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Pot Is More Mainstream Than Ever, So Why Is Legalization Still Taboo?
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More members of Congress have publicly questioned whether President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii than have endorsed legalizing marijuana.
This comes despite the birth announcements printed in the Honolulu Advertiser in August 1961 and marijuana's deep inroads into the cultural mainstream.
Almost every voter under 65 in this country has either smoked cannabis or grew up with people who did. Among its erstwhile users are the last three presidents, one Supreme Court justice and the mayor of the nation's largest city. The pot leaf's image pervades popular culture, from Bob Marley T-shirts to billboards for Showtime's Weeds.
So why is actually legalizing it still considered a fringe issue? Why haven't more politicians -- especially the ones who inhaled -- come out and said, "Prohibition is absurd and criminal. Let's treat cannabis like alcohol"?
Allen St. Pierre, head of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, blames the hypocrisy of the "baby boomer elite." There are many people in Washington's political and media circles "who know the right end of a joint to light, but are too embarrassed to admit their knowledge," he says. There are members of Congress, he adds, who will greet him at a party with "Allen, got any weed?" but are afraid to go out on a limb for legalization.
Only two current members of Congress have openly advocated ending cannabis prohibition: Reps. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, and Ron Paul, R-Texas.
Even in a Congress inhabited by Republicans Tom "Lesbians Are Terrorizing Our High Schools" Coburn of Oklahoma and Michelle "Carbon Dioxide Is Natural, It Is Not Harmful" Bachmann of Minnesota, the left-liberal Kucinich and the libertarian-conservative Paul might be the two most widely derided as kooks.
A handful of others, such as Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., have given some indications that they would support legalization. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., has sponsored a bill to end federal penalties for possession of less than 100 grams, but has not explicitly endorsed making marijuana as legal as alcohol.
In contrast, Salon in July identified 17 members of Congress as "birther" sympathizers who had either openly questioned Obama's birth, co-sponsored a bill on the issue or refused to answer yes when asked if they believed he was a natural-born citizen. The 17 included Sens. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and Richard Shelby, R-Ala.
St. Pierre particularly resents the way the media treat the issue as a joke, in which almost any headline has to include a bad pun on "doobie," "high" or "mellow."
It's deadly serious when more than 800,000 people a year are arrested for it, he argues. Obama's "chuckle," he says, was emblematic. When legalizing marijuana was the top issue cited by visitors to Obama's transition Web site, the president dismissed it with a joke implying that there must be a lot of stoned people on the Internet.
"It's still an issue people are giggling about, not taking seriously," says Noelle Davis, former head of Texans for Medical Marijuana.
State legislators who have sponsored marijuana-related bills say that the two biggest obstacles are fear and cultural stereotypes.
"Elected officials are largely very concerned about being labeled 'soft on drugs,'" says New York State Assemblyman Richard Gottfried. Gottfried, a Manhattan Democrat who sponsored the state's 1977 decriminalization law, has introduced several bills to legalize medical marijuana.
Polls have shown medical marijuana to have the support of 70 to 80 percent of New Yorkers, he says, but "many legislators are afraid to touch it."
Washington State Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles says that many legislators, particularly in the state's more conservative rural areas, "buy into the cultural stereotypes about marijuana," such as the idea that it's a gateway to harder drugs.
The Seattle Democrat, who is sponsoring a bill to reduce the penalty for less than 40 grams of pot from a misdemeanor to a civil infraction, says that the state's prosecutors' support for legalizing medical marijuana gave conservatives political cover to vote for it but that law enforcement has largely opposed her decriminalization bill.
One reason for the lack of urgent political pressure, says Deborah Small of Break the Chains, is that the people most likely to get busted for pot are the ones who "don't have a political voice" -- young people of color from poor neighborhoods. In Atlanta, Baltimore and New York, which have among the highest marijuana-arrest rates in the nation, three-fourths of those popped are black or Latino and under 25, she points out. Adults and more affluent youths are largely safe from arrest, she adds.
Frontlines of the Debate
California is the one state where legalization is legitimately on the agenda. "Obama might have dismissed it, but we're having the most serious conversation in 35 years," says Quintin Mecke, spokesman for Assemblyman Tom Ammiano. Ammiano, a San Francisco Democrat, is sponsoring a bill that would legalize marijuana in California. It would let people grow up to 10 plants for their own use and license commercial cultivation and sales, with a smoking age of 21 and a $50-an-ounce tax.
Hearings on the bill are scheduled for January. It would obviously conflict with federal law, but Mecke says, "the intent is to provoke a states' rights conversation A lot of folks are looking to California to push that issue."
Several factors make legalization politically possible in California, Mecke explains. First, it has had legally regulated medical marijuana for 13 years, and people have "seen that the sky did not fall. California may be in a fiscal crisis, but it's certainly not due to marijuana." Taxes and fees on cannabis could raise $1.4 billion in revenue for the cash-strapped state, the state Board of Equalization estimates. In addition, marijuana cultivation is an integral part of the local economy in many areas, especially the rural north.
"We're not expecting this to happen overnight," Mecke says. "But looking at the poll numbers, it will happen."
A Gallup poll conducted in early October backs that prediction. It found 44 percent of the people surveyed supporting legal marijuana, with 54 percent against. In contrast, previous surveys showed Americans rejecting legalization 73 percent to 23 percent in 1985 and 64 percent to 31 percent in 2000.
An overwhelming majority of liberals supported it, as did more than half of Westerners, Democrats and people under 50. Opposition was strongest among Republicans, conservatives and people over 65, but even in those groups, more than a quarter backed legalization.
"Public mores on legalization of marijuana have been changing this decade and are now at their most tolerant in at least 40 years," the Gallup organization stated. "If public support were to continue growing at a rate of 1 to 2 percentage points per year, as it has since 2000, the majority of Americans could favor legalization of the drug in as little as four years."
Disconnect Between the Country and Its Capital
There is a "huge disconnect" between the corridors of power in Washington and the rest of America on marijuana, contends St. Pierre.
Today, even the hardest-line prohibitionists rarely argue that people should go to jail for possession. In Washington, says Kohl-Welles, police and prosecutors claimed that decriminalization would be unnecessary because they don't put a lot of resources into making such minor arrests.
In New York, where Mayor Michael "You Bet I Did -- And I Enjoyed It" Bloomberg has continued Rudolph Giuliani's war on pot smokers, a police department spokesperson tried to convince reporters that there was no such crackdown, because the number of summonses issued for marijuana possession declined over the last decade. (Having less than 25 grams carries only a $100 fine under state law, but possession in public is a misdemeanor. New York City police have been arresting more than 40,000 people a year on that charge, mostly young black and Latino men.)
Liberal politicians who believe that the laws are too harsh but don't want to take the risk of siding with stoners often support decriminalization as a middle ground. Decriminalization has definitely been an improvement -- as Gottfried points out, it's made the difference between spending a night in jail and a year in prison for having a small bag of pot -- but it is actually a harsher regime than alcohol Prohibition was. Under Prohibition, home winemaking and medical use of alcohol were legal, and people could keep liquor acquired before the law went into effect in 1920. (The New York governor's mansion had one such stash of booze, and the Yale Club in Manhattan stockpiled a 14-year supply.)
Obama's Oct. 19 guidelines that federal prosecutors not pursue medical-marijuana cases in states where it's legal are encouraging. On the other hand, like so much in Obama's tenure, they might also be far more symbolic than real. They contain enough wiggle room to permit federal aid to local prosecutors who go after medical marijuana, such as Steve Cooley in Los Angeles.
In general, Obama's positions have evolved in a typically hypocritical manner. He endorsed decriminalization when he was an Illinois state legislator campaigning on a college campus, but he now states flatly that he does not support legalization -- although he wrote in his autobiography that while pot didn't solve your problems, "it could at least help you laugh at the world's ongoing folly and see through all the bullshit and cheap moralism." (There are photos of Obama as a straw-hatted college student, smoking an ambiguous cigarette with his thumb and forefinger and looking blissfully slit-eyed.)
"Legalization is not in the president's vocabulary, and it is not in mine," federal drug czar Gil Kerlikowske has reiterated, although he is relatively liberal on other drug issues.
According to St. Pierre, the staff of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., specifically warned the pot-legalization movement not to pressure the Obama administration or congressional Democrats because they were preoccupied with the economy, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and health care. The message, he says, was "We are not going to advance this issue, and you need to cut us some slack."
Change You Can Put in Your Pipe
What can be done? What would change the political climate to enable a reasonable discussion of legalizing and regulating marijuana?
Deborah Small says it would take a society that cared about black and Latino youth instead of criminalizing them in the name of "quality of life" policing.
Politicians talk about keeping young people in school and getting them jobs, but then they support "policing tactics guaranteed to bring them into the criminal-justice system for relatively minor offenses." If Obama had been busted for pot when he was a young man, she asks, would he be president today? "Certainly not."
She finds it remarkable that the hip-hop generation that emerged after the crack epidemic of the late '80s eschewed hard drugs in favor of marijuana -- and the system responded by arresting them more, with policies that rewarded large numbers of petty-possession busts.
Kohl-Welles says legalizing cannabis would take a critical mass of legislators, and that budget issues might help create the climate for that. Gottfried says that it will take "very strong public support for it to become part of mainstream debate, let alone pass the Legislature."
To win that support, St. Pierre says, the legalization movement needs to sustain grassroots activism and become more multiracial instead of being almost all-white and mainly male. Advancing legalization would also need the support of charismatic politicians early in their careers, as "it's impossible to flip a 50- or 60-year-old alpha male in Washington."
Another danger, he says, is politicians who modify their positions to suit their ambitions. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, he notes, was an early and "full-throated" supporter of medical marijuana, but is now running for governor of California and opposes legalization.
In Texas, says Noelle Davis, activists face the daunting task of trying to persuade legislators in the Republican majority -- and the primary voters who elect them. This would require educating them about the safety of marijuana versus alcohol and the economic benefits that cannabis cultivation and sales could bring to the state.
One largely overlooked issue in Texas, she says, is drug violence on the border. Infighting among rival smuggling gangs has claimed hundreds of lives in the Mexican cities of Nuevo Laredo, just across the river from Laredo, and Juarez, across from El Paso.
For all the hype about potent domestic homegrown, commercial-grade Mexican dominates the cheaper end of the cannabis market, and "a lot of marijuana comes up IH-35," from Laredo through San Antonio, Austin and Dallas.
"We're still putting our hands over our ears and saying 'la-la-la,' " she says. "If marijuana were legal on a federal level, it would dramatically reduce the deaths associated with the drug trade."
Meanwhile, she says, the "silent majority" of pot smokers has to overcome their fear and get vocal. "When I was circulating a petition for medical marijuana, often people would giggle and say 'I'm not putting my name on a list,' " she recalls. "Don't be afraid of your legislator. Take time and build a relationship."
St. Pierre agrees. "We have not achieved the political legitimacy of the gay and lesbian community," he concludes. "As long as 0.1 percent of cannabis consumers are involved with their own liberation, reform is unlikely." If just 1 percent of the nation's estimated 36 million pot smokers would get involved, he says, that would be a constituency of 360,000 activists.
Legalizing cannabis may not be as life-and-death an issue as health care, global warming or the war in Afghanistan, but it is not a frivolous cause. Not any more than repealing Prohibition was in the depths of the Depression.
When the nation is mired in an economic and environmental crisis, why should we waste lives and money enforcing repressive, racist and crime-creating laws? In May 1932, thousands of people marched in the streets of New York, Detroit and other cities to demand the legalization of beer. They carried signs reading "We Want Beer and We Will Pay the Tax" and "We Want Beer but We Also Want Jobs."
Later that summer, the Democratic party, battered for being "wet" in the previous presidential election, endorsed the repeal of Prohibition. On Dec. 5, 1933, the 21st Amendment went into effect, and Americans could legally drink again.
Of course, there was a fanatical former Prohibition official named Harry Anslinger, who had recently become head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics -- and was looking for a new way to advance his career.
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 AM
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P.S.: It was the Democratic Party who supported the overtaxation of cannabis that Harry Anslinger asked for. It was also the Democratic Party that allowed Nixon to build the DEA. Ralph Nader would have put legalizing Cannabis on the table whereas Obama is doing more backdoor dealing with Big Pharma that strongly opposes legalizing cannabis even for medical purposes. It is no different from Saddam Hussein using chemical warfare to poison his own citizens. I'm glad I voted for Nader !
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Oct 29, 2009 12:38 AM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 29, 2009 1:04 AM
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You are up against several lobbies. Alcohol, Tobacco and Retail Grocery.
Let' face it, pot will replace alcohol and tobacco for a large percentage of their business if it were legal. Retail groceries would lose sales.
Another impediment is tax receipts for local and state governments. Once legalized it would be grown everywhere and escape taxation. Unlike tobacco, pot is easy to grow. Despite what advocates say legalization of pot will lose tax revenue.
Having said all that I say legalize it ... screw alcohol and tobacco. But get ready for higher taxes elsewhere to make up the shortfall from state and local sales taxes.
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» I'd think grocer sales would go up!!!!
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» On point...as usual.
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» not all pot is high $$$
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 AM
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Those are charges leveled by radical leftists, anarchists and socialists. Liberals think of prohibition as simply impractical or counterproductive. Nationally elected Democrats are a group that includes few liberals and many corporate whores. Spinlessness is a red herring.
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Posted by: Strephon on Oct 29, 2009 3:18 AM
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"The Government’s chief drug adviser has suggested that Ecstasy, LSD and cannabis are less dangerous than both alcohol and cigarettes."
See
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6894710.ece
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Posted by: MMarauder on Oct 29, 2009 5:09 AM
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On top of that we choose to make prison fodder out of the millions of citizens who take advantage of a relatively harmless plant/drug that grows wild in almost all parts of our nation.
By making these drugs illegal we are also fueling the massive drug cartels and street gangs by making the business of drug distribution extremely profitable and we have turned the prison system into a profit center for corporate America to further profit off of the misery of people. Not to mention the huge amount of destruction caused to individual lives as a result of this madness.
Bottom line is it is good for business (as usual) to shove this BS down our collective throats.
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http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP/RelegalizeNowObama25.htm
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 29, 2009 5:29 AM
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At this moment, legislators in California are considering some sort of legalization. Can it be? Is there actually a State House in this silly country showing the courage to do the right thing seventy-two years after this relatively harmless drug was made illegal??? Could the rest of the country be far behind????
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Posted by: gazooks on Oct 29, 2009 6:21 AM
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Even if just 10% of current users did this on the same day, our law enforcement/judicial system would seize up faster than consumer credit.
Unless there's a proactive demonstration of consensus on the absurdity of the current prohibition and it's crippling social and economic costs, we'll be having this same discussion a decade from now with a prison population double the current 3+ million.
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Posted by: pure_genius on Oct 29, 2009 6:37 AM
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Alcohol would still be illegal today if a minority condoned drinking and all the producers did everything they could to keep it banned.
The forces we are fighting in this battle are many and varied. The author's point about politicians changing their positions to suit their ambitions is dead on. A perfect example of this is Senator Dianne Feinstein. While she publicly supports medicinal cannabis, she only does so because it is politically pragmatic in California. In reality, her support of modern prohibition runs just as deep and is as rabid as Representative Mark Souder's. Having wolves in sheep's clothing like this is horribly detrimental.
Many think that the racially disparate impact of the drug laws is an unfortunate confluence of social and economic factors. It would be unfortunate if it were not so intentional. Expecting laws founded upon racial animosity to be equally enforced among the races is beyond senseless. It is no coincidence that the Prohibition which overwhelmingly affected whites lasted only twelve years, while the other "dangerous" drugs have remained illegal for nearly a century.
I wonder how different things might be if most people knew there was a time when all drugs were legal and the percentage of hard core drug addicts has remained virtually unchanged. All the money, time and effort spent trying to reach the unattainable goal of a drug-free nation has not done anything but cause death, waist lives and give psychopaths immense power they would not otherwise have.
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Posted by: Robinx3 on Oct 29, 2009 6:41 AM
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The few times I've tried pot, I thought I was going to have a heart attack - I even made my friend drive me to the hospital in case I went into cardiac arrest.
People that I've met that have used pot most of their adult lives don't seem quite normal to me - really rather off in some mental way. No way would I want marijuana legalized for recreational use.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 29, 2009 7:12 AM
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Mainstream use of MJ may not be an argument for it. Just as California's mainstream opposition to gay marriage may not be an good argument against it.
We live in a republic, not a democracy. We assume that our representatives will make informed decisions based on the evidence. Are they doing this in the health care debates?
Indulging our self centered desires may not be best for our society. If you want to understand the three basic assumptions of values we can live by, check out the free ebook series at http://andgulliverreturns.info. I don't remember if it tackles the marijuana question but it does a great job on many other 'moral' questions.
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Posted by: easywind on Oct 29, 2009 7:21 AM
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My injuries led me to the southwest for the winters and I bought property in Arizona and started building.
Last year I went out there and was stopped by a police officer while driving. I was coming back from the VA hospital and was bandaged on both arms, I had fasted all day. I have a full beard and the policeman didn't like me I could tell immediately. He asked for licence registration and insurance card which I provided, took off my sunglasses, ointed me in the sun and asked me to take a field sobroiety test, when my wife said I had just come from the hospital he told her to shut up or he would arrest her.
Anyway I refused and was immediately handcuffed and put into the police car where I was told I would either urinate into a cup or have blood drawn, I urinated and was found to have a metabolite in my system. I hired a lawyer, the lawyer spoke to the state criminalogist who stated I was not impaired. The lawyer could not testify to that or state I was not impaired, anyway $5000 for a lawyer a $1500 fine, 2 days in jail and loss of licence forever I have moved on. I now live in Portugal 6 months a year and reside in Mexico in the winter months.
This is huge business. The reason I lost my licence forever is that I refuse to do drug counciling at $60 an hour 45 minutes a week for 48 weeks. I would rather have my medicine than my licence.
The more I'm out of the U.S. the saner I become and see everyone has a better quality of life than people here.
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Posted by: easywind on Oct 29, 2009 7:21 AM
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My injuries led me to the southwest for the winters and I bought property in Arizona and started building.
Last year I went out there and was stopped by a police officer while driving. I was coming back from the VA hospital and was bandaged on both arms, I had fasted all day. I have a full beard and the policeman didn't like me I could tell immediately. He asked for licence registration and insurance card which I provided, took off my sunglasses, ointed me in the sun and asked me to take a field sobroiety test, when my wife said I had just come from the hospital he told her to shut up or he would arrest her.
Anyway I refused and was immediately handcuffed and put into the police car where I was told I would either urinate into a cup or have blood drawn, I urinated and was found to have a metabolite in my system. I hired a lawyer, the lawyer spoke to the state criminalogist who stated I was not impaired. The lawyer could not testify to that or state I was not impaired, anyway $5000 for a lawyer a $1500 fine, 2 days in jail and loss of licence forever I have moved on. I now live in Portugal 6 months a year and reside in Mexico in the winter months.
This is huge business. The reason I lost my licence forever is that I refuse to do drug counciling at $60 an hour 45 minutes a week for 48 weeks. I would rather have my medicine than my licence.
The more I'm out of the U.S. the saner I become and see everyone has a better quality of life than people here.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 AM
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In 1961, Anslinger went to the UN and used the then powerful amerikan influence to make hemp illegal around the world. What kind of meglomania does it take to outlaw a valuable and harmless PLANT that was used peacefully for almost 10 000 years?
2) How can you justify continuation of laws that were based on entirely on racism? Typical Anslinger quotes:
"This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
In the thirties, this sort of talk was considered scientific rationale for hemp prohibition. Even the use of the word "marijuana" was intended to make american hemp sound like a foreign menace!
What kind of champion for civil rights is unwilling to address a law founded in racist hysteria that has turned millions of otherwise decent people into criminals and destroyed their lives?
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Posted by: RFWoodstock on Oct 29, 2009 7:49 AM
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Posted by: 53yoStoner on Oct 29, 2009 7:57 AM
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What he said made the most sense to me. We live in a Dominator society, and the drugs of choice for that society are nicotine, caffine, and alcohol.
These drugs actually fit right in with the dominator model. Party hard. Be aggressive, get up and go to work every day. Make a bunch of money. Beat your competitors. Work boy, work. Feed the beast. Don't think about anything except making money.
The machine doesn't want people questioning the whole enchilada. "Do I really need this big house to be happy? Why do I have to give those pricks at least forty hours of my life a week? For what? Couldn't I be just as happy with less?"
"Screw working for the man. I think I'll call up some friends and play some music today. Or make some art."
"Why are we always at war?"
It's these kinds of thoughts that come to mind once a person starts using drugs that are against the Dominator model. The drugs that open the mind. The drugs of the lost Earth Goddess society of which marijuana is one.
I believe that is what the guardians of the Dominator society are really afraid of.
As well they should be.
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Posted by: Buck in NM on Oct 29, 2009 8:11 AM
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If you do not have enough criminals to support a police state, the solution is to create more. You do this by passing laws that cannot be obeyed and so therefore you have your criminal. (Incarcerate them quickly before they get away)
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Posted by: liblady2008 on Oct 29, 2009 8:15 AM
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It has just been like pulling teeth to get America beyond it's Puritan past, beyond sticking it's head in the sand. You would think the alcohol prohibition debacle would have taught us a lesson, guess not.
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Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 AM
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All drugs were legal prior to the turn of the 20th century. The most common group found to be using opium was middle aged/income housewives. You could buy opium powder (heroin) that was manufactured by Merck for 75 cents a two ounce tin. Some chewing gum had cocaine in it to aid tooth aches. Certain wines and soft drinks (Coca Cola) had cocaine in them. Yet the world did not come to a halt.
I find it amazing that alcohol and tobacco were the two substances finally allowed by society. Pharmeceutical grade heroin is safer than alcohol. Alcohol is a poison. That is why you puke after consuming too much...your body is trying to purge the toxins from itself. Nicotine is more addictive than heroin and is also a poison. It used to be used to kill rats. Marijuana has never killed anyone, ever, yet it remains illegal while the two poisons are acceptable? This is a complete farce and totally immoral at best!
The government has no business telling anybody what they may or may not consume. By doing so, they are taking control over your very body away from you! As long as you are not harming anybody else, you should be free to do as you wish and consume what you want. The war on drugs is not only as waste of taxpayer money, it is totally immoral as it wastes the lives of otherwise totally law abiding citizes who have harmed nobody. Our nation did just fine for the first 125 years without drug prohibition. Drug laws were created and are perpetuated to isolate a certain segment of our society and label that segment as being inferior to the remaining portion. They serve no other purpose. As such, it can do much better with out them.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 29, 2009 9:03 AM
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Our government spends billions of dollars a year on arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating drug-law violators. Choked courts and prisons, an incarceration rate higher than most other nations in the world, and tax dollars diverted from education and health care are just a few of the costs our current prohibition imposes. There are health costs in drug prohibition. During the prohibition era, some fifty thousand Americans were paralyzed after consuming "jake," an adulterated Jamaican ginger extract. Today we have marijuana made more dangerous by government-sprayed paraquat.
Prohibition did succeed in reducing alcohol consumption and alcohol-related ills ranging from cirrhosis to public drunkenness and employee related absenteeism. But this was due to the effectiveness of the temperance movement in publicizing the dangers of alcohol. The decline in alcohol consumption during those years, like the recent decline in cigarette consumption, had less to do with laws than with changing social attitudes.
During the 1980s, for example, Americans began switching from hard liquor to beer and wine, from high tar-and-nicotine to low tar-and-nicotine cigarettes, and even from caffeinated to decaffeinated sodas, coffees, and teas.
Alcohol prohibition was repealed after just thirteen years while the prohibition of other drugs has continued for over 75 years. Why? Alcohol prohibition struck directly at society's most powerful members. The prohibition of other drugs, by contrast, threatened far fewer Americans with hardly any political power.
Only the prohibition of marijuana, which nearly 100 million Americans have violated since 1965, has come close to approximating the Prohibition era experience, but marijuana smokers consist mostly of young and relatively powerless Americans.
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 29, 2009 9:11 AM
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That doesn't mean I have the right to get snotty about anyone who may be interested; that's their RIGHT, after all.
Prohibition is NOT the answer to psychoactive drug use.
A few minutes studying the history of alcohol prohibition shows what's glaringly obvious; the more repressive and insistent the prohibition is, the more it'll be RESISTED by people defending their personal liberties, and the bigger the crime families become, rushing in to fill the supply vacuum.
It's time to grow up here, face reality, and quit calling pot smokers criminals.
This would pull the rug out from underneath the drug racketeers and their allies.
How much of a problem is MOONSHINE, nowadays, anyway?
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Posted by: wavydavy on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM
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As someone who has smoked pot for over 40 years, I did not know there was a "right end of a joint to light". Well, other than it shouldn't be the end you are going to put in your mouth.
Can someone enlighten me? I am afraid I may have been doing it wrong all these years -- though I must say I have certainly enjoyed the way I've been doing it.
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Posted by: tremonisha on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 AM
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A colleague who teaches in an elementary school in my area (Oakland, CA) says that young people's parents have actually shown up -- when they bother to show up -- to meetings with the teacher so high that it hampers communication.
What will legalization do to stem the tide of drug abuse in my community? You say that you want marijuana to be treated like alcohol? Well, let me tell you: alcohol is hurting my community. Having another legalized addictive substance may make middle- and upper-class white people on their college campuses and in their suburbs happy. But every time an addictive substance is made more easily accessible -- the establishment of liquor stores throughout Black and Latino inner-city neighborhoods, the introduction of crack, the increasing availability of marijuana out here in California -- it strikes another blow against our Black children's abilities to have safe homes with unaddicted parents and their ability to show up at school and to socialize on evenings and weekends without ingesting harmful and judgement-clouding amounts of some sort of intoxicant.
The fact that Black and Latino youth are arrested for marijuana is just the tip of the iceberg. The real crimes related to marijuana -- the child neglect, the intoxication in school, the driving under the influence -- are the ones that hurt our families and our children.
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Steven, I was watching this on TV when it occurred. Obama was asked if legalization of marijuana could solve all debt and current financial problems if it were legalized and taxed. The answer of course is "no" and is laughable as well.
I am in total agreement that MJ should be legalized (and personnally I think all drugs should be available so that there is not this constant pressure for new customers - most people I know that were addicted (don;t know anyone anymore) once they realized what had happened to them.. did not not want to inflict it on others).
I am also disappointed that Obama is not doing more to correct this situation. Was glad to see the new instructions to the Justice Dept. about Medical MJ though. This is a baby step in the right direction.
Hopefully Obama will do more in the future but let's please get the facts straight about this particular event and what question was asked and why Obama gave the answer he did. Which I also agreed with BTW, since taxing MJ cannot solve the financial crisis..
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I thought the coverage of *marijuana was EXCELLENT. I hope many people see this program and minds are changed positively.
Our so-called Public Servants will claim ignorance,even if they take time from raising funds to view this program. As you know they are the only ones that can take Control and exhibit Leadership to CHANGE THE LAWS !!!!!
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Posted by: anotherplayaguy on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 AM
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Drug companies don't like having their livelihood threatened as legal pot certainly does.
And the prison guard lobby, at least in CA. has a vested interest in keeping the prisons full.
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Posted by: mizobe on Oct 29, 2009 3:00 PM
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Mind-expanding psychotropics such as LSD-25 and THC led to enlightenment and unbelievably rapid technological advancements. For the first time in history many became concerned about the environment and turned their backs on their primitive violent past. Most began to challenge the validity of the old religions as the mass insanity of fundamentalist fervor led to rampant terrorism, child sex scandals and hatred.
NO government can survive if the majority of people become aware of truths. They require the perpetuation of false hob-goblins and imagined fears of the un-enlightened to justify their very existence.
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Still, while alcohol and drugs may not be the problem, they certainly don't help, either. Drug dependency of either a parent or a spouse or a child can wreak havoc in a home.
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I've tried it for my Glaucoma,and It decreased the use of my eye drop (DORZOLAMIDE 2/TIMOLOL 0.5% twice a day.
It also made an extreme drop in pressure of my eyes. From .22 to .09.
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I am watching with extreme interest what happens in California on this issue in the next year.
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An "overnight" way to do this is eliminate the DEA Schedule One substances, e.g., marijuana (technically a herbal substance, not a drug), heroin, MDMA, etc., and move them all to Schedule Two. Let fifty states figure out what to do then.
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The only real positive I see related to him is that he has vacuously attempted to distance himself from the term "drug war". I say this is a positive, not related to Obama but related to the reform effort to demonize the term. Obama's attempt to declare the drug war an obsolete terminology was actually an admission that the term has acquired so much negative political baggage that even a drug warrior like him does not want to be associated with the term.
This is why, every time I refer to Obama I include the term. I believe that that is the only thing that will cause him to make real reform changes. He knows that he will loose a voter or two every time people see his name attached to the term 'drug warrior'. He is forced to make grudging concessions in pure cynical political reaction.
The only thing that has ever gotten any Democrat drug warrior to back-pedal is the threat of real political risk.
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The male plant does not contain any THC. The production of hemp has no effect on the use of the female plant, and contact with male hemp cannot be accused of leading to harder drugs.
The drug that does lead to harder drugs and is the most deadly is also the most legal. When is the government going to do something about controlling tobacco?
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The problem is all of the lobbies. There is a whole industry built up around drug interdiction. Cops, DAs, judges, *lawyers*, prison guards and corrections officials, DEA, and my favorite, the rehab industry.
Likewise, who's pocket would get picked if pot were legal? Budweiser, Segrams et al. They have lobbyists in DC bribing their congressmen and senators now. There is no BC bud or northern lights lobbyist paying off the lizards in government.
This will end up being a cash cow for CA if they make it. They will save on corections costs, add tax revenue, and return otherwise productive stoners back to civilian life.
What they don't realize is that it will turn the state into a domestic Amsterdam. You think wine country tours are big? Humbolt Co would be a bigger attraction than Vail.
The other side effect is that if everyone could grow, prices go down and it isn't worth fighting over any more. Less gang violence, border wars, and all sorts of bad stuff.
Naturally this would be done with some common sense.. Not under 18, no OWI, and a tax.
I do think that it is coming as our governments run out of money. Eventually they will figure out that it makes more sense to throw $800,000 at a real problem instead of locking up a stoner 20yrs because it was his third strike.
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The sex industry is another natural ally given the usefulness of Weed as an aphrodisiac and pleasure enhancer. Surely Microsoft and Sony, could be sold on the fact that stoners get more inovled in and play video-games for longer hours than productive sober people. And only the most useless of lobbyists would be unable to enlist Hollywood in an appeal to profit. The industry is a bastion of stoners already, given the known benefits to creativity, but a stoned populace is a captive audience for the movies.
Lets co-opt the corporations and their lobbyists. Profit, profit, profit. Once we speak their language, I am sure the politicians will at last hear reason.
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That's an opportunity, my friends. That's when you admit to being a pot smoker. "Yeah, I get what you're saying, I can't even smoke in my own HOME, let alone in a bar."
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Fuck anybody who dares to say I can't make these decisions about what to put in my body for myself. We're talking about nothing less than my God-given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness here.
Latest studies show that smoking cannabis not only does not cause lung cancer, it is protective against it. Latest studies also show that cannabis is protectives against Alzheimer's. It not only does not destroy brain cells, it rejuvenates them and fosters the growth of new brain cells.
Anti-marijuana laws are just insane. Cannabis is God's gift to man.
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 AM
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P.S.: It was the Democratic Party who supported the overtaxation of cannabis that Harry Anslinger asked for. It was also the Democratic Party that allowed Nixon to build the DEA. Ralph Nader would have put legalizing Cannabis on the table whereas Obama is doing more backdoor dealing with Big Pharma that strongly opposes legalizing cannabis even for medical purposes. It is no different from Saddam Hussein using chemical warfare to poison his own citizens. I'm glad I voted for Nader !
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You are up against several lobbies. Alcohol, Tobacco and Retail Grocery.
Let' face it, pot will replace alcohol and tobacco for a large percentage of their business if it were legal. Retail groceries would lose sales.
Another impediment is tax receipts for local and state governments. Once legalized it would be grown everywhere and escape taxation. Unlike tobacco, pot is easy to grow. Despite what advocates say legalization of pot will lose tax revenue.
Having said all that I say legalize it ... screw alcohol and tobacco. But get ready for higher taxes elsewhere to make up the shortfall from state and local sales taxes.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 AM
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Those are charges leveled by radical leftists, anarchists and socialists. Liberals think of prohibition as simply impractical or counterproductive. Nationally elected Democrats are a group that includes few liberals and many corporate whores. Spinlessness is a red herring.
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Posted by: Strephon on Oct 29, 2009 3:18 AM
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"The Government’s chief drug adviser has suggested that Ecstasy, LSD and cannabis are less dangerous than both alcohol and cigarettes."
See
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6894710.ece
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Posted by: MMarauder on Oct 29, 2009 5:09 AM
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On top of that we choose to make prison fodder out of the millions of citizens who take advantage of a relatively harmless plant/drug that grows wild in almost all parts of our nation.
By making these drugs illegal we are also fueling the massive drug cartels and street gangs by making the business of drug distribution extremely profitable and we have turned the prison system into a profit center for corporate America to further profit off of the misery of people. Not to mention the huge amount of destruction caused to individual lives as a result of this madness.
Bottom line is it is good for business (as usual) to shove this BS down our collective throats.
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Posted by: bcainw on Oct 29, 2009 5:26 AM
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http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP/RelegalizeNowObama25.htm
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 29, 2009 5:29 AM
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At this moment, legislators in California are considering some sort of legalization. Can it be? Is there actually a State House in this silly country showing the courage to do the right thing seventy-two years after this relatively harmless drug was made illegal??? Could the rest of the country be far behind????
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Posted by: gazooks on Oct 29, 2009 6:21 AM
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Even if just 10% of current users did this on the same day, our law enforcement/judicial system would seize up faster than consumer credit.
Unless there's a proactive demonstration of consensus on the absurdity of the current prohibition and it's crippling social and economic costs, we'll be having this same discussion a decade from now with a prison population double the current 3+ million.
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Posted by: pure_genius on Oct 29, 2009 6:37 AM
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Alcohol would still be illegal today if a minority condoned drinking and all the producers did everything they could to keep it banned.
The forces we are fighting in this battle are many and varied. The author's point about politicians changing their positions to suit their ambitions is dead on. A perfect example of this is Senator Dianne Feinstein. While she publicly supports medicinal cannabis, she only does so because it is politically pragmatic in California. In reality, her support of modern prohibition runs just as deep and is as rabid as Representative Mark Souder's. Having wolves in sheep's clothing like this is horribly detrimental.
Many think that the racially disparate impact of the drug laws is an unfortunate confluence of social and economic factors. It would be unfortunate if it were not so intentional. Expecting laws founded upon racial animosity to be equally enforced among the races is beyond senseless. It is no coincidence that the Prohibition which overwhelmingly affected whites lasted only twelve years, while the other "dangerous" drugs have remained illegal for nearly a century.
I wonder how different things might be if most people knew there was a time when all drugs were legal and the percentage of hard core drug addicts has remained virtually unchanged. All the money, time and effort spent trying to reach the unattainable goal of a drug-free nation has not done anything but cause death, waist lives and give psychopaths immense power they would not otherwise have.
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Posted by: Robinx3 on Oct 29, 2009 6:41 AM
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The few times I've tried pot, I thought I was going to have a heart attack - I even made my friend drive me to the hospital in case I went into cardiac arrest.
People that I've met that have used pot most of their adult lives don't seem quite normal to me - really rather off in some mental way. No way would I want marijuana legalized for recreational use.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 29, 2009 7:12 AM
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Mainstream use of MJ may not be an argument for it. Just as California's mainstream opposition to gay marriage may not be an good argument against it.
We live in a republic, not a democracy. We assume that our representatives will make informed decisions based on the evidence. Are they doing this in the health care debates?
Indulging our self centered desires may not be best for our society. If you want to understand the three basic assumptions of values we can live by, check out the free ebook series at http://andgulliverreturns.info. I don't remember if it tackles the marijuana question but it does a great job on many other 'moral' questions.
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Posted by: easywind on Oct 29, 2009 7:21 AM
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My injuries led me to the southwest for the winters and I bought property in Arizona and started building.
Last year I went out there and was stopped by a police officer while driving. I was coming back from the VA hospital and was bandaged on both arms, I had fasted all day. I have a full beard and the policeman didn't like me I could tell immediately. He asked for licence registration and insurance card which I provided, took off my sunglasses, ointed me in the sun and asked me to take a field sobroiety test, when my wife said I had just come from the hospital he told her to shut up or he would arrest her.
Anyway I refused and was immediately handcuffed and put into the police car where I was told I would either urinate into a cup or have blood drawn, I urinated and was found to have a metabolite in my system. I hired a lawyer, the lawyer spoke to the state criminalogist who stated I was not impaired. The lawyer could not testify to that or state I was not impaired, anyway $5000 for a lawyer a $1500 fine, 2 days in jail and loss of licence forever I have moved on. I now live in Portugal 6 months a year and reside in Mexico in the winter months.
This is huge business. The reason I lost my licence forever is that I refuse to do drug counciling at $60 an hour 45 minutes a week for 48 weeks. I would rather have my medicine than my licence.
The more I'm out of the U.S. the saner I become and see everyone has a better quality of life than people here.
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Posted by: easywind on Oct 29, 2009 7:21 AM
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My injuries led me to the southwest for the winters and I bought property in Arizona and started building.
Last year I went out there and was stopped by a police officer while driving. I was coming back from the VA hospital and was bandaged on both arms, I had fasted all day. I have a full beard and the policeman didn't like me I could tell immediately. He asked for licence registration and insurance card which I provided, took off my sunglasses, ointed me in the sun and asked me to take a field sobroiety test, when my wife said I had just come from the hospital he told her to shut up or he would arrest her.
Anyway I refused and was immediately handcuffed and put into the police car where I was told I would either urinate into a cup or have blood drawn, I urinated and was found to have a metabolite in my system. I hired a lawyer, the lawyer spoke to the state criminalogist who stated I was not impaired. The lawyer could not testify to that or state I was not impaired, anyway $5000 for a lawyer a $1500 fine, 2 days in jail and loss of licence forever I have moved on. I now live in Portugal 6 months a year and reside in Mexico in the winter months.
This is huge business. The reason I lost my licence forever is that I refuse to do drug counciling at $60 an hour 45 minutes a week for 48 weeks. I would rather have my medicine than my licence.
The more I'm out of the U.S. the saner I become and see everyone has a better quality of life than people here.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 AM
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In 1961, Anslinger went to the UN and used the then powerful amerikan influence to make hemp illegal around the world. What kind of meglomania does it take to outlaw a valuable and harmless PLANT that was used peacefully for almost 10 000 years?
2) How can you justify continuation of laws that were based on entirely on racism? Typical Anslinger quotes:
"This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
In the thirties, this sort of talk was considered scientific rationale for hemp prohibition. Even the use of the word "marijuana" was intended to make american hemp sound like a foreign menace!
What kind of champion for civil rights is unwilling to address a law founded in racist hysteria that has turned millions of otherwise decent people into criminals and destroyed their lives?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 29, 2009 7:43 AM
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Posted by: RFWoodstock on Oct 29, 2009 7:49 AM
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Woodstock Universe supports legalization for a variety of reasons. Check them out and vote in our poll "Should marijuana be legalized?" at http://woodstockuniverse.com
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Posted by: 53yoStoner on Oct 29, 2009 7:57 AM
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What he said made the most sense to me. We live in a Dominator society, and the drugs of choice for that society are nicotine, caffine, and alcohol.
These drugs actually fit right in with the dominator model. Party hard. Be aggressive, get up and go to work every day. Make a bunch of money. Beat your competitors. Work boy, work. Feed the beast. Don't think about anything except making money.
The machine doesn't want people questioning the whole enchilada. "Do I really need this big house to be happy? Why do I have to give those pricks at least forty hours of my life a week? For what? Couldn't I be just as happy with less?"
"Screw working for the man. I think I'll call up some friends and play some music today. Or make some art."
"Why are we always at war?"
It's these kinds of thoughts that come to mind once a person starts using drugs that are against the Dominator model. The drugs that open the mind. The drugs of the lost Earth Goddess society of which marijuana is one.
I believe that is what the guardians of the Dominator society are really afraid of.
As well they should be.
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Posted by: Buck in NM on Oct 29, 2009 8:11 AM
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If you do not have enough criminals to support a police state, the solution is to create more. You do this by passing laws that cannot be obeyed and so therefore you have your criminal. (Incarcerate them quickly before they get away)
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Posted by: liblady2008 on Oct 29, 2009 8:15 AM
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It has just been like pulling teeth to get America beyond it's Puritan past, beyond sticking it's head in the sand. You would think the alcohol prohibition debacle would have taught us a lesson, guess not.
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Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 AM
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All drugs were legal prior to the turn of the 20th century. The most common group found to be using opium was middle aged/income housewives. You could buy opium powder (heroin) that was manufactured by Merck for 75 cents a two ounce tin. Some chewing gum had cocaine in it to aid tooth aches. Certain wines and soft drinks (Coca Cola) had cocaine in them. Yet the world did not come to a halt.
I find it amazing that alcohol and tobacco were the two substances finally allowed by society. Pharmeceutical grade heroin is safer than alcohol. Alcohol is a poison. That is why you puke after consuming too much...your body is trying to purge the toxins from itself. Nicotine is more addictive than heroin and is also a poison. It used to be used to kill rats. Marijuana has never killed anyone, ever, yet it remains illegal while the two poisons are acceptable? This is a complete farce and totally immoral at best!
The government has no business telling anybody what they may or may not consume. By doing so, they are taking control over your very body away from you! As long as you are not harming anybody else, you should be free to do as you wish and consume what you want. The war on drugs is not only as waste of taxpayer money, it is totally immoral as it wastes the lives of otherwise totally law abiding citizes who have harmed nobody. Our nation did just fine for the first 125 years without drug prohibition. Drug laws were created and are perpetuated to isolate a certain segment of our society and label that segment as being inferior to the remaining portion. They serve no other purpose. As such, it can do much better with out them.
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Posted by: RFWoodstock on Oct 29, 2009 8:47 AM
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 29, 2009 9:03 AM
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Our government spends billions of dollars a year on arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating drug-law violators. Choked courts and prisons, an incarceration rate higher than most other nations in the world, and tax dollars diverted from education and health care are just a few of the costs our current prohibition imposes. There are health costs in drug prohibition. During the prohibition era, some fifty thousand Americans were paralyzed after consuming "jake," an adulterated Jamaican ginger extract. Today we have marijuana made more dangerous by government-sprayed paraquat.
Prohibition did succeed in reducing alcohol consumption and alcohol-related ills ranging from cirrhosis to public drunkenness and employee related absenteeism. But this was due to the effectiveness of the temperance movement in publicizing the dangers of alcohol. The decline in alcohol consumption during those years, like the recent decline in cigarette consumption, had less to do with laws than with changing social attitudes.
During the 1980s, for example, Americans began switching from hard liquor to beer and wine, from high tar-and-nicotine to low tar-and-nicotine cigarettes, and even from caffeinated to decaffeinated sodas, coffees, and teas.
Alcohol prohibition was repealed after just thirteen years while the prohibition of other drugs has continued for over 75 years. Why? Alcohol prohibition struck directly at society's most powerful members. The prohibition of other drugs, by contrast, threatened far fewer Americans with hardly any political power.
Only the prohibition of marijuana, which nearly 100 million Americans have violated since 1965, has come close to approximating the Prohibition era experience, but marijuana smokers consist mostly of young and relatively powerless Americans.
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 29, 2009 9:11 AM
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That doesn't mean I have the right to get snotty about anyone who may be interested; that's their RIGHT, after all.
Prohibition is NOT the answer to psychoactive drug use.
A few minutes studying the history of alcohol prohibition shows what's glaringly obvious; the more repressive and insistent the prohibition is, the more it'll be RESISTED by people defending their personal liberties, and the bigger the crime families become, rushing in to fill the supply vacuum.
It's time to grow up here, face reality, and quit calling pot smokers criminals.
This would pull the rug out from underneath the drug racketeers and their allies.
How much of a problem is MOONSHINE, nowadays, anyway?
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Posted by: wavydavy on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM
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As someone who has smoked pot for over 40 years, I did not know there was a "right end of a joint to light". Well, other than it shouldn't be the end you are going to put in your mouth.
Can someone enlighten me? I am afraid I may have been doing it wrong all these years -- though I must say I have certainly enjoyed the way I've been doing it.
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Posted by: tremonisha on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 AM
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A colleague who teaches in an elementary school in my area (Oakland, CA) says that young people's parents have actually shown up -- when they bother to show up -- to meetings with the teacher so high that it hampers communication.
What will legalization do to stem the tide of drug abuse in my community? You say that you want marijuana to be treated like alcohol? Well, let me tell you: alcohol is hurting my community. Having another legalized addictive substance may make middle- and upper-class white people on their college campuses and in their suburbs happy. But every time an addictive substance is made more easily accessible -- the establishment of liquor stores throughout Black and Latino inner-city neighborhoods, the introduction of crack, the increasing availability of marijuana out here in California -- it strikes another blow against our Black children's abilities to have safe homes with unaddicted parents and their ability to show up at school and to socialize on evenings and weekends without ingesting harmful and judgement-clouding amounts of some sort of intoxicant.
The fact that Black and Latino youth are arrested for marijuana is just the tip of the iceberg. The real crimes related to marijuana -- the child neglect, the intoxication in school, the driving under the influence -- are the ones that hurt our families and our children.
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Posted by: fapper on Oct 29, 2009 10:11 AM
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Steven, I was watching this on TV when it occurred. Obama was asked if legalization of marijuana could solve all debt and current financial problems if it were legalized and taxed. The answer of course is "no" and is laughable as well.
I am in total agreement that MJ should be legalized (and personnally I think all drugs should be available so that there is not this constant pressure for new customers - most people I know that were addicted (don;t know anyone anymore) once they realized what had happened to them.. did not not want to inflict it on others).
I am also disappointed that Obama is not doing more to correct this situation. Was glad to see the new instructions to the Justice Dept. about Medical MJ though. This is a baby step in the right direction.
Hopefully Obama will do more in the future but let's please get the facts straight about this particular event and what question was asked and why Obama gave the answer he did. Which I also agreed with BTW, since taxing MJ cannot solve the financial crisis..
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Posted by: picket on Oct 29, 2009 10:14 AM
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I thought the coverage of *marijuana was EXCELLENT. I hope many people see this program and minds are changed positively.
Our so-called Public Servants will claim ignorance,even if they take time from raising funds to view this program. As you know they are the only ones that can take Control and exhibit Leadership to CHANGE THE LAWS !!!!!
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Posted by: anotherplayaguy on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 AM
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Drug companies don't like having their livelihood threatened as legal pot certainly does.
And the prison guard lobby, at least in CA. has a vested interest in keeping the prisons full.
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Posted by: mizobe on Oct 29, 2009 3:00 PM
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Mind-expanding psychotropics such as LSD-25 and THC led to enlightenment and unbelievably rapid technological advancements. For the first time in history many became concerned about the environment and turned their backs on their primitive violent past. Most began to challenge the validity of the old religions as the mass insanity of fundamentalist fervor led to rampant terrorism, child sex scandals and hatred.
NO government can survive if the majority of people become aware of truths. They require the perpetuation of false hob-goblins and imagined fears of the un-enlightened to justify their very existence.
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Posted by: tremonisha on Oct 29, 2009 3:46 PM
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Still, while alcohol and drugs may not be the problem, they certainly don't help, either. Drug dependency of either a parent or a spouse or a child can wreak havoc in a home.
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Posted by: ronjula on Oct 29, 2009 4:04 PM
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I've tried it for my Glaucoma,and It decreased the use of my eye drop (DORZOLAMIDE 2/TIMOLOL 0.5% twice a day.
It also made an extreme drop in pressure of my eyes. From .22 to .09.
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Posted by: hedgewytch on Oct 29, 2009 5:34 PM
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I am watching with extreme interest what happens in California on this issue in the next year.
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Posted by: Dr T on Oct 29, 2009 6:40 PM
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An "overnight" way to do this is eliminate the DEA Schedule One substances, e.g., marijuana (technically a herbal substance, not a drug), heroin, MDMA, etc., and move them all to Schedule Two. Let fifty states figure out what to do then.
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The only real positive I see related to him is that he has vacuously attempted to distance himself from the term "drug war". I say this is a positive, not related to Obama but related to the reform effort to demonize the term. Obama's attempt to declare the drug war an obsolete terminology was actually an admission that the term has acquired so much negative political baggage that even a drug warrior like him does not want to be associated with the term.
This is why, every time I refer to Obama I include the term. I believe that that is the only thing that will cause him to make real reform changes. He knows that he will loose a voter or two every time people see his name attached to the term 'drug warrior'. He is forced to make grudging concessions in pure cynical political reaction.
The only thing that has ever gotten any Democrat drug warrior to back-pedal is the threat of real political risk.
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Posted by: zrants on Oct 30, 2009 12:13 PM
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The male plant does not contain any THC. The production of hemp has no effect on the use of the female plant, and contact with male hemp cannot be accused of leading to harder drugs.
The drug that does lead to harder drugs and is the most deadly is also the most legal. When is the government going to do something about controlling tobacco?
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Oct 31, 2009 1:47 AM
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The problem is all of the lobbies. There is a whole industry built up around drug interdiction. Cops, DAs, judges, *lawyers*, prison guards and corrections officials, DEA, and my favorite, the rehab industry.
Likewise, who's pocket would get picked if pot were legal? Budweiser, Segrams et al. They have lobbyists in DC bribing their congressmen and senators now. There is no BC bud or northern lights lobbyist paying off the lizards in government.
This will end up being a cash cow for CA if they make it. They will save on corections costs, add tax revenue, and return otherwise productive stoners back to civilian life.
What they don't realize is that it will turn the state into a domestic Amsterdam. You think wine country tours are big? Humbolt Co would be a bigger attraction than Vail.
The other side effect is that if everyone could grow, prices go down and it isn't worth fighting over any more. Less gang violence, border wars, and all sorts of bad stuff.
Naturally this would be done with some common sense.. Not under 18, no OWI, and a tax.
I do think that it is coming as our governments run out of money. Eventually they will figure out that it makes more sense to throw $800,000 at a real problem instead of locking up a stoner 20yrs because it was his third strike.
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Posted by: Robert Thompson on Nov 2, 2009 6:38 AM
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The sex industry is another natural ally given the usefulness of Weed as an aphrodisiac and pleasure enhancer. Surely Microsoft and Sony, could be sold on the fact that stoners get more inovled in and play video-games for longer hours than productive sober people. And only the most useless of lobbyists would be unable to enlist Hollywood in an appeal to profit. The industry is a bastion of stoners already, given the known benefits to creativity, but a stoned populace is a captive audience for the movies.
Lets co-opt the corporations and their lobbyists. Profit, profit, profit. Once we speak their language, I am sure the politicians will at last hear reason.
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Posted by: grailsnail on Nov 4, 2009 3:43 PM
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That's an opportunity, my friends. That's when you admit to being a pot smoker. "Yeah, I get what you're saying, I can't even smoke in my own HOME, let alone in a bar."
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Posted by: TonyWicher on Nov 7, 2009 9:24 AM
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Fuck anybody who dares to say I can't make these decisions about what to put in my body for myself. We're talking about nothing less than my God-given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness here.
Latest studies show that smoking cannabis not only does not cause lung cancer, it is protective against it. Latest studies also show that cannabis is protectives against Alzheimer's. It not only does not destroy brain cells, it rejuvenates them and fosters the growth of new brain cells.
Anti-marijuana laws are just insane. Cannabis is God's gift to man.
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