquetoast political label.

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» RE: Yes. Posted by: oregoncharles
Left wondering
Posted by: majr17440 on Nov 11, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Left wondering what a photo shot of the home page for that date might have revealed. What the government cannot control it fears. If this be a rogue entity operating legally intimidation is always employed. Nothing new, Never thought the white house only had issue with fox news. Anyone presenting an opposing view to the capitalist, consumerist lifeblood of this country will be targeted.

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wait a minute
Posted by: carolcarre on Nov 11, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Beck argues that this is a sign of Obama's administration persecution of Fox News and it happened in 2008? Under Bush? Wingnuts are really living in a time warp, where everything is Obama's fault, it doesn't matter when it happened.

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» RE: wait a minute Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: wait a minute Posted by: Eric.Arthur.Blair
» In a way, it doesn't matter Posted by: james108
» RE: In a way, it doesn't matter Posted by: stardustdrifter
WHO DECIDES WHO IS LIBERAL?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 11, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Are they seriously seeking out information or just telling us they are? Either one will work to shut people up for fear of being found out. Nobody asked me, but I'd be much more concerned with the extremist and radical websites. I don't know of any Liberal plans to do anyone harm. What's wrong with not liking people who would harm others? It's more about finding the people who disagree with them. ANNA

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» RE: WHO DECIDES WHO IS LIBERAL? Posted by: BobPomeroy
Why the "right" should care about the "left" and vice versa
Posted by: james108 on Nov 11, 2009 6:58 AM   
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We're all targets. It's independents, and not really right or left wingers they look for. Obama was continuing the con job on the public way before he was president, and supported the Patriot Act and FISA unconstitutional spying. He was preaching the "rightness" of the war in Afghanistan and his promise to take no options off the table with Iran before being sworn in. He marginalized single payer advocates as fringe political pariahs, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them made the watch list too.

It did seem like the harassment shifted from left leaning independents to right leaning ones, especially with the FBI's new handouts include people with Ron Paul stickers in the watchlists... Before that it was nuns and quakers promoting peace, and for all I know, the list was just expanded not replaced. Maybe much of the "left" doesn't feel it anymore because the left leaning anti war anti corporate bailout crowds seem to have either forgot it was still going on or gave up or started campaigning for Obama and never quit. I know many non-activists became bitter about conservatives having their heads in the sand before and now enjoy rubbing the corporate fascism in republicans faces for some reason. If we start covering for this BS, both the left and right loses. It may sound crazy, but this intellectual cock-block of the parties and powers actually stifles our potential for peace and progress, as a country and race, and the chaos is profitable for some.

I do like this poem:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

I'd modernize it a little though:

Two planes hit 2 buildings, 3 came down, all 3 spontaneously imploding for the first time in history. We culled thousands of Afghans and used it as the reason to continue preplanned invasions, with no proof of culpability, and those that questioned were monitored and called crazy.
People marched for peace, and were tracked as dangerous extremists. They went away, either tired, tricked, or just gone.
The game changed faces, and the former progressives started silencing conservatives emerging for their sleep walking nightmare.
Nobody remembered the point, and the bastards won.

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» RE: E.G.: Ruby Ridge and Waco Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Congratulations. Posted by: oregoncharles
Hello! What Do You Think The Warrantless Wiretap Program Was About?
Posted by: Ishmael1 on Nov 11, 2009 7:05 AM   
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I wonder why they issued these subpoenas and NSLs when they're already monitoring everyone's communications on the web anyway?

Go to Sibel Edmonds' Boiling Frogs Post and read my piece, "An Analysis of the Warrantless Wiretap Program". Listen to the podcast interviews with Intelligence writer James Bamford and NSA Whistleblower Russell Tice available there. Listen to their revelations of the two new, huge NSA data centers being built in Utah and Texas or the parallel National Telcomm Traffic Control Center being built at Fort Meade, the one identical to A.T.&T.'s NTCC in Bedminster, NJ. Total Information Awareness is here. The NSA is using threats of hacker attacks against the telecomm and power nets to justify intrusive surveillance on all of us.

Go to The Jeff Farias Show and listen to yesterday's podcast that discusses my piece and it's implications for the loss of privacy to all of us.

Maybe then you'll be outraged enough to demand our representatives do something about it other than make it worse. At the very least, you'll know more about it than you did before and that will be saved in your own personal dossier, just like it's probably in mine as well.

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The "Feral Government" or the "Sopranos"?
Posted by: magistre on Nov 11, 2009 7:08 AM   
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It most bothers me that threats of "bodily harm" were made. This is a verbal assault (threat) and nothing is done about it.

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Total Electronic Surveillance
Posted by: MT512 on Nov 11, 2009 7:11 AM   
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The article ends asking...

"How often does the government attempt such illegal fishing expeditions through internet data?"

My hunch is that the government doesn't do it "often." It just does it. In real time. Every e-mail, every phone conversation, every broadcast, scanned by programs whose parameters can be easily changed to target whatever and whoever they want.

Oh look, maybe it's not just a hunch after all... They do say that it's still difficult for computers to decode human speech. But now, and forevermore, data privacy appears to be a myth.

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One who is not scared....
Posted by: Dak on Nov 11, 2009 7:41 AM   
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Methinks the FBI would better spend its time on observing and eliminating such tragedies as soliers killing other soliders.
Happy Fort Hood Day, FBI! Mission Accomplished!

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» RE: One who is not scared.... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: One who is not scared.... Posted by: Bibsisis
Surf without leaving tracks.
Posted by: reelectnoone on Nov 11, 2009 7:48 AM   
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Let's start using an anonymous proxy to surf and send emails. Free.

http://anonymouse.org/

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» RE: Surf without leaving tracks. Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: A masterpiece of sarcasm, Tony! Posted by: oregoncharles
» Okay. Thanks Tony. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Okay. Thanks Tony. Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: Useful information. Thanks. Posted by: oregoncharles
I think it's past time for Obama a/k/a "Mr. Change" to start reining-in our
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 11, 2009 7:55 AM   
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federal-government-gone-wild!

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This Story is 16 Months Old I Assumed Intelligence Services Have Been Collecting Such Data For Years
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 11, 2009 7:56 AM   
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I don't necessarily object to the monitoring and collecting of such data, when there are real potential threats or evidence of criminal activity.

In fact I know such activity goes on - on virtually a routine basis with regards to planned or actual denial of service attacks both by companies in control of Internet Service Provision and Government/Police Security. Its right and proper that it should, otherwise the Internet would rapidly become unusable as a result of geeky teenage kids creating mayhem - as well as foreign government agents.

But normally such stories aren't published. The idea should be both to prevent such attacks and to trace the criminals when they occur and prosecute them.

This story to me, seems designed to tell bloggers to ShutTheFuckUp - because You are Being Monitored - and We Know Who You Are and If You Don't STFU, then don't be surprised when you are arrested or disappeared.

Just a part of moving to a total Fascist State.

The issue of course, though - is that if You Haven't Got Freedom of Speech - even if its to discuss hairy monsters you've seen coming out of a UFO at te bottom of your Garden, then You have already lost what you thought was your Freedom.

You should be allowed to think and say anything, so long as you are not personally abusive, threatening violence, or involved in fraudulent or other criminal activity.

A poster on Alternet used to use the handle thoughtcriminal. He got banned. However, he is still posting, because his style is unmistakable. So far as I am aware, he has never threatened anyone or done anything criminal.

If you attend a political demonstration in the UK, you are highly likely to be photographed, and your data stored on a police database (together with your DNA if they actually arrest you for farting). This kind of stuff is much the same - but so what?

The internet works both ways, and the criminal activities of The Powers That Be are also recorded and well documented. Society Changes. The Third Reich didn't actually last very long, and many of the Nazi War Criminal were eventually Arrested and Prosecuted.

Tony

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How the FBI views Indymedia
Posted by: LegumeSam on Nov 11, 2009 8:05 AM   
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might have some bearing on this. The FBI views Indymedia as a group of anarchists. And the FBI thinks anarchists are terrorists. At least this is so according to the propaganda the FBI itself issues.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Nov 11, 2009 8:55 AM   
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Our government is so broken that we should throw it out. To think that it is so afraid of it's citizens that it must spy on them continuously. I was always taught that decent was necessary for the health of the republic. So when did that change.

We all know that our government is run by the corporations so what is the pay off to them? Maybe that people as stated will not collect to discuss just how bad things really are in this country and come up with a way to change it.

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check out Transparent Society by Brin
Posted by: free2disagree on Nov 11, 2009 9:41 AM   
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It's too late to stop some of the invasions of privacy that are possible with modern technology. Whether there are laws about it or not, it will be happening.

A more pragmatic strategy might be to open up even further, so there are fewer "secret" databases. The "secret" nature of the surveillence can be as important as the actual information gathered.

If we all know what is being checked out and by whom, everyone can look over everyone else's shoulders. For instance, if anyone could go online at any time and look at police surveillence video of jail cells or interrogation rooms, there might be fewer abuses happening there.

This book discusses the importance of who is allowed/not allowed to look, as well as who/what is being looked at, among other issues. While I do not agree with everything in this book, it's a very interesting angle to consider, in my opinion.

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"Karl Rove" to the End
Posted by: jadedinCali on Nov 11, 2009 9:48 AM   
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In the Rovian world of the Bush administration, leaving time bombs and booby traps for the succeeding administration would follow a longstanding Republican tradition. Republicans have made it clear that they are extremely sore losers going back to the Clinton arrival at the White House where all of the computers were wiped clean of everything including their operating systems. The Republican's mission when out of power is to undermine and disrupt any Democratic administration they lose to.

With that premise, the notion of leaving behind last-minute public relations land mines is totally consistent. A thoroughly illegal subpoena, covered by a thoroughly illegal gag order, issued in the last minutes of a lame duck administration, is sure to point accusing fingers at the successors.

Holder's best line of response would be to thoroughly investigate the chain of command that led to the subpoena and gag order, grill the participants for any hints of Bush White House input, and then publicize the whole mess.

Personally, I doubt that there was any White House influence. As the Valerie Plame affair made clear, the whole culture of the Bush administration was "anything goes," as long as it undermined the opposition to Republican goals and policies. This gambit is totally consistent with that "above the law" culture.

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» RE: "Karl Rove" to the End Posted by: willymack
» GOP: Operation Scorched Earth Posted by: eddie torres
OVERWHELM THEM...EVERYONE JOIN THE SITE!
Posted by: gtr2 on Nov 11, 2009 9:53 AM   
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First of all, this looks like a Bush operation and yes, 10 days into Obama's tenure it cannot be laid at Holder's door. That said, we have no guarantee -- given all the other Obama disappointments -- that this kind of stuff is not Business as Usual. Seems like this article is a great advertisement for Indymedia! Just went to the website. It appears to be a media center that tracks the status of various activist events, protester arrests, etc. Would be great to see their readership increase. Give the feds more and more to keep track of, until they are overwhelmed keeping track of those of us who are not "on the front lines" -- thus allowing more real activists to slip under the net.

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» RE: Excellent Suggestion. Posted by: oregoncharles
» Terrorist Mickey Mouse Posted by: MT512
There was...
Posted by: djkrugger on Nov 11, 2009 10:06 AM   
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"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live - did live, from habit that became instinct-in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."
-1984, George Orwell-

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» RE: There was... Posted by: MT512
Hey Prez Obama
Posted by: Drclaw on Nov 11, 2009 10:23 AM   
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FUCK ....YOU


put that in yer pipe of change and smoke it.

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Thought Police 1984 Is Here
Posted by: New American on Nov 11, 2009 10:24 AM   
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This story should be alarming to folks of all political stripes, left or right. How does the classic poem go?
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

I can't put this any better. Keep the web free, practice your freedom of speech, and fight to protect that freedom for others, even ones you can't stand or don't agree with. It's the American thing to do, no matter what side of bed you fall out of.

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billybookworm
Posted by: billybookworm on Nov 11, 2009 10:33 AM   
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The subpoena at the link does not support the claims regarding its breadth.

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Calm down
Posted by: Mazer2 on Nov 11, 2009 12:15 PM   
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The actions reported in this story don't seem ominous to me at all. There's no mention of why the subpoena was requested; it could easily have been for legitimate reasons. E.g. Maybe they found bomb-making materials with a print-out from the website created on the date specified.

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» RE: Calm down Posted by: billybookworm
The (un) patriot act has got to go
Posted by: willymack on Nov 11, 2009 1:17 PM   
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And all the bushie assholes rounded up, tried, convicted, and put in PRISON.

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Please turn over ALL your personal and financial info to...
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM   
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the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Intimidation NOW or else we'll send some frisky 'customer service reps' from Blackwater or Triple Canopy or DynCorp or SAIC to visit you at 3 am.

Your friend

FBI Special Agent I. R. Jackoff

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Readers of Alternet and other liberal sites
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 11, 2009 4:00 PM   
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should visit Indynet every day, flood the site with names and visitors. That will keep the government busy. That is what I plan to do.

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Only news because the Feds asked?
Posted by: billwald on Nov 11, 2009 4:18 PM   
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They can't use illegally obtained info in court?

Anyone out there think the don't already have the data?

Saw a story awhile back that the NSA was building a new computer facility in Utah that will draw more power than the total residential draw of Salt Lake City.

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GOP: Operation Scorched Earth
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 11, 2009 4:44 PM   
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Obama really didn't get around to the subject of major DoJ attorney replacements until May, to the chagrin of many who thought the Bush DoJ was a total farce. So this Indymedia.us subpoena may be more related to Bush policy inertia and previous administration employees than Obama.

In fact, the Bush Admin moved within weeks of the election to protect the jobs of many political appointees, but that's actually a common Presidential practice. Bush also handed out at least 100 big jobs to big campaign donors ("Pioneers") in the final days of his Admin.

But Scott Horton (Harper's) talked to Rachael Maddow about "stay-behinds" in February, and warned that: "I think we may see sabotage as well. Certainly there are going to be efforts to portray what Obama is doing as continuity rather than change, to try and undermine Obama's message."

A lot of other reporters have material that backs up this claim.

Sam Stein and Stephen Webster openly asked whether burrowed Bush employees in the Pentagon leaked info to deliberately sabotage Obama's Guantanamo reform plans. And the CIA, after years of witholding information on its rendition programs, flipped on the torture issue by tring to pin it on Democrats in Congress - sounds like a pretty common Rovian tactic to me.

The more worrisome stay-behind actions were speculated on by Seymour Hersh in an interview with Terry Gross, claiming Cheney had left loyal moles behind in defense and the spy community. This was just after Cheney blundered about in March - just 6 weeks after leaving office - shouting "the US is less safe under Obama" and "We didn't break the economy". Robert Gates - a Bush appointee forced on him by wiser minds - had to threaten to "force some Bush appointees out of the Pentagon with an ethics pledge."

Related to this, many former Bush officials have refused to cooperate with DoJ investigations into warrantless wiretapping.

And 17 of 24 former Bush Cabinet members who didn't burrow into government just hopped on the perfectly legal revolving door of lobbying, where they're probably writing legislation with far more influence then their old jobs ever had.

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WTF The Feds are spying on us???
Posted by: Doubtom43 on Nov 11, 2009 5:33 PM   
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Well, this gives me an excellent opportunity to tell the NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA, ATBF, and the various police agencies who constantly wander outside of their legal areas, to kiss my royal patootie! I'm shaking in my boots! Bring it on you miserable pissants! You wouldn't make a pimple on a decent American's ass if you're so quick to spy on our citizens.

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WTF The Feds are spying on us???
Posted by: Doubtom43 on Nov 11, 2009 5:33 PM   
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Well, this gives me an excellent opportunity to tell the NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA, ATBF, and the various police agencies who constantly wander outside of their legal areas, to kiss my royal patootie! I'm shaking in my boots! Bring it on you miserable pissants! You wouldn't make a pimple on a decent American's ass if you're so quick to spy on our citizens.

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I KNOW WHY indymedia.org JULY 2005 DOJ RICO
Posted by: Kimberly on Nov 11, 2009 7:02 PM   
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everyone who visited the Indymedia site on June 25, 2008.Complicating the matter is the fact that the Justice Department has released no information about what case or investigation the Indymedia request is connected to.
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indymedia.org -- 2005-July, 0707-hi.html - Objectionable Listserv Posting
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RE: "Lawsuit Abuse Reduction Act", T18CFR242CRIME - djb@ksklaw.com KAREN SMITH KIENBAUM & ASSOCIATES,P.C.A law firm emphasizing labor and employment matters and ALTERNATE DISPUTE RESOLUTION~white collar crime-misrepresentations 42CFR438.704-HHS|HMO T42CFR417.1 & HAPCORP.ORG-ILLEGAL AGREEMENT -systematic denial of covered claims T18CFR286CRIME~Color of Law Karen Smith Kienbaum & Associates,P.C.The International Center Building,400 Monroe,Suite 470, Detroit, Michigan 48226 313-967-0700-indymedia.org , 2005-July , 0707-hi.html-- Objectionable Listserv Posting Darren J. Burmania djb at ksklaw.com Thu Jul 7 11:33:09 PDT 2005 To Whom It May Concern:
I have been asked to contact your organization regarding the removal/editing of a listserv posting that it particularly objectionable. The link to this particular item is:indymedia.org, pipermai,imc-ftaa/2004-October,1001-aa.html.... Note: Judge dismissed'Sua Sponte'meaning: without the litigants having presented the issue for consideration [misrepresentations 42CFR438.704 RICO]The reason the item is objectionable is not that it is regarding the "Lawsuit Abuse Reduction Act", but rather that the posting references a particular suit filed against [OPM OIG and State of Michigan~T18CFR242CRIME ]a Social Worker that was dismissed as FRIVOLOUS.In that case the JUDGE FOUND that the lawsuit[ T5CFR890.105 JUDICIAL REVIEW OF DENIED COVERED CLAIMS ]was FRIVOLOUS and WITHOUT MERIT, but the listserv entry suggests the CONTRARY.The [Hospital] Social Worker [Discharge Procedures HHS T42CFR417.1 Alternate Dispute Resolution:T18CFR286CRIME grievance procedure: Systematic denial of Existing OPM FEHB T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services,Adverse Determination, to force -fraud by fright,illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid T42CFR409.33 Kickback Conversion-felony]in question is Ms.MARLA RUHANA.She 'was named in a lawsuit in 2003' for allegedly abusing a patient[ Retired OPM FEHB ],but no evidence of misconduct was found.Rather, Ms. Ruhana was cleared of all charges, and it was found that the family filed A FRIVOLOUS SUITE BECAUSE Ms. Ruhana had reported abuse[ False Police Report 41399 Intimidation -threat to jail OPM FEHB Spouse for refusing to defraud HCFA State T42CFR409.33 Medicaid]by the parents of the child she was treating.The listserv posting, however, would lead one to believe that Ms. Ruhana was actually found guilty of misconduct,which she was not. The reason this listserv entry is problematic and has come to the attention of Ms. Ruhana is because when her name is 'Googled' the listserv entry is the third or fourth item listed, which is very troubling for a highly regarded and dedicated mental health professional.She was THE SUBJECT[ DETERMINING RIGHTS SSA 1128b ]of a FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITE and is now being portrayed as someone who committed " CRIMINAL ABUSE "[ HAPCORP.ORG and HHS illegal agreement HHS|HMO T42CFR417.1 Anti-dumping and Anti-kickback violation - resulting in death, 2 weeks as threatened ~ RICO]when there has never been any evidence of such. Ms. Ruhana has become very upset to learn that this posting can be accessed by patients, colleagues, friends and family, when she was found completely innocent by a federal judge. We are not asking that the entire posting be removed, nor are we necessarily objecting to the subject matter of the posting. We do ask, however, that, at a minimum, Ms. Ruhana's name be completely removed from the posting as she was never found [T18CFR1518CRIME -T18CFR371CRIME - T18CFR242CRIME][ T18CFR1518CRIME - T18CFR371CRIME - T18CFR242CRIME ]to have committed any wrongdoing.

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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 11, 2009 7:46 PM   
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He is Going Through Quite Aweful Trauma...

All He Wants To Do Is Meet a Beautiful Girl Who He Can Completely Fall In Love With - And Live With Her Happily For The Rest Of His Life and Have His Own Children With and Be a Happy Family

He is Such a Nice Bloke - And We All Love Him So Much - But He Has Completely Fallen In Love With His Dog

Thank Fuck The Dog Is a Boy and He's Had Mim Done

These Fucking Golden Retrievers - Even My Wife and I Fall In Love - But His Dog Isn't Golden...

He Tries To Make Out That He's Not...

But whenever he sees a Young Blonde Walk Past - He Gets an Enormous Erection

And I Say to Him - Isn't It Time You Had Your Dog Done

But the nicest thing he said was that My Wife and I were some of his Closest Friends...

I said - Look You Have Got It

Just Like My Wife and I Have

We Have Hearts Of Gold

We Are Nice To People and Fall In Love With People - But Our Cats Aren't Too Keen On Your Dog

And We Are Delighted That You are Moving House...

You Are Leaving Your Life With Her - Who Didn't Want To Have Children...

You Still are In Your 30's - There is Plenty of Time Yet...

If It is Going To Happen, It Will Happen Naturally - You Will Just Fall In Love and Will Want To Spend The Rest Of Your Life With Her...

If You Have Children Then That is Just a Gift To Celebrate Your Love

Tony

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In real terms, what does it mean to have the FBI after you?
Posted by: Paul_C on Nov 11, 2009 9:01 PM   
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Karen Pickett describes in federal court how the FBI hounded Earth First! activists:

"During closing arguments of this six-week trial, attorney for the plaintiffs Tony Serra called the unholy union between the Oakland Police and the FBI’s anti-terrorism unit (Squad 13) the “KGB of the FBI.”...

Thursday, May 24, 1990, is fresh in my memory. Shortly after noon, a pipe bomb exploded in Earth First! activist Judi Bari’s car as she drove through Oakland, California, with Darryl Cherney. They were organizing for Redwood Summer: a season-long campaign modeled after the 1960s civil rights campaign Mississippi Freedom Summer. We hoped to build a resistance that could stand up to the corporate timber beast and rising animosity toward forest activists.

Everything changed the moment the bomb went off. The explosion nearly killed Judi, leaving her disabled for the rest of her life. The time-delayed, motion-triggered, nail-studded bomb was meant to kill her. Within minutes of the explosion, the FBI and Oakland Police Department (OPD) were on the scene, branding Judi and Darryl as terrorists and Earth First! as a known terrorist organization. Within hours and in defiance of all evidence, the cops arrested Judi and Darryl, claiming they were knowingly transporting the bomb.

The bombing followed months of COINTELPRO-style [the FBI’s counterintelligence program] disruption of Earth First! organizing efforts: phony press releases calling for violence; fake terrorism manuals; false media stories; continuous death threats, harassment and surveillance. Even if the FBI had nothing to do with promulgating the threats, slander and violence, they certainly treated what should have been seen as solid leads in the bombing with cavalier indifference, if not a hostile cover-up.

Squad 13 kept a file on Earth First! as well as about 300 other Bay Area groups. Collaboration and conspiracy aside, the co-defendants pointed fingers at each other throughout the trial, the FBI saying the OPD made the arrests and signed the search warrants, the OPD asserting that the feds supplied the information for the warrants and were the “experts.” Regardless of which version you believed, the contradictions did nothing but grow, grow, grow (like Pinocchio’s nose), the more defense testimony we heard."

Read more here:
Jury awards $4.4 million to Earth First!

peace,
Paul

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I failed to record who posted this on Alternet but it says it all about this "war" on Terror
Posted by: Paul_C on Nov 11, 2009 9:21 PM   
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"You are almost 1,000 times more likely to be killed in an auto accident than by terrorists, yet no one seems worried about driving. So why should the average citizen even think about terrorists?

According to the US Dept of State, in 2005, a recent year, the total number of US private citizens killed worldwide by acts of terrorism was 56. (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/65498.pdf)

Fifty-six! Another 17 were injured and 11 others were kidnapped. 84 people affected altogether. Even lightning claimed more American victims than that. This puts the lie to government fear mongering about terrorists.

I'm sorry for those 84 people and their families, but life is inherently not without some risk. Is the loss of 56 lives worth the further expenditure of hundreds or thousands more of our own, not to mention the vast treasure expended on killing foreigners instead of providing for our own at home? And let's not forget the many thousands of civilians killed and maimed and otherwise deprived of liberty in those countries we turn to rubble out of anger (or is it greed for oil)?

Our government is telling us that because of a less than 1 in 5-million chance of becoming a victim of terrorism -- less than the chance of being killed by lightning -- we Americans are expected to surrender rights and liberties -- ostensibly to prevent some bad guys somewhere from depriving us of those very standards of liberal democracy that we are now expected to give up! What kind of perverted logic is that? I do not surrender!

And all the while we blithely ignore the fact that more than 1 in 7,000 of us will be killed in traffic this year."


Shouldn't we be assigning one or two Delta Force teams to take care of the terrorists while declaring "war" on things that really matter to most Americans, such as homelessness, hunger, unemployment, health care, living wages, real pensions, clean energy, and on and on?

But look at what is happening instead: all of the latter are being made infinitely worse while the entire wealth of the nation is squandered on projections of power on the other side of the globe in a virtual wasteland of despair and poverty largely of our own making.

Meanwhile the power barons use this fake "war" as an excuse to institutionalize their long-sought NSA data-mining program and their campaigns of intimidation against citizen groups exercising their constitutional rights.

What is wrong with this picture?

peace,
Paul

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Senorita BOnita
Posted by: Senorita Bonita on Nov 12, 2009 11:08 AM   
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Indiemedia investigation began in the Bush Administration. The subpoena was entered on 1/23/2009 and served 1/30/09; enter date is 3 days after Obama took office. Had to be a Bush decision, as Obama couldn't have got a prosecutor,a federal grand jury and a subpoena in that amount of time. BTW Holder confirmed on 02-02-09 and installation took place on 03-27-09.

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Awesome job
Posted by: secondbanana on Nov 13, 2009 10:17 AM   
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This sounds unrealistic. Who are they going to employ to watch all the posts on all the left-leaning websites? I'd love the job. How much does it pay? Can I do it from home? Seriously, people, there aren't enough federal employees to do this. I am not worried.

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I love Indymedia
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 14, 2009 2:05 PM   
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All its news is posted by peeps on the street. Great, first impression stuff. I love it.

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TIME FOR THE LIGHT OF TRUTH TO SHINE!
Posted by: edthefed on Nov 15, 2009 9:00 PM   
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And the only logical way to transform burning embers into a raging inferno of Enlightenment, is for ALL of the oppressed peoples of the world to somehow come together and rise up against the age-old reign of corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, bloodthirsty warlords and all their kind! We have to keep spreading the the truth about things like global-warming (and ways everybody can help to at least slow it down) , goverment corruption (even if it means dismantling and completely rebuilding entire systems of leadership), the way the majority of the world's excessivly wealthy but small social circle of the "Elite" has been hording everything from money to whole foodstuffs to their very own private "security forces" in the past few years especially while spending as much cash & resources as needed to keep the common folks distracted, confused and generally in the dark about what's really happening all around the globe. Like someone mentioned earlier, different intelligence agencies within our goverment have had open access to sensitive private information via the InterNet since the passing of the Patriot Act under the Bush/Cheney administration. And naturally, they "leak" this information to the media in order to try to intimidate free-thinking individuals into silence on the most effective medium of communication world-wide. In order for Justice to be served and true freedom to had by all one day, we CANNOT afford to let ourselves to be divided and isolated from each other in terms of social networking no matter what the consequences may be! For every bit of hidden knowledge and uncensored truth we can find, post it on the Web for the public at-large to see and share with as many others as possible so we can begin to tip the scales in favor of the earth's masses, We all the People!!

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