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Pathetic Right-Wing Lunatic Pens Op-Ed Pondering Kennedy's Future in Hell

By Kevin Tillman, AlterNet. Posted August 28, 2009.


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I'm on some truly bottom-feeding right-wing email lists.

Today, a conservative publicist is pushing an op-ed by some truly execrable lunatic. This person wants attention and I don't want to offer it, so I'm not going to name the writer. I post it solely so readers understand the depth of depravity to which some people will stoop to score a cheap political hit.

Here's what I had to deal with over my Liberal Latté® this AM:

Did Ted Kennedy Go To Heaven?

Then some standard publicist nonsense that paints the picture of a dedicate culture warrior and no-nothing "expert":

[Classy Right-Winger] was the first Damage Control and Crisis Management Expert in the country, as stated by Barbara Walters on the show, "20/20". [Classy Right-Winger] is also a political consultant and a frequent on-air contributor who has opined on FOX, CNN, MSNBC and all major TV networks. Some of the issues she has been called to speak to are The Dangers of Radical Islam, Gay Marriage, Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, The Well-Masked Cult of Mormonism (she is an expert on Mormonism), Media bias, All Things Political, The Imaging-Posturing-Positioning of Presidential Candidates, All Things Regarding Hollywood, Ethics In The Media, The Culture Wars and more.

Now there's someone with whom you'd like to have a beer, right?

August 28th, 2009 Op-ed offering. Word count: 1,000. Permission to publish (please let us know). Edit to fit.

Did Ted Kennedy Go To Heaven?

By: [Classy Right-Winger]

While the nation watched the funeral procession of the late Ted Kennedy, the press gave a great amount of air time on the proceedings. However, I very much doubt that Ted is as concerned as the nation is with the human ceremonies of his passing.

You see, according to the belief system he claimed as his own, and the explicit words of the person he professed to accept as the Son of God in human flesh, Ted is either in Heaven or in Hell right now. He is either in the arms of the loving Father-God in whom he claimed to place his faith, or is in the worst place imaginable, called Hell, for an eternity. This is not merely my own spin. It is at the core of the world view that Ted Kennedy believed his entire life -- unless he was just pretending.

So while Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Chris Dodd use Ted's passing to support for the Healthcare reform bill, Teddy may very well be singing a different tune.

You're probably thinking to yourself: 'OK, a jazz standard in Greater Wingnuttia. But where are the egregious lies we've come to expect from such a screed?

Senator Kennedy initially ran for office as a Catholic pro-lifer. Once he was placed into office, he changed his position to become a pro-abortion activist. Ted was one of the most relentless advocates for abortion on demand, funded by taxpayers whether they liked it or not -- whether they believed it was murder or not.


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Kennedy made his hell on earth.....
Posted by: progressive-life on Aug 28, 2009 1:24 PM   
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he has no place else to go but up!

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» RE: Mr. Beak! Posted by: Longdream
» Union! Posted by: pelican beak
The Left Won't be Saying Similar Things When Bush Dies?
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Aug 28, 2009 2:14 PM   
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Admittedly Bush is far worse than Kennedy. Even if Kennedy was responsible for that girl's death Bush has the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hands.

To be shocked and appalled at this kind of post by some right wing writer is to be blind to how the left will react when some Republicans like Bush or Cheney finally kick the bucket.

Either such writing is shocking and appalling all around or its not.

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» P.S. I wasn't complaining Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» In this case ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
ah, well...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Aug 28, 2009 2:54 PM   
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if the right wing fundies are the ones going to "heaven" ted wouldn't want to go there anyway...

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» RE: ah, well... Posted by: willymack
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Kennedy
Posted by: Brent H on Aug 28, 2009 9:46 PM   
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We hope that there will be another Ted Kennedy like in the senate. Everybody will die no matter what. Good for Ted Kennedy that he made a good name and reputation before leaving. However, Dominick Dunne will loom large after his recent passing. Dominick Dunne had been battling bladder cancer since September of 2008, and recently succumbed to the disease. He was a titan of investigative journalism, and covered high profile trials largely of the rich and famous, covering the trials of OJ Simpson (the first and second), Claus von Bulow, and the Menendez brothers. He had three children, Alexander Dunne, actor Griffin Dunne, and Dominique Dunne, who was brutally murdered by her ex-boyfriend, John Michael Sweeney. His brother was John Michael Dunne, a great author and journalist in his own right. It would take some serious Dominick Dunne to replace a talent like Dominick Dunne – may he rest in peace.

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nothing like rewriting the ten commandments...
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 29, 2009 2:32 AM   
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There is a rather significant difference between "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not murder".

Being responsible for someone's death through recklessness (and we can never be sure of the exact circumstances) is not the same as intending to kill them.

This is what we get when we don't teach schoolkids ethics and logical thinking.

And, by the way, if Christianity is about following the examples Jesus set, then only s/he who is without sin should be casting stones.

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» Wisdom... Posted by: zigy
Sure Kennedy is in Hell, right next to Ronald Reagan,
Posted by: drfun on Aug 29, 2009 2:52 AM   
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Richard Nixon and they are waiting for Bu$h I, Bu$h II, and Dick Cheney.

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offer shmoffer
Posted by: geometeer on Aug 29, 2009 4:37 AM   
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"This person wants attention and I don't want to offer it, so I'm not going to name the writer," but you gave it, in the form of a minor challenge: it took me about two clicks with Did Ted Kennedy Go to Heaven pasted in the search box, to find the with-names version.

On the internet, you can omit but you can't hide.

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» RE: offer shmoffer Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: offer shmoffer Posted by: NickJones
» RE: offer shmoffer Posted by: Joshua Holland
Kennedy is worm food . . . .
Posted by: leland61 on Aug 29, 2009 5:40 AM   
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That is not a bad thing. Worm food is the ultimate destination of every living thing including the worms themselves.

OK!! He probably isn't worm food because he is buried in a sealed metal coffin in a concrete crypt. He should be worm food and we should stop depriving worms of their rightful inheritance - us.

Since there is no heaven or hell, worm food is as good as it gets. We get to be recycled!! How green is that?

Since there is no imaginary big daddy in the sky who has all the lovely characteristics of a demented Santa with a really bad case of indigestion and hemorrhoids and a disposition to go with it, no one need worry about what comes next. What comes next is. . . . . nothing!! Nothing at all!!!

Not to worry. This is the only world we have and Mr. Kennedy, only human, did a good many things to make it a better place - unlike many of those who wish him in that imaginary place called hell. They should STFU and do something to make this, the only world we have, a better place.

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» RE: Kennedy is worm food . . . . Posted by: peacefullaim1
» RE: Kennedy is worm food . . . . Posted by: Archie1954
Everyone is going to Hell according to one religion or another
Posted by: Tim V on Aug 29, 2009 5:47 AM   
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that includes the "pathetic lunatic" (QUOTATION MARKS DELIBERATE) and her publicist. - She's going to Hell according to fundamentalist Islam, for example.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I recall reading that, according to the Catholic religion, it's not 100% certain that even Judas is burning in Hell. - There is a possiblity that God is using Hell as a threat that he won't carry out.

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I try to be respectful of people of faith...
Posted by: J. Bo on Aug 29, 2009 5:49 AM   
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...but we're in how-many-angels-can-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin territory here. It's simply immaterial to rational discussion.

Ted Kennedy was a deeply doomed, deeply flawed, deeply devoted, deeply compassionate human being... and perhaps the best legislator we've seen in the history of that branch of federal government.

I don't give a rat's ass what his personal religious beliefs were or weren't; I DO, however, care enormously that he spent his career fighting like hell for those less fortunate than himself... and for that alone, I mourn his death and will miss him very much.

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» Thanks... Posted by: J. Bo
A Great Man
Posted by: NMDreamer on Aug 29, 2009 6:51 AM   
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In thousands of ways large and small, Senator Kennedy atoned for his sins. We may never collectively know the good he did for many individuals. His kindness and thoughtfulness were private acts.

As a practicing Roman Catholic, the senator undoubtedly believed in atonement and forgiveness of sins, a major tenet of his faith. In my catechism class days, I was taught that if you received absolution before death, you would go to heaven.

We are immeasurably poorer as a nation for having lost this great man, who gave voice to people who had no one else to speak for them and whose voices were willfully silenced by those in power -- people of color, women, the poor.

It is likely that every single person throwing stones at the senator's memory has also sinned. No one among us -- the flawed family of humans -- is without sin. No one.

I pray for the senator, and I pray for all of us.

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Al Kammerer
Posted by: alkamm on Aug 29, 2009 9:28 AM   
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The right wing, Bible thumpers that they have become, show they cannot read the intent of the stories therein. The Bible attempts to show how people who have made many mistakes can find redemption. The Bible says that those who work to help the poor, the imprisoned--those the right wing like to call losers--are the people who are inspired by the Bible to help others in need. The words are not easily denied, but the right wing make it look easy! Those without sin, cast the first stone. Suffer the little children. When we make fun of the right wing for their mean spirited celebration of greed and insensitivity, we are not making fun of them or wishing them ill in the same spirit as they focus on the sins of Ted Kennedy or others they disagree with. Their scorn is focused only on those they disagree with. If their own "heroes" stray from their moral compass, they are silent.
Kennedy could be compared to Solomon and other leaders whose lives show we can all turn ourselves around after youthful excesses. The Bible isn't a litany of stories about the goody two shoes of the world, but the deeply flawed by redeemable characters we can look to as inspiration rather than to focus own petty judgement.

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I've got news for all you vacuum-heads trying to make Bush's death some kind of point.
Posted by: Longdream on Aug 29, 2009 10:42 AM   
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Bush is already dead.

He's on a cul-de-sac in a Texas backwater, and you haven't seen or heard his name in the present tense since he left the White House.

The closest I've come to seeing something about a Bush is getting a hilarious flyer for a motivational seminar that features Laura, Colin Powell, and a host of helmet-heads that would like to tell me how to succeed. My thought was that they should have qualified their list a lot better if they've got me on it.

Nobody is going to dance on the Wanker's grave, because nobody will notice when he dies.

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According to the Padre at this morning's -----
Posted by: symcokid on Aug 29, 2009 11:29 AM   
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church services this morning they reqested and received special dispensation from the Pope to jettison 'the old workhorse stud' off to the "Heavenly Congress" in the sky with no stopovers in purgatory or anything of a like manner.

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RFrancis and Dan Riehl
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Aug 29, 2009 11:30 AM   
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RFrancis writes: "To be shocked and appalled at this kind of post by some right wing writer is to be blind to how the left will react when some Republicans like Bush or Cheney finally kick the bucket."

Which reminds me of how Roy Edroso responded to the same argument made by conservative blogger Dan Riehl:

"SHORTER RIEHL WORLD VIEW: Liberals bitch about our hate-screams at dead Kennedy, but the reaction I fantasize they will have to the future death of Dick Cheney proves them hypocrites."

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The wingnuts just get worse and worse
Posted by: bettyn on Aug 29, 2009 3:23 PM   
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every day. My grandmother always told me that speaking ill of the dead was the quickest ticket to hell you could get! In this asshole's case I hope she was right!

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Why is it
Posted by: willymack on Aug 29, 2009 8:31 PM   
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That for the last seven plus months so many creepy crawlers have emerged from the woodwork and from underneath rocks?
Could it be that we elected a man of color in a (relatively) fair election, and by a landslide?
Could it be that, unlike his predecesor this President is a truly educated, polished, dignified, and urbane gentleman instead of a crude vulgarian with absolutely no redeeming values, and totally unfit for his office?
Could it be that this new President represents the good in our people and positive CHANGE?
Could it be that the Great Unwashed actually FEAR change, even change for the better? It certainly seems that way to me.

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» RE: Why is it Posted by: andrushka
The main challenge to the First Amendment
Posted by: goodsensecynic on Aug 29, 2009 8:46 PM   
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For some time now, I have fought (respectfully) with friends in the United States who are beside themselves (a very unpleasant location, I'm told) with fury at the likes of FOX news, "birthers," and "pro-life" killers.

They say that they want to "ban" such extremists, especially when they appear in the broadcast media.

My defence of everyone from Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs has nothing to do with agreement with their lies, their rants and their evil intentions. It has everything to do with the First Amendment which, when breached, leaves all Americans in peril.

Someone (Voltaire?) said something about our faith in liberty being tested best when we hear the most vile, offensive and dangerous speech, and that our values are redeemed only when we give to those whose ideas are hateful the liberty that they, in power, would deny to us.

This is sound counsel, but the temptation to lash out is strong. As my religious friends would say: "Get thee behind me, Satan!" Or Bill O'Reilley, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, innumerable "creationist" evangelical "Christians", assorted war-mongers and all the others whose liberty I will continue to defend, but whose opinions (biases, prejudices, bigotries - call them what you will) are beginning to challenge my principles.

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» Your friends are not the norm Posted by: Joshua Holland
Who...
Posted by: mainspark on Aug 30, 2009 5:41 AM   
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...is Tricia Erickson?

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I cannot say
Posted by: JefffromCA on Aug 30, 2009 11:10 AM   
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because I do not suffer from the god delusion.

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For what it's worth - "I and Love and You"
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 30, 2009 6:40 PM   
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"I and Love and You"


Load the car and write the note.
Grab your bag and grab your coat.
Tell the ones that need to know.
We are headed north.

One foot in and one foot back.
But it don’t pay to live like that.
So I cut the ties and I jumped the track.
For never to return.

Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.
Are you aware the shape I’m in?
My hands they shake, my head it spins.
Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.

When at first I learned to speak.
I used all my words to fight.
With him and her and you and me.
Ahh, but it's just a waste of time.
Yeah it’s such a waste of time.

That woman she’s got eyes that shine.
Like a pair of stolen polished dimes.
She asked to dance I said it’s fine.
I’ll see you in the morning time.
Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.
Are you aware the shape I’m in?
My hands they shake, my head it spins.
Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.

Three words that became hard to say.
I and Love and You.
What you were than I am today.
Look at the things I do.

Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.
Are you aware the shape I’m in?
My hands they shake, my head it spins.
Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.

Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.
Are you aware the shape I’m in?
My hands they shake, my head it spins.
Ahh Brooklyn, Brooklyn take me in.

Dumbed down and numbed by time and age.
You’re dreams that catch the world the cage.
The highway sets the travelers stage.
All exits look the same.

Three words that became hard to say.
I and Love and You.
I and Love and You.
I and Love and You.


Three words that became hard to say...

I and Love and You.....................

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According to Kennedy's own belief system, he's probably in Purgatory
Posted by: Jasonix on Aug 31, 2009 10:25 AM   
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If the radical evangelical right weren't trying to make nice with Catholic Traditionalists so they can work together to elect Sarah Palin, they'd note that Catholics and evangelicals DON'T believe the same thing about the Afterlife. According to Ted Kennedy's professed belief system, it is NOT "either Heaven or Hell" right after death. It's probably Purgatory, a place where virtually every Catholic goes to atone for his sins before he's a perfect saint.

They'd also notice that traditionalist Catholics are flooding YouTube, Wikipedia, and other outlets with "Catholic apologetics" that say their Church is the only true one and all evangelicals will burn in Hell - unless an all-loving God decides that they were just too stupid to grok the grand truth of Catholicism.

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caronome
Posted by: Bayardtom on Sep 1, 2009 10:02 PM   
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Lets be careful how we judge other people. When we wish negative things for other people, they have a way of coming back on us.

As far as Ted Kennedy is concerned, he was a giant in Congress and was resonsible for many, many really good laws and bills, mostly for the good of less fortunate people than he. That was his calling and he was considerate and kind to everyone he met. It will be a long time before there is another such man in the Senate.

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one persons vision of heaven is anothers vision of hell...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 2, 2009 12:45 AM   
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... and vice a versa!

what a freak show organized religion is becoming and i concider myself a god fearing man.

The Baker and Swaggert revelations
should have taught us to recognise the wolves in sheeps clothings tending there flocks
but they only gained more supporters and the fund-a-mental-ist cause is once more, booming...

Personally...
I would concider it a Hell where most religious leaders
and their talking heads congregate in my afterlife.

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But There is a Real Point in There
Posted by: Red State Gal on Sep 2, 2009 11:27 PM   
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I can't say I approved of this essay asking whether Kennedy is in heaven or hell--I think that's between God and Kennedy.

But buried in there is a real point: Kennedy professed to be a Catholic, but on the issues where the Catholic Church has fought the hardest, Kennedy did not stand with his own religious principles. That really does make me wonder about the man. I'll let the Catholics debate where he is now.

Red State Gal
RedStateFeminists

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