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The Wing-Nut Code: What Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin Are Really Saying to Their Followers

You thought they were just unhinged. But here's what they're really saying to the armed and dangerous.
September 2, 2009  |  
 
 
 
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Editor's note: As members of the Tea Party and patriot movements march and rally in Washington, D.C., on September 12, they will be out in full regalia, and you can expect the speeches to be loaded with code -- signals to various factions of their coalition, some of them armed, to mobilize politically on specific issues (health-care reform, energy reform, net neutrality) and against President Obama himself. Here's a glossary of the symbols and shorthand likely to be employed in this weekend's smoke-and-mirrors display of purported right-wing power.

When Glenn Beck offers an odd-looking icon for his 9-12 Project, or Sarah Palin says something about her native state that sounds a bit to off-kilter to the ears of those in the lower 48, it's tempting to think, well, they're just nuts.

Perhaps they are, but that's beside the point. The point is that when Beck throws up a graphic of a segmented snake as his project's mascot, or Palin speaks of her native land as the "sovereign" state of Alaska, they're blowing a kind of dog-whistle for the armed and paranoid who make up the right-wing, neo-militia "Patriot" movement and the broader "Tea Party" coalition.

The loose affiliation of right-wing groups under the Tea Party umbrella can make it difficult to discern who's truly dangerous, and who's just an angry blowhard.

For instance, in its report about the resurgence of the militia movement, the Southern Poverty Law Center notes that a Minuteman militia in Southern California uses the Tea Party anthem as its call to arms.

Scott Roeder, the militant anti-abortion activist who is charged with the killing of Dr. George Tiller, counts himself among the members of the patriot movement.

But in Pittsburgh earlier this month, I sat among a group of disgruntled senior citizens at a conference sponsored by the astroturf group, Americans for Prosperity, who probably don't spend their weekends training for a war with the government, but nonetheless consider themselves to be part of the Tea Party coalition -- and perhaps even the patriot movement. Nonetheless, when conference speakers made reference to gun rights, they received heartfelt applause.

The Tea Party coalition is mobilizing for what it promises will be a big march on Washington on Sept. 12. As the date approaches, expect to hear more disguised shout-outs to patriots and tea-partiers, as right-wing politicians seek to placate the hordes said to be on their way to the nation's capitol.

Members of the far-right Tea Party and patriot movements love the iconography of the American Revolution. They fancy themselves as "patriots" in the mold of Ethan Allen and Charles Gadsden -- men who led militias against the troops of England's despotic King George III.

Yet much of their ideology stems from the states' rights philosophy of the Confederacy in the Civil War, and sometimes the ideas and symbols of the two wars are drawn together in a tangle of rage.

Some self-described "patriots" take part in the resurgent militia movement, but many do not. However, gun enthusiasts are rife in their ranks, and many view their role as one of "resistance" to what they see as government encroachment in their lives.

They oppose virtually all forms of taxation and almost anything run by the government. (Hence, the title of the site run by Grassfire.org known as ResistNet.)

Here are some words and images used by right-wing political and media figures as signals to the patriot and Tea Party constituencies, signals used to organize the throngs against health care legislation, environmental reforms and all things identified with President Barack Obama.

1. Snakes! -- Even before the American Revolution, the rattlesnake -- native to North America -- was a potent symbol for the American colonies. The patriot movement has appropriated the use of a number of Revolutionary War militia flags that feature rattlesnakes, often accompanied by the words, "Don't Tread On Me."



The most recognizable of these is the Gadsden flag, a yellow flag emblazoned with the image of a coiled snake, and the "Don't Tread On Me" slogan.

It's the image that graced the sign carried by the New Hampshire man who showed up with a gun strapped to his leg outside the venue where Obama was scheduled to conduct a town-hall meeting on health care reform.



At the Americans for Prosperity Conference that I attended, a group called American Majority offered for sale a poster that featured the same coiled-snake image.



Beck, when creating the iconography for his 9-12 Project -- an organizing hub for town-hall disrupters and people preparing to join the Sept. 12 Tea Party march on Washington -- found a slightly more obscure version of the colonial snake that would resonate, nonetheless, with the patriot types.


Beck's snake is segmented into nine parts, to align with his project's "nine principles."

The image is a variation on this one, by Benjamin Franklin, which is thought to be the first political cartoon to run in an American newspaper.


Franklin's snake is segmented into eight parts, representing what were then only eight American colonies. His cartoon implores all eight to join together to fight the French in the French and Indian War and is labeled with the slogan, "Join, or Die."

Bottom line: Any time you see the snake used as a graphic element by right-wingers, you can safely assume it's a call to the often-armed and sometimes-violent members of the patriot movement.

2. The tree of liberty -- This reference comes from a famous Thomas Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots." You'll often find it used in bits and pieces as a form of code.


Outside the New Hampshire town hall, the armed man held a sign that not only featured the coiled snake of the Gadsden flag, but a reference to the Jefferson quote: "It is time to water the tree of liberty."

Note the call of secessionists speaking just this week on the steps of the Texas state capitol building.

Fringe gubernatorial candidate Debra Medina may have flubbed the Jefferson quote, but her intent is clear: "We are aware that stepping off into secession may be a bloody war," she said at the rally called by the Texas Nationalist Movement. "We are aware that the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots."

In an example of how more-establishment types signal the far right in code, Ralph Reed used another piece of the quote while speaking at an Americans for Prosperity-sponsored rally against health care reform in Atlanta on Aug. 15:

"Our right to protest has been purchased with the blood of patriots who paid the ultimate price so that we could be free men and women and have the ability to petition our government. We will not be intimidated, we will not be silenced, and we will not go away."

That "blood of patriots" bit? Dog whistle to the gun nuts.

3. Patriot -- A patriot is a member of a movement seen by its participants as the resistance -- often armed -- to the perceived conspiracy of socialists, Jews, blacks and other people "not like us," who have taken over the government, the global banking system and the world.

Some self-identified patriots are armed to the teeth and seem pathologically violent; others, not so much.

As Chip Berlet and Matthew N. Lyons wrote in a 1995 edition of The Progressive about the patriot movement:
Attending a patriot meeting is like having your cable-access channel video of a PTA meeting crossed with audio from an old Twilight Zone rerun.

The people seem so sane and regular. They are not clinically deranged, but their discourse is paranoid, and they are awash in the crudest conspiracy theories.
When you hear a right-wing politician or media figure refer to someone as a "patriot," watch out! That patriot may think it his patriotic duty to take you out.



4. Tea Party -- The Tea Party coalition encompasses a broad swath of the right -- including members of the religious right and the patriot movement. (There's even an organization called Tea Party Patriots.)

Taking its name from the Boston Tea Party -- a famous incident that foreshadowed the American Revolution -- the Tea Party coalition was initially drawn together under the anti-taxation umbrella by such astroturfing outfits as FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity and Grassfire.

(The Boston Tea Party was an act of civil disobedience at which revolutionaries threw overboard, as a tax protest, the cargo of three tea-carrying British vessels. King George III had slapped a hefty tax on the tea, in a defiance of the colonial Continental Congress.)

5. Sovereign -- In the right wing, this term has two meanings. The most troubling refers to a notion called "sovereign citizen," a term popularized by the violent Posse Comitatus militia formation in the 1970s to argue that white people have a superior form of citizenship to that of black people. More commonly, the term "sovereign" refers to a states' rights philosophy that is consonant with secessionist ideologies.

Before she left office in July, Palin signed a "sovereignty resolution," reasserting Alaska's rights as a "sovereign state" under the U.S. Constitution.

Legislators in 36 other states have introduced similar resolutions, according to the right-wing Tenth Amendment Center.

Palin, you'll recall, sent a video shout-out last year to the secessionist Alaska Independence Party, of which her husband, Todd, was a member for seven years.



6. Tenth Amendment -- The final amendment to in the Bill of Rights reads simply: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Secessionists and states' rights enthusiasts argue that the federal government has already unconstitutionally usurped all sorts of powers from the states. Bear in mind that the argument for states' rights and state sovereignty provided the justification offered by the states of the Confederacy during the Civil War.

The issue at had was not slavery, per se, the argument went -- it was the federal government overstepping into the jurisdiction of the states when it began to regulate slavery.

The 10th Amendment movement is tied in with the Tea Party and patriot movements: On the Web site of the Tenth Amendment Center, one finds yet another version of the "Don't Tread On Me" flag, and links to 35 state groups identified as part of the patriot movement -- a number of them state chapters of Glenn Beck's 9-12 Project.

State-sovereignty enthusiasts are known as "tenthers".



7. Second Amendment -- The right to bear arms, the patriot movement's cornerstone. Beck devotes a whole channel of his 9-12 Project Web site to this most-precious amendment to the Constitution.

Members of the Tea Party and patriot movements read this amendment in absolutist terms, arguing that the Constitution allows the federal government no earthly role in the regulation of firearms.

The amendment is simple, and was passed at a time when the young United States was dependent on state-based militias for the nation's self-defense: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Earlier this year, legislators in the states of Montana and Tennessee decided to test the limits of the Second Amendment by passing gun laws designed to conflict with federal regulations, in the hope of calling forth a showdown on not just the Second Amendment, but the Tenth Amendment, as well.

At issue is the federal regulation of firearms produced within each state for use within that state's boundaries. In the past, the federal government has justified federal regulation of firearms based on the constitutional power granted for the regulation of interstate commerce. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has responded to both states, taking issue with their new laws -- a mere volley in what promises to be a constitutional showdown.

8. Revolution -- When these folks talk about a revolution, they're not talking in merely philosophical terms. No, this is no paradigm shift, no sea-change. This is about guns.

Remember, they're all little Ethan Allens and George Washingtons, ready to take on the tyrant's guard.

So when Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., told a town-hall meeting last week, "We're almost reaching a revolution in this country," he's giving a nod to the patriot movement.

9. The government -- Plain and simple, all things bad and evil. Oklahoma's Republican junior senator, Tom Coburn, gave the patriots a nod last month when he told David Gregory, host of NBC's Meet the Press that members of Congress who face threats of violence over the prospect of health care reform have "earned" that response, because Congress has caused people to "stop having confidence in, in our government."

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Coburn said this after Gregory noted that Timothy McVeigh, who killed more than 160 people when he blew up the Oklahoma federal building, bore the Jefferson "tree of liberty" quote on the T-shirt he wore that day -- the same quote on the sign that armed man in New Hampshire held to greet the president.


Timothy McVeigh's T-shirt

Finally, it must be noted the code is not always necessary to send the signal. There are sins of commission, and sins of omission, such as that of Sen. Charles Grassely, R-Iowa, who simply stood by as an audience member at one of his town-hall meetings on health care reform last month called for an armed intervention on the White House.

Audience member Tom Eisenhower said that Obama was "acting like a little Hitler," and suggested that others gather up their guns and join him for a visit to Washington.

Grassley didn’t condemn the man or his suggestions but went on to rationalize Eisenhower’s anger, calling health care reform "the straw that broke the camel’s back," especially in light of the "General Motors nationalization" and the "nationalization of banks."




Adele M. Stan AlterNet's Washington bureau chief.
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Whack Beck and Palin all you want and that's cool. In the meantime,
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 2, 2009 12:18 AM   
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the gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey are only getting REDDER and thanks to Obama and Congress pandering to the rightwing, the voters in both states are getting VERY VERY ANGRY ! I hear New Jersey has a third party eating away at both parties. Virginia might not but Deeds's running a "centrist" campaign is backfiring already. Beck and Palin will be getting more followers in both states because the Democrats in Washington are doing nothing to clean up or undo the damage Bush has done in the last 8 years. If you think this year's gubernatorial races are nothing, take a look at 1993 and 2005. In both cases, the party in power in the White House also had a strong lock on both chambers of Congress. The party would lose both gubernatorial races and the next years control of both chambers of Congress. What with Obama doing a fucking poor job, this year's election will be a VERY VERY BAD OMEN for what's to come next year. One day a farmer sees smoking coming from under his corn field and one week later his entire farmland is covered in lava ! This is how bad it's looking !

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Bring On The Paranoia ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 2, 2009 12:32 AM   
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These people have no chance of ever succeeding at anything ... Sure there may be random acts of violence but anarchy ? No way.

The fact is the Corporate Media is playing all this up so the Feds can rationalize more domestic spying, militarize more local police and pass even more laws stripping the public of even more freedoms ...

All this threat mongering is driving the public into the arms of those that would take more rights, limit free speech and access to the internet and alternative media.

What better way to enslave America than scare the people into asking for it ...

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How much does Unity '08 pay your stupid bastards?
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 2, 2009 12:55 AM   
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How much do they pay you to stay up all night so you can get in the first word?

Don't you understand YET that we all know you?

you are so so so fucked up.

Do you think you can sway anyone here?

Do you know you are wasting your time?

Do you know how utterly hopelessly stupid and contemptable you are?

Losers.

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There's nothing a Marxist Alternut hates more than liberty.
Posted by: Macarthur on Sep 2, 2009 1:29 AM   
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Let me get this straight: if you believe in the 2nd amendment, you're a "gun nut," and if you believe in the 10th amendment, you're a Confederate racist. Well, that's 20% of the Bill of Rights. What other amendments do you Obama-loving Marxists have a problem with? We are no longer allowed to freely express religion on public property, so the 1st amendment is out (nevermind hate crime legislation, the fairness doctrine, and campaign finance reform!). Kelo vs New London abolished the 4th and 5th amendments. Shit, now that more than half of the Bill of Rights is gone, forget the rest!

What's wrong with national sovereignty? Why does that idea scare you so much? How would you feel if I invaded your house and stole all your stuff? (Maybe you're a homeless bum looking for a handout!) Why should a United Nations, the vast majority of whose members are undemocratic dictatorships, rule over our own rights and supreme laws? Are you trying to destroy America?

What's wrong with a revolution? Thomas Jefferson said we needed one every generation. Every Marxist scumbag I know owns at least one Che Guevara t-shirt, and he was as revolutionary as they come. And most of the posters on this site talk about Bush and Cheney in Nazi terms, implying that swift and radical action is needed to save the human race. So what...left-wing revolutions are great, but if it's right-wing, then the word revolution becomes a dirty one?

Some of my best friends are communists, but I respect them because they don't bullshit about their agenda. They admit that they hate America, capitalism, white people, and the Bill of Rights. It boils my blood, but we have a good argument, crack open another beer, and go back to playing X-Box. I agree with very few people about most things and no one about everything. But why can't you Marxist Alternuts just admit that you hate the Bill of Rights and all of American history? It's so fucking obvious from your rhetoric, and you're not fooling anyone with your fake patriotism. Oops! I said patriotism, another dirty word, unless Obama drapes himself in it.

I always considered Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin buffoons, but now I realize they are my allies. I must accept them and their flaws in order to save my country from the Marxist crowd that wants amnesty for tens of millions of welfare-addicted refugees to destroy our sovereignty once and for all.

The clock is ticking, comrades. You better get a move on with your Marxist agenda. November 2010 will bring a wave of Republicans to the House, if there isn't a civil war first.

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves. - Thomas Jefferson

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Would be Tyrants popping up all over.
Posted by: kedikat on Sep 2, 2009 2:01 AM   
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The wing nuts that would have little chance of winning a real democratic election are trying to stir up some revolutions so they might snatch a bit of power.

This stuff usually happens every couple of years in third world countries. Which is a big reason they remain third world. With help from first world countries to keep them there.

I can imagine the dreams of the gun toting "patriots". Being in charge, running their little corner of the backwater. Ruling by violence and threat of violence. Just gangs, warlords.

That's what will happen if secession and petty revolution actually happens. The U.S. would completely crumble into a bunch of pipsqueak potentates. The rest of the world would just pick it clean and leave the bones to bleach.

Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and the like would lead? The paranoid, and violent would lead through fear and intimidation? What a great bunch of little third world countries the U.S. would be.

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Impotent rage
Posted by: Perry Logan on Sep 2, 2009 3:46 AM   
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The Right are suffering the impotent rage of a defeated minority. This is very hard on alienated white guys.

Keep in mind, the Right have suffered a cataclysmic humiliation. They thought they were going to be in control of the U.S. forever. They had the system gamed, the districts gerrymandered, the voting machines rigged--and they still couldn't win!

I think the wingers are trying to provoke the establishment to take action against them, so they can cry "Tyranny!" The 9/11 Truthers--another group of marginalized white males--also do this.

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Whiners With With Little Minds and Big Plans Made in The Dark.
Posted by: kanekoa64 on Sep 2, 2009 4:13 AM   
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Patriots? Really?
The fantasy Armageddon, if it does happen, will be the shortest and most embarrassing revolution in history. The suckers don't even know what TIME it is, let alone the year. Americans who truly believe in the words of the constitution, instead of, misinterpreting it to suit their sickness, will wipe them off like the stain on freedom they are. And we outnumber them a million to one.
So try it, shitheads. The quicker we get this out of the way, the sooner we can continue building the country the majority of us want. And all their bitching about it won't change a thing, in the long run. By the way, you're using OUR flags and slogans, so put 'em away. You ruining their historical meanings and shaming yourselves.
The un-American whining can and will reach a fever pitch. These fringe element, frightened caucasians have been in the wings even before GWB managed to steal the election from us , starting lying, thumping Bibles and waving flags to distract these idiots from what the rest us tried our best to expose. The rape and pillage of our country while throwing our sons and daughters into the meat grinder to make their friends rich. The byproduct of empowering the primarily white, "Real Americans" has been the continued delusion they are the true inheritors of this country's legacy and the rest of us are stealing from them. It's the accumulative of years of passive agressive, arm chair racists, stewing in hate and being spoonfed bile and lies from a corporate controlled Right Wing media, and you can bet, the more deranged of the bunch will most certainly try violence as it's a big part of their white, good ol' boy fantasy and it's been sanctioned by the shitty little media puppets from Fox and other slanted sources meant to feed this kind of crap.

But the fact is they will be just another short, shameful piece of American history for our descendants, including theirs, to explain to their children while warning them about the inherent dangers of living in a free country. The self entitled idea of a white person being the only one with the right to be our President is dead and gone, whether they like it or not and no manufactured excuses about "Obamacare", death camps, corporate theft enabling, (where the HELL were these idiots during the Bush years? I'll tell you. Cheering "Mission Accomplished" signs and speeches, waving little American flags made in China, thats where.)
They want to fight? Bring it. Learn how far the "REAL" Americans will go to uphold the true meaning of what this country was founded for.
Unity, cooperation and determination under threat by any enemy, foreign, OR domestic. This means you, Gomer
Be warned. Some of us are armed, too.
Have a nice day, dinosaur boy. Your agenda is slated for extinction and we are your f-ing asteroid.

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Its like trying not to stare
Posted by: weathered on Sep 2, 2009 4:18 AM   
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at a train wreck.

Its no wonder as a Country we're suffering from low self-esteem.

Pull the plug on MSM and flourish or stay stuck in the myths/Lies and contortions.

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Extreme entertainment.
Posted by: PJAW on Sep 2, 2009 4:57 AM   
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Oh goody goody, there's a fight in the backyard, I wonder who's going to win. My guess is... THE CHINESE!

The problem isn't that Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin or anyone who agrees with them has guns, the problem is that they are irredeemably stupid. And you can't confiscate stupid. You can put it in a big brick building and give it pills until it quiets down, which is what used to happen until Reagan defunded mental health and turned these lunatics loose on the streets (probably why he's seen as a hero of mythic proportions - they've fogotten how nice it was with 3 hots and a cot and all the happy pills you needed).

Don't get me wrong, I'm generally not in favor of forced confinement (though sometimes it is the best therapy) but why are these people placed on public display on the airwaves? Who stands to benefit from the unrest that they inspire and exacerbate?

No, it's not a Chinese conspiracy, though they would probably ascend on the heels of a collapse of "The West". I'll provide you a clue: anyone who "owns" more that they have earned. Chaos always creates preoccupation of the masses and opportunity for confiscation of more wealth and power.

Go ahead, kill each other, "water the tree" and see what kind of fruit it bears. I'm expecting it's not going to make a very tasty pie, more likely it will be bitter and cause diarrhea. In the meantime, the big shots are going to be sitting down to big bowl of chow mein, laughing their asses off.

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disapointed
Posted by: johnthetreehugger on Sep 2, 2009 5:01 AM   
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"Bottom line: Any time you see the snake used as a graphic element by right-wingers, you can safely assume it's a call to the often-armed and sometimes-violent members of the patriot movement."

shit, i thought i was gonna be reading a thoughtful dissection of right wing symbology and rhetoric. but i stopped at the quote above because i found it to be waaay over generalized stereotyping and simply not that useful. and kinda stupid.

"a call to sometimes violent members..."

to do what, exactly?

i mean, shit, how better than the Bushies are you with unsubstantiated bullshit like this?

it sounds as ridiculous as the inane fear the suspected terrorists can signal each other with eye blinks across tv interviews.

look, i know that some members of the armed right are dangerous lunatics (and just as dangerous for their stupidity as for the fact that they are heavily armed), but, goddamn, can we please have some useful analysis and intelligence reports and not some overblown fearful bullshit? Please?

ps. right winger aren't the only ones who like the snake flag. I've seen it flown by Earth First! activists and anarchists for the last 20 years.

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The hiding place of wingnuts
Posted by: littlepitcher on Sep 2, 2009 5:11 AM   
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The wingnuts own the government. Obama's color is no problem; his dad's family is no trouble to anyone. Obama's white family is a branch of one of America's largest white organized crime families.
Health care will be sold out to those OC family members who own hospitals and medical equipment companies, and the rest of us, black and white, will be SOL as usual.
The Palins and Becks will organize the Fascisti; the left will organize party-line Marxists, hoping for a home-grown Cultural Revolution with its attendant bloodshed and tyranny by the bottom-feeders.
The rest of us, who want to live in peace and withoufear, will be shafted again by our government and our fellow citizens. And, yes, the Chinese eventually will take it all over, with a testosterone-poisoned, frustrated male armed citizenry and a lust for new and less-polluted land.

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use your '' ignore this user ''
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Sep 2, 2009 5:31 AM   
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you don't have to read troll postings from perry logan or maxpayne if you don't want to.

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The Armed And Dangerous Are Usually Corporate Government Plants
Posted by: mtcloud on Sep 2, 2009 5:52 AM   
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The Armed And Dangerous Are Usually Corporate Government Agents.

Mainstream corporate media like Alternet and Fox provocate in unison with Corporate Government Agencies.

Provocateurs At End The Fed Rally?

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Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, September 1, 2009

According to testimony given at a Missouri House of Representatives meeting yesterday, anarchists attempted to get other protesters to commit criminal acts during the End the Fed protests late last year, in what was a possible attempt to instigate chaos to justify a harsh crackdown on behalf of the authorities.

In March it came to light that the End the Fed protests, which took place at banks and regional Federal Reserve branches across the country on November 22, were being monitored closely by the United States Army Reserve Command, who implied that those protesting against the Fed and the bankster bailout were essentially terrorists.

On November 22, 2008, Alex Jones led a rally at the Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas Texas. The Dallas protest is specifically mentioned in the official Army document. Ron Paul’s brother was also in attendance.

During testimony given in response to the infamous Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) report, a document authored by Missouri Highway Patrol and distributed to fellow law enforcement agencies that characterizes Ron Paul supporters, libertarians, people who display political bumper stickers, people who own gold, or even people who fly a U.S. flag as potential domestic terrorists, one of the organizers who attended the protests said that “anarchists” attempted to recruit followers and encouraged them to commit illegal acts.

“My group was at the End the Fed rally and there were a bunch of different groups there,” Cisse Spragin told the Missouri House of Representatives on Monday. “And there was this group of anarchists who started talking to us. And then they tried to recruit us or have us join their group. Then they started telling us what should we should write on our signs, and insisting on letting them re-write some of our signs. Later we overheard them saying they couldn’t even get us to jaywalk.”

In memory of my brother Geoffrey Cloud murdered by Corporate Government Agents on 9/11 in the towers. Wake Up before your brothersistermotherfatherwifehusbandchild is murderedburned aliveblown to bits by Corporate Government Agents.

Michael Cloud

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The KKK members getting into Alternet proves the point of the article
Posted by: Bob Horn on Sep 2, 2009 5:56 AM   
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This article is pretty good. The right-wing psychotic moron Nazi's are organized. A growing number of them seem to have been assigned to get their hate posted on Alternet, or they figured it out themselves that they can mess with humans this way. That also shows that the article is right about the moronic words of scum like Beck and Palin are dog whistles to these criminals.

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Thanks again . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Sep 2, 2009 5:57 AM   
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Thanks again for another essay I can use to demonstrate the tortured reasoning and logic of propagandist literature - especially the left-wing kind.

I started to count the logical fallacies, false contentions, and erroneous statements in this piece, decided to wait until class time. This will be very useful, and thanks again!

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9/11
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Sep 2, 2009 6:07 AM   
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So sorry Perry. You got your wires crossed. No confidence in the official story cuts across race.

In fact blacks and latinos have higher distrust of Bush and higher percentage than whites believe Bush administration was involved.

Get your facts straight.

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I do hope some of the pinheaded, gun totters do something
Posted by: ETSpoon on Sep 2, 2009 6:21 AM   
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Oh, it would be delicious if some of Glenn Beck's acolytes took a few pot shots at D.C. Federal Park Police or the D.C. officers of the city police at the "massive" 9/12 rally in Washington, D.C. September 12. Maybe some of them will shoot out some White House windows.

Oh, wouldn't that be lovely.

If these Second Amendment-denominationalists think the hand of the federal government lies heavy on their necks now just imagine the repercussions of a couple dozen Glenn Beck-acolytes shooting up the Washington, D.C. Mall?

A gun collector friend of mine, a staunch Democrat and union president, says, he is certain the Second Amendment-denominationalists will screw it up for every other truly law abiding gun owner--making their paranoia a self-fulfilling prophecy

As for their leader, Glenn Beck, that dough boy will undoubtedly be safely out of any line of fire. After all Beck is an instigator who lets others take the risks after being inflamed by his rhetoric. In this Beck is like the likewise physically soft as putty Karl Rove.

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Progressives: "Let's fix the health care system
Posted by: surfreality on Sep 2, 2009 6:26 AM   
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so that everybody is covered and so that we can control the escalating costs!"

Astroturfers: "You un-American marxists! Revolution! I've got an automatic rifle, See?"

Progressives: " But health insurance is too expensive and too many people are flooding ERs."

Astroturfers "Health care is for pussies! Don't tread on me! Don't tread on me! you Godless homosexuals."

Progressives: " America spends twice as much on health care as any other western industrial country yet our nation is not as healthy as those."

Astroturfers: " Rationing! DEATH PANELS! Water The Tree Of Liberty! Obama is from Kenya! Lookit my big gun!"

I could do this all day...

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really?
Posted by: astralman on Sep 2, 2009 6:29 AM   
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i know these "patriots" and "tea baggers" can't be reasoned with, but I wish they could tell me what "freedoms" they've lost. Could they actually define socialism and provide examples of it's success and failure in contemporary public policy? Do they have any ideas on how they would have dealth w/ the banking and home crisis? Would they really have let them fail? Would cutting back on "pork barrell" spending really have reduced our deficiet? These are the same people who shop at wal-mart and believe in totally unregulated "free" markets. It's total hypocrisy and a danger to the country.

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MY RIGHT WING MANIFESTO
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 2, 2009 6:40 AM   
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This evil, subversive plot has been in the making for damned near forty-eight years! By all evidence, since the moment of Obama's birth! Here is a question that all good and decent Americans should demand an immediate answer to: Was the newspaper, the Honolulu Advertiser, in on the scheme when they printed little Barack's bogus birth announcement on August 9, 1961? Just where the hell does that paper lean editorially? To the hard Left, I strongly suspect. Wouldn't that just figure!

The NAACP, in coercion with the American Communist Party, Democracy NOW and Ed Asner, concocted this evil plot deep in the basement of Norm Chomskey's home in Cambridge, Massachusetts in the midst of a week-long peyote mushroom binge. The elevation of this dangerous and subversive man to the highest office in this grand and glorious land of ours is only the first step in their dastardly plan. Their next objective will be to force our daughters - our little personifications of patriotism and purity - to court and co-mingle with NEGROES.

Before very long our children - your children - will be physically forced to memorize verbatim whole chapters of James Baldwin's "Native Son" and "The Autobiography Of Malcolm X". Trust me, it's only a matter of time.

They must be stopped. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the country that we all hold so dear to our freedom-loving hearts. America is falling; victimized by forces who would put a foreign-born A-Rab in the seat that was once held by the sainted Ronald Reagan - RONALD REAGAN, I TELL YOU!

My friends, now is not the time for the faint-of-heart. It a time for boldness and stoutness of mind and spirit. Only our collective intestinal fortitude will defeat the Liberal cabal - those nattering nabobs of negativism - who would burn our beloved country down. The time has come to give America back to the real Americans. My fellow citizens, you ignore me at your own peril....

And one more thing we must never ever forget: Barack and Michelle Obama named their two daughters, "Sasha" and "Malia". What's up with that?

Of course, what you just read is meant as satire. Only a complete and utter fool could possibly take any of it seriously. The really disturbing thing, however, is the fact that there are millions of people out there who would read those last six paragraphs and wouldn't even come close to getting the joke. While there is plenty of satirical gold to be siphoned from the bottomless mine that these lunatics have provided us with, they have created a dangerous atmosphere that is enabling the nuttiest angels of the American nature. That is something that would do us all well to think about.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

AFTERTHOUGHT:

SUGGESTED READING:

What's The Matter With Kansas?

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War of Words
Posted by: C. Rich on Sep 2, 2009 6:41 AM   
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How about some kind words for once:

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=poetry

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One more thought....
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 2, 2009 6:42 AM   
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Coming soon to a theater near you - a tale so chilling it will make your blood curdle! A story so horror-laden, few would have dared imagine it only a year ago! Do not see this picture alone - Be sure to bring a friend! DON'T MISS....

ATTACK OF THE NEGROES!!!!

Be afraid, they're telling us. Be very afraid! The white man is no longer in charge. "Those people" are taking over our beloved country. The President of United States (these United States, goddammit!) isn't even an American citizen - he's a goddamned A-rab from Africa! He wants to kill grandma and grandpa! He's plannin' on sendin' our kids to reeducation camps! He's nothin' but a goddamned, latte-swirlin', french fry-eatin', Barbara Streisand-lovin' surrender monkey! Oh, Mammy! Hand me mah smellin' salts 'fore Ah faint!

Those are the depths to which political dialogue in this country has sunk in the last twenty-eight years, six months, two weeks and two days (Do the math). Long gone are days of reasoned discourse for most of these assholes. They are past the point where they could debate the issues on the basis of their ideas - because their ideas are reprehensible. To paraphrase FDR, the only thing they have to offer is fear itself. Pump the people up with hate. That is their final and only strategy.

Forgive me for pointing out this nasty little tidbit of historical fact, but this is the very same kind of inflammatory rhetoric that was polluting the American political landscape on the eves of April 14, 1865 and November 22, 1963. Need I go into detail? I didn't think so. Hardly a day goes by where I don't pray out loud, "Dear Lord, keep him safe."

That being said, here's a friendly little reminder for Glenn Beck and the hate mongers on the Far Right who are doing so much damage to the body politic: if our president is ever harmed in any serious way, you jackasses will have blood dripping from your idiotic hands. Were something that horrible ever to happen, there would be hell to pay. If I were you folks, I'd start working overtime to ensure that it does not happen. Just a thought.

On that cheerful note....

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Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Raging left wing nut vs raging right wing nut
Posted by: kad on Sep 2, 2009 7:22 AM   
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A pox on the extremes of both factions. Its the extremist of both parties who get all the press and prohibit any rational discussion of philosophical differences, that might lead to a compromise.

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Traitors and Heretics
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 2, 2009 7:23 AM   
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You are not a patriot of the United States if your allegience is only to your state.
You are not a patriot if you do not comprehend the mechanism which designates a State as opposed to a Territory.
You are not an American patriot, if your idea of a 'Perfect Union' looks more like the European Union and not the UNITED States
You are not a patriot if you are willing to bear arms against other citizens
Which leads me to why you are also not Christians. Christ did not weild a weapon, recruit soldiers nor command Armies- That was the Romans and ,in Revelations, Satan.
No Christian denounces 'empathy'.
No Christian bemoans sharing the 'wealth', in fact Charity is key to christian doctrine.
No Christian denies aid and comfort to the poor and sick.
Claims of patriotism and moral values fall on deaf ears when their actions stand in direct contradiction.
The Political and religious moderates and the Left has granted this group far too much latitude in their definition of patriotism and Morals. And by doing so we have allowed them to bastardize Both.
They might as eell be Wearing Red Coats over Roman togas.

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Gee, for once Alternet you're...
Posted by: lindawageck1 on Sep 2, 2009 7:43 AM   
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...you're NOT criticizing nor making fun of Texas Democrats, and Texas' Obama supporters...

Wow, you actually have ONE post that refrains from criticizing Obama's texans...

wow, will wonders never cease?

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States rights....
Posted by: chaoslegs on Sep 2, 2009 7:49 AM   
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...the right to say no.

I am sure many of these big federal government programs are not mandatory on the states. I know in the realm in which I work, that states are not required to get federal funding for foster care (Title IV-E of the Social Security Act), they can say no. Guess what, none of them say no. Not even Gov. Mark Sanford opted out of that funding stream.

So before 10th amendment nuts get to crazy, remember that your state accepted federal dollars and the rules and limits that come with those dollars. That was an active decision they made, they could have said no, but they didn't.

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What is the author trying to say?
Posted by: leafsong1 on Sep 2, 2009 7:52 AM   
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All of this is obvious. What's the point?

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MrStrider
Posted by: mrstrider on Sep 2, 2009 7:58 AM   
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Lighten up macarthur! Have you ever read anything by Karl Marx? He had a lot to say about Capitalism! You should try educating yourself instead of bringing up bogus claims about Socialism! We are as a countery "gun nuts". Look at our history; Our largest export is weaponry. We spend more arming ourselves and others around the world they the rest of the world combined! We lead all industrialized nations in deaths by guns. We have killed approximately 1,000,000 people in Iraq! For what? So you can feel safer at night! Americans act like scared children in the night! BOO! What was that, I better arm myself! They are 16 major intelligence agencies in this country! Guess what even with all the money that pours through the Pentagon we could not stop a small group of madmen from hijacking planes on 9/11/01!!!! What does this tell you? The Lords of War are at the helm and business is great for a select few! Get your head out of your butt and see the forest through the trees!

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Palin and Beck encourage Lawlessness
Posted by: proffordisabilities on Sep 2, 2009 8:02 AM   
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It is a shame that the Right of the Right Wing, Palin and Beck, are encocuraging the gun toting, undereducated to perform their politics to the point that they are suggesting they breach the limits of the law, convincing these their followers to break with the Union and become political entities of their own, revolting against the United States to become their own independent "nations"? and thus be beyond the laws of America. Encouraging them to bring guns to the Democratic Town Hall meetings, to break them up with riots, this is a very distubing breach of the "Patriotic" behavior they portend to be encouraging.

While we knew that Palin was pushing for Alaska to be an independent political state, and she wants to be President of our total nation, it sets off an alarm for all of the real "patriotic" Americans who have found a way to participate in the activities of American government for their own population of revolutionary citizens who also want to abdicate from the U.S. These "patriots" are following the theme of the Colonial Americans to fight for independence from the controlling interest, the American Government, that they may control their own independent state with guns and thus recall their rights to tote guns around and independtly police their "states".

While the majority of states have found that the American Congress and system of police and courts to be acceptable to handle the issues of breaches of law, these states with many groups of these gun toting "patriots" who have sufficient influence, that their states have not confronted their illegal activities, and are not confronting their fights for independence from the American government, as Palin has so outwardly fought for the state of Alaska, and how then can she consider herself as a potential candidate for the American Presidency? We acknowledge from this article that there are many other states that have sufficient support of these Red Neck undereducated groups to respond to their state's politics we should be scared.

It is because of the followship of these anti-government groups, Right of the Right, supported by the Right, that we have been fighting for the unalienable rights, such as an appropriate and justifiable education, oh, give it a rest about creationism, this is best taught in Sunday School so that those who are not Christian Conservatives have not to be taught those values and these Sunday Schools are much better enlightened in these philosophies, can handle what college educated educators without Christian educations are not prepared philosophically to teach. Please, there is supposed to be a separation of church and state.

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Prayers for Civil War
Posted by: Butter on Sep 2, 2009 8:26 AM   
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All this fervent praying for Civil War on the part of the Right may well bring one. But are they prepared for the results? How many Liberals, Blacks, Jews, Masons, "Mud People" will they have to shoot into mass graves before their 2nd Amendment blood lust has been satisfied? Presumably, like the Germans, they will be able to murder people all day long in the name of Freedom and Jesus and go home for a nice supper and Family Values. And when everyone who isn't "like us" has been eliminated, what new enemies will need to be created to keep the hate and fear machine going? When the Right begins these conflicts, and they always do, they assume, of course, they will win. As did the Confederacy. As did the Germans and the Japanese. I would remind the Right wing how those stories ended.

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You're telling me that out of a country of 300,000,000 folks...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 2, 2009 8:54 AM   
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...there are a few bananas?

And a handful of those bananas will say batsh*t crazy things?

The news here: you needed four pages to explore the obvious, dipspit.

The fringe nutcases aren't the problem. The folks who hold absolute (as absolute as possible in a system of government where you have to extend tolerance to those who don't agree with you, anyway) legislative and executive privilege and power? Hmmm...perhaps you didn't really want "change" after all...

Perhaps you just wanted your shot at ruining the country, since your buddy nutcases had their little go at it for a couple of years!

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Palin coached by Scientology
Posted by: Chandidevi on Sep 2, 2009 8:56 AM   
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Sarah Palin's reprehensible behaviour is the result of her Scientology mentors' coaching. They have made inroads into our gov't. Their primary purpose is to take over the government. Please be wary of this crazy lady. She has a hidden agenda as fostered by Scientology. If you think Scientology is benign, please read www.operationclambake.org.

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The racist imbecile progeny of the confederate traitors are walking on
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 2, 2009 8:57 AM   
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the footsteps of their forebearers.

The teabaggers leadership should be charged with treason, followed by a show trial by a military tribunal and swift execution.

I have had enough of these troglodytes. Like their criminal forebearers, they are nothing but a disaster for this nation (see Bush-Cheney).

This is the 21st century. Either accept the fact that you lost in your bid to save slavery and become civilized OR renouce your citizenship and get lost.

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Yoo-hoo, Canary in Coal Mine Here
Posted by: Lilly on Sep 2, 2009 9:13 AM   
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So here I am again beating my steady drumbeat that the Right is getting more dangerous by the hour---and saying "Thank you" for an article that spells out the matter clearly. Every day for five or six years I have spent more time than I should on right-wing websites because they fascinate me. When I post on liberal boards urging others to check out these sites, invariably I get replies along the lines of "no reasonable person would go there". Yes, reasonable persons would, if reasonable persons are interested in deciphering the handwriting on the national wall.

Let me say that every point made in this article is richly illustrated every single day on townhall.com, a major conservative site developed NOT by the white supremecists, NOT by total crazies, but by The Heritage Foundation. Every article is followed by a Comments thread that, not atypically, runs to 500-600 comments---and it is in sound-chambers like this that public opinion is shaped among the very people who are, to our horror as we watch, beginning to determine public policy even in a Democratic administration. When provisions of the health care bill are modified because politicians are scared to death of the screamers, that, folks, is what is happening: the screamers are starting to call the shots. So pay attention here.

The extremity of conservative views cannot be exaggerated. Yesterday, townhall.com featured an article complaining that President Obama has urged people to get flu vaccination against an expected epidemic. Immediate TH poster response agreed that this statement was evidence of Obama's tyrannical intentions. This morning, more of the same: they are up in arms (literally) because Obama is going to make a nationwide address to schoolchildren urging them to study hard and stay in school. "Proves he's a Marxist," townhallers agree, calling Obama's "child abuse"; speaking directly to schoolchildren = indoctrination in Communist policies. Parents are urged to move for the firing of any teacher or principal who allows the speech to be broadcast in a school.

More: it is mainstream now for conservatives to reject any law regarding any issue not specifically mentioned in the Constitution which, hello, was written in the 18th Century, therefore, laws dealing with telecommunications or automobiles are viewed as invalid and their administrators as traitors (one townhall regular wants to go to Washington, arrest federal employees, try them for treason in military tribunals, and then execute them).

It is mainstream for these folks to want to shut down the public school system. They reject all taxation as theft. They reject all social programs as handouts to layabouts. Rumors are rife that Obama is training a private army to go against the American people, entering American homes to inject them forcibly with flu vaccine and force pills down their throats (I am not making this up). They believe that FEMA is building concentration camps for the incarceration of Obama's enemies as well as for the elderly, who will be detained there without access to medical care. A racist strain is often present eg Obama is taking over the US so he can establish a punitive Black Militant regime. Among right-wing media demagogues selling these ideas, Glenn Beck is the undisputed champion, surpassing even Rush Limbaugh.

Libertarianism and racism are interwoven in an arabesque with another element, violence, which is equated with patriotism. Anxiety need not be tolerated when it can be relieved instantly by gunshot. NRA adherents brag that soon nothing will stop them from openly displaying ANY gun ANYWHERE (college campus, church, bar, hot-blooded political rally, the White House). The icon of the rattlesnake saying "Don't tread on me" means "If you impede me, I will kill you, and I have the means for doing so".

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Why are people surprised about Palin?
Posted by: zrants on Sep 2, 2009 10:01 AM   
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There were allegations that Sarah Palin's husband is a member of a separatist movement in Alaska during the campaign so it should come as no surprise that she feels the same way. What is surprising is that the McCain camp did such a bad job of vetting when they selected her to run as VP.

As much as his left-leaning supporters claim displeasure with the rate of change Obama has been able to deliver in some areas, the appointments he has made have been reasonably sane and calculated to initiate changes in Bush administration policies.

One shudders to think how much damage the other side would have done by now had Obama not won the election. Unwinding years of abuse takes time. Keep these stories coming and push them onto the mainstream media.

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Too much troll feeding
Posted by: kk33deg on Sep 2, 2009 10:27 AM   
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Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It will only annoy the pig and frustrate you.

Don't argue with a pig. It will only validate the pig's wretched existance and frustrate you.

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Adele Stan ripped me off.
Posted by: SteveA on Sep 2, 2009 10:36 AM   
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I needed those ten minutes I wasted reading your fantasy piece. You might try SyFy.

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These fools will give us fascism
Posted by: drcyflowers on Sep 2, 2009 11:16 AM   
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Incredible that these people did not complain or notice when Bush took away so much of our freedom (eg The Patriot Act, FISA, warrantless wiretapping, random airport searches etc), but they think they're losing their freedom when a Democrat wants to give everyone healthcare. It was the same when Clinton was president.

These fools will bring fascism and theocracy upon us and call it freedom.

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These people are "unamerican" and "unpatriotic"
Posted by: drcyflowers on Sep 2, 2009 11:21 AM   
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These idiotic rightwingers were very fast to label anyone who did not support Bush or his illegal war "unamerican" or "unpatriotic." But now they want to secede (eg Sarah Palin's husband) or start a revolution, and that's okay? That's not unpatriotic?

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A Difference
Posted by: bandofotters on Sep 2, 2009 12:07 PM   
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RE: "Coburn said this after Gregory noted that Timothy McVeigh, who killed more than 160 people when he blew up the Oklahoma federal building, bore the Jefferson "tree of liberty" quote on the T-shirt he wore that day -- the same quote on the sign that armed man in New Hampshire held to greet the president."
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Am I the only one who can see a difference in the wording on the sign and Jefferson's actual quote? ...and what does this have to do with McVeigh who wore a shirt with the actual Jefferson quote?

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God Hating, America Hating, Liberty Hating Conservatives.
Posted by: gryphonisle on Sep 2, 2009 12:47 PM   
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If you let a conservative talk long enough, you'll realize that they hate liberty, equality, and Jesus or Christian Values, no matter how much they wave the flag and the Bible. Free Speech is one sided, to allow them to complain about taxes and liberals, disagree with them and you're a traitor, suggest the government has done bad things abroad and at home, and you're the enemy. Equality isn't. White people deserve more, everyone else, less. Christian Values, like the Bible, is a weapon. You don't read it, or study it, you use it to attack people, confine them, make them less than you, the Other.

We can only wonder what the world would have been like if we'd followed Ambassador Kennan's advice and talked calmly, and openly, about International Communism, and used America's strengths to contain and eventually displace Communism, instead of following McCarthy's hysteria which led to a military build up we can't get rid of, and a view that the only proper response to any perceived threat is a missile. It's strange how there's never any room for the Market Place, or a sustained campaign against poverty and human suffering, an effort to help developing countries help their poor, in the eyes of the Conservatives, who one minute are denouncing terrorists and any other foreign threat, but who the next are calling for violence as the way to deal with that threat. Never the stuff they say they believe in, never America's stated values.

These folks are always anti-government, until you try to point out what awful things the government has done, like our long history of torture abroad, our massacres of civilian populations, and then suddenly, they are defending the government. They don't even want to hear about the Feds spraying serratia bacteria on San Francisco and New York City, sickening and killing people, in the early fifties; or about how many men, drafted into the army for the Korean War, were then marched out to observe a nuclear test at close range, and then ordered to walk across ground zero, an act that sent many of them to early graves with cancer. The conservatives don't want to hear it. Only liberal issues seem to matter to them. The fact they're being used as pawns to achieve de-regulation and tax cuts for corporations and the rich doesn't seem to faze them in the least.

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whine, whine whine
Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Sep 2, 2009 12:59 PM   
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I think from the sound of this author, that someone stepped on his pussy.

Here is my spin on that Jefferson quote.

The road to freedom or tyranny is stained with the blood of tyrants and patriots, it's paved with the bones of sheep.

It's time the author of this article picked up a gun,learned how to use it and shed his police state attire. Cowards will never have a police state big enough to protect themselves from their own fears. I can almost hear this author whining 230 years ago and supporting King George.

Jay Lindberg

Author of Drug War Economics: The Machine behind the Madness. A quote from my book. The more I learn about the government, the more I appreciate the French Revolution. Send me an email and I will send you a copy as a PDF file. (It's free)

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free war
Posted by: maxsmart on Sep 2, 2009 1:01 PM   
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The tea issue seems to have been colonialists unwilling to pay taxes to compensate for the French and Indian War and we seem just as unwilling to pay for our wars now but just as eager to have them.
This country isn't really our home we came in and took it with the help of bioterrorism. Humans started out black and some have turned white over time but our DNA defines us all as brother and sisters and closely related to all life on Earth.
We all share this tiny jewel of life call Earth and we are all interdependent. If we cannot learn how to live together peacefully on it we will soon be the cause of our own extinction as a failed evolutionary experiment where the mind decided to destroy its body.

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Wow, talk about painting with a broad brush....
Posted by: rickiey on Sep 2, 2009 1:10 PM   
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Does this author ever leave any room for people to have both right-wing AND left-wing values?

I have yet to see any contradiction between my desire for everyone to have access to health care, and my belief that everyone has a right to own a gun. (Yes, we know that the reason it is in the bill of rights is that a young America needed a militia, but even the reason being obsoleted, doesn't make the RIGHT obsoleted).

Is there some reason that I shouldn't be in favor of gay marriage rights and also against the concept of UN Supremecy over the US?

Do I have to now start listening to Limbaugh and be against fixing the immigration system to speed it up, just because I think there should be limits on the powers of the federal government?

I don't deserve that sort of torture.

In short, before you start demonizing people and painting anyone who has a different view of you on some issues, as a "racist redneck wishing for a rematch on the civil war", try learning who the people actually ARE, instead lumping everyone together.

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"Days Like These" from Van the Man! a god to me!
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 2, 2009 1:23 PM   
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When its not always raining there'll be days like this

When theres no one complaining there'll be days like this

When everything falls into place like the flick of a switch

Well my mama told me there'll be days like this!


When you dont need to worry there'll be days like this

When no ones in a hurry there'll be days like this

WHEN YOU DON'T GET BETRAYED BY THAT OLD JUDAS KISS!

Oh my mama told me there'll be days like this!


When you dont need an answer there'll be days like this

When you dont meet a chancer there'll be days like this

WHEN ALL THE PARTS OF THE PUZZLE START TO LOOK LIKE THEY FIT!

Then I must remember there'll be days like this!


When everyone is up front and they're not playing tricks

WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE NO FREELOADERS OUT TO GET THEIR KICKS!

When its nobodys business the way that you wanna live

I just have to remember there'll be days like this!

WHEN NO ONE STEPS ON MY DREAMS THERE'LL BE DAYS LIKE THIS!

When people understand what I mean there'll be days like this!

WHEN YOU RING OUT THE CHANGES OF HOW EVERYTHING IS!

Well my mama told me there'll be days like this!


Oh my mama told me
There'll be days like this!

Oh my mama told me
There'll be days like this!

Oh my mama told me
There'll be days like this!

Oh my mama told me
There'll be days like this.....

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What's truly sad
Posted by: spencerh on Sep 2, 2009 1:27 PM   
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Is that they use many of these great ideas, words, symbols and people to protest "government tyranny" without realizing that they are defending privatized, corporate tyranny.

Naivete and brainwashing are dangerous things. Symbols of freedom and resistance become the imagery of tyranny and despotism.

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UNITE OR DIE
Posted by: nikolai on Sep 2, 2009 1:32 PM   
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Says it all. We are intentionally kept divided; by setting us against one another the elite can keep us from looking their way. They can and will stay in power while they watch us squabble and kill one another from their ivory towers. They are united, WE ARE NOT.

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This is interesting, and disheartening
Posted by: Beck on Sep 2, 2009 1:38 PM   
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Americans United for Separation of Church and State today denounced the violent rhetoric of an Arizona preacher who is praying for the death of President Barack Obama and called on Religious Right leaders to repudiate such extremism.

The Rev. Steven Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church told his Tempe, Ariz., congregation he prays that Obama “dies and goes to hell.” In an Aug. 16 sermon that recently came to public attention, Anderson said, “If you want to know how I’d like to see Obama die, I’d like him to die of natural causes. I don’t want him to be a martyr, we don't need another holiday. I'd like to see him die, like Ted Kennedy, of brain cancer.”

Anderson’s sermon took place just before an Obama visit to Arizona, and a member of the congregation showed up outside the Obama event in Phoenix carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Sep 2, 2009 2:17 PM   
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There is no justice in America anymore only punishment.

And it was the right wing that made it this way. They think that everyone else should follow the rules but not them. The good ole boys are going to get quite a wake up call if they think that those on the left or middle are going to roll over for them. I for one am fairly sick of the nonsense that is spewed from their mouths. Sometimes I think they are mentally challenged because it would be impossible for any lucid being to believe what they do.

Just remember we live in the same states as you and have access to the same firearms as you and maybe just maybe the reason you are having trouble buying your ammo is because we have already bought ours.

This is not, the passive at all costs left or middle, of your granddads era but one that will bite if necessary.

You need to start working with the rest of America or just get out of our way because this country needs a lot things changed to level the playing field for all Americans and not just the a..holes at the top or the corporations.

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grokagain
Posted by: grokagain on Sep 2, 2009 2:19 PM   
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mcarthur, the only civil war you'll be participating in is if EA sports puts it out for your x box.

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More prison rape humor from the "progressives."
Posted by: TailgunnerJoe on Sep 2, 2009 4:11 PM   
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You're disgusting. And to another poster, that's the proper use of you're. It's not your, you poor product of American public education.

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There....that takes care of that!
Posted by: Longdream on Sep 2, 2009 5:47 PM   
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*stomps the shit out of badly drawn snake*

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Why not do it state-by-state?
Posted by: l_m_n on Sep 2, 2009 5:59 PM   
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I keep hearing about all this secessionist talk and "Tenther" stuff, and I'm thinking, well, why not?

Why not allow states to opt-out of the various federal programs? I doubt any of them actually would, just like none of them had the balls to pass up the bailout money, though they put up a big fuss about the idea of the bailout money.

It'd be a funny position to put governors in. But I'd never push for it, because it would be a terrible position to put poor people in. It's just a fun thought experiment.

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Sovereign States
Posted by: Urgelt on Sep 2, 2009 6:20 PM   
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To be fair, the Civil War *was* about the limitations of Federal power. It was also about slavery, of course.

Secession wasn't illegal. Nothing in the Constitution of the US declared secession to be illegal; and under Common Law, a state which has the sovereign power to agree to a union has the power to withdraw from it - the Constitution is basically a treaty between former colonies who viewed themselves as sovereign entities.

It's a very good thing the Civil War ended as it did, though. Had the US splintered, it would likely have continued to splinter into even smaller fragments. This process is called Balkanization among political scientists, and the usual result is wars punctuated by uneasy peace.

Instead, the US has known virtually nothing of genuine war on its territory since the end of the Civil War - if you discount some gun-waving between Federal troops and Mormons, or the handful of hopeless clashes between Native Americans and Federal troops. That security is the product of Federal power, whatever else you may think of that power.

We managed to end slavery, too. That's not an inconsiderable accomplishment, even though we fell far short of granting full citizenship and equality to former slaves and their families.

Far short. But it was a first step in the right direction.

But it all came at a high price. The states have become progressively less sovereign and more constrained by an expanding web of Federal law and enforcement - a situation not envisioned at all by the Founding Fathers. Individual liberties have been in decline as well, as any libertarian will (loudly) tell you. 200 years ago, if the founding fathers had contemplated the notion that the government might one day dictate what a citizen could ingest and what he could not, they'd probably have laughed. It's no laughing matter now; our prisons are stuffed full of people who committed no crime other than to ingest something the government said they couldn't - or look like they might ingest it, or sell it to someone else who might ingest it.

The truth is that the perceived threat of secession had been a check on Federal power right up until the Civil War. Now that check is gone, and the federal government has been slowly, inexorably expanding its authority over the states and its citizens ever since. Periodically we look at something highly authoritarian our government has done and gasp, and raise the alarm; but every decade, the bar is a little higher, the alarms a little weaker.

Nixon burgled a rival political party's national offices, looking for dirt. He got shamed out of office.

Bush violated Federal law to eavesdrop on Americans wholesale. He got criticized... but in no sense treated as harshly as Nixon over a much lesser offense.

And it's still going on.

You don't have to be a right-wing zealot to recognize the danger in this trend. Authoritarianism is no joke, and it's a clear danger in this country.

Right-wing extremists, however, are not really concerned about authoritarianism per se. They care about *how* authoritarianism manifests. They like the idea of government using its powers to enforce morality. What they hate is social programs.

Make no mistake, it's the prospect of more social programs that has them up in arms. They only object to authoritarianism when it produces a result they don't like.

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We've been put bwt a rock and an burning place
Posted by: Changling on Sep 2, 2009 9:05 PM   
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With a two party system locked in to control and keep out all others we have two living dead parties run mostly by one group. And they are the ones Glenn Beck should be afraid of if he were a Progressive. But he is a Regressive as he has stated in so many words.

In a real open system both of the official parties would be burned out fringers at best or gone all together. Like the Whigs who if in the 1850's we had the same system in place would still be around and one of the two official parties. That is how badly corrupted and co-opted our system has become.

All it took was a dedicated group with the same idea in mind and huge loads of money and eager joiners will follow their lead to take over both parties. What you see in the colorful side in the Republican wing, is quiet and obsequious in the Democratic wing of it. The fire and the rock.

I am also pissed that they took the Rattlesnake flags that any one can use. But using the obvious Confederate and Nazi flags just wouldn't do right now. But then they wish to show their fealty to the past even as they move to eliminate it from the present. Smart and dangerous. Many people who are sincere go along because they are actual believers in their counterfeit version of history.

We are being manipulated into a position we don't want to be in. Any kind of trigger can bring out the cabal and Obama will be helping it along. As he is doing with Blackwater who "temporarily" will be back in occupied Iraq.

Also see where the financial behemoths can be made ever larger and totally on life support with our tax money while they rake in billions. We may starve on the street but they will be in their armored insulated penthouses safe from us.

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SAM3
Posted by: sam3 on Sep 2, 2009 9:08 PM   
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That freaking door swings both ways.

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I was there and I saw them
Posted by: AuntBec on Sep 2, 2009 9:43 PM   
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For my progressive friends out here, I was at a candle light vigil tonight for Ted Kennedy and for his vision of health care for every single person in this country. It looked to be a moving and inspiring moment, in good ol' San Antonio. But no, by the time we were set up and ready to go, quietly, with dignity, the "tea baggers" were there with their awful, race baiting signs and their true ignorance shown thru with their squawks and squeals, as opposed to having anything to "say".
I am not normally intimidated by ignorance, but I have to say that tonight, in front of the Alamo, with these non-thinking people, I was truly afraid things were going to get ugly. Our "tea baggers" cat called and snorted and shouted out to no one in particular, because we were totally ignoring them.
As a result of being ignored, one good ol' boy daddy, sent his two teen age sons, both holding enormous "Don't Tread On Me" flags into our crowd of people who were doing nothing more than telling their health care stories.
Every day I see more and more secede bumper stickers on trucks and cars. I wave and tell them goodbye. I want them to leave, and go back to whatever hole they were hiding in for the last eight years, for sure, and quite possibly the last 30.
One thing I now know for sure, they are delusional and dangerous, and it's no freakin' joke about the intimidation factor.

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the patriot anthem
Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous on Sep 2, 2009 10:11 PM   
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this land is my land, this land ain't your land
i've got a shotgun and you don't got one
if you don't get off, i'll blow your he-ead off
this land was made for me not you

ya gotta admit, it does seem to sum up their viewpoint.

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At the end of the day for my darling beloved fellow Alternet travellors!
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 2, 2009 11:40 PM   
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Craziest frigging thing happened here on sunday last!

You know, I talk about burning in Tarturas all the TIME!

Well, last sunday, quiet as it could be here at my apartment complex, and all of a sudden! This woman I've NEVER seen before comes tearing right under my apartment into and through the parking lot screaming her bloody head off and smacking at her hair as if on fire, pants falling down past her butt, screaming "help me! help me!"

OMG!

Well! I truly do believe dear friends the feds are all over my apartment complex! so many things took a turn after Aug. 16! So many strange comings and goings and what not!

So! lol.....all of a sudden everyone went into overdrive! They came flying out of these apartments, jumped into SUVS that have NEVER been here before, truly I spend most of my life right here by my big window overlooking the rest of the complex on the top floor, love it here...anyway out they fly, into SUVS and out after her, like a swarm of honey bees!

Weird!

Want to know where I came up with the word MAGGOT!

This proves God works in very mysterious ways!

I had to put out the garbage, it was hot, garbage sat outside my apartment door just a wee bit too long, took a bit more from the kitchen to put out with the rest before taking it down to the dumpster....uggggggg....ewwwwwww....I reached into the bag on my porch to put the new garbage into the big bag and I felt a bit of moisture on my wrist....and then I felt it SQUIRMING!

OMG! I RAN into the bathroom! I knew what it was!

MAGGOTS!

THERE! now you know!

HA!

I love all of you so so so much! You will always and forever be in my heart of hearts!

Night night dear ones! GREAT job! GREAT day!

Very well done!

Lights out!

See ya tomorrow, or in a couple of hours!

;D

XOXOXXOOXOXOXOXOXXOOXOXXXOXOXOOXXOOXOXOXXOOX

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clae shoes
Posted by: fenqing on Sep 3, 2009 3:13 AM   
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Adele M. Stan: Blistering Imbecile
Posted by: Tom Rowan on Sep 3, 2009 7:27 AM   
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You wacky commie libs are so much fun! Like a pack of raving mad barking dogs you finally have caught the street car you have so desired.

You own the United States government from top to bottom.

There is no law you cannot pass, no tax you cannot levy, and no insane experiment you cannot rope our society into.

Now what? Instead of governing the commie libs simply bully. Anyone opposed to their alternate worldview is considered almost criminally insane as Adele maps out.

Barack Obama is historic. He is the first president of the United States to have resigned from his racist moon bat church in disgrace. His church was not only rabidly anti-American, anti-Semitic, and anti-reason, it was a hate filled cauldron of anti-white, anti-western civilization, and anti-capitalism.

Barack Obama racist based Marxist Liberation Theology is repulsive to all but the most addle minded Americans.

In Barack Obama's warped vision of America dissent only comes from angry white racists.
No dissent is allowed to be considered rational, reasonable, logical or thoughtful.

The American experiment of self governance is exceptional. The recognition of God given freedoms is exceptional because tyranny has held sway over mankind since the dawn of time. The bloody trail of tyrants and misery is the history of mankind. America is special because we understand that once liberty is given up tyrants big & small refuse to give it back.

The alternate worldview of the commie lib is that there really is no God. Only the back woods bare foot heathens that make up the mobs of "angry white males" believe in the fairy tale of God and God's Creation. The commie lib is too smart for that. For decades the commie libs have tried to convince Americans that they are smarter than us because they are godless commie libs. Only small minded dupes believe in God after all.

And of course, it logically follows, if there is no God then there cannot be God given rights. Since we are not created by God then we cannot be born with rights given to us by God. Smarty pants thinkers like Adele Stan should decide what is right, fair, & just. And what rights you have. The godless commie lib believes, wrongly, that if we can just divorce society from God then we can divorce the citizen from his rights.

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Just to be sure tyrants everywhere got the hint, the framers of our Constitution added 10 more rights.

So when addle minded name calling commie libs come along like Adele I just have to laugh.

Notice the mocking tone taken when discussing our rights...(it is almost as if these crazy Americans think they have the right to bear arms!)

This is why Adele's ideas and candidates cannot succeed at the ballot box without voter fraud, ACORN, cheating recounts, armed Black Panther thugs, rent a mobs buses from precinct to precinct, crooked judges keeping polling places open after hours, and massive deception.

Tyrants are first and foremost cowardly bullies. Americans have been called worse by the nut case left in this country for decades.

Now, with all the power in the world, what do swarmy would be tyrants like Adele do? They call people names and slander them.

How is that hope & change working for you?

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Sep 3, 2009 8:24 AM   
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Ignorance should never be worn as a badge like so many right wingers do. Once upon a time ignorance was something to hide and to be ashamed of rather than something to accessorize your outfit with. Thanks to the right wingers persistence it is almost truly tolerated as something that will appear every now and then.

Now I like the combination of ignorance and camouflage as much as the next guy but don't you feel that this style is becoming dated and to wide spread to really make an individual shine.

My suggestion is to lose the ignorance and keep the camo. This way you guys would know what it is you are talking about instead of just regurgitating TV and Radio pundits. Also with the camo you will be much harder to see in public.

Try taking your intelligence out of the closet, dusting it off, and you will feel much better about yourself once you have.

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OH! Darling Friends! Here's a GRAND one to take to the STREETS!
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 3, 2009 10:34 AM   
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LOL! This GREAT one I learned in GRADE SCHOOL!

Writer(s): cahn/van heusen

Next time your found, with your chin on the ground
There's a lot to be learned, so look around!

Just what makes that little old ant
Think hell move that rubber tree plant?
Anyone knows an ant, CAN'T
Move a rubber tree plant!

But hes got high hopes, hes got high hopes!
Hes got high apple pie, in the sky hopes!

So any time your gettin low,
stead of lettin' go!
Just remember that ant!
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant!

When troubles call, and your backs to the wall
There's a lot to be learned, that wall could fall!

Once there was a silly old ram!
Thought hed punch a hole in a dam!
No one could make that ram, scram!
He kept buttin that dam!

Cause he had high hopes, he had high hopes!
He had high apple pie, in the sky hopes!

So any time your feelin' bad
stead of feelin sad!
Just remember that ram!
Oops there goes a billion kilowatt dam!

All problems just a toy balloon!
They'll be bursted soon!
They're just bound to go pop!
Oops there goes another problem KERPLOP!


Do you love it or what!

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