Looking Back on the Day I Won Over Jerry Falwell

Although it happened over 20 years ago, almost everywhere I go, people still ask me to tell them about my confrontation and lawsuit with my former Baptist Bible College schoolmate, Jerry Falwell.

Falwell, in the height of his Moral Majority days, was in San Francisco the week prior to the 1984 Democratic National Convention to harass the Democrats and the fairies of San Francisco.

On July 13, he flew up to Sacramento to appear on a local live morning show, Look Who's Talking. The producer, who knew I had gone to college with Falwell, invited me to be in the audience and gave me a bunch of tickets for my friends.

I also took my mother, Gloria, whom Falwell knew well, as he and I drove every weekend of the '55-'56 school year from Springfield, Mo., to Kansas City, where we worked in local Baptist Bible fellowship churches on the weekends.

Falwell spent many Sunday dinners with his feet under our table and really loved my mother's chocolate meringue pie. She often baked two, one for dinner and one for us to take back to school. Since we usually drove back late at night, the pie often had a hard time making it to Springfield. It certainly didn't last long after we got back to the dorm.

At the time of these weekly excursions, I was 18 and Falwell was 22.

As it turned out, on the day of the broadcast there were about 100 people in the audience, and I was assigned an aisle seat. When host Jim Finnerty came around to me, Falwell acknowledged me and said, "I remember you well."

We exchanged some minor personal banter, and I started to ask him about a quote he had made about the "gay church," the Metropolitan Community Churches with which I had formerly been affiliated.

Now, the quote was published earlier in the year in the Advocate, a national gay publication, because there were two Presbyterian college professors in Lynchburg who were taping everything thing Falwell said in his public services, and they had sent it in to the Advocate.

It was a statement, which I thought he had probably uttered in a Wednesday night prayer meeting.

You can imagine my surprise when I heard it on a Sunday broadcast of his Old Time Gospel Hour.

I didn't have a VCR or even a tape recorder. I rushed out and bought a tape recorder so I could record the statement on one of his two later Sacramento broadcasts of the same sermon.

Here is what Falwell said:

"Look at the Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church, almost accepted into the World Council Of Churches recently, the National Council Of Churches almost, the vote was against them, but they will try again and again until they get in and the tragedy is that they would get one vote because they are spoken of here in Jude as being brute beasts, that is, going to the baser lust of the flesh to live immorality. And so, Jude describes this as apostasy. Thank God, this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven!"

As I tried to get the quote out, Falwell kept interrupting me and said what I was saying was "an absolute lie." As I proceeded, he became very agitated and kept denying he had said these terrible things about his fellow believers, and he really lost it when I said had a tape of him saying these things.

At this point, Falwell's face was flushed, and he was extremely agitated and offered me $5,000 to produce the tape.

I did not have the tape, as I had lent it to someone and could not get it back from them in time for the broadcast, but I did take the tape to the KCRA studios on July 18, along with an audiotape produced by the Old Time Gospel Hour.

The reporters played the tape and interviewed me for the evening news and all agreed I had quoted Falwell accurately.

To me, Falwell's vehement denials of these quotes showed a gigantic flaw in his character. Although I did get one word wrong as I quoted him as saying there would be "rejoicing in heaven when they are annihilated," when actually he used the words "celebration in heaven."