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It's Wasn't Only Cheney Who Had Assassination Programs: Clinton Did It, and Obama Does It, Too

While the current focus is on Dick Cheney's role concealing these nefarious missions, the U.S. has long had a bipartisan assassination policy.
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Members of Congress have expressed outrage over the "secret" CIA assassination program that former Vice President Dick Cheney allegedly ordered concealed from Congress.

But this program -- and the media descriptions of it -- sounds a lot like the assassination policy implemented by President Bill Clinton, particularly during his second term in office.

Partisan politics often require selective amnesia. Over the past decade, we have seen this amnesia take hold when it comes to many of President George W. Bush's most vile policies. And we are now seeing a pretty severe case overtake several leading Democrats.

It makes for good speechifying to act as though all criminality began with Bush and -- particularly these days -- Cheney, but that is extreme intellectual dishonesty. The fact is that many of Bush's worst policies (now being highlighted by leading Democrats) were based in some form or another in a Clinton-initiated policy, or were supported by the Democrats in Congress with their votes.

To name a few: the USA PATRIOT Act, the invasion of Iraq, the attack against Afghanistan, the CIA's extraordinary-rendition program, the widespread use of mercenaries and other private contractors in U.S. war zones and warrantless wiretapping.

Regarding the Bush-era assassination program, there is great reason to be skeptical the program that CIA Director Leon Panetta alleges was concealed from Congress is actually the program the public is being led to believe it is.

Why would the CIA need to conceal a program that never was implemented and, if it never was implemented, why did Panetta need to shut it down? Moreover, who was running this inactive program from the minute Barack Obama was sworn in until June 24, when Panetta supposedly announced its cancellation?

This program -- as it is currently being described -- should hardly be a major scandal to members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, as some are now treating it. As they well know, Obama has continued the Bush targeted-assassination program, using armed drones and Special Forces teams to hunt "high-value targets."

Former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro and others have pointed out, "The CIA runs drones and targets al-Qaida safe houses all the time." Cannistraro told Talking Points Memo that there is no important difference between those kinds of attacks and "assassinations" with a gun or a knife.

Now, if it turns out that the actual plan Cheney allegedly concealed is something other than what has been publicly described, that will be a different matter. For instance, if the CIA had a secret post-9/11 program planning assassinations on U.S. soil or of U.S. citizens, and it was ordered concealed by Cheney. Or, if it was a plan to target in other ways "enemies of the state" within the U.S., as Seymour Hersh has suggested.

"The Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state," Hersh said in March. "Without any legal authority for it. They haven't been called on it yet. That does happen."

Let's look at the program the Democrats claim was kept secret. The Bush administration reportedly authorized the CIA to use small paramilitary teams to hunt down and assassinate "al-Qaida" leaders around the world. It is currently being reported that this plan was never implemented and was born after 9/11. Both of these assertions are very, very doubtful.

The plan, as currently described in the media and by Democrats, is one that continues to exist under the Obama administration. In fact, this program has been part of official U.S. policy -- under Democratic and Republican administrations -- for decades.

By way of background, technically, there is a U.S. ban on assassination that dates to President Gerald Ford in 1976. "No employee of the United States government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination," states Executive Order 11905. That was updated by President Jimmy Carter, who dropped the term "political," simply prohibiting "assassination." The current Executive Order, 12333, was signed by President Ronald Reagan in 1981 and has remained on the books through every administration since.

What is brutally ironic about Reagan signing this ban was that he authorized repeated assassinations, notably the 1986 attempt on Libya's Col. Moammar Gadhafi, which failed to kill Gadhafi, but killed his infant daughter.

But in that brutal apparent contradiction is the truth: The U.S. does not have a ban on assassinations as long as government lawyers can figure out some legal acrobatics for the president to use in sidelining the ban. Every president from Reagan to Obama has reserved the right to assassinate "terrorists" by claiming it as a military operation or a pre-emptive strike.

It is pretty clear that when the Bush administration took over, it picked up the Clinton administration's assassination policy and ran with it -- albeit with more of a missionary zeal for killing, and a removal of some of the layers of lawyering. In short, the Bush team expanded and streamlined the longstanding U.S. government assassination program.

Throughout the 1990s, the question of covert assassinations was a source of major discussion within the Clinton White House, and it is clear assassinations were attempted with presidential approval.

Newsweek magazine reported on how, in 1995, U.S. Special Forces facilitated the assassination of a Libyan "terrorist" in Bosnia, saying, "American authorities justified the assassination under a little-known 1993 'lethal finding' signed by President Bill Clinton that gave permission to target terrorists."

A former senior Clinton official, speaking shortly after the 9/11 attacks, called on the Bush administration not to escalate the U.S. assassination program, saying, "We have a war on drugs, too, but we don't kill drug lords." But then, with no apparent sense of contradiction, the official added, "we have proxies who do."

Clinton-era officials' attempt to hide behind "proxies" is a stunning trampling of the assassination ban as it exists. Not only does it ban U.S. government personnel from engaging in, or conspiring to engage in, "assassination," it also bans "indirect participation": "No agency of the Intelligence Community shall participate in or request any person to undertake activities forbidden by this Order."

The truth is, under Clinton, it wasn't just proxies authorized to do the assassinations.

The Clinton White House worked for years with the CIA to craft an assassination policy -- specifically relating to al-Qaida in general, and Osama bin Laden and his top deputies specifically.

CIA operatives such as Billy Waugh complained in the early and middle years of the Clinton presidencies that they were lawyered to death by Clinton's attorneys in their attempts to get the green light to kill bin Laden in Sudan.

"[I]n the early 1990s, we were forced to adhere to the sanctimonious legal counsel and the do-gooders," recalled Waugh. Among Waugh's rejected ideas was an alleged plot to kill bin Laden in Khartoum, Sudan, and dump his body at the Iranian Embassy in an effort to pin the blame on Tehran. Eventually, however, Clinton did authorize what amounted to assassination squads to hunt down and kill bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders. That happened officially in 1998 with Clinton's signing of a Memorandum of Notification authorizing the CIA to carry out covert assassinations.

George W. Bush was not the president and Dick Cheney was not the vice president. Panetta was then Clinton's chief of staff, from 1994 to 1997, and would have been party to years worth of discussion on this issue.

Under Clinton, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel issued secret rulings that the Ford/Reagan ban on assassinations did not apply to "military targets or "to attacks carried out in pre-emptive self-defense," according to Steve Coll, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Ghost Wars.

Shortly after 9/11, Clinton stated this position publicly, supporting the Bush administration's "war on terror" targeted-assassination policy, saying on NBC News, "The ban that was put in effect under President Ford only applies to heads of state. It doesn't apply to terrorists." That is a stunning statement that is a true legal stretch given the explicit language of the ban.

Moreover, Clinton did, in fact, try to kill a head of state, on April 22, 1999, when he ordered a NATO air strike on the home of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. Clinton and Gen. Wesley Clark also authorized an assassination attempt on Serbian Information Minister Aleksander Vucic, bombing Radio Television Serbia when Vucic was scheduled to appear via satellite on CNN's Larry King Live. Vucic was not killed, but 16 media workers were.

Clinton also publicly acknowledged his administration's attempt to assassinate bin Laden. "I worked hard to try to kill him," Clinton said. "I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since."

Clinton's National Security Adviser Sandy Berger said after Clinton issued his 1998 "lethal finding," U.S. operatives worked with Afghan rebels for two years in an attempt to kill bin Laden. "There were a few points when the pulse quickened, when we thought we were close," Berger later recalled. Among the alleged attempts on bin Laden's life by Clinton was the 1998 bombing of Afghanistan (which was coupled with a massive strike on the Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan).

Coll observed of the Clinton policy: "Clinton had demonstrated his willingness to kill bin Laden, without any pretense of seeking his arrest."

After 9/11, the CIA, which had been frustrated by some of the hurdles to assassination posed by the Clinton administration's legal team, now had the conditions and the commander in chief it needed to take its assassination program to the next level.

The main operations were run out of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center (CTC) headed by J. Cofer Black, who had served as Clinton's CIA station chief in Sudan when bin Laden was there in the 1990s. After 9/11, Black's division at the CIA was authorized by Bush -- with the consent of Congress -- to hunt down bin Laden and others alleged to be responsible for 9/11. As I describe in my book, Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army:

Before the core CIA team, Jawbreaker, deployed [to Afghanistan] on Sept. 27, 2001, Black gave his men direct and macabre directions. "Gentlemen, I want to give you your marching orders, and I want to make them very clear. I have discussed this with the president, and he is in full agreement," Black told covert CIA operative Gary Schroen. "I don't want bin Laden and his thugs captured, I want them dead …  They must be killed. I want to see photos of their heads on pikes. I want bin Laden's head shipped back in a box filled with dry ice. I want to be able to show bin Laden's head to the president. I promised him I would do that."
Schroen said it was the first time in his 30-year career he had been ordered to assassinate an adversary rather than attempting a capture. Black asked if he had made himself clear. "Perfectly clear, Cofer," Schroen told him. "I don't know where we'll find dry ice out there in Afghanistan, but I think we can certainly manufacture pikes in the field." Black later explained why this would be necessary. "You'd need some DNA," Black said. "There's a good way to do it. Take a machete, and whack off his head, and you'll get a bucketful of DNA, so you can see it and test it. It beats lugging the whole body back!"

The actions of the teams run by Black were certainly known to Congress. In fact, Black testified in front of Congress in 2002 about what he called the new "operational flexibility" being employed in the "war on terror."

"This is a very highly classified area, but I have to say that all you need to know: There was a before 9/11, and there was an after 9/11," Black said. "After 9/11, the gloves come off." By 2004, Black claimed that "over 70 percent" of al-Qaida's leadership had been arrested, detained, or killed, and "more than 3,400 of their operatives and supporters have also been detained and put out of an action."

The existence of this program is not secret. It has been documented in books by former CIA operatives, is discussed in public speeches by former officials and is reflected extensively in the congressional record.

Obviously, the House and Senate intelligence committees should investigate the assassination policy under the Bush administration. Cheney's role is central to that. Prosecutors should also be authorized to do the same. If there is a nefarious program the public is unaware of and it was unlawfully concealed, it should be brought out into the light.

But, the truth is that a real investigation -- one that actually seeks to get to the broader truths of these matters -- would require investigating the current assassination program under Obama and the roots of the program that preceded the day when George W. Bush took power. That means looking at the Clinton White House and further back. It means looking at both Democratic and Republican assassination teams.

The sad fact is that nobody on Capitol Hill has demonstrated in any way that he or she has the political courage to do that.

Jeremy Scahill, an independent journalist who reports frequently for the national radio and TV program Democracy Now, has spent extensive time reporting from Iraq and Yugoslavia. He is currently a Puffin Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute. Scahill is the author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army. His writing and reporting is available at Rebel Reports.
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Not much courage in Congress PERIOD.
Posted by: Jay Randal on Jul 16, 2009 1:10 AM   
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Courage and Congress are not a word association that can be factual. Courage would mean that Congress would stop funding the illegal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Courage would mean Congressional Democrats voting as a group to pass single-payer healthcare, not the crap bill being foisted as reform now. Courage would mean complete investigation of everything the Bush Regime did and what Clinton did as well. Not going to happen because no courage exists in Congress.

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Wow...
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 16, 2009 2:02 AM   
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It's almost like the US has become a one-party state...

Isn't it?


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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So f***ing what?
Posted by: JimmyChang on Jul 16, 2009 2:17 AM   
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Oh no! We're assassinating terrorists?! But then they won't be able to slaughter thousands of Americans! Horrors!

If it's OK for FDR to burn the cities of Tokyo and Dresden (and Lincoln can burn the city of Atlanta), why is it so bad to put a bullet through a terrorist's skull?

Alternuts refuse to believe that the last seven years and ten months of terrorism-free America has anything to do with the PATRIOT act or the war in Iraq (both of which I am opposed to). But maybe it's because our boys in uniform are blowing away bad guys before they can blow away NYC.

Can someone please give me a reasonable explanation for the fact that there hasn't been an attack since September 11?

Only an anti-American Alternut could have a problem with killing Osama bin Laden. I'm talking to you, Jeremy.

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Same page
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 16, 2009 2:48 AM   
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Actually, the outrage is not over the assassinations, but over keeping it secret from Congress.

So Jeremy's article is somewhat of a straw man.

Nevertheless, it's good to know Jeremy agrees with the Republicans on this issue.


Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh's Kidneys Are on Fire

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Jeremy, Cheney has done so much worse than extend torture programs. He planned the 9/11 attacks.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 16, 2009 2:55 AM   
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I've told you all over and over again: Cheney will never be indicted and prosecuted for torture. He isn't the only president who has done it, and to many Americans, he did it for the best of reasons: protecting the American public.
We are wasting our time.
Stop hassling the man needlessly.

Now if you want to get him on something, get him on what may be the most despiccable action ever undertaken by an American leader: the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks, and the coverup afterwards.

We have no problem with getting enough evidence to prove he was part of 9/11. The work has already been done by people like David Ray Griffin and Kevin Ryan and Richard Gage and Steven Jones and others. All we need is for the media to bring the FACTS, and proven links to the government of complicity in 9/11. And that, of course, would be just the beginning. We would obviously want to investigate far more. And eventually the guilt would lie with our highest leaders, probably those in both parties.

And this is why you won't see the FACTS of that day EVER presented in the media, including Alternet. Bringing truth to the 9/11 story would bring down so many important people, and these important people and their allies have total control over the press. They pressure, they threaten, and they bribe the press. And the press, apparently, is devoid of people with a backbone or any ethics at all. The only innocent journalists are the journalists who are very good; they aren't good enough to have figured out that the 9/11 story is a fraud. And so they are not guilty of keeping the truth from the American people.

But journalists like you, Jeremy, ARE guilty. You purposely keep the FACTS of 9/11 from us all. You know the reality of 9/11, but ignore it. You know that an American population awakened to the truth would stop the torture programs, the wars and occupations based on 9/11 and the phoney threats of terror. But you won't do your job and bring us the truth.

We need a whole new media system. Ours, from the alternative media right to the top with the NYTimes and the broadcasting companies, are merely pawns of the big boys.

We are in a fix.
Each American should go and learn as much as they can about 9/11 truth, and we will finally realize how badly we've been treated by our media, Jeremy Scahill included.

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Time to close the School of Assassins
Posted by: greenferret on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 AM   
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The Honduran coup and revelations of secret assassination programs show that it's time to close the School of the Americas. American tax dollars should not be used to train dictators and death squads in Honduras or anywhere else.

Tell President Obama: close the School of the Americas now!

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Vague Plans
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 16, 2009 6:06 AM   
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From the New York Times, 7/14/09:

"Since 2001, the Central Intelligence Agency has developed plans to dispatch small teams overseas to kill senior Quaeda terrorists, according to current and former government officials. The plans remained vague and were never carried out, the officials said, and Leon E. Panetta, the CIA director, canceled the program last month."

On the face of it, most people won't find anything inherently wrong with wanting to go out and waste a bunch of lunatics who are hell-bent on killing as many Americans as possible. After all, we are at war - I guess. Personally, I am a pacifist and a Christian; I am against all killing. "Blessed are the peace makers....", you know what I'm saying? That being said, when Dick and Liz Cheney try to sell you on the idea that the Bush Mob were only trying to protect the American people from another terrorist attack, that argument ignores a crucial point. According to sources, Cheney - the man who put the vice in the vice-presidency - ordered the CIA to keep the existence of this program hidden from the Congress. That, as I don't need to remind you, is a crime.

Another problem I have with the Times report is this: Why, pray tell, would anyone feel the need to go through all the trouble of putting a stop to a "vague plan"? If you think about it, that makes no sense whatsoever.

I once concocted a vague plan to fire bomb the home of my Sophomore science teacher. There were drawbacks to my little scheme to be sure. At the time, my father was president of the local School Board. Had I been caught, the resulting scandal would not have done him a damned bit of good - politically speaking, that is. It's a fairly safe bet that something as weird as that would have put a bit of a kink in his reelection strategy.

But it must be emphasized that this was just a passing daydream on my part. It came. It went. And while I left high school over three decades ago, my plan to become a teenage terrorist was so incredibly vague, I never really felt the need to go to the trouble of "canceling the program", so to speak. Although this particular teacher moved out of the area back in the seventies (He may even be dead for all I know), that plan is technically still on the table. It goes without saying that I never made an effort to carry it out. But just to be on the safe side, if you're still out there, you might want to keep your night light on, Mr. Roukov. Just a suggestion.

Fun with Dick and Liz

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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When Mars rules, two parties use only 1 oar instead of two to keep the boat circling !
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 16, 2009 6:20 AM   
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Is that what Obama meant by his version of "moving forward" ? He sure as hell knows how to be slicker than even Dubya.

More evidence that "Mars rules" when a president believes he owns the right to order the assassination of other(s). A nation of laws? Bah, humbug! The Yoo/Gonzales legal Vauderville Act should put an end to the romantic notion that laws currently mean anything other than what "the leader" says they do.

Now as to Coffer Black, or Black Coffin, much like Blackwater, in their quest to put "heads on pikes," does this not smack of the same mentality of the actual Crusades? So those of you who do not believe in reincarnation, it would seem these people remain (frozen in consciousness) in something like 1320 A.D.

Gandhi's words echo: "What do you think of Western Civilization?"
"I think it WOULD be a good idea." As in, when does the civilization part actually get started?

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School of Americas
Posted by: biff777 on Jul 16, 2009 8:17 AM   
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soaw.org

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QUIETLY 'OFFING' PEOPLE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 16, 2009 8:25 AM   
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This has gone on for a very long time. Under Clinton's plan, Osama binLaden would have been gone before we even knew who he was. I believe that Saddam Hussein could have been eliminated in that same manner. That's the old way. Cheney on the other hand uses this to justify the many things he has done that are new to us. Using a pack of lies to invade Iraq for instance. Torturing people and Guantanamo. He's putting just one practice under his umbrella of things too awful to think about as a way to make himself look good. I don't think it's working. ANNA

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We kill people? Who knew???
Posted by: zipper696 on Jul 16, 2009 9:24 AM   
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"...Obama has continued the Bush targeted-assassination program, using armed drones and Special Forces teams to hunt "high-value targets."
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and your point is?

This is not some super secret mission, the strikes have been reported many times, especially when they actually get the intended victim.


My feeling is that whatever "it" was it is not simply an "Assasination Squad" since apart from the drone shots we have always been able to call upon Mossad agents to handle the up close and personal stuff around the world. We supply the intelligence, the materiel and often the transport, they provide the manpower.

As to why Panetta "only just shut it down", let's state the obvious, he only just found out about it.

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Drone attacks are for our cowardly leaders who want US policy to reflect their own cowardice
Posted by: cplot on Jul 16, 2009 10:18 AM   
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From the article:

“Former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro and others have pointed out, "The CIA runs drones and targets al-Qaida safe houses all the time." Cannistraro told Talking Points Memo that there is no important difference between those kinds of attacks and "assassinations" with a gun or a knife.”

There is an enormous difference between drone attacks and personal or hand-to-hand attacks (or better yet capture). The drone attacks indiscriminately kill many civilians and cause tremendous amounts of other collateral damage whereas conventional assassinations usually achieve a much better target-to-collateral-damage ratio. However, if we can get close enough to assassinate, then we can also get close enough to apprehend the suspects and put them on trial as the US Constitution requires.

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Missing the point
Posted by: CaliJim on Jul 16, 2009 11:12 AM   
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Let's see...the Republicans IMPEACHED Clinton for "lying" about consensual sex with an adult, but they have no problem with Cheney concealing a secret assassination program for 8 YEARS?

Aside from the stupendous hypocrisy, the spinning of the secret program into a "vague", incomplete and ineffective program that wasn't important enough to worry about is an insult to our intelligence.

A) If it was that vague and ineffective, then why did Cheney not want Congress to know about it?

B) If it's no different than what Clinton did and Obama is doing, then why did the CIA hide it from CIA director Panetta for almost 5 months? Once told about it, why did Panetta order it stopped the same day he heard about it and then practically sprint over to Congress to inform them of it the very next day? Obviously, there was SOMETHING in the program that Cheney wanted kept secret and Panetta, at least, felt was important enough to immediately inform Congress of. Maybe it went way beyond just assassinating Al Qaeda? Seems logical to me.

C) Since the program is still classified and we don't have ANY concrete details, how do we know the official cover story is accurate? Most of the "details" we have been told are speculation and often come from sources associated with the Bush administration...who we KNOW lied and lied and lied and lied to us.

D) NOBODY SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW. Breaking the law needs to have consequences, even if the program was as ineffective and benign as it is claimed (which anybody with an ounce of sense will have serious questions about)- especially when the actions of the program may, themselves, be illegal. Without effective followup and consequences, we simply set the stage for more and more serious abuses in the future.

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But for 'Merkuh's owning-class....
Posted by: DaBear on Jul 16, 2009 11:33 AM   
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We might have a democratic government based on decent principles.

Every ruling class rich guy in this nation has a major malfunction when it comes to integrity... because behind every rich guy is a crime.

Get rid of the rich guyz, clear the air, start over.

1789.

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Read it yourself!
Posted by: CaliJim on Jul 16, 2009 1:55 PM   
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Here's an idea for those who don't think a crime was committed. Read the info for yourself from the actual Security Act from 1947, instead of listening to Faux News and other "spinners".

http://www.intelligence.gov/0-natsecact_1947.shtml

Note these two sections, particularly:
SEC. 501. [50 U.S.C. 413] (a)(1) The President shall ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity as required by this title.

(e) Nothing in this Act shall be construed as authority to withhold information from the congressional intelligence committees on the grounds that providing the information to the congressional intelligence committees would constitute the unauthorized disclosure of classified information or information relating to intelligence sources and methods.

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If Obama or Clinton had a hit squad
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jul 16, 2009 2:52 PM   
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they should have aimed them at anybody in the Bush family. Would have done the country a favor. Of course any neocon will do in a pinch.

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Posted by: doctim11 on Jul 16, 2009 7:14 PM   
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Perhaps the difference is that "(Lon) Cheney" was the Vice-President. Did Gore and Quayle have their own death squads? During the Bush admin, the executive branch was upside down.

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sbassocs
Posted by: sbassocs on Jul 17, 2009 2:38 PM   
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---but Cheney wasn't the president!! ...and concealed his dirty deeds from Congress--and from Bush also?????

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freelance reporter in latin america
Posted by: spy69 on Jul 17, 2009 10:30 PM   
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I am struck with this information about C.I.A covert OPS. All this has been evident throughout latin america.I am at the moment living a true life cituation in Honduras latin America. We just had a military coup perpetrated by the U.S.A goverment openly on the 28 of june 2009. This coup was given to the democratic elected president Manue Zelaya Rosales.This coup was planned and perpetrated by the U.S. embassador to Honduras Hugo Llorens,the Honduran congress ,the elite business man, the catholic, and evangelist church,the C.I.A the Israely Mossad and general Vasquez Velazquez a garduate of the OAS school of the Americas in fort Bennet Georgia. This military school train soldeirs and officers of latin america for the past 30 years in the art of torture, assasination. This military coup was planned and executed in the U.S embassy in Tegucigalpa.At this moment the defacto goverment runed by Washington has impossed a state of siege or curfew. Peoples civil liberties have been revoked by the defacto president( a puppet) Roberto Micheletti Bain .They are stealing all the money from the central bank of Honduras.Remenber the Contra war in Nicaragua all the covert missions on assasination where done from a U.S. impossed military base in Comayagua called Palmerola.At this moment people opposed to this eligitamite goverment are been tortured and assasinated, Miami right wing anti Castro Cuban are been bought to Honduras to help with the clesing of opposition supporter , teachers, doctors , lawyers, union leaders and protesters.

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Posted by: spy69 on Jul 17, 2009 10:51 PM   
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As I stated before Honduras is being used as an experiment of the new type of military coup. Our president manuel Zela Rosales, home was shot by heavy caliber m-16 machine guns and then he was beat up abar was put over his head and sent in his pijamas to Costa Rica.His family fled to the mountains in fear of being killed the OEA the United Nation , the european union and the whole world has codemed this barbaric military coup by pulling out all their embassadors and liasons except the U.S.A and the embassodor has remaind in honduras and keeps meeting with the defacto regime which the whole world does not recognise as the new Honduran goverment, Why has the U.S.A goverment not condemed this coup and block all the funds that they give the Honduran goverment.The U.S. embassador has not met with the RESISTANCE protesters that does not recognise this defacto goverment impossed by Washington D.C.Peole have been protesting every single day sin June 28, and the resistance keeps growing but I fear that there is going to be a large massacre by the armed forces .People are apply the law in the constitution , that states the people have the right to revolt against an illigitamite goverment ARTICLE 3 of our constitution.The Israely Mossad and C.I.A have been active in Honduras supplying weapon, logistics intelligence, torturing and training of military personel.

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Posted by: spy69 on Jul 17, 2009 11:11 PM   
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CONT. The U.S.A goverment is trying to create a conflict in latin America creating a domino effect. example create a civil war in Honduras to justify their invasion of this country. They are provoking , El Salvadors, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Ecuador,Bolivia and other latin American and caribbean countries to justify starting a war in their back yard.This is to stel all this countries natural resources and create another Iraq type of war.My question is who is running the U.S goverment.The U.S.A goverment wants to steal our oil that they drilled ,caped and left as a reserve never informing the government of their find here in 1977 by a company called the Amerida Hess and Texaco. In November 2009 the depposed president Zelaya contracted and international ship that looks for oil all over the world and they found the oil in vast quantities. The true conspiracy here is THE OIL.Please look into this.

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"He who controls the present controls the past..."
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Jul 18, 2009 4:46 PM   
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Jeremy stops a little short of exploring the Cheney origins of these CIA crimes which led to their banning. During the corrupt Ford Administration, Ford, who protected Nixon from having to devulge the so called "Family Jewels" in court which may also have exposed the CIA links to the JFK assassination (the "Bay of Pigs thing"), not to mention his role as FBI snitch on the Warren Commission cover up, and Deputy Chief of Staff Cheney arranged to co-opt the CIA with their Team B when "H. W." Bush was CIA Director. Together with Defense Secty. Rumsfeld they were able to set up a cold war campaign with their disinformation team including Wolfowitz. This led more indirectly to their deals with Iran for drug money to run the later Contra campaigns under CIA director Casey. The Intelligence hearings in the House (Pike committee) and Senate (Church committee), after Ford spilled the beans on CIA assassinations to more observant media journalists then, would have revealed all these crimes going back to the 50's but thanks to Bush it was kept largely secret. (Some of this can be found in Kathryn Olmstead's "Challenging the Secret Government") The congressional and media failure then set the stage for a repeat performance 30 years later with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Junior. A good article by Lisa Pease in Consortium News ("CIA's History of Lying to Congress") details much of this that Jeremy skipped over.
Perhaps had the Democratic majority been more successful then, despite the media (Wash. Post, N.Y. Times, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.), such criminal activity we have seen ongoing in the last 20 years, most notable in the last 7 since the 9/11 PNAC false flag event, we would not now be so far behind the "curve" in trying to provide for some elementary justice.

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CIA was set up to protect us, and for us not to know!
Posted by: anneofnj on Jul 18, 2009 7:38 PM   
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Americans cant handle the truth, but I feel the truth is, these TERRORISTS killed Americans in NYC on our soil. WHY IS ANYONE PROTECTING THEM? That is my question. Why know secrets?
As far as I am concerned, terrorists should be tortured, and I don't need to know it. Anything to protect us in the future. Why is anyone arguing this? I question the logic in PROTECTING TERROISTS? And by TELL ALL, do any of you actually think the terrorists wont pay attention and learn or seek further vengeance?
Ask yourself, do you want these secrets released to protect our country or bring down the Bush era, because if it's the 2nd choice, you are so selfish! No matter the political arena, I believe what was done was to protect us.

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outrage
Posted by: hahaho on Jul 30, 2009 7:47 AM   
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Actually, the outrage is not over the links of london tiffanyassassinations, but over keeping it secret from Congress.

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Not much courage in Congress PERIOD.
Posted by: Jay Randal on Jul 16, 2009 1:10 AM   
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Courage and Congress are not a word association that can be factual. Courage would mean that Congress would stop funding the illegal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Courage would mean Congressional Democrats voting as a group to pass single-payer healthcare, not the crap bill being foisted as reform now. Courage would mean complete investigation of everything the Bush Regime did and what Clinton did as well. Not going to happen because no courage exists in Congress.

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Wow...
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 16, 2009 2:02 AM   
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It's almost like the US has become a one-party state...

Isn't it?


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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So f***ing what?
Posted by: JimmyChang on Jul 16, 2009 2:17 AM   
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Oh no! We're assassinating terrorists?! But then they won't be able to slaughter thousands of Americans! Horrors!

If it's OK for FDR to burn the cities of Tokyo and Dresden (and Lincoln can burn the city of Atlanta), why is it so bad to put a bullet through a terrorist's skull?

Alternuts refuse to believe that the last seven years and ten months of terrorism-free America has anything to do with the PATRIOT act or the war in Iraq (both of which I am opposed to). But maybe it's because our boys in uniform are blowing away bad guys before they can blow away NYC.

Can someone please give me a reasonable explanation for the fact that there hasn't been an attack since September 11?

Only an anti-American Alternut could have a problem with killing Osama bin Laden. I'm talking to you, Jeremy.

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Same page
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 16, 2009 2:48 AM   
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Actually, the outrage is not over the assassinations, but over keeping it secret from Congress.

So Jeremy's article is somewhat of a straw man.

Nevertheless, it's good to know Jeremy agrees with the Republicans on this issue.


Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh's Kidneys Are on Fire

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Jeremy, Cheney has done so much worse than extend torture programs. He planned the 9/11 attacks.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 16, 2009 2:55 AM   
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I've told you all over and over again: Cheney will never be indicted and prosecuted for torture. He isn't the only president who has done it, and to many Americans, he did it for the best of reasons: protecting the American public.
We are wasting our time.
Stop hassling the man needlessly.

Now if you want to get him on something, get him on what may be the most despiccable action ever undertaken by an American leader: the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks, and the coverup afterwards.

We have no problem with getting enough evidence to prove he was part of 9/11. The work has already been done by people like David Ray Griffin and Kevin Ryan and Richard Gage and Steven Jones and others. All we need is for the media to bring the FACTS, and proven links to the government of complicity in 9/11. And that, of course, would be just the beginning. We would obviously want to investigate far more. And eventually the guilt would lie with our highest leaders, probably those in both parties.

And this is why you won't see the FACTS of that day EVER presented in the media, including Alternet. Bringing truth to the 9/11 story would bring down so many important people, and these important people and their allies have total control over the press. They pressure, they threaten, and they bribe the press. And the press, apparently, is devoid of people with a backbone or any ethics at all. The only innocent journalists are the journalists who are very good; they aren't good enough to have figured out that the 9/11 story is a fraud. And so they are not guilty of keeping the truth from the American people.

But journalists like you, Jeremy, ARE guilty. You purposely keep the FACTS of 9/11 from us all. You know the reality of 9/11, but ignore it. You know that an American population awakened to the truth would stop the torture programs, the wars and occupations based on 9/11 and the phoney threats of terror. But you won't do your job and bring us the truth.

We need a whole new media system. Ours, from the alternative media right to the top with the NYTimes and the broadcasting companies, are merely pawns of the big boys.

We are in a fix.
Each American should go and learn as much as they can about 9/11 truth, and we will finally realize how badly we've been treated by our media, Jeremy Scahill included.

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Time to close the School of Assassins
Posted by: greenferret on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 AM   
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The Honduran coup and revelations of secret assassination programs show that it's time to close the School of the Americas. American tax dollars should not be used to train dictators and death squads in Honduras or anywhere else.

Tell President Obama: close the School of the Americas now!

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Vague Plans
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 16, 2009 6:06 AM   
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From the New York Times, 7/14/09:

"Since 2001, the Central Intelligence Agency has developed plans to dispatch small teams overseas to kill senior Quaeda terrorists, according to current and former government officials. The plans remained vague and were never carried out, the officials said, and Leon E. Panetta, the CIA director, canceled the program last month."

On the face of it, most people won't find anything inherently wrong with wanting to go out and waste a bunch of lunatics who are hell-bent on killing as many Americans as possible. After all, we are at war - I guess. Personally, I am a pacifist and a Christian; I am against all killing. "Blessed are the peace makers....", you know what I'm saying? That being said, when Dick and Liz Cheney try to sell you on the idea that the Bush Mob were only trying to protect the American people from another terrorist attack, that argument ignores a crucial point. According to sources, Cheney - the man who put the vice in the vice-presidency - ordered the CIA to keep the existence of this program hidden from the Congress. That, as I don't need to remind you, is a crime.

Another problem I have with the Times report is this: Why, pray tell, would anyone feel the need to go through all the trouble of putting a stop to a "vague plan"? If you think about it, that makes no sense whatsoever.

I once concocted a vague plan to fire bomb the home of my Sophomore science teacher. There were drawbacks to my little scheme to be sure. At the time, my father was president of the local School Board. Had I been caught, the resulting scandal would not have done him a damned bit of good - politically speaking, that is. It's a fairly safe bet that something as weird as that would have put a bit of a kink in his reelection strategy.

But it must be emphasized that this was just a passing daydream on my part. It came. It went. And while I left high school over three decades ago, my plan to become a teenage terrorist was so incredibly vague, I never really felt the need to go to the trouble of "canceling the program", so to speak. Although this particular teacher moved out of the area back in the seventies (He may even be dead for all I know), that plan is technically still on the table. It goes without saying that I never made an effort to carry it out. But just to be on the safe side, if you're still out there, you might want to keep your night light on, Mr. Roukov. Just a suggestion.

Fun with Dick and Liz

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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When Mars rules, two parties use only 1 oar instead of two to keep the boat circling !
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 16, 2009 6:20 AM   
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Is that what Obama meant by his version of "moving forward" ? He sure as hell knows how to be slicker than even Dubya.

More evidence that "Mars rules" when a president believes he owns the right to order the assassination of other(s). A nation of laws? Bah, humbug! The Yoo/Gonzales legal Vauderville Act should put an end to the romantic notion that laws currently mean anything other than what "the leader" says they do.

Now as to Coffer Black, or Black Coffin, much like Blackwater, in their quest to put "heads on pikes," does this not smack of the same mentality of the actual Crusades? So those of you who do not believe in reincarnation, it would seem these people remain (frozen in consciousness) in something like 1320 A.D.

Gandhi's words echo: "What do you think of Western Civilization?"
"I think it WOULD be a good idea." As in, when does the civilization part actually get started?

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School of Americas
Posted by: biff777 on Jul 16, 2009 8:17 AM   
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QUIETLY 'OFFING' PEOPLE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 16, 2009 8:25 AM   
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This has gone on for a very long time. Under Clinton's plan, Osama binLaden would have been gone before we even knew who he was. I believe that Saddam Hussein could have been eliminated in that same manner. That's the old way. Cheney on the other hand uses this to justify the many things he has done that are new to us. Using a pack of lies to invade Iraq for instance. Torturing people and Guantanamo. He's putting just one practice under his umbrella of things too awful to think about as a way to make himself look good. I don't think it's working. ANNA

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We kill people? Who knew???
Posted by: zipper696 on Jul 16, 2009 9:24 AM   
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"...Obama has continued the Bush targeted-assassination program, using armed drones and Special Forces teams to hunt "high-value targets."
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and your point is?

This is not some super secret mission, the strikes have been reported many times, especially when they actually get the intended victim.


My feeling is that whatever "it" was it is not simply an "Assasination Squad" since apart from the drone shots we have always been able to call upon Mossad agents to handle the up close and personal stuff around the world. We supply the intelligence, the materiel and often the transport, they provide the manpower.

As to why Panetta "only just shut it down", let's state the obvious, he only just found out about it.

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Drone attacks are for our cowardly leaders who want US policy to reflect their own cowardice
Posted by: cplot on Jul 16, 2009 10:18 AM   
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From the article:

“Former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro and others have pointed out, "The CIA runs drones and targets al-Qaida safe houses all the time." Cannistraro told Talking Points Memo that there is no important difference between those kinds of attacks and "assassinations" with a gun or a knife.”

There is an enormous difference between drone attacks and personal or hand-to-hand attacks (or better yet capture). The drone attacks indiscriminately kill many civilians and cause tremendous amounts of other collateral damage whereas conventional assassinations usually achieve a much better target-to-collateral-damage ratio. However, if we can get close enough to assassinate, then we can also get close enough to apprehend the suspects and put them on trial as the US Constitution requires.

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Missing the point
Posted by: CaliJim on Jul 16, 2009 11:12 AM   
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Let's see...the Republicans IMPEACHED Clinton for "lying" about consensual sex with an adult, but they have no problem with Cheney concealing a secret assassination program for 8 YEARS?

Aside from the stupendous hypocrisy, the spinning of the secret program into a "vague", incomplete and ineffective program that wasn't important enough to worry about is an insult to our intelligence.

A) If it was that vague and ineffective, then why did Cheney not want Congress to know about it?

B) If it's no different than what Clinton did and Obama is doing, then why did the CIA hide it from CIA director Panetta for almost 5 months? Once told about it, why did Panetta order it stopped the same day he heard about it and then practically sprint over to Congress to inform them of it the very next day? Obviously, there was SOMETHING in the program that Cheney wanted kept secret and Panetta, at least, felt was important enough to immediately inform Congress of. Maybe it went way beyond just assassinating Al Qaeda? Seems logical to me.

C) Since the program is still classified and we don't have ANY concrete details, how do we know the official cover story is accurate? Most of the "details" we have been told are speculation and often come from sources associated with the Bush administration...who we KNOW lied and lied and lied and lied to us.

D) NOBODY SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW. Breaking the law needs to have consequences, even if the program was as ineffective and benign as it is claimed (which anybody with an ounce of sense will have serious questions about)- especially when the actions of the program may, themselves, be illegal. Without effective followup and consequences, we simply set the stage for more and more serious abuses in the future.

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But for 'Merkuh's owning-class....
Posted by: DaBear on Jul 16, 2009 11:33 AM   
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We might have a democratic government based on decent principles.

Every ruling class rich guy in this nation has a major malfunction when it comes to integrity... because behind every rich guy is a crime.

Get rid of the rich guyz, clear the air, start over.

1789.

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Read it yourself!
Posted by: CaliJim on Jul 16, 2009 1:55 PM   
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Here's an idea for those who don't think a crime was committed. Read the info for yourself from the actual Security Act from 1947, instead of listening to Faux News and other "spinners".

http://www.intelligence.gov/0-natsecact_1947.shtml

Note these two sections, particularly:
SEC. 501. [50 U.S.C. 413] (a)(1) The President shall ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity as required by this title.

(e) Nothing in this Act shall be construed as authority to withhold information from the congressional intelligence committees on the grounds that providing the information to the congressional intelligence committees would constitute the unauthorized disclosure of classified information or information relating to intelligence sources and methods.

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If Obama or Clinton had a hit squad
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jul 16, 2009 2:52 PM   
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they should have aimed them at anybody in the Bush family. Would have done the country a favor. Of course any neocon will do in a pinch.

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Posted by: doctim11 on Jul 16, 2009 7:14 PM   
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Perhaps the difference is that "(Lon) Cheney" was the Vice-President. Did Gore and Quayle have their own death squads? During the Bush admin, the executive branch was upside down.

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sbassocs
Posted by: sbassocs on Jul 17, 2009 2:38 PM   
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---but Cheney wasn't the president!! ...and concealed his dirty deeds from Congress--and from Bush also?????

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Posted by: spy69 on Jul 17, 2009 10:30 PM   
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I am struck with this information about C.I.A covert OPS. All this has been evident throughout latin america.I am at the moment living a true life cituation in Honduras latin America. We just had a military coup perpetrated by the U.S.A goverment openly on the 28 of june 2009. This coup was given to the democratic elected president Manue Zelaya Rosales.This coup was planned and perpetrated by the U.S. embassador to Honduras Hugo Llorens,the Honduran congress ,the elite business man, the catholic, and evangelist church,the C.I.A the Israely Mossad and general Vasquez Velazquez a garduate of the OAS school of the Americas in fort Bennet Georgia. This military school train soldeirs and officers of latin america for the past 30 years in the art of torture, assasination. This military coup was planned and executed in the U.S embassy in Tegucigalpa.At this moment the defacto goverment runed by Washington has impossed a state of siege or curfew. Peoples civil liberties have been revoked by the defacto president( a puppet) Roberto Micheletti Bain .They are stealing all the money from the central bank of Honduras.Remenber the Contra war in Nicaragua all the covert missions on assasination where done from a U.S. impossed military base in Comayagua called Palmerola.At this moment people opposed to this eligitamite goverment are been tortured and assasinated, Miami right wing anti Castro Cuban are been bought to Honduras to help with the clesing of opposition supporter , teachers, doctors , lawyers, union leaders and protesters.

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Posted by: spy69 on Jul 17, 2009 10:51 PM   
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As I stated before Honduras is being used as an experiment of the new type of military coup. Our president manuel Zela Rosales, home was shot by heavy caliber m-16 machine guns and then he was beat up abar was put over his head and sent in his pijamas to Costa Rica.His family fled to the mountains in fear of being killed the OEA the United Nation , the european union and the whole world has codemed this barbaric military coup by pulling out all their embassadors and liasons except the U.S.A and the embassodor has remaind in honduras and keeps meeting with the defacto regime which the whole world does not recognise as the new Honduran goverment, Why has the U.S.A goverment not condemed this coup and block all the funds that they give the Honduran goverment.The U.S. embassador has not met with the RESISTANCE protesters that does not recognise this defacto goverment impossed by Washington D.C.Peole have been protesting every single day sin June 28, and the resistance keeps growing but I fear that there is going to be a large massacre by the armed forces .People are apply the law in the constitution , that states the people have the right to revolt against an illigitamite goverment ARTICLE 3 of our constitution.The Israely Mossad and C.I.A have been active in Honduras supplying weapon, logistics intelligence, torturing and training of military personel.

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Posted by: spy69 on Jul 17, 2009 11:11 PM   
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CONT. The U.S.A goverment is trying to create a conflict in latin America creating a domino effect. example create a civil war in Honduras to justify their invasion of this country. They are provoking , El Salvadors, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Ecuador,Bolivia and other latin American and caribbean countries to justify starting a war in their back yard.This is to stel all this countries natural resources and create another Iraq type of war.My question is who is running the U.S goverment.The U.S.A goverment wants to steal our oil that they drilled ,caped and left as a reserve never informing the government of their find here in 1977 by a company called the Amerida Hess and Texaco. In November 2009 the depposed president Zelaya contracted and international ship that looks for oil all over the world and they found the oil in vast quantities. The true conspiracy here is THE OIL.Please look into this.

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"He who controls the present controls the past..."
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Jul 18, 2009 4:46 PM   
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Jeremy stops a little short of exploring the Cheney origins of these CIA crimes which led to their banning. During the corrupt Ford Administration, Ford, who protected Nixon from having to devulge the so called "Family Jewels" in court which may also have exposed the CIA links to the JFK assassination (the "Bay of Pigs thing"), not to mention his role as FBI snitch on the Warren Commission cover up, and Deputy Chief of Staff Cheney arranged to co-opt the CIA with their Team B when "H. W." Bush was CIA Director. Together with Defense Secty. Rumsfeld they were able to set up a cold war campaign with their disinformation team including Wolfowitz. This led more indirectly to their deals with Iran for drug money to run the later Contra campaigns under CIA director Casey. The Intelligence hearings in the House (Pike committee) and Senate (Church committee), after Ford spilled the beans on CIA assassinations to more observant media journalists then, would have revealed all these crimes going back to the 50's but thanks to Bush it was kept largely secret. (Some of this can be found in Kathryn Olmstead's "Challenging the Secret Government") The congressional and media failure then set the stage for a repeat performance 30 years later with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Junior. A good article by Lisa Pease in Consortium News ("CIA's History of Lying to Congress") details much of this that Jeremy skipped over.
Perhaps had the Democratic majority been more successful then, despite the media (Wash. Post, N.Y. Times, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.), such criminal activity we have seen ongoing in the last 20 years, most notable in the last 7 since the 9/11 PNAC false flag event, we would not now be so far behind the "curve" in trying to provide for some elementary justice.

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CIA was set up to protect us, and for us not to know!
Posted by: anneofnj on Jul 18, 2009 7:38 PM   
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Americans cant handle the truth, but I feel the truth is, these TERRORISTS killed Americans in NYC on our soil. WHY IS ANYONE PROTECTING THEM? That is my question. Why know secrets?
As far as I am concerned, terrorists should be tortured, and I don't need to know it. Anything to protect us in the future. Why is anyone arguing this? I question the logic in PROTECTING TERROISTS? And by TELL ALL, do any of you actually think the terrorists wont pay attention and learn or seek further vengeance?
Ask yourself, do you want these secrets released to protect our country or bring down the Bush era, because if it's the 2nd choice, you are so selfish! No matter the political arena, I believe what was done was to protect us.

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Posted by: hahaho on Jul 30, 2009 7:47 AM   
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Actually, the outrage is not over the links of london tiffanyassassinations, but over keeping it secret from Congress.

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