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Is It Now a Crime to Be Poor?

If you're living on the streets, engaging in the biological necessities of life -- like sitting, sleeping, lying down or loitering -- will get you in jail.
August 19, 2009  |  
 
 
 
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It's too bad so many people are falling into poverty at a time when it’s almost illegal to be poor. You won’t be arrested for shopping in a Dollar Store, but if you are truly, deeply, in-the-streets poor, you’re well advised not to engage in any of the biological necessities of life — like sitting, sleeping, lying down or loitering. City officials boast that there is nothing discriminatory about the ordinances that afflict the destitute, most of which go back to the dawn of gentrification in the ’80s and ’90s. “If you’re lying on a sidewalk, whether you’re homeless or a millionaire, you’re in violation of the ordinance,” a city attorney in St. Petersburg, Fla., said in June, echoing Anatole France’s immortal observation that “the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges.”

In defiance of all reason and compassion, the criminalization of poverty has actually been intensifying as the recession generates ever more poverty. So concludes a new study from the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty, which found that the number of ordinances against the publicly poor has been rising since 2006, along with ticketing and arrests for more “neutral” infractions like jaywalking, littering or carrying an open container of alcohol.

The report lists America’s 10 “meanest” cities — the largest of which are Honolulu, Los Angeles and San Francisco — but new contestants are springing up every day. The City Council in Grand Junction, Colo., has been considering a ban on begging, and at the end of June, Tempe, Ariz., carried out a four-day crackdown on the indigent. How do you know when someone is indigent? As a Las Vegas statute puts it, “An indigent person is a person whom a reasonable ordinary person would believe to be entitled to apply for or receive” public assistance.

That could be me before the blow-drying and eyeliner, and it’s definitely Al Szekely at any time of day. A grizzled 62-year-old, he inhabits a wheelchair and is often found on G Street in Washington — the city that is ultimately responsible for the bullet he took in the spine in Fu Bai, Vietnam, in 1972. He had been enjoying the luxury of an indoor bed until last December, when the police swept through the shelter in the middle of the night looking for men with outstanding warrants.

It turned out that Mr. Szekely, who is an ordained minister and does not drink, do drugs or curse in front of ladies, did indeed have a warrant — for not appearing in court to face a charge of “criminal trespassing” (for sleeping on a sidewalk in a Washington suburb). So he was dragged out of the shelter and put in jail. “Can you imagine?” asked Eric Sheptock, the homeless advocate (himself a shelter resident) who introduced me to Mr. Szekely. “They arrested a homeless man in a shelter for being homeless.”

The viciousness of the official animus toward the indigent can be breathtaking. A few years ago, a group called Food Not Bombs started handing out free vegan food to hungry people in public parks around the nation. A number of cities, led by Las Vegas, passed ordinances forbidding the sharing of food with the indigent in public places, and several members of the group were arrested. A federal judge just overturned the anti-sharing law in Orlando, Fla., but the city is appealing. And now Middletown, Conn., is cracking down on food sharing.

If poverty tends to criminalize people, it is also true that criminalization inexorably impoverishes them. Scott Lovell, another homeless man I interviewed in Washington, earned his record by committing a significant crime — by participating in the armed robbery of a steakhouse when he was 15. Although Mr. Lovell dresses and speaks more like a summer tourist from Ohio than a felon, his criminal record has made it extremely difficult for him to find a job.


Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller Nickel and Dimed. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Harpers, and the Progressive, she is a contributing writer to Time magazine. She lives in Florida.
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It's ALWAYS been a crime to be poor
Posted by: woody, tokin' librul on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM   
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in KKKapitalist Murkkka...

No nation is or can be worth much of a runny shit which holds the heath of its citizens hostage to the wealth of its elites...

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God Bless Barbara Ehrenreich ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM   
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One of the very few writers that care about the forgotten people enough to write about their plight ...

Again ...

Barbara,

Thankyou ... your work has been a Godsend.

For those of you unfamiliar with Barbara's work ...

# Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By In America (2001)
# Global Woman: Nannies, Maids, and Sex Workers in the New Economy (ed., with Arlie Hochschild) (2003)
# Bait and Switch: The (Futile) Pursuit of the American Dream (2005)
# Dancing in the Streets: A History of Collective Joy (2007)
# This Land is Their Land: Reports From a Divided Nation (2008)

~ wiki

Read one ...

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Camarillo, CA
Posted by: DaBear on Aug 19, 2009 5:05 PM   
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While Ventura adopted a policy to not prosecute or cite people for sleeping in their only shelter (cars, vans and trucks)--ironically coming largely from the cops being forced to enforce laws they see as pragmatically and functionally stoopid--Camarillo, CA actually adopted, unanimously, four new ordinances criminalizing poor and/or homeless people. The rationale? "Business leaders complained and we responded" (the Mayor pro tem).

Ah yes, the owning class bitched and the ruling class peers responded--by beating down the peasants. It ain't far to medieval Europe, is it?

Welkum to 'Merkuh, land of the stoopid, the clusterfucked ruled & owned with absolute supremacy by a psychotic delusional owning class cult.

1789.

Don't forgit, there's no such thing as global warming, we're not in a depression (oops I mean recession), no one is poor anymore, we're a xtian fundie nation, the "indians" have all disappeared, pot is bad, mmkay, obey the cops, bow to the rich man, and don't forget your strips of gold pressed latinum. Yes, Virginia, there's a fee for standing here...

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Crime
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 20, 2009 3:15 AM   
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The US is like a Dickens novel on steroids.

Like Woody said, being poor was always a crime. Now that sharing is a crime, we're taking it up a notch.

Be careful out there...Don't let your neighbor borrow your hedge clippers, even if he asks nicely. He might be an undercover cop looking for sharers.

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» Nah, sharing is NOT a crime Posted by: UnEasyOne

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It has always been that way.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 20, 2009 4:54 AM   
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It's just that nowadays it's getting more clear. Excellent article otherwise.

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kids and dragnet...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 20, 2009 5:23 AM   
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Barbara's point of truancy is dead on... if your school district assigns students to high schools across town, (no more neighborhood high schools) and takes away the school issued bus pass for public transportation (budget cuts), then you wind up with kids trying to walk 5-10 miles to school every day... what if parents don't have the $3.50 each way to ride to school and your kid tries to walk??? they get picked up in truancy sweeps...

car pool you say??? many families don't have cars, parents work and you can have 2 kids in school in your family and both go in different directions to get to their schools...

rationale for school district is that if students had neighborhood access to the 5 high schools, then every parent would want their kid in the best school and neighborhood and no one would go to the one in the worst areas, this way you get a mix of rich and poor kids in every school... we have 1 high school that's even worth anything out of the 5...

kids from one side of the city have to go through downtown to reach the other side of the city where their assigned high school is... it's the walking downtown part (where the buses transfer to the other side of the city) where the kids are swept up by cops, taken to juvie for truancy... the law says that unless you graduate early, you have to be in school till 18...

no, not kidding or creating a straw man argument... my son was a PSEO student at the downtown community college, going full time, good grades in his classes, but learned fast to keep his community college ID handy at all times because he was always getting caught up in the downtown truancy sweeps, missing his first class of the day and we had to go down and argue with the cops while they verified with the college that he was on his way to class...

lack of $3.50 a day starts a kid down the road of the criminal system for life... and parents can be fined $500.00 per pick up in juvie court or go to jail themselves for allowing truancy...

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Just don't be poor
Posted by: Hiroak on Aug 20, 2009 5:34 AM   
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and for god's sake get a job with good health insurance it's that easy so quit yer bitchin' being poor just like being a homo is a choice.

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If you are poor
Posted by: littlepitcher on Aug 20, 2009 5:58 AM   
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Over 40 states now have laws prohibiting the law from impounding a vehicle if the owner is living in it. Unfortunately, most states and municipalities still make it illegal to live in a vehicle and/or a camper. Those who do not have specific laws against living in a car or truck, almost always have laws prohibiting residing in a camper or having a camper-residence on private property, removing one available bootstrapping technique (buy cheap camper, live there, repair it, save money, sell cheap camper and use money to rent apartment).

Employers do not know or care that many cases of criminal trespassing are simply cases of a homeless person sleeping on vacant land. After exclusions from the workforce for looks, wardrobe, and the "crime" of being laid off or unemployed, one more exclusion for a misdemeanor really restricts work availability and makes poverty nearly permanent.

One possibility--if community service sentencing is available, pick the best or most skilled of the work available, come clean with future employers, and use the community service work for a reference.

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Very true!
Posted by: Cybershaman on Aug 20, 2009 6:07 AM   
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Our culture has always had a 'kick em when they're down' mentality. At least when the homeless were visable there was a discussion about the problem and solutions were devised.

When Reagan started dismantling the New Deal one of the first signs of the coming dark ages was the rise in homelessness. After he closed the nations mental health institutions we had an increase in the crazy homeless aspect and violence insued. The public outcry began to break through the veil so conservatives started the crackdown that would hide the problem behind prison walls. Then the public was conned into supporting legislation that would funnel tax money into the prison warehousing industry. Eventually they figured out how to make these prisoners pay for their own incarceration by forcing them into prison labor schemes. Walla! The return of legal slavery!

What I have never understood is why people who identify as 'conservative', and claim to want government out of our lives, continues to vote for a party that inevitably supports MORE government intrusion in our lives and ways to criminalize our behaviors. Maybe it's because those who do this always scream about the attempts of liberals to make government work for us as 'socialism' while crafting legislation that insures that government actually works against us. Bait and switch ideology if you ask me.

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» Sorry, yes. Posted by: deang
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Drug-free zones
Posted by: MT512 on Aug 20, 2009 7:00 AM   
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Another aspect that surely adds to this is the police application of "drug-free zones" in poor and high-crime areas. So they just put up a sign and it instantly increases the penalties for drugs in that immediate area. It's purely arbitrary.

Like if you have a joint in your car and you break down in a school zone and a cop sees the joint, it's like you specifically went there to sell that joint to the precious children, and you get a stiffer fine than if your car had just broken down a block away.

And it's not like they worked hard to rid that one area of drugs, and now it really is "drug-free" and they just want to keep it that way. It's just another way to increase those fines. Just another way the public is a cash cow to the local government.

Don't tax the wealthy's money that's just sitting there gaining interest. And of course don't put up "drug-free zone" signs and road blocks in their neighborhoods. Instead fine the regular people as they just try to live day-to-day with every possible thing you can bust 'em for, and constantly scheme up ways to squeeze ever more...

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Is it a police state yet? We're sure getting there! (Mayor Bloomberg is making NYC sterile for all
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Aug 20, 2009 8:07 AM   
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his corporatist friends, btw. No poor allowed.)

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The other side...
Posted by: hms2004 on Aug 20, 2009 8:11 AM   
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The article doesn't address the other side. The other side is the law-abiding, hard working citizen who is harassed by people living out in the streets on his way to work. I aplaud law enforcement action designed to clean up our streets of vile, drunken and drug addicted bums. These people have chosen to be drunks and not to work, they should face the consequences for their actions. I think those who want to work should be given an opportunity to make a decent living, but I don't have a problem w/ police locking people up who chose to get drunk and beg.

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Atlas Shrugged . .
Posted by: premarachel on Aug 20, 2009 9:01 AM   
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Sounds like Ayn Rands book "Atlas Shrugged" come to pass
Amazing!

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The Success of Jim Crow Economic Warfare in America
Posted by: aahpat on Aug 20, 2009 10:35 AM   
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Anyone who does not see that the war on drugs is and always has been an overt economic culture war on poverty oppressed Americans is willfully blind.

The war on drugs has NEVER been able to interdict more than 10-15% of the drugs targeting our shores. Yet the war is prosecuted predominantly against poor Americans who are easily enticed and induced into the only economic opportunity available to most urban poor children and adults alike.

That most poor people are Americans of color, incarceration is over-whelmingly targeted on minorities and the modern drug war was created by Richard Nixon and the Dixie-crats in congress just five years after the Voting Rights Act was passed should be no surprise.

"[President Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." H.R. Haldeman's diary according to former Wall Street Journal reporter Dan Baum in his book "Smoke and Mirrors".

The war on drugs was then and still is today that Jim Crow "system".

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Swallow enough toxicity and you get sick.
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 20, 2009 10:58 AM   
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We are a nation that is not well informed about those among us whose lives are difficult. We do not want to know, because we do not know what can be done about it.

Under Clinton, we gambled that by providing jobs and cutting welfare rolls, things might be better. So long as jobs were plentiful, that appeared to be the case. We measured the success of the program by the numbers of people who were removed from the welfare rolls. Those who were close to people in poverty, social service and welfare workers, knew that it was not working except for some people at the margins.

So, as with the proverbial pigeons, the problems we deny have come back with a vengeance.

If Ehrenreich wants to write about the failures of our society, there will be no shortage of stories. Previously she has tried to be helpful by pointing to the likelihood that our situation was worsening (people in poverty increased by 1.5M in the last year). The American electorate voted to bury our head in the sand by electing punitive leadership for the last 35 years. So not enough people in power are listening.

Our painful situation, when it happens at the personal level, is described as “logical consequences.” Keep it coming Ehrenreich. Having our noses rubbed in it is our only hope.

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For almost thirty years
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 20, 2009 11:11 AM   
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The answer is yes, it is a crime; or most certainly, at least a vice, to be poor. It has been ever since 1980, when Saint Ron Reagan effectively rewrote the penal code. I have always thought that we could pinpoint the moment in which America lost its heart: when Tail Gunner Ron shut down mental homes and turned all those poor souls out to live on the streets.

Incidentally, Ms. Ehrenreich is the best political journalist in the country.

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Hey people!!!
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Aug 20, 2009 11:51 AM   
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If you have land or a yard let the homeless sleep on it. Fuck the township, city, police.

If you are homeless try and put together about a thousand dollars and buy a small urban lot to be homeless on.

It might be a zoning violation but FUCK EM!!! Its your fucking land.

It is the duty of the general populace to be disobedient towards unjust laws. Homeless people live "greener" than any one here.

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We are in the midst of a humanitarin crisis in our nation
Posted by: cori on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM   
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Ten's of millions are homeless, hungry and without healthcare and the rest of us are at the mercy of a broken healthcare system. There are no adequate safety nets, support systems or services anymore. We pay our taxes but none of it goes to us. We have no job security, and ten's of millions who have a job suffer from low wages. If a person falls into poverty they can be left to starve and die in the gutter as poverty is exploding at an alarming rate. Jobs are still pourng out of our country and with revenues still falling at a rapid rate and the fat cats on Wall Street, the military, the prisons, big pharma and health care companies rolling in our tax dollars, we are quickly becoming a nation of the sick and poor.
It is clear that Obama does not have the power to do the job. We must continue to vote for those, like Independent Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont who really work for us and get those Blue Dog Democrats out. We could all be next and the fight is not over yet. So understand that you want the people you vote for to work for you and we all want to make sure that our tax dollars go to us. Corporate welfare at our expense is killing us. So call your rep and tell you won't vote for them if they don't do somethinging about our humanitarian crisis and make sure we get at the very least A PUBLIC OPTION. 202 224 3121

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extending the prejudice
Posted by: deang on Aug 20, 2009 4:10 PM   
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And this hatred of poor people is adversely affecting attitudes toward others as well.

My middle-aged self was recently angrily confronted and threatened with physical violence by a frat boy who accused me of breaking into his apartment. I was just walking down the street on my way to work in the morning. He said it had to have been me because I "look homeless". He started punching the police number into his cell phone while trying to block me from continuing down the street. I managed to get around him, but he trailed me, barking down my neck that he knew it was me because I "looked poor." Once I got to my office building, the fact that I actually had employment scared him and he turned around, but I was shaken the rest of the day.

A history professor friend who is also a long-distance runner was recently blocked at the entrance to a conference he was scheduled to attend because the people at the door thought he looked "indigent" and possibly homeless, since his middle-aged skin is a bit weathered by years of marathons. He eventually managed to produce enough ID to convince them of his right to attend, but not before they had threatened to call the police. I was surprised because he couldn't look less threatening; he's very well-groomed and clean, just starting to age and not dying his hair or getting plastic surgery. His feelings were hurt, but it makes me afraid because people are being judged to be criminals solely on the basis of public ideas about what poverty looks like, which apparently has something to do with looking aged.

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The myth of the self made man.
Posted by: leTerrassier on Aug 20, 2009 5:33 PM   
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This all comes down to the silly fantasy that hard work is all that is needed to be successful in this country. It's not. Neither is genius. One will find amongst the homeless people who are veterans, mentally ill, literal geniuses, people with law degrees,PHDs, are mentally handicapped, and much more. All they share in common is that they live on the streets. Some of them are lazy, and others are harder workers than most Americans; some are stupid, and some have I.Q.s higher than Einstein. Again, hard work and intelligence are nothing in this country. Just look at those who've been president: George W. Bush was an idiot who's only claim to fame was his granddaddy's dirty millions and his father's similar unwarranted success; Ronald Reagan was a terrible, unsuccessful, and intellectually lazy D-list actor who only became successful as a politician when the rest of the country turned as idiotic as he was; JFK, still remembered as one our "greatest presidents," was the well crafted product of his father, and won a Pulitzer for a book he never wrote. None of these people would have succeeded had this country been a true meritocracy. Instead, we're a plain old, Mike Judge approved, Idiocracy, with an unsubtle hint of Plutocracy.

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Trouble recruiting? Send the poor to war
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Aug 20, 2009 7:31 PM   
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and kill 2 birds with one stone. On the other hand, the enemy may be more compassionate and take them in instead of killing them.

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It hasn't always been a crime
Posted by: cactus on Aug 21, 2009 7:03 AM   
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My father had to leave home at age 15 (along with an older and a younger brother) to ride the rails and work the harvests during the Great Depression so that grandma would have three fewer mouths to feed. I grew up listening to first-hand accounts of that period in our history and I learned that there was a time when (most) people believed that no matter how poor you were you always had enough to share with the less fortunate.

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In the movie "The Mask of Zorro . . ."
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Aug 21, 2009 8:36 AM   
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The old Zorro instructs the new Zorro that villain Don Rafael Montero will never recognize his lifelong enemy the old Zorro, dressed as a servant to the new Zorro, because, "a member of the Spanish Court would never look directly at a servant."

During my decades long war with the U.S. Government and its Allgemein SS, the IRS, I often "hid in plain sight." Citizens of the U.S. "court" never look at the poor. When they are somehow obliged to see you, they insist that the police remove the reproach to society and them you represent.

It's just another way of refusing to look at you.

The tactic proved most useful, however. Citizens of the U.S. - most of them now affluent by means of what they have stolen from those now poor (it's how corporate capitalism works, after all - and they say so) - are like the government they have and - for now apparent reasons - tolerate. They are looking for someone from whom to steal (oh, they sometimes first have the form of theft or robbery made legal, that once they have acquired enough political muscle); those apparently very poor - the homeless, for instance - aren't worth their notice.

It's amazing what you can do when you're invisible.

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Sleeping on the sidewalk in Saint Petersburg.
Posted by: eldridge2009 on Aug 21, 2009 9:49 AM   
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Below is the code that deals with the subject. As you can see, our law has been taken out of context. If you don't wish to read the whole thing, just look at sub-paragraph (d) which says "If the officer is not aware of available shelter space within the City of St Petersburg or within three miles of the borders of the City of St Petersburg, the person shall not be charged with a violation of this section."


Sec. 20-74. Sleeping in or on right-of-way
(a) It shall be unlawful and a violation of the City Code for any person to sleep in or on any part of the right-of-way, which shall include any public sidewalk.
(b) A law enforcement officer observing a violation of subsection (a) of this Section, shall inquire of the person violating this section if the person has legally existing available shelter space, either owned or available for use by the individual, and if the person has such available space and agrees to travel, begins to travel immediately and continues to travel until reaching such shelter space, the person shall not be charged with a violation of this section.
(c) If shelter space is available at a shelter within the City of St Petersburg or within three miles of the borders of the City of St Petersburg, and such shelter space is known to be available by a law enforcement officer observing a violation of subsection (a) of this Section, the officer shall advise the person of the violation and, when necessary and when available, afford the person the opportunity to be transported to the shelter with any personal items requested to be removed by the individual, provided the shelter will accept the person. The person shall not be charged with a violation of this section if the person agrees to be transported to the shelter. If the shelter space is outside the borders of the City of St Petersburg, public or other transportation will be made available to the individual at the shelter space so that the individual can travel to locations within the City which are necessary to the individual.
(d) If the officer is not aware of available shelter space within the City of St Petersburg or within three miles of the borders of the City of St Petersburg, the person shall not be charged with a violation of this section.

Richard Eldridge

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Christian Nation - Hah!
Posted by: New American on Aug 21, 2009 7:28 PM   
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I'm not a Christian, at least do not claim to be. But this governmental behavior makes me sick. How many of the folks jumping up and down at city council meetings demanding that something be DONE about these homeless vagrants will pile into the family SUV with the litter of kids and head off to the suburban church? Disgusting. Somehow I think Jesus would be pissed. Didn't he feed the hungry, clothe the poor and heal the sick? Isn't that what Christianity is all about? Isn't that the core idea? Not building crystal cathedrals where folks that are 99.99% while admire each other's sunday suits? Give me a break. It makes me crazy when CalTrans, California's highway agency clears folks out from underneath freeway overpasses. Not as if they had a better place to go! Frankly, I'd wish some of these homeless folks would just go find a nice foreclosed home and let themselves in for the evening. Take a shower. Crash on the carpet. Heck, start a warm fire in the fireplace. Stay dry and out of the elements. Look at what the Guaranty Bank of Austin, Texas did. They bulldozed 20 brand new never occupied homes in Victorville, CA. Never sold, never used. And now this very same bank is on the short list to be taken over by the FDIC. Leveled by a Caterpillar. Nice. Frankly I hope the bank personnel who ordered this rot in hell. Burn, you jerks. Again, Jesus might just cop an attitude, you know?

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poor be too poor
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never doubts,we poor be more poor. DVD to MOV Mac

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Money sucks
Posted by: xmvince on Aug 27, 2009 9:57 AM   
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Money corrupts, kills, and ruins lives.

Star trek has a bright future (they live without money) as they base their economy on sharing and helping others (maybe humans are just too dumb/greedy to do that?).

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It's ALWAYS been a crime to be poor
Posted by: woody, tokin' librul on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM   
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in KKKapitalist Murkkka...

No nation is or can be worth much of a runny shit which holds the heath of its citizens hostage to the wealth of its elites...

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God Bless Barbara Ehrenreich ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM   
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One of the very few writers that care about the forgotten people enough to write about their plight ...

Again ...

Barbara,

Thankyou ... your work has been a Godsend.

For those of you unfamiliar with Barbara's work ...

# Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By In America (2001)
# Global Woman: Nannies, Maids, and Sex Workers in the New Economy (ed., with Arlie Hochschild) (2003)
# Bait and Switch: The (Futile) Pursuit of the American Dream (2005)
# Dancing in the Streets: A History of Collective Joy (2007)
# This Land is Their Land: Reports From a Divided Nation (2008)

~ wiki

Read one ...

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Camarillo, CA
Posted by: DaBear on Aug 19, 2009 5:05 PM   
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While Ventura adopted a policy to not prosecute or cite people for sleeping in their only shelter (cars, vans and trucks)--ironically coming largely from the cops being forced to enforce laws they see as pragmatically and functionally stoopid--Camarillo, CA actually adopted, unanimously, four new ordinances criminalizing poor and/or homeless people. The rationale? "Business leaders complained and we responded" (the Mayor pro tem).

Ah yes, the owning class bitched and the ruling class peers responded--by beating down the peasants. It ain't far to medieval Europe, is it?

Welkum to 'Merkuh, land of the stoopid, the clusterfucked ruled & owned with absolute supremacy by a psychotic delusional owning class cult.

1789.

Don't forgit, there's no such thing as global warming, we're not in a depression (oops I mean recession), no one is poor anymore, we're a xtian fundie nation, the "indians" have all disappeared, pot is bad, mmkay, obey the cops, bow to the rich man, and don't forget your strips of gold pressed latinum. Yes, Virginia, there's a fee for standing here...

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Crime
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 20, 2009 3:15 AM   
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The US is like a Dickens novel on steroids.

Like Woody said, being poor was always a crime. Now that sharing is a crime, we're taking it up a notch.

Be careful out there...Don't let your neighbor borrow your hedge clippers, even if he asks nicely. He might be an undercover cop looking for sharers.

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It has always been that way.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 20, 2009 4:54 AM   
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It's just that nowadays it's getting more clear. Excellent article otherwise.

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kids and dragnet...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 20, 2009 5:23 AM   
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Barbara's point of truancy is dead on... if your school district assigns students to high schools across town, (no more neighborhood high schools) and takes away the school issued bus pass for public transportation (budget cuts), then you wind up with kids trying to walk 5-10 miles to school every day... what if parents don't have the $3.50 each way to ride to school and your kid tries to walk??? they get picked up in truancy sweeps...

car pool you say??? many families don't have cars, parents work and you can have 2 kids in school in your family and both go in different directions to get to their schools...

rationale for school district is that if students had neighborhood access to the 5 high schools, then every parent would want their kid in the best school and neighborhood and no one would go to the one in the worst areas, this way you get a mix of rich and poor kids in every school... we have 1 high school that's even worth anything out of the 5...

kids from one side of the city have to go through downtown to reach the other side of the city where their assigned high school is... it's the walking downtown part (where the buses transfer to the other side of the city) where the kids are swept up by cops, taken to juvie for truancy... the law says that unless you graduate early, you have to be in school till 18...

no, not kidding or creating a straw man argument... my son was a PSEO student at the downtown community college, going full time, good grades in his classes, but learned fast to keep his community college ID handy at all times because he was always getting caught up in the downtown truancy sweeps, missing his first class of the day and we had to go down and argue with the cops while they verified with the college that he was on his way to class...

lack of $3.50 a day starts a kid down the road of the criminal system for life... and parents can be fined $500.00 per pick up in juvie court or go to jail themselves for allowing truancy...

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Just don't be poor
Posted by: Hiroak on Aug 20, 2009 5:34 AM   
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and for god's sake get a job with good health insurance it's that easy so quit yer bitchin' being poor just like being a homo is a choice.

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If you are poor
Posted by: littlepitcher on Aug 20, 2009 5:58 AM   
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Over 40 states now have laws prohibiting the law from impounding a vehicle if the owner is living in it. Unfortunately, most states and municipalities still make it illegal to live in a vehicle and/or a camper. Those who do not have specific laws against living in a car or truck, almost always have laws prohibiting residing in a camper or having a camper-residence on private property, removing one available bootstrapping technique (buy cheap camper, live there, repair it, save money, sell cheap camper and use money to rent apartment).

Employers do not know or care that many cases of criminal trespassing are simply cases of a homeless person sleeping on vacant land. After exclusions from the workforce for looks, wardrobe, and the "crime" of being laid off or unemployed, one more exclusion for a misdemeanor really restricts work availability and makes poverty nearly permanent.

One possibility--if community service sentencing is available, pick the best or most skilled of the work available, come clean with future employers, and use the community service work for a reference.

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Very true!
Posted by: Cybershaman on Aug 20, 2009 6:07 AM   
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Our culture has always had a 'kick em when they're down' mentality. At least when the homeless were visable there was a discussion about the problem and solutions were devised.

When Reagan started dismantling the New Deal one of the first signs of the coming dark ages was the rise in homelessness. After he closed the nations mental health institutions we had an increase in the crazy homeless aspect and violence insued. The public outcry began to break through the veil so conservatives started the crackdown that would hide the problem behind prison walls. Then the public was conned into supporting legislation that would funnel tax money into the prison warehousing industry. Eventually they figured out how to make these prisoners pay for their own incarceration by forcing them into prison labor schemes. Walla! The return of legal slavery!

What I have never understood is why people who identify as 'conservative', and claim to want government out of our lives, continues to vote for a party that inevitably supports MORE government intrusion in our lives and ways to criminalize our behaviors. Maybe it's because those who do this always scream about the attempts of liberals to make government work for us as 'socialism' while crafting legislation that insures that government actually works against us. Bait and switch ideology if you ask me.

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Drug-free zones
Posted by: MT512 on Aug 20, 2009 7:00 AM   
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Another aspect that surely adds to this is the police application of "drug-free zones" in poor and high-crime areas. So they just put up a sign and it instantly increases the penalties for drugs in that immediate area. It's purely arbitrary.

Like if you have a joint in your car and you break down in a school zone and a cop sees the joint, it's like you specifically went there to sell that joint to the precious children, and you get a stiffer fine than if your car had just broken down a block away.

And it's not like they worked hard to rid that one area of drugs, and now it really is "drug-free" and they just want to keep it that way. It's just another way to increase those fines. Just another way the public is a cash cow to the local government.

Don't tax the wealthy's money that's just sitting there gaining interest. And of course don't put up "drug-free zone" signs and road blocks in their neighborhoods. Instead fine the regular people as they just try to live day-to-day with every possible thing you can bust 'em for, and constantly scheme up ways to squeeze ever more...

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Is it a police state yet? We're sure getting there! (Mayor Bloomberg is making NYC sterile for all
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Aug 20, 2009 8:07 AM   
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his corporatist friends, btw. No poor allowed.)

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The other side...
Posted by: hms2004 on Aug 20, 2009 8:11 AM   
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The article doesn't address the other side. The other side is the law-abiding, hard working citizen who is harassed by people living out in the streets on his way to work. I aplaud law enforcement action designed to clean up our streets of vile, drunken and drug addicted bums. These people have chosen to be drunks and not to work, they should face the consequences for their actions. I think those who want to work should be given an opportunity to make a decent living, but I don't have a problem w/ police locking people up who chose to get drunk and beg.

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Atlas Shrugged . .
Posted by: premarachel on Aug 20, 2009 9:01 AM   
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Sounds like Ayn Rands book "Atlas Shrugged" come to pass
Amazing!

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The Success of Jim Crow Economic Warfare in America
Posted by: aahpat on Aug 20, 2009 10:35 AM   
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Anyone who does not see that the war on drugs is and always has been an overt economic culture war on poverty oppressed Americans is willfully blind.

The war on drugs has NEVER been able to interdict more than 10-15% of the drugs targeting our shores. Yet the war is prosecuted predominantly against poor Americans who are easily enticed and induced into the only economic opportunity available to most urban poor children and adults alike.

That most poor people are Americans of color, incarceration is over-whelmingly targeted on minorities and the modern drug war was created by Richard Nixon and the Dixie-crats in congress just five years after the Voting Rights Act was passed should be no surprise.

"[President Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." H.R. Haldeman's diary according to former Wall Street Journal reporter Dan Baum in his book "Smoke and Mirrors".

The war on drugs was then and still is today that Jim Crow "system".

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Swallow enough toxicity and you get sick.
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 20, 2009 10:58 AM   
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We are a nation that is not well informed about those among us whose lives are difficult. We do not want to know, because we do not know what can be done about it.

Under Clinton, we gambled that by providing jobs and cutting welfare rolls, things might be better. So long as jobs were plentiful, that appeared to be the case. We measured the success of the program by the numbers of people who were removed from the welfare rolls. Those who were close to people in poverty, social service and welfare workers, knew that it was not working except for some people at the margins.

So, as with the proverbial pigeons, the problems we deny have come back with a vengeance.

If Ehrenreich wants to write about the failures of our society, there will be no shortage of stories. Previously she has tried to be helpful by pointing to the likelihood that our situation was worsening (people in poverty increased by 1.5M in the last year). The American electorate voted to bury our head in the sand by electing punitive leadership for the last 35 years. So not enough people in power are listening.

Our painful situation, when it happens at the personal level, is described as “logical consequences.” Keep it coming Ehrenreich. Having our noses rubbed in it is our only hope.

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For almost thirty years
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 20, 2009 11:11 AM   
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The answer is yes, it is a crime; or most certainly, at least a vice, to be poor. It has been ever since 1980, when Saint Ron Reagan effectively rewrote the penal code. I have always thought that we could pinpoint the moment in which America lost its heart: when Tail Gunner Ron shut down mental homes and turned all those poor souls out to live on the streets.

Incidentally, Ms. Ehrenreich is the best political journalist in the country.

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Hey people!!!
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Aug 20, 2009 11:51 AM   
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If you have land or a yard let the homeless sleep on it. Fuck the township, city, police.

If you are homeless try and put together about a thousand dollars and buy a small urban lot to be homeless on.

It might be a zoning violation but FUCK EM!!! Its your fucking land.

It is the duty of the general populace to be disobedient towards unjust laws. Homeless people live "greener" than any one here.

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We are in the midst of a humanitarin crisis in our nation
Posted by: cori on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM   
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Ten's of millions are homeless, hungry and without healthcare and the rest of us are at the mercy of a broken healthcare system. There are no adequate safety nets, support systems or services anymore. We pay our taxes but none of it goes to us. We have no job security, and ten's of millions who have a job suffer from low wages. If a person falls into poverty they can be left to starve and die in the gutter as poverty is exploding at an alarming rate. Jobs are still pourng out of our country and with revenues still falling at a rapid rate and the fat cats on Wall Street, the military, the prisons, big pharma and health care companies rolling in our tax dollars, we are quickly becoming a nation of the sick and poor.
It is clear that Obama does not have the power to do the job. We must continue to vote for those, like Independent Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont who really work for us and get those Blue Dog Democrats out. We could all be next and the fight is not over yet. So understand that you want the people you vote for to work for you and we all want to make sure that our tax dollars go to us. Corporate welfare at our expense is killing us. So call your rep and tell you won't vote for them if they don't do somethinging about our humanitarian crisis and make sure we get at the very least A PUBLIC OPTION. 202 224 3121

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extending the prejudice
Posted by: deang on Aug 20, 2009 4:10 PM   
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And this hatred of poor people is adversely affecting attitudes toward others as well.

My middle-aged self was recently angrily confronted and threatened with physical violence by a frat boy who accused me of breaking into his apartment. I was just walking down the street on my way to work in the morning. He said it had to have been me because I "look homeless". He started punching the police number into his cell phone while trying to block me from continuing down the street. I managed to get around him, but he trailed me, barking down my neck that he knew it was me because I "looked poor." Once I got to my office building, the fact that I actually had employment scared him and he turned around, but I was shaken the rest of the day.

A history professor friend who is also a long-distance runner was recently blocked at the entrance to a conference he was scheduled to attend because the people at the door thought he looked "indigent" and possibly homeless, since his middle-aged skin is a bit weathered by years of marathons. He eventually managed to produce enough ID to convince them of his right to attend, but not before they had threatened to call the police. I was surprised because he couldn't look less threatening; he's very well-groomed and clean, just starting to age and not dying his hair or getting plastic surgery. His feelings were hurt, but it makes me afraid because people are being judged to be criminals solely on the basis of public ideas about what poverty looks like, which apparently has something to do with looking aged.

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The myth of the self made man.
Posted by: leTerrassier on Aug 20, 2009 5:33 PM   
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This all comes down to the silly fantasy that hard work is all that is needed to be successful in this country. It's not. Neither is genius. One will find amongst the homeless people who are veterans, mentally ill, literal geniuses, people with law degrees,PHDs, are mentally handicapped, and much more. All they share in common is that they live on the streets. Some of them are lazy, and others are harder workers than most Americans; some are stupid, and some have I.Q.s higher than Einstein. Again, hard work and intelligence are nothing in this country. Just look at those who've been president: George W. Bush was an idiot who's only claim to fame was his granddaddy's dirty millions and his father's similar unwarranted success; Ronald Reagan was a terrible, unsuccessful, and intellectually lazy D-list actor who only became successful as a politician when the rest of the country turned as idiotic as he was; JFK, still remembered as one our "greatest presidents," was the well crafted product of his father, and won a Pulitzer for a book he never wrote. None of these people would have succeeded had this country been a true meritocracy. Instead, we're a plain old, Mike Judge approved, Idiocracy, with an unsubtle hint of Plutocracy.

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Trouble recruiting? Send the poor to war
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Aug 20, 2009 7:31 PM   
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and kill 2 birds with one stone. On the other hand, the enemy may be more compassionate and take them in instead of killing them.

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It hasn't always been a crime
Posted by: cactus on Aug 21, 2009 7:03 AM   
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My father had to leave home at age 15 (along with an older and a younger brother) to ride the rails and work the harvests during the Great Depression so that grandma would have three fewer mouths to feed. I grew up listening to first-hand accounts of that period in our history and I learned that there was a time when (most) people believed that no matter how poor you were you always had enough to share with the less fortunate.

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In the movie "The Mask of Zorro . . ."
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Aug 21, 2009 8:36 AM   
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The old Zorro instructs the new Zorro that villain Don Rafael Montero will never recognize his lifelong enemy the old Zorro, dressed as a servant to the new Zorro, because, "a member of the Spanish Court would never look directly at a servant."

During my decades long war with the U.S. Government and its Allgemein SS, the IRS, I often "hid in plain sight." Citizens of the U.S. "court" never look at the poor. When they are somehow obliged to see you, they insist that the police remove the reproach to society and them you represent.

It's just another way of refusing to look at you.

The tactic proved most useful, however. Citizens of the U.S. - most of them now affluent by means of what they have stolen from those now poor (it's how corporate capitalism works, after all - and they say so) - are like the government they have and - for now apparent reasons - tolerate. They are looking for someone from whom to steal (oh, they sometimes first have the form of theft or robbery made legal, that once they have acquired enough political muscle); those apparently very poor - the homeless, for instance - aren't worth their notice.

It's amazing what you can do when you're invisible.

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Sleeping on the sidewalk in Saint Petersburg.
Posted by: eldridge2009 on Aug 21, 2009 9:49 AM   
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Below is the code that deals with the subject. As you can see, our law has been taken out of context. If you don't wish to read the whole thing, just look at sub-paragraph (d) which says "If the officer is not aware of available shelter space within the City of St Petersburg or within three miles of the borders of the City of St Petersburg, the person shall not be charged with a violation of this section."


Sec. 20-74. Sleeping in or on right-of-way
(a) It shall be unlawful and a violation of the City Code for any person to sleep in or on any part of the right-of-way, which shall include any public sidewalk.
(b) A law enforcement officer observing a violation of subsection (a) of this Section, shall inquire of the person violating this section if the person has legally existing available shelter space, either owned or available for use by the individual, and if the person has such available space and agrees to travel, begins to travel immediately and continues to travel until reaching such shelter space, the person shall not be charged with a violation of this section.
(c) If shelter space is available at a shelter within the City of St Petersburg or within three miles of the borders of the City of St Petersburg, and such shelter space is known to be available by a law enforcement officer observing a violation of subsection (a) of this Section, the officer shall advise the person of the violation and, when necessary and when available, afford the person the opportunity to be transported to the shelter with any personal items requested to be removed by the individual, provided the shelter will accept the person. The person shall not be charged with a violation of this section if the person agrees to be transported to the shelter. If the shelter space is outside the borders of the City of St Petersburg, public or other transportation will be made available to the individual at the shelter space so that the individual can travel to locations within the City which are necessary to the individual.
(d) If the officer is not aware of available shelter space within the City of St Petersburg or within three miles of the borders of the City of St Petersburg, the person shall not be charged with a violation of this section.

Richard Eldridge

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Christian Nation - Hah!
Posted by: New American on Aug 21, 2009 7:28 PM   
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I'm not a Christian, at least do not claim to be. But this governmental behavior makes me sick. How many of the folks jumping up and down at city council meetings demanding that something be DONE about these homeless vagrants will pile into the family SUV with the litter of kids and head off to the suburban church? Disgusting. Somehow I think Jesus would be pissed. Didn't he feed the hungry, clothe the poor and heal the sick? Isn't that what Christianity is all about? Isn't that the core idea? Not building crystal cathedrals where folks that are 99.99% while admire each other's sunday suits? Give me a break. It makes me crazy when CalTrans, California's highway agency clears folks out from underneath freeway overpasses. Not as if they had a better place to go! Frankly, I'd wish some of these homeless folks would just go find a nice foreclosed home and let themselves in for the evening. Take a shower. Crash on the carpet. Heck, start a warm fire in the fireplace. Stay dry and out of the elements. Look at what the Guaranty Bank of Austin, Texas did. They bulldozed 20 brand new never occupied homes in Victorville, CA. Never sold, never used. And now this very same bank is on the short list to be taken over by the FDIC. Leveled by a Caterpillar. Nice. Frankly I hope the bank personnel who ordered this rot in hell. Burn, you jerks. Again, Jesus might just cop an attitude, you know?

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DVD to Pockert PC
Posted by: boay on Aug 23, 2009 8:31 PM   
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KNOW YOUR RIGHTS - ACLU
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Aug 24, 2009 12:55 PM   
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poor be too poor
Posted by: wetwe on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 AM   
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never doubts,we poor be more poor. DVD to MOV Mac

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Money sucks
Posted by: xmvince on Aug 27, 2009 9:57 AM   
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Money corrupts, kills, and ruins lives.

Star trek has a bright future (they live without money) as they base their economy on sharing and helping others (maybe humans are just too dumb/greedy to do that?).

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