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Ugly Truth: Most U.S. Kids Sentenced to Die In Prison Are Black
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This is the second in a two-part series on juvenile life without parole. Read Part One here.
On Monday the U.S. Supreme Court heard two cases that could have major implications for the way juvenile offenders are treated in our criminal justice system. Sullivan v. Florida and Graham v. Florida both involve men who are serving life without the possibility of parole for crimes they were convicted of as teenagers -- crimes in which no one was killed.
Joe Sullivan was only 13 years old when he was accused of sexually assaulting a 72-year-old woman in her Pensacola, Fla., home, hours after he and a group of older teenagers robbed her house. Sullivan, who reportedly suffers from mental disabilities, insisted that, while he participated in the robbery, he did not commit the rape. But his co-defendants, 15-year-old Michael Gulley and 17-year-old Nathan McCants, 17 pinned the crime on him. Both were tried as juveniles; Sullivan was tried as an adult.
Sullivan is African American, a fact that was stressed repeatedly at trial. The victim, Lena Bruner, testified that her assailant was "a colored boy" with "kinky hair" -- "he was quite black, and he was small," she said. Bruner admitted that she "did not see him full in the face," but she remembered him saying, "If you can't identify me, I may not have to kill you."
According to the New York Times, "at his trial, Mr. Sullivan was made to say those words several times." ("'It's been six months,' the woman said on the witness stand. 'It's hard, but it does sound similar.' ")
Sullivan had shabby representation -- his lawyer didn't bother making an opening statement and later lost his license to practice in Florida -- and his one-day trial should have cast serious doubts about his guilt. "The only physical evidence was a fingerprint lifted from a plaque in the bedroom, which could have been made during the burglary," wrote Amy Bach in Slate last week. "The clothing and other evidence have been destroyed and couldn't be tested for DNA." Nevertheless, he was found guilty, and at 14, Sullivan became the youngest person in the country to be sentenced to life without parole.
"I'm going to send him away for as long as I can," the judge said.
Today, Sullivan is one of some 109 prisoners in the country whose non-homicide crimes have condemned them to leave prison only in a coffin. No fewer than 76 of those prisoners are behind bars in Florida. (Until last month there were 77, but 29-year-old Travis Underhill, sentenced to life in 1999 for armed robbery, "collapsed while playing basketball at a Palm Beach County prison on Oct. 8 and died," according to the Miami Herald.) The vast majority -- 84 percent, in Florida -- are African American. On a national level, according to Human Rights Watch, African American youths are serving life without parole at a rate of about 10 times that of white youths.
Monday's oral arguments covered a lot of ground, including whether life-without-parole is comparable to the death penalty (which has been banned for juveniles); whether the purpose, ultimately, is about deterrence or retribution -- "What is the State's interest in keeping ... the defendant in custody for the rest of his life if he has been rehabilitated and is no longer a real danger?" -- whether, for sentencing purposes, there's any practical difference between a 13-year-old or a 10-year-old -- or, for that matter, an 18-year-old and a 17-and-11-month-old ("the line has to be drawn somewhere.") At points, it got downright philosophical ("Why does a juvenile have a constitutional right to hope, but an adult does not?" asked Justice Kennedy.) But at the center of the argument was the question of whether children -- and their potential for rehabilitation -- should be judged by the same standards as that of grown-ups. "To not recognize the difference between a child and an adult is cruel and unusual," defense attorney Bryan Stevenson told Justice Antonin Scalia.
Conspicuously absent from the oral arguments, however, was any discussion of race. The one time Stevenson attempted to mention it, as one of the "arbitrary features" of the distribution of life-without-parole sentences -- these prisoners are "disproportionately kids of color," Stevenson said -- he was interrupted by Justice Alito, who questioned the reliability of his statistics. ("What is your response to the State's argument that these statistics are not peer-reviewed?" he asked.)
It can be tricky to pin down exact numbers when it comes to specific prison populations from state to state, particularly given the differences between sentencing statutes across the country. And states have not traditionally kept track of how many juveniles are in their adult prisons. But when it comes to juvenile lifers, there are some figures that have been widely accepted (and not contested by the state of Florida.)
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Posted by: gazooks on Nov 11, 2009 2:06 AM
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Personally, I can't remember the last time that a high profile case involving an accused juvenile in a violent crime did not involve such a request, and it's granting by a judge not wanting to appear "soft".
When "for profit" prisons are part of the equation, there is then the salivating corruption of being able to fill a cell for profit, for life, which has proven an intermittent embarrassment for states like Colorado and Pennsylvania.
There is NOTHING more perverse in our society than the political and commercial incentives in law enforcement, prosecution and incarceration of youth in-particular. Lust for the building and maintenance of aggressive reputations for "zero tolerance" for offending youth by shallow and short sighted minds, feeds the fear necessary for publicized vote getting.
America, while patting itself on the back as the freedom watchdog for the world, creates domestic nightmare misery and hellish injustice in quenching it's own self inflicted fear with self perpetuating hypocrisy.
Railroading youth, especially those socially disadvantaged, is predatory crime of the first order committed by a legal system of the lowest order.
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Posted by: pangolin on Nov 11, 2009 3:43 AM
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When the state acts in this fashion it's agents become occupiers instead of representatives of engaged citizens.
Next time you hear of a police officer shot at random think back on this article. The only relevant information about these kids jailed for life is that they are black. The cop was blue.
It's all just a color war without true justice.
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Nov 11, 2009 6:30 AM
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Kids producing kids producing kids....and on and on it goes.
The real crime happening in our inner cities and low income communities across this country is the reproductive choice to not use any birth control.
Then, as a crutch.....an old rickety stick used as a crutch.....the word racism is thrown out there as the excuse for this irresponsible lifestyle.
On it goes.
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Nov 11, 2009 6:38 AM
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So...the kids drop out....join gangs.....hang on the streets....kill or get killed........or go to prison.
Sounds like fun to me.
Of course....that old rickety stick comes out.
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Posted by: jleman on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 AM
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Florida remains a backwater banana republic run by racists who are backed up through their counterparts in other southern states in the federal government. This includes the Supreme Court. It is no surprise that their prison system turns out hardened criminals, and imprisons children for life. Nothing has changed over the one and a half hundred years except technology. The rulers are still the little, mean spirited white people. They changed their mantles from being called "Democrates" to "Republicans" because of the Civil Rights legislation. Their churches became their castles. Christ's teachings were long ago deemed too radically liberal to even be considered. After all, what they have is a "slave" problem. Freed slaves, yes. But that was forced upon them so they have the justification to still fight righteously against those laws over the generations. Their hearts haven't changed one bit. They now substitute "those people" for "nigger" in public speech.
Putting a child in prison for life is nothing more than a public display of the ignorance they use in governing which comes from a serious problem of political inbreeding. One could make the case that Florida, out of the fifty children in the family of the Union, is part of the few which remains ignorant out of choice. They enjoy their corruption, meanness and ignorance because it pays them well. One could say they "dehumanize" others but the truth is closer said that they never considered those "others" as human in the first place. It is a systemic problem rooted in their basic views of life.
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Posted by: mlee on Nov 11, 2009 7:08 AM
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"The vast majority -- 84 percent, in Florida -- are African American"
This statistic is meaningless without the accompanying percentage crimes of this nature are committed by african americans. For instance if Whites committed 90% of the serious crimes that are met by life sentences, then this alarm bell is horribly understated, if whites only committed 10% of these crimes then the alarm is overrated as the whites are actually over represented.
While I may guess that whites do commit more than 16% of those crimes, I don't know that, and this article isn't telling.
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Moreover, the spectacle of the "DC Sniper" being put to death last night was like an evil, disgusting, Medieval festival of retribution, revenge, blood feud, etc.!!!
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That is the last thing heard by the members of the multi-racial back to nature group MOVE in May 1985 when the Philadelphia police fired 10,000 rounds of ammunition into their home and then burned down 63 homes to wipe MOVE from the face of the earth. Eleven people died that day including five children.
"This is America, come out with you hands up!"
Words to live by in this puritanical authoritarian Jim Crow run nation.
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Posted by: 2Cool on Nov 11, 2009 11:08 AM
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Round up EVERYONE responsible for this financial mess our country is in, everyone responsible for these bogus "wars on terrorism" and let's see how many of them are black.
The point of the article is that the people in power are using that power against people who are not "like" them. So, 17-year old Ray Ray gets caught on the streets with crack cocaine and is sentenced to life in prison while Adam gets caught with cocaine and gets sentenced to rehab.
That's good, old-fashioned American justice hard at work!
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 AM
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china and afghanistan changed their laws and now the only countries that do this to kids are america and somalia. my guess is that the supreme court will continue it, too, just to show the world what barbarians we really are, (as if that wasn't splat in the world's face by now.) it was just a couple years ago that we became the very last nation on earth to ban the execution of retarded people. bush, when governor of texas, joked about executing retarded young blacks, which he did more than anyone on earth...
US is 70% white but 31% of prisoners are white as they spend 7x more on lawyers and paying off judges... blacks are 13% of americans but are 51% of prisoners...
the rightwing hrumph and say, or think, that this is due to the blacks being 'immoral and basically criminal.' however, wasn't it good white christians who exterminated tens of millions of native peoples and murdered some 8 million africans in the slave trade, then some 35-40 million more africans in the full colonization of africa. put the few surviving injuns into concentration camps called 'reservations' where many were forced, (as were many black slaves) to worship in white man's churches. lynchings, degraded, ridiculed and imprisoned at these rates... if any race has shown itself to be immoral and basically criminal throughout history, the whites take the prize... and i happen to have a white body...
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i found myself recently at a site called disqus that i was directed to by WaPo oped and i couldn't believe the level of violence and threats therein. whew, i mean it gives pause that one of these goons might start stalking one, beat or kill you. being white, they probably wouldn't even be charged...
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Posted by: Kym525 on Nov 11, 2009 12:43 PM
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Do we EVER stop to discuss the sad fact that it's easier to incarcerate than educate inner city children? Do we ever talk about the sad fact that we have a society that basically tells inner city kids--both black and brown--that they are worthless? Do we ever stop to discuss the fact that there are more Bernie Madoffs out there but it's easier to lock up some young non-violent offender for doing something stupid because it makes judges and politicians look "tough"?
There are just as many success stories coming from the inner city as their are the non-success stories, but people choose to remain blind. We cut programs that have been shown to help keep kids away from the temptations of crime and street life, calling them "entitlements".
What's worse is that these issues aren't being addressed because as Eric Holder said, we are a nation of cowards when it comes to race. No one wants to feel offended so we continuously tip-toe around the issue. We ignore it at our peril.
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Posted by: 2Cool on Nov 11, 2009 1:00 PM
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So, why do you think a group of people who were humiliated, raped and murdered like filthy animals would "grow up" to be civilized? Violence has, and always will be, part of the "black" culture because it was instilled in us a LONG time ago.
Once slavery was abolished, slave owners told their "property":
"You're free. We don't owe you jack ish but go out and make a life for yourself".
"Oh and by the way, if you try any of the stuff that we did to you on anyone else in this here country of America, we will tar, feather and hang you".
Good, old-fashion American justice hard at work. And it's a damn shame! LOL!
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It's pretty interesting that most meth users are WHITE. And though meth has been called an "epidemic" in much of the Midwest and southern states, the way it's handled in regards to dealing with the issue is a damn sight more tolerant than the crack epidemic.
I live in Los Angeles and I see billboards and other advertisment highlighting meth abuse and numbers where abusers can seek help. I didn't see this during the crack epidemic, but I DID see a LOT of people who were first-timers or who were in the wrong place at the wrong time tossed in jail. There was a young woman, in college and on the fast-track to success, caught up in her boyfriend's drug-dealing (though she wasn't) and tossed behind bars without any consideration as to the fact she'd NEVER been in ANY trouble whatsoever. I've seen a television show on A&E about the meth epidemic in which not ONE of the abusers was even threatened with jail time. They were given help--one young man whose teeth had become ruined due to continuous meth usage actually had replacement work done for FREE. I thought the law and order folks believed in "lock em up" when it comes to drugs. Oh wait, Limbaugh got caught with drugs but HE certainly didn't do any time either.
We have shows like 'Intervention' where mainly white abusers are given second and sometimes THIRD chances to get their lives straight. A white drug user who gets clean and sober gets to write a book about life as an addict and everyone raves about it.
The entire War on Drugs is a farce, which any sane person knows already. It's also a racist war that does NOTHING to stem the flow of drugs nor to deal with those societal forces which make people turn to illicit drugs and the profits in the first place.
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People are Crying For Love and Attention...
They Maybe working their hearts and souls out with regards to the injustices of this world -like the contents of this article....
But you need to make real friends first
Real People Who Really Care and Have Got The Passion and Intelligence To Try and Do Something About The Injustices In This World...
Of Course at First They Will Not Want To Know about other peoples problems because they are hurting so much about their own....
But with Love The Spirit Grows and Fighting Injustice Brings Like Minded People Together - And You Are Working as a Team With Your Friends - With a Common Cause To Fight This Horror - And You Suddenly Realise...
And You Fall In Love With Your FRIEND
I'm Not Sure If I said That Right - But My Wife an I Have Just Had a Brilliant Night Out Meeting Our Friends and Talking With Them...
They Are All Professional Caring People Who Are Working On Trying To Make The World A Better Place By Bringing The War Criminals To Justice.
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90% of the US is luving caring bunch
10% are pure evil with the remainder not realizing it or not caring enough to deal with it.
americans need to get off the pot and see how the rest of the world lives... traveling would enlighten most
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Lets house the young black males in places with the wall street CEOs, maybe they may neutralize each other.
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Posted by: gazooks on Nov 11, 2009 2:06 AM
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Personally, I can't remember the last time that a high profile case involving an accused juvenile in a violent crime did not involve such a request, and it's granting by a judge not wanting to appear "soft".
When "for profit" prisons are part of the equation, there is then the salivating corruption of being able to fill a cell for profit, for life, which has proven an intermittent embarrassment for states like Colorado and Pennsylvania.
There is NOTHING more perverse in our society than the political and commercial incentives in law enforcement, prosecution and incarceration of youth in-particular. Lust for the building and maintenance of aggressive reputations for "zero tolerance" for offending youth by shallow and short sighted minds, feeds the fear necessary for publicized vote getting.
America, while patting itself on the back as the freedom watchdog for the world, creates domestic nightmare misery and hellish injustice in quenching it's own self inflicted fear with self perpetuating hypocrisy.
Railroading youth, especially those socially disadvantaged, is predatory crime of the first order committed by a legal system of the lowest order.
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Posted by: pangolin on Nov 11, 2009 3:43 AM
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When the state acts in this fashion it's agents become occupiers instead of representatives of engaged citizens.
Next time you hear of a police officer shot at random think back on this article. The only relevant information about these kids jailed for life is that they are black. The cop was blue.
It's all just a color war without true justice.
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Nov 11, 2009 6:30 AM
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Kids producing kids producing kids....and on and on it goes.
The real crime happening in our inner cities and low income communities across this country is the reproductive choice to not use any birth control.
Then, as a crutch.....an old rickety stick used as a crutch.....the word racism is thrown out there as the excuse for this irresponsible lifestyle.
On it goes.
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Nov 11, 2009 6:38 AM
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So...the kids drop out....join gangs.....hang on the streets....kill or get killed........or go to prison.
Sounds like fun to me.
Of course....that old rickety stick comes out.
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Posted by: jleman on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 AM
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Florida remains a backwater banana republic run by racists who are backed up through their counterparts in other southern states in the federal government. This includes the Supreme Court. It is no surprise that their prison system turns out hardened criminals, and imprisons children for life. Nothing has changed over the one and a half hundred years except technology. The rulers are still the little, mean spirited white people. They changed their mantles from being called "Democrates" to "Republicans" because of the Civil Rights legislation. Their churches became their castles. Christ's teachings were long ago deemed too radically liberal to even be considered. After all, what they have is a "slave" problem. Freed slaves, yes. But that was forced upon them so they have the justification to still fight righteously against those laws over the generations. Their hearts haven't changed one bit. They now substitute "those people" for "nigger" in public speech.
Putting a child in prison for life is nothing more than a public display of the ignorance they use in governing which comes from a serious problem of political inbreeding. One could make the case that Florida, out of the fifty children in the family of the Union, is part of the few which remains ignorant out of choice. They enjoy their corruption, meanness and ignorance because it pays them well. One could say they "dehumanize" others but the truth is closer said that they never considered those "others" as human in the first place. It is a systemic problem rooted in their basic views of life.
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Posted by: manfred82 on Nov 11, 2009 7:03 AM
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Regards,
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Posted by: mlee on Nov 11, 2009 7:08 AM
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"The vast majority -- 84 percent, in Florida -- are African American"
This statistic is meaningless without the accompanying percentage crimes of this nature are committed by african americans. For instance if Whites committed 90% of the serious crimes that are met by life sentences, then this alarm bell is horribly understated, if whites only committed 10% of these crimes then the alarm is overrated as the whites are actually over represented.
While I may guess that whites do commit more than 16% of those crimes, I don't know that, and this article isn't telling.
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Posted by: jleman on Nov 11, 2009 7:38 AM
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 11, 2009 8:17 AM
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Moreover, the spectacle of the "DC Sniper" being put to death last night was like an evil, disgusting, Medieval festival of retribution, revenge, blood feud, etc.!!!
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Posted by: aahpat on Nov 11, 2009 8:41 AM
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That is the last thing heard by the members of the multi-racial back to nature group MOVE in May 1985 when the Philadelphia police fired 10,000 rounds of ammunition into their home and then burned down 63 homes to wipe MOVE from the face of the earth. Eleven people died that day including five children.
"This is America, come out with you hands up!"
Words to live by in this puritanical authoritarian Jim Crow run nation.
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Posted by: uncertain on Nov 11, 2009 10:03 AM
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Posted by: Gyre on Nov 11, 2009 10:30 AM
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Posted by: 2Cool on Nov 11, 2009 11:08 AM
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Round up EVERYONE responsible for this financial mess our country is in, everyone responsible for these bogus "wars on terrorism" and let's see how many of them are black.
The point of the article is that the people in power are using that power against people who are not "like" them. So, 17-year old Ray Ray gets caught on the streets with crack cocaine and is sentenced to life in prison while Adam gets caught with cocaine and gets sentenced to rehab.
That's good, old-fashioned American justice hard at work!
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 AM
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china and afghanistan changed their laws and now the only countries that do this to kids are america and somalia. my guess is that the supreme court will continue it, too, just to show the world what barbarians we really are, (as if that wasn't splat in the world's face by now.) it was just a couple years ago that we became the very last nation on earth to ban the execution of retarded people. bush, when governor of texas, joked about executing retarded young blacks, which he did more than anyone on earth...
US is 70% white but 31% of prisoners are white as they spend 7x more on lawyers and paying off judges... blacks are 13% of americans but are 51% of prisoners...
the rightwing hrumph and say, or think, that this is due to the blacks being 'immoral and basically criminal.' however, wasn't it good white christians who exterminated tens of millions of native peoples and murdered some 8 million africans in the slave trade, then some 35-40 million more africans in the full colonization of africa. put the few surviving injuns into concentration camps called 'reservations' where many were forced, (as were many black slaves) to worship in white man's churches. lynchings, degraded, ridiculed and imprisoned at these rates... if any race has shown itself to be immoral and basically criminal throughout history, the whites take the prize... and i happen to have a white body...
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 11, 2009 12:16 PM
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i found myself recently at a site called disqus that i was directed to by WaPo oped and i couldn't believe the level of violence and threats therein. whew, i mean it gives pause that one of these goons might start stalking one, beat or kill you. being white, they probably wouldn't even be charged...
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Posted by: Kym525 on Nov 11, 2009 12:43 PM
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Do we EVER stop to discuss the sad fact that it's easier to incarcerate than educate inner city children? Do we ever talk about the sad fact that we have a society that basically tells inner city kids--both black and brown--that they are worthless? Do we ever stop to discuss the fact that there are more Bernie Madoffs out there but it's easier to lock up some young non-violent offender for doing something stupid because it makes judges and politicians look "tough"?
There are just as many success stories coming from the inner city as their are the non-success stories, but people choose to remain blind. We cut programs that have been shown to help keep kids away from the temptations of crime and street life, calling them "entitlements".
What's worse is that these issues aren't being addressed because as Eric Holder said, we are a nation of cowards when it comes to race. No one wants to feel offended so we continuously tip-toe around the issue. We ignore it at our peril.
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Posted by: 2Cool on Nov 11, 2009 1:00 PM
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So, why do you think a group of people who were humiliated, raped and murdered like filthy animals would "grow up" to be civilized? Violence has, and always will be, part of the "black" culture because it was instilled in us a LONG time ago.
Once slavery was abolished, slave owners told their "property":
"You're free. We don't owe you jack ish but go out and make a life for yourself".
"Oh and by the way, if you try any of the stuff that we did to you on anyone else in this here country of America, we will tar, feather and hang you".
Good, old-fashion American justice hard at work. And it's a damn shame! LOL!
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Posted by: Kym525 on Nov 11, 2009 2:31 PM
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It's pretty interesting that most meth users are WHITE. And though meth has been called an "epidemic" in much of the Midwest and southern states, the way it's handled in regards to dealing with the issue is a damn sight more tolerant than the crack epidemic.
I live in Los Angeles and I see billboards and other advertisment highlighting meth abuse and numbers where abusers can seek help. I didn't see this during the crack epidemic, but I DID see a LOT of people who were first-timers or who were in the wrong place at the wrong time tossed in jail. There was a young woman, in college and on the fast-track to success, caught up in her boyfriend's drug-dealing (though she wasn't) and tossed behind bars without any consideration as to the fact she'd NEVER been in ANY trouble whatsoever. I've seen a television show on A&E about the meth epidemic in which not ONE of the abusers was even threatened with jail time. They were given help--one young man whose teeth had become ruined due to continuous meth usage actually had replacement work done for FREE. I thought the law and order folks believed in "lock em up" when it comes to drugs. Oh wait, Limbaugh got caught with drugs but HE certainly didn't do any time either.
We have shows like 'Intervention' where mainly white abusers are given second and sometimes THIRD chances to get their lives straight. A white drug user who gets clean and sober gets to write a book about life as an addict and everyone raves about it.
The entire War on Drugs is a farce, which any sane person knows already. It's also a racist war that does NOTHING to stem the flow of drugs nor to deal with those societal forces which make people turn to illicit drugs and the profits in the first place.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM
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People are Crying For Love and Attention...
They Maybe working their hearts and souls out with regards to the injustices of this world -like the contents of this article....
But you need to make real friends first
Real People Who Really Care and Have Got The Passion and Intelligence To Try and Do Something About The Injustices In This World...
Of Course at First They Will Not Want To Know about other peoples problems because they are hurting so much about their own....
But with Love The Spirit Grows and Fighting Injustice Brings Like Minded People Together - And You Are Working as a Team With Your Friends - With a Common Cause To Fight This Horror - And You Suddenly Realise...
And You Fall In Love With Your FRIEND
I'm Not Sure If I said That Right - But My Wife an I Have Just Had a Brilliant Night Out Meeting Our Friends and Talking With Them...
They Are All Professional Caring People Who Are Working On Trying To Make The World A Better Place By Bringing The War Criminals To Justice.
Tony
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Sexual abuse can not be tolerated anywhere!
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FTW
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 12, 2009 4:42 AM
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90% of the US is luving caring bunch
10% are pure evil with the remainder not realizing it or not caring enough to deal with it.
americans need to get off the pot and see how the rest of the world lives... traveling would enlighten most
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Posted by: mnstra on Nov 12, 2009 10:38 AM
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Lets house the young black males in places with the wall street CEOs, maybe they may neutralize each other.
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