Political Fireworks Over Torture Prosecutor: Report Reveals Threats to Kill Children, CIA Director in 'Screaming Match'

Please please let Panetta go NOW!

There is something seriously wrong here!

PLEASE BE CAREFUL DEAR DARLING MR. PRESIDENT!!!

This is wrong, wrong, wrong!

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If Panetta went on a tirade about protecting those who broke the law more that all the others who also broke the law, he should be fired. He is an accessory to the crimes and should be held accountable (As we would be if we knew a crime had been committed and tried to protect the ones who did the crime). Why should the rules be different for these people? This business of I was just following orders is b.s. My Lai is a great example. Calley still states he was following orders to slaughter an entire village--Where was his moral compass? He had none, but thankfully a helicoptor pilot did and put a stop to his insanity. All these sadist(And that's what they are) were given a green light by Bush and Cheney need to be charged and brought into the light of day. There were many who refused to "follow orders" as they knew the orders were wrong and it was wrong to commit torture. The CIA has been a rogue agency for decades; a personal gun for hire by the WH and it needs to be dismantled. Fire Panetta. Charge all who committed torture. All this talk about bringing charges and opening an investigation will result in some small fry (Maybe) being charged as in Abu Ghraib, but no one higher up. This went all the way up to the WH, but we must "look forward" in oeder for more atrocities to be committed in the name of democracy and security.

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It makes me extremely happy to see these CIA pansy-operatives and the big boys wetting their pants over possible interrogations and legal charges over their fiefdoms and atrocities. It's about time.
So, poor pansy-Panetta wants to resign. And??? Your point is? Don't let the door hit you....
Dakotahgeo

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AskDOJ@usdoj.gov

Here's my e-mail:

"The Bush administration "enhanced interrogation" policies were illegal from the get go. Those who subverted American and international law under the dubious guise of "unitary executive theory" need to be repudiated and held accountable.

Thank you,"

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And I've been recommending this for years but now I get it. Both sides need the CIA to stage their "America is winning the war on terror" vs "America is torturing innocents" shows. Pour it on top of a dysfunctional public and voila ! The CIA is America's "best friend" even if the rest of the world finds it to be their worst enemy. If Obama really means "change you can believe in", he'd have the balls and brains to push for abolishing the CIA. But I'll keep my bets on that pigs will fly first before that ever happens !

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We KNOW that if the Republican Party took over from 8 years of Democratic Corruption, they would not STOP until every last one of them was CHARGED, JAILED and RESTITUTIONS made! Each one of those Democrats, would be BROKE and on Welfare by the time the Republicans got through with them!

Remember, when Bill & Hillary left the White House they were BROKE, in legal fees spilling out of every hole in their bodies! Yet, Cheney and Bush leave Multi-BILLIONAIRES, and NO LEGAL issues following them! Makes you want to PUKE all over Obama and Holder!

Do we need to mention, the money they wasted on Bill Clinton to PROVE women was HOUNDING him down, and he finally gave in to Monica? Heck, they wasted MORE MONEY INVESTIGATING Bill's blow job, than they did on the Committee for 9/11!

This is what has me sooooo PISSED OFF with Obama and Holder!

I know there is much work to be done to clean up 8 years of corruption in the Bush White House, but damn it, Obama can work on the mess, all while Holder is getting his Dept. together to LEAP, with ALL FOURS, to bring the Bush Admin. to JUSTICE! NO WAY SHOULD THEY GET AWAY WITH THE LIES, HARM, DEVASTATION, GRAND THIEF, MURDER, MAIMING, & the ECONOMIC MELTDOWN of our country! NO FREAKING WAY!

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"... I followed up Simpson's article about Holder's ties to the RNC via Covington and Burling LLC, his employer during the last eight years. Holder reportedly received some $2 million in compensation from C&B during his tenure, which coincided with a number of high-profile cases against the Bush administration.

On its website, the company boasts more than a few such cases, in which it worked for Bush et al. In nearly every one, and while Holder was happily a partner in the firm, C&B defended GOP operatives --and also the financial industry and Big Pharma. These, of course, are all the very players responsible for the immense corruption of the US public sphere.

Check out the litany of litigation that C&B has been involved in, mostly on the RNC side. Remember, these are the company's own proud claims.

Must we, then, still wonder why Eric Holder is a no-show on GOP election-rigging and selective prosecutions?"

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This is what happens when the loons are in charge. For some crazy reason leftwing nuts believe that the CIA can just hand out candy and flowers and send birthday cards to terrorists to win their cooperation...

It would be so much fun watching the democrats "eating their young" and "self destructing" if it weren't destroying our nation. Lets hope we can last another 3 years until we get these nuts out!

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I think the real thing to look at is the fact that the prosecutor has been working on the tapes since 2005. We STILL have no real results from that. Would these findings come out well after any statute of limitations has run out? That would mean everyone would go unpunished despite being found guilty unless some kind of 'war crimes' prosecutions were enforced. IF that were the case, i'd be willing to bet that those involved would claim that the "war on terror" was not an official war at all and did not apply.

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And you thought the only thing George W. Bush had been torturing all of those years was the English language!

Let the investigations begin and the chips fall where they may.

Sure, they got a lot of information via torture - such as Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. They could have gotten a hell of a lot more useful info by means of traditional, tried and true interrogation methods. The ultimate irony is the fact that not one person in that disgusting administration was smart enough to figure this out. Assholes.

Hush! Hush! Sweet Sarah!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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People who have been following the Obama administration should already know that the purpose of this "investigation" is to elevate Obama's arbitrary no-prosecution policy to that of a policy arrived at after "investigation," and to give people who would rather cling to hope than face reality a prop for their fantasies of being citizens of a republic as opposed to subjects of a tyrant plutocracy. There will, of course, be no prosecutions. Panetta's rage is just part of the fake narrative. He and Obama both should be imprisoned for the rest of their lives for the obstructions of justice they have already perpetrated.

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Fair & speedy trials are the way to determine guilt, not being turned over to the CIA or military by warlords for rewards!!!

Those who committed torture under our flag must be punished severely!!!

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cuss all you want, karma will prevail one way or another. may as well embrace the truth.

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We all want most of the Bush Administration in jail. Juan Cole (Informed Comment) has an interesting piece in his column today. His point being that our laws are written in such a way that prosecuting is difficult. Proving guilt is almost impossible. Now if the men in question were headed for the Hague, they would be terrifed. They run things diffently. But here in the U.S. prosecution is tough. I'm encouraged by the fact that they're willing to take it on. One thing will lead to another and I believe it'll be worth it. ANNA

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I am hoping that Prosecutor Durham will be a fair and thorough prosecutor. But remember, he was in the Justice Dept during the Bush years, and the Bush administration DIDN'T fire him. That must say a lot about his politics, I am sad to say.

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I will bet anyone any amount that within forty-eight hours, that's the nick name the bloviators will give the new special prosecutor!

Whaddaya say - any takers?

Cheers!

Tom Degan

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During any investigation no matter how narrow, further information will come forth on other crimes and egregious conduct as the individuals under the spotlight attempt to protect themselves by implicating others including higher ups. That information, then can lead to further investigation and perhaps new prosecutions.

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The things that are the most dangerous are probably the ones we are being distracted from.

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He was in bush II's cabinet too -- an appeaser.

Obama has done a REALLY ROTTEN job with the major cabinet appointments; republicans, appeasers or "part of the problem not the solution" characters for most of the important posts.

Even though I knew he was a corporate tool, I didn't think he was THIS co-opted by the forces of EVIL...

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When JFK took office one of the first things he was presented with by the Eisenhower regime was the eminent plans for the Cuban exiles in Florida to invade Cuba and demands for his new government to back them up. He agreed to look aside as the few renegades went ahead with their plans but refused to back them up if they were unsuccessful which it was clear to all that would be.

When the hopelessly unprepared few were landed in a swamp on the SW of Cuba and were quickly taken into custody by the Cubans a public demand for a "retaliatory" US invasion came from the CIA, forcing JFK to publicly refuse and take the expected political heat for it from the right, which was massive and relentless.

He instantly knew that he has been back stabbed and was quoted as saying: "I'm going to cut the CIA into so many pieces that no one will ever be able to put it together again."

For starters he then fired the top three CIA executives. Unfortunately he did not fire George Bush senior, the covert CIA agent that put the operation together and that which had as its only purpose either the takeover of Cuba if JFK backed down from him and invaded Cuba or the political sinking of the even then hated JFK. Either outcome would have pleased him and his like.

Some few years later Nixon was quoted as having said (as then president) "George Bush is the one man the Republican party cannot get along without as HE WILL DO ANYTHING for us."
those who quoted him also stated that the above emphasis was exactly as stated.

JFK then steamrollered right through the Cuban Bay Of Pigs event in his characteristically courageous fashion and came out even stronger not just here in the USA but worldwide and and even more so amongst the Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East where he was greatly respected for his even handed treatment of Jews flooding into Palestine.

He then carried on with the peoples business by informing the Jews in Palestine that he had observed their building of an atomic bomb factory in Dimona, and that he was not going to permit them to complete it. No one doubted his intention to do just that but he was not allowed to carry out that plan, nor was it ever mentioned again by his successors even to this day.

When soon after he made a campaign stop in Dallas he was "back-stabbed" again and by the same actors. Again Bush I directed it with the help of another one of those CIA monsters that he had terminated for his part in the Cuban "invasion" fiasco WHO WAS THE ONE THAT AT THE LAST MOMENT CHANGED THE PARADE ROUTE TO GO THROUGH THE DEALY PLAZA OPEN AREA AT THE LAST MOMENT WHERE HE WAS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY THOSE CIA PATRIOT/HEROES TO BE BLOWN TO BITS BEFORE THE ENTIRE WORLD.

One of those heroes has a son who now lives in virtual house arrest in Dallas because of the world wide hatred of him. The political right still reveres him for some reason and will even likely move enough money around to elect his brother into office as his president in the near future.

Nixon was seen boarding a plane out of Dallas as the last hurrah of JFK got underway.

Voting got us into this mess and will clearly not get us out - at least as long as we accept rule by a chief executive which simply makes a mockery out of the idea of democracy.

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It's just another staged show to pretend he's doing something about it. In the meantime, Obama's escalating in Afghanistan and has repeatedly attacked Pakistan. The prosecutor - appointed by Holder, not Obama - will be on a short leash: no investigations of the real criminals, the ones at the top, the ones who gave the orders, fashioned the legal excuses. Whether Obama is incompetent is totally irrelevant. First you have to decide what it was a person really wanted, before you can decide how far short of his goal he fell. Like Bush, Obama is getting what he really wants: huge bailouts and no accountability for the banks, guaranteed profits for big 'health care' and pharma corporations, a continuing bloated military, cover for Bush-Cheney and associates, continued extra-Constitutional powers for the executive... He is only seen as incompetent and/or compromising too much with Republicans by those who still think he is a progressive. This is yet another reason why I have no intention of returning to the Democratic Party even for voting a dog catcher.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianna_Ortiz

"The policeman raped me again. Then I was lowered into a pit full of bodies— bodies of children, men, and women, some decapitated, all caked with blood. A few were still alive. I could hear them moaning. Someone was weeping. I didn’t know if it was me or somebody else. A stench of decay rose from the pit. Rats swarmed over the bodies and were dropped onto me as I hung suspended over the pit by the wrists. I passed out and when I came to I was lying on the ground beside the pit, rats all over me."

As I posted in reply to GuitarBill above this has been going on for DECADES. The CIA is EVIL, it is CORRUPT, and it MUST BE DISMANTLED!

END THE AMERICAN EMPIRE

AND

END THE FEDERAL RESERVE

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I apologise for the vulgarity, but zeros like Panetta seem to bring out the worst in me.
Obama must have had his head in the sand (or worse) when he decided to retain Panetta's "services".
The REAL issue at hand is the criminal bush regime, and whether we're going to do right by our people by going after them.

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Let us face a certain reality - Torture of any suspected terrorist after 9/11, by any means and even if it meant death and illegally acting against our Constitution and international human rights agreements - was ok with most Americans. They wanted massive, obscene revenge for anyone who would kill innocent Americans and others in the USA from the 9/11 attacks. GWB, Cheney, and others in that administration, in deep trouble for not preventing 9/11, went over the top and believing that they had carte blanch to go after terrorists, did so including the use of torture, renditions and using the most wacked out supporters to do so.
For President Obama and his administration, they know that they can't go after GWB, Cheney and others for torture. They know if they try to reverse such a policy or go after those that ordered it or did it, it would tick off many independent and moderate voters. That is why we will get a bunch of phony investigations, to make it look like something is being done.

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There is another way to look at the investigation and that is once started it should be impossible to stop. From the administrations point of view they are not on a witch hunt, just a small investigation!!!
But once the investigation establishes the criminality which it seems it will be impossible not to do so the flood gates shall open.
"I was only following orders" shall be quoted with frightening repetition. Whose orders? Thus the charges shall eventually have to go to the originator. It shall be interesting

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This is not the only situation that should be subjected to a transparent and undeniable "Truth and Reconciliation Committee" that would look at foreign and domestic affairs for the past 60 years, about the time right after WWII.

In order not to repeat this cycle of gross errors, we need to have the actual truth of what President Eisenhower in his '61 farewell address, referred to as "the Military-Industrial Complex". Let us look at everything unless it would immediately impact the security of the United States, but most of it concerns what happened last century leading up to current mistakes. Perhaps Mr. Limbaugh would like a seat on this would-be esteemed committee.

A person earlier brought up Lt. Calley and after all these years, am still curious to know why nothing is said about how the bodies were posed in a sordid manner. It is the absurdity of mankind that needs to be examined. Finding these answers and doing something about it would be an “evolutionary” progression.

It has been said that the "Truth shall set you free"; first let us take the truth, reflect on it (prosecution for "going astray" will be up to the people in a democratic vote), learn and become a better nation for it.

This start would be a "grand entrance" into the 21st Century and beyond…

Continued excellent work to the people at Alternet and hopefully, people one day will react with curiosity, a sense of reflection, learning and implement change for the betterment of all humankind; people, the clock is ticking...

All the best,
iRa
Tampa, FL

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Reply 2 - Posted by: veritas, 8/29/2009 7:19:17 PM (No. 5817210)

1. Shoving isn't torture. Slapping isn't torture. Sleep deprivation isn't torture. Waterboarding isn't torture. And so on.

2. KSM masterminded the butchering of nearly 3,000 innocent people simply because they weren't like him.

3. IIRC, only three -- three! -- detainees were waterboarded.

So -- do we have some kind of major perspective problem going on here? KSM set up 9/11, and only he and 2 others were waterboarded, and it's set off all this idiotic over-gush of phony "torture" claims, hearings, investigations, articles, editorials, and so on. Oh, not to mention all the hate fomented by our enemies thanks to the dupes here only too glad to supply the tinder!

Too bad we can't parade the people so eager to show the US as evil past several hundred burned 9/11 corpses, past a number of the smashed, unrecognizable bodies of those who jumped rather than burn, while they listen to tapes of last cell-calls to family and 911 emergency chatter....

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To Stop Them We Must Prosecute Them. Start with Bush & Cheney. The only effective way we the voters can stop this from happening is to fight for Prosecution of all of those in public office who violate Federal Laws (especially Torture ) and abuse our Constitution and rights.

Prosecute all those that tortured in our name, then go after all the other violations of Federal Crimes and our Constitution committed by Bush and Cheney.



KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS

"WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?"
If they aren't actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws,
They ARE Supporting Torture.

SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
and prosecution for all those leaders
in Bush's Administration that
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Only Prosecution Stops Torture!
Only Prosecution Stops Violations of Our Constitution and Rule Of Law.

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