16-Year Old Got Life Without Parole for Killing Her Abusive Pimp -- Should Teens Be Condemned to Die in Jail?

Let me get this straight...

An article about how the US (unlike every other first nation on the planet) puts children into jail for life, even death and YOU find this is an opportunity to advertise sneakers???!!?!!!

I hope you choke on those things you heartless bastard.

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I strongly protest California’s judicial system.

They should let judges make experienced decisions.

Their approach is that of a 3rd world nation and I am sure it does not reduce crime. It's state budget for prisons is that of a
small nation. We are the only developed country in the world that puts minors in prison for life. I have written Boxer and
Obama about this. It is profoundly wrong,
unjust and immoral. There should be a
public out cry about this! It is just
another step backward for all of us as a humane society. If you are from CA your should
call your rep and protest this abusive system.

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In no way do I approve of the jailing of children. Our fondness about imprisoning our own citizens is a national atrocity.

But we should note the context of all this. America is experiencing a massive epidemic of youth violence. It's been going on since 1983.

We know young Americans can't write songs or pick Presidential candidates. We know they mar their flesh with grotesque tattoos and body piercings.

But more seriously, young people in the U.S. would seem to be incredibly prone to violence. The Surgeon General has even written a report on the problem--Youth Violence: A Report of the Surgeon General :

"The [surge in youth violence from 1983-1993] has not been resolved. Another key indicator of violence--youths' confidential reports about their violent behavior--reveals no change since 1993 in the proportion of young people who have committed physically injurious and potentially lethal acts. Moreover, arrests for aggravated assault have declined only slightly and in 1999 remained nearly 70 percent higher than pre-epidemic levels. In 1999, there were 104,000 arrests of people under age 18 for a serious violent crime--robbery, forcible rape, aggravated assault, or homicide (Snyder, 2000). Of these, 1,400 were for homicides committed by adolescents (Snyder, 2000) and, on occasion, even younger children (Snyder & Sickmund, 1999).

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spent the hundreds of thousands of dollars it costs to incarcerate one child or youth for life or many years on education, counseling, rehabilitation and job training it would not only be much more "cost effective" but humane. Please look to other developed countries in Europe. There is no such policy toward children and youth. In fact, there is so much support for education and social programs there is nowhere near the rate of violent crime as in the United states. Why? Why is the US such a violent country? Why doesn't the US look to other developed nations, for example Germany, Sweden, Netherlands etc. for some constructive ideas on honoring and developing one's own citizens/residents? If even a drop of the money being spent abroad for "nation building" and war were instead invested in the betterment of US society I am convinced there would be less disparity and deparation, lower crime rates, and a fundamentally more social functioning society! Please do not say that Europeans are "socialists". Instead look to the healthy social structures that benefit all citizens/residents here in Europe. It is always incredible to me that American citizens don't expect more for themselves! If one really only understood the translation of the fantastic amounts of US borrowed money for everything besides the welfare of one's own citizens. It is shocking!

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The reason these children at the time of their crimes are getting such excessive incarcaration is politics in America. You don't see this in some states and in many foreign countries.

Yes, some youthful offenders need extended sentences when involved with the most severe crimes but even then, it shouldn't be for life. We must recognize that in the past, we recognized that ability of those 18, or at one time under 21 to be able to have suficcient reason to consider their actions as crimes.
The increased media attention of such horrible crimes by minors encourages the politicans in both parties looking for votes to keep showing they are tougher than the opposition so they go back and forth and keep esclating the penalties to these now obscene levels. This is connected to the whole 'War on Crime' attitudes particulary of the Republican Party that started in the late 1960's.
Then include that many trial judges and local proscutitors are elected (or seeking major elected offices later)and need to show they are tough on crime too. Earlier this week, in Pennsylvana, a trial judge was nailed and most of his sentences of minors offenders over 5 years have to be dismissed due to payoffs from a private juvenial detention facility. As a result, sentences for those who were minors at the time of their crimes have to be dismissed, but still the kids suffered needlessly due to his horribly unethical behaviors, including not permitting sufficient and compentant legal counsel.

We must start to look at criminal sentencing terms, not just that of minors, to assure that all defendants have sufficent and compentant legal counsel of all being charged with crimes.

Then there is the horrible treatment many of these juvinials face in jails from rape, general assult and horrible psychlogical damage. That is unacceptable and inhumane.

Politicans are now realizing we cannot afford the costs of extensive sentences with the budget deficits we now face. Criminals are now being released to reduce costs to taxpayers. We should put these long term incarcarated 'kids' into other programs to help them and shorten their jail terms. It would also be much better to instead sufficently fund social programs and schools to prevent these kids from falling between the cracks that lead to criminal behaviors or situations where they end up in situations as in the case in this story.

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Did I also read it's something like 1 in 100 of the population are in jail? And 1 in 45 are on parole or probation. (Of course, the ratio for Black and Hispanic Americans is worse ... what a surprise.)

7.3 billion people banged up, the biggest prison population in the World, even more than China and Russian combined at their height of their (so-called) Communist tyranny!

So much for the land of the free'!

This is an abomination, an affront to what is supposed to be a civilised country and an example to the World. The best you can say about it is at least she wasn't stoned to death!

But the 3 strikes rule is worse. Have you seen what petty crimes are putting people in prison for life? Example: Leandro Andrade was given not one but two sentences of 25 years-to-life for stealing nine children's videotapes, including "Snow White," "Cinderella" and "Free Willie 2." He didn't kill anyone, didn't even threaten anyone! He just stole a few silly things. Cutting off the man's hand Koranic style would have been more civilised!

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...even if it were premeditated lying-in-wait. The imposition of involuntry servitude is a mortal assault. At the hands of his slave, the master's life is forfeit.

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You can thank Nestle, General Mills, Kelloggs and Mac Donalds (among others)for our prevalence of youthful violence. They have been using violent entertainment to peddle their crappy products for years.

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once again, where are the parents? who should take responsibility for unwanted uncared for children? should we hold the parent accountable, after all the child was under 18. if you are truly saddened by these stories, do something...volunteer with any group that sets it's priorities to the needs of children. and remember you get what you vote for, this includes Judges.

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I mean, really?? WTF? So this poor girl, who was raised by a drug addict and raped at 13 by the man who started prostituting her, finally snaps and kills her pimp, and...life in prison without parole? Contrast Sara Kruzan with Mary Winkler, who--also in an abusive relationship--snapped and killed her preacher husband. She was also convicted. Of voluntary manslaughter, sentenced to three years in prison, released early on probation. Play "spot the differences" in this case! I can think of a biggie, right off the bat...anyone?

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Without both sides of an individual's brain being grown together fully, how could a decision be made in complete rationality by a young person or a child in a situation where they are having to protect themself in some way and not having the capability of complete understanding, even though they may think they do. It is totally outrageous for judges, in a civil society, to sentence children and young people based on the crime, as if they are adults, which is apparently for use of their bodies as commodities in the prison industrial complex. What the judges do by sentencing children as adults is worse than whatever crime that was committed, no matter what it was.

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Voice for Victims of Juvenile's Serving Life Without Parole

While there are some extreme cases where these killers may deserve consideration, there are quite a bit of them that are exactly where they need to be. The Human Rights Watch and other organizations have padded the numbers of people serving these sentences that are truly juveniles. In addition, the majority of these murderers are put through a judicial review before this sentence is on the table.

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the death penalty/murder business now!!!

Our big-brother gov't needs to be restrained & kept under strong checks & balances, or it will run amok over our rights!!!

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the more I think this country is doomed. There is no excuse for a child to be treated this way. It shows a lack of humanity that is almost beyond belief.

I can't believe that an abused child like this girl has been treated this way in our name by our government.

Barbaric!

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I think that when somebody abuses somebody else, and the victim strikes back, even resulting in the abuser's death, that the only crime was committed by the abuser. The victim acted in self defense, even if the act was planned, and abuse should not be tolerated. Most such victims are in some way in the power of the abuser, such that spontaneous defense is impossible. Often, official channels not only fail, when they fail to act, but put victims in even greater danger from retribution. These people are victims in untenable positions. The state has an obligation to protect them, so to prosecute them for choosing the only viable solution is obscene!

This all depends of course on the abuse and intimidation having been real, and escape virtually impossible, and that would be the job of the courts to decide. The sooner we begin to think this way, in terms of the rights for abuse victims, the sooner these last remnants of what amounts to institutionalized discrimination against women will fade into history.

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the privatized prison industrys' sales reps are no doubt asking that question to every legislator..prosecutor..and judges all over the country in both the state and federal govts...the answer is inevitably a resounding "yes".. which in turn yields draconian mandatory sentancing laws OT1H..and creates an incentive for courts to behave like they did in sara kruzans' case OTOH...

life without parole for a 16 y/o is a windfall for the prison company..whether or not she deserves that sentance.. and the criminal justice system will be inclined towards the latter if..for example..they get an up-front percentage of that windfall upon conviction...

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I agree that a prostitute's murder of her abusive pimp should be considered self defense. Pimps are the most abusive people in the world and deserve what they get. Just the fact that he was pimping a minor should mitigate the situation. The courts clearly ignored many of the facts of this case.

But many of the 2,500 cases are not comparable to this one. Many are 16 or 17 year old gang bangers who just murdered other minors outright in cold blood, killed innocent bystanders in drive by shootings or just killed people in general. I have no sympathy for them. To me their age is nothing but a number. One of the reasons that the legal system has been going after teens is that so many are involved in gangs. The exact reasoning is that these are hardened criminals whose "adult behavior and lifestyle" made it acceptable to try them as adults and punish them that way. Being a sociopath who doesn't value human life should not be acceptable. A high price should be paid for taking human life.

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Bizarre! What were we (by which I mean THEY) thinking, when they decided that 14, 12, 10 and 8 year-old children should be treated as adults? They are not responsible enough to drink or vote, or even decide to have sex, but we think they are old enough to know right from wrong? I know millions of adults have trouble with that!

They do not always know right from wrong partly because they are bombarded with conflicting messages almost every waking hour, and partly because their minds are not fully developed. Many have been very poorly cared for, not only physically, but also mentally and emotionally.

It really is obscene what we are doing to they who are our only true reason to exist, who we should be protecting and nurturing, our children. They NEED our love, and these most of all, and this is how we treat them?

I also agree that our recent trend toward a prison industry also smells really, really bad. Now incarceration is profit-driven. This is not the only case I've heard of. In another, school children were being sent to what amounts to a private reform school, for months at a time, at a cost to taxpayers of some $3000-$4000/DAY. Their crimes included throwing a piece of meat at a parent, talking back in school and tardiness. In that case, the company that owned the prison had bribed a judge to the tune of about $2 million, and the school profited by about $20 million of tax money.

The good 'ole US of A now incarcerates 8X as many of our population as the Europeans do of theirs. The Soviets were never so punitive, and neither are the Chinese (officially), both of whom we used to criticize on this point. Isn't there something terribly wrong here? Is American really the most brutally punitive country in the world? And now it's a growing industry?

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America is Now a Full Blown NAZI Country.

The Same thing happenned in Germany after WWI.

How exactly Did Germany Change From The Total Financial Destruction After WWI To Become So Economically and Militarily Powerful To Control All of Mainland Europe?

It Was Slave Labour Of The German People in Prison Camps...

America is Now a NAZI Prison Camp

Americans Need To Fight For Their Liberation, Or Submit To Slavery

Who Could Believe It Possible?

Tony

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Then they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Now we are Going To Put Our Differences Aside

And WE ARE COMING FOR THE EVIL NAZI BASTARDS In CONTROL of Us

Tony

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My story on Amber Rose Riley....facing life @ 16!
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She really is in need of competent legal help...so if there is anyone out there that can help the Rileys, pro bono- please contact me.
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We are a throw a way society...disposable & replaceable...even with our children. LWOP says to our children, your no good and you will NEVER be any good....rehabilitation people.

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Who was appointed to defend this girl? That's who screwed up. Is this what she was expected to do for the rest of her life? I also question the judge who had to notice that the lawyer was incompetent and did nothing about it. There is a serious problem in this country with court appointed lawyers. If That's the only work they can get they're lousy lawyers. Pro Bono is another matter. But win or lose they just go on in their mediocre style and people have no choice in the matter. Anna

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The animals who raped that girl in Ca. are old enough to know rape is wrong.I have no problem with 25 years for them.

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Prostitution is multiple rape, many times daily.
(If you have to pay her, you can assume she is not enjoying the encounter – even if she does get to keep the money, which Sara didn't. Call-girls are great actresses and you are paying for that act too.)

Prostitution is regularly accompanied by abuse and beatings if the rapists don't pay enough.
The rapists often refuse to use condoms, resulting in STDs, HIV and pregnancy.
The pregnancy problem is solved by enforced back-street abortions, even if the mother wants to keep her baby.
("Pro-lifers" please note.
But maybe you rape child prostitutes too and are anti THOSE children's lives?)

How many readers here have been 13 years old?
Remember what it was like?
How much good control did you have over your life then?
Sara Kruzan was 13.
She was brutally raped by her "father figure" and forced into prostitution when she was 13.

All the "clients" who subsequently raped her and paid her pimp must have known that she was under 18.
I am assuming that many if not all of those men would have been over 18, because they were able to pay for their pleasure.
Don't you have a law in America forbidding rape?
And one forbidding sex with minors?
Why weren't any of the rapists charged?
Is it legal to rape a minor if you pay her pimp?

This is the USA.
The judge must surely have been over 18.
He must have been to college.
He must have studied law.
This judge took ONE DAY to think about Sara's sixteen years of life.
He failed to listen to her lawyer's arguments
He just told Sara that her crime was well thought-out, and that SHE lacked moral scruples.

Maybe that trained and qualified mature adult judge did no thinking that day at all.
Or he thought it would be good to discourage children from trying to escape from a peculiarly despicable kind of permanent abuse.
Do you suppose he has kids of his own?

Whichever way he failed to reveal the slightest tiny whiff of a moral scruple or anything resembling humane justice

He has really earned a life sentence without parole for the living death to which he condemned Sara.

Genuine leaders of the FREE world would never tolerate such a man in such a powerful position.

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RACISM TODAY, RACISM TOMORROW, RACISM FOREVER!!!

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The nation of New Zealand is doing wonderful work with youthful offenders using restorative justice practices, even with violent offenders.

The presentation available through the link below tells the story of one such case...as well as the
story of another youthful offender's life wasted here in the States b/c he was sentenced as an adult.

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nope, sorry, no left turn on this one. you may have heard about the shocking, vicious, mysoginistic beating, rape and robbery of a 15 year old girl as she was leaving her homecoming in richmond, ca. there were at least a dozen young males who participated, including raping her with objects (sticks) for 2 1/2 hours! They ranged in age from 15 to 21. The "minors" should absolutely be tried as adults. more recently, a young vietnamese immigrant and a classmate were gunned down randomly, it seems, outside of their high school. Her family had escaped "the killing fields". times have changed, people, 8 year olds ferry lethal drugs on their bikes throughout urban america with wads of cash in their socks. babies are shot in playgrounds from stray bullets from 'misunderstood youth' cruising in their shiny chevy looking for rivals. give me a break you bleeding hearts, or better yet, invite some of these poor youths into your home and begin the process of rehabilitating them yourselves.

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An abused person whose only recourse is to kill an abuser who has total control over their life should not be punished. The category of abused person includes abused wives of any age and children of either gender who are trafficked or otherwise abused against their will. When the abuser has struck and struck and struck, then the abused must strike back in self defense when the opportunity presents itself. It's either that, or suffer even more abuse. Such brave action against a vicious abuser should be rewarded, not punished. As for children who commit heinous crimes without provocation, they should be segregated from society, because the rest of us members of society cannot take a chance that we will be the next victims.

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This young woman ought the to have been given whatever the highest medal for courage is, given extensive coverage as a role model for taking steps to change her life for the better and ridding the country of a low life .

Then she and the other kids that this creep had attempted to destroy ought to have been provided with accommodation and an education, in recognition that the state had so completely failed to protect them.

Not only would this have been just, it would have sent a clear signal to other low lives living in this manner that their slaughter by any of the girls that they had enslaved would be seen as deserved and that the girls would be properly cared for.

But then, this is the US, and the US has never made any effort to take responsibility or care of its citizens — no more than it does for others around the world who are unfortunate enough to fall into its clutches.

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did you not read the article, her mom was a drug addict, and only met her dad twice, nurture isn't always to blame and neither is nature. My god people, this is a 16 year old whose brain isn't even fully matured yet, why do adolescents do what they do, inexperience, immaturity, and anger they don't know what to do with, and the fear of not being believed. she should in no way shape or form serve life. Easy solution to a difficult problem. I have no answer, i have ideas however. Programs, education, real life situations in school. Never mind history, its old, give the kids something to learn that they will need in the real world. Programs, history doesn't change after sixth grade, so grades 7-12 programs to recognize signs of being groomed, signs of a pedophile, signs of going off the edge, signs of depression, signs of drug abuse, recognizing peer pressure, offense is the first big defense. Never mind study hall, never mind home ec, never mind chess club, never mind the yearbook club, who looks at the damn things afterwards anyways, never mind yoga, never mind useless field trips, educate, empower, and give kids vision, confidence, and security and someone to go to when they are in trouble. Instill trust in teachers, instead of sarcasm.

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Our whole system is a disaster! It needs rebuilding from the ground up. And that does NOT include letting private corporations profit from the situation.

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Wrong. Wrong.

Justice???

When dealing with juveniles the statue of Justice shold be allowed to take off the blind fold. Unfortunately it is too often this only happens with adults.

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It's a compelling story. I don't care for the pimp; karma got him. I beleive in rehabilitation. But I also like to know the facts of the case before passing judgement.

There are dozens of comments condemning the judge, the Californian court system, etc., but who among us knows the facts of the killing (which is over 10 years ago). Sure we all know her background, but what about what happened the day of the killing? What was her motive for killing this man? Why wasn't it included in the above piece? It's implied that 3 strikes laws are to blame, but her arrest record isn't detailed. Nothing is explained. I think we're all smart enough to hear the whole truth without being babyfed just the parts of the story the writer wants us to know.

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Killing a pimp who turns out 13 year old girls is a service to mankind. This is a travesty

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She killed a PIMP. She deserves a MEDAL, not Life in Jail.

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Justice requires two primary conditions,
1) Both potential offender and victim must be treated equally by the justice system regardless of sex, race, religion, AGE, etc..
2) The punishment must be no greater than the offence no matter how many people hate the behavior or how evil they think it is.

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This is another sad example of how children are sentenced to life without parole (LWOP) in this country. People are urged to contact members of Congress in their districts and ask them to support legislation abolishing juvenile LWOP sentences in the U.S. You can learn more about this issue by visiting the following link:

Abolish Juvenile LWOP Blog

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You do yourself a GRAVE disservice when you lump ALL juvenile criminals together. Becaus eyou put those who snapped on an abuser in with those who snap on the innocent. IE, will ANY of you beg and plead, stome and march for the 10 JUVENILES who brutally gang raped a woman, forced her to fellate her BIOLOGICAL SON'S penis and then beat them both half to death and left them for dead? Do you think those TEN young men and this young girl deserve the same sentence? Do you think she deserves mroe because she killed someone and well..let's face it they didn't?

What you do and why MATTERS people, age is not all that important. There was a kid who shot his 8 month pregnant stepmother in the head while she slept so he could be his daddy's only child. Would you give the same amount of time to a child the same age who shot their stepfather who physically and sexually abused him/her? NO you wouldn't so stop laying a blanket staement here. Call it out for what it is, a rape victim killing her rapist and state that such a crime NEVER warrants life without parole.

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weenie wagging politicians when GG was running his string of under aged girls? They were the first in line to get there weenie wet? GG never got popped for being a rapist or using under aged girls. How come GG wasn't in jail for keeps? GG got what he deserved. Yes, the system is very broke. When under aged girls think the only way to get away is to use violence.

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At 17 I went to prison for 4 years for Robbery. I was released at 21 and upon my release I immediately began college and starting working full time. Today i am a 34 year old college educated(BS in Legal Studies)woman married with a son. I was able to accomplish all this cause I had my mom to back me up. She was always there and I made it my business to make her and the world proud. In 2006 at 31 years old after 4 months in a job as a office manager, I was fired because of my criminal history and they made it clear that they were denying me cause of my criminal history. That blew my mind back and made me so sad because that moment was so long ago. I see kids who are 17 and i think to myself wow i cant see these kids in state prison but sadly its true. I wont be the only juvenile to see state prison but will this haunt me forever. I gave the state what they wanted. I made them proud of what they supposedly wanted to accomplish-REHABILITATION. But forever they will always be that dark cloud over my head

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and the particular case of Sara Kruzan should be appealed to Governor Schwarzenegger and President Obama for clemency for time served.

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First, I agree that life without parole for killing a pimp is harsh. But I wonder how many posters on this site would take the same attitude to a man who kills an abortion doctor? Or the father who kills the homosexual pedophile who raped his son? My point is that her action was still a murder, and you cannot justify that fact by saying she was abused. I knew a street woman who asked for a ride to Soledad, so she could meet her pimp who was being released. Go figure. I wonder how many posters to this article have ever wandered an inner city street after midnight. I have known street women who pushed a paraplegic out of his wheelchair. They tried to sell it to myself for $20 - the price of a bag of dope. One was later arrested for stealing someone's prosthetic leg. She was White, and had been a whore and drug addict since her mother traded her for some speed and junk at thirteen. If you think these damaged creatures could be rehabilitated on the streets they were taken from, you are insane. The real problem is the environment and culture that breeds these monsters. Look at the garbage on MTV and on the radio - "gangsta' rap". I believe it was Spike Lee who lamented how this trash was destroying a generation of Black youths. When you program children that dope and being a ho is hip, and all they see around themselves is dope and ho's, what do you expect? I can't stand on a street corner and exhort people to pick up their rifles and head to NYC and DC, and take care of the shysters. Why can children be told it is okay to be a hoodlum? Gangsta' rap is a hate crime against the youth of America. The human wreckage discussed at the beginning of this article is the result.

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