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Why the FBI Squelched an Investigation of a Post-9/11 Meeting Between White Supremacist and Islamic Extremists

Shock: It seems the FBI cares more about protecting its illegal surveillance methods than following leads to stop terrorism.
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The recent shooting at the Holocaust Museum serves as a stark reminder to us all that murderous racial and religious hatred still endures in America. One would expect the FBI to infiltrate and prosecute individuals and organizations that threaten domestic terrorist acts. But as this investigative report details, the large FBI bureaucracy, from the bottom to the very top, may well be more concerned with covering up its agents' own illegal misconduct than it is with actually protecting Americans from terrorist attack.

If the leader of the White Supremacist Organization was uncomfortable meeting the brown-skinned supporter of the Islamic terrorist group in Florida, he tried not to show it. After all, the two men had a common agenda, and in the up-coming War Against the Jews, the Islamic Extremist had agreed, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." It was January 2002 -- a mere four months after 9-11 -- and both men were intent on following up on that deadly terrorist attack with a "summit meeting" to discuss how their respective organizations could cement an alliance to cause more death and destruction in the United States and around the world.

It was the first meeting between the men. To break the ice, the White Supremacist mentioned his admiration for Adolf Hitler. The Islamic Extremist readily agreed that he shared that admiration and looked forward to joining with the White Supremacist in the goal of fomenting civil war in the USA. They both approved of suicide bombings. And they discussed how the White Supremacist Organization could launder money and provide financial assistance to the Islamic Terrorist Organization, which had already received arms shipments from Iran.

Perhaps, the Islamic Extremist suggested, they could begin by killing journalists that support the State of Israel. He was warming up quickly to the White Supremacist, untroubled by the latter's conviction that inferior brown-skinned people were destined to serve the Master White Race. "Anyone willing to shoot a Jew is a friend", the Islamic Extremist told the White Supremacist.

The first meeting went well, with neither man knowing that their friendly conversation had been recorded by a third person in the room, an informant working for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Soon, a transcript of this nasty conversation lay on the desk of the proto-terrorists' formidable opponent, FBI Special Agent Michael German, a blond-haired sixteen-year veteran of infiltrating white supremacist organizations, whose dedicated work had disrupted several attempted bombings, including an attempt to bomb a prominent African-American church in Los Angeles in the early 1990's.

Special Agent German was determined to investigate this incipient alliance before any great damage occurred to Americans. Keeping in mind Coleen Rowley, the FBI Special Agent whose detailed evidence that terrorists planned to fly airplanes into buildings before September 11th was ignored by her supervisors, German intended to make sure that his case, unlike hers, would not be ignored. If he had to, he would go all the way to the very top -- all the way up to FBI Director Robert Mueller himself.

Yet German's insistence on protecting American citizens from terrorists -- and doing it legally by the book -- eventually cost this venerable Special Agent his job. Director Mueller allowed the investigation to be squelched, with no evidence he ever reviewed the transcript of the murderous conversation between the White Supremacist and the Islamic Extremist.

Why would the Director of the FBI thwart scrutiny into this strange and deadly incipient partnership between domestic and foreign terrorists? And why would the Director cover up the FBI's refusal to investigate by isolating and punishing Agent German? Was Mueller a racist? An antisemite?

No. Mueller just wanted to protect the common lawlessness practiced everyday at the FBI. And he was willing to sacrifice American lives to do it.

In the era of J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI actively spied on civil-rights activists and those opposing the Vietnam War. They bugged Martin Luther King and set up COINTELPRO to infiltrate and disrupt civil-rights and anti-war movements. But here, where the FBI could actually spy on and disrupt a racist terrorist group bent on murdering Americans, it quickly shelved the investigation.

Why? The answer is more mundane than Hoover's machinations but, in some respects, more troubling. The FBI of today is not so much racist as it is interested in covering up its rampant illegality and its regular violations of American civil liberties.

It seems the Tampa Office had made a slight error, easily repairable, in taping the conversation between the two extremists. The third person in the room, the FBI informant, had briefly excused himself for a few minutes. (It is not clear exactly why, but presumably "nature calls," even to the most hardened of FBI agents.) But during these few minutes, the informant's hidden microphone continued to record the conversation between the White Supremacist and the Islamic Extremist.


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That's funny. My bladder is getting full right now.
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Posted by: RandPaul2010 on Jul 9, 2009 2:11 AM   
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So the whole case got thrown out, because the guy had to take a piss? Why aren't you upset about that? The civil libertarian in me hates the idea of surveillance, but let's face it, the PATRIOT Act and Bush's criminal aggressiveness are what kept us safe for the past seven years. If there had been an attack, you would've called him incompetent. The reason he stopped caring what the media said about him is that he realized, damned if I do, damned if I don't.

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» example of Zionists at work! Posted by: realtruther
» RE: kudos to Mark Levine for his courage! Posted by: buschthebearrefreshing
» do you mean John O'Neill? Posted by: realtruther
» What Israel hates most? Posted by: weathered
» RE: What Israel hates most? Posted by: Teerexness
» RE: What Israel hates most? Posted by: realtruther
» Your pudding is empty Posted by: mjglow
» RE: Let's just tell Osama bin Laden everything! Posted by: buschthebearrefreshing
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» RE: Why attack again? Posted by: xvictor
» RE: Why attack again? Posted by: Cybershaman
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 9, 2009 2:49 AM   
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"Let's face it, the PATRIOT Act and Bush's criminal aggressiveness are what kept us safe for the past seven years."

I can see you're not a professional logician. ;)

All we need here is some proof: just show us the list of attacks thwatred by the Bush Administration, or stop making false claims.

To show you what I'm talking about, here is the Clinton Administration's record against terrorism:

# PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
# Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
# Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
# Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
# Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
# Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
# Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
# Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
# Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
http://www.bartcop.com/clinton-terror-stopped.htm

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Nice deflection Mr. Levine
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 AM   
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its the CIA/Mossad elements that have infected the Dept. of Justice and the courts that concern us.

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"Guns and God", the mantra of Cowards and Heretics
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 AM   
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Not a surprise these two groups would get in Bed together.
And no doubt they both believe they are on a mission of 'higher Calling'
The indoctrination of 'Blame the jews' for the cruxification of Christ is deeply embedded in the 'Christian' psyche,As prescirbed by the ROMAN Catholic Chruch nearly 2 millenia ago. The Evangelicals love to claim they are 'Friends of Israel'- yet what friend expects you to reject your own religion and then limit the number of 'Golden' tickets available to the 'Rapture' Bus? "Sorry Ira, you are #144,001- You're Fucked". Lets remember Jesus never 'converted', He died a Jew.
As for these Neo Nazi's they clearly express their hatred of the US. Let's not miss a major point of their ideology- Our Greatest Generation fought on the Wrong side of WW2.They don't just hate Jews- they hate America. They wear their badge of Traitor on their Arms, and on their skin.
As for the White Supremeist- they are nothing more than cowards who have no confidence in their own race to 'make the grade' when faced with competition. If you see one wearing yellow shoelaces, you can bet it matches the strip running down their back and the hue of their Belly.

As for the FBI and the CIA, their long history of Anti American Actiivites make the Mafia look like Patriots. Seems a Godfather is able to Protect and defend the people far better than these outlaws with badges. Come on the FBI still calls their main Building the J.Edgar Hoover- a sociopathic paranoid meglomaniac. As for the New head of the CIA- Panetta- he's more interested in protecting the 'image' of the CIA than weeding out the Criminals in his midst. When faced wiith the liklihood the CIA LIED to Congress, instead of beginning an investigation as to who lied, and who ordered them to lie- he claims the Congress is lying. And this isn't just a Dem issue (Pelosi), but also a Repug (Hoekstra). both are Enemies of the State, and should be prosecuted as Organized Crime Syndicates.

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Here's one squelching that Alternet just doesn't seem to care about...because its about 911
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 9, 2009 4:36 AM   
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Wednesday, July 8 2009 - Research/Evidence

How the FBI and 9/11 Commission Suppressed Key Evidence about Hani Hanjour, alleged hijack pilot of AAL 77


June 28, 2009 (updated July 7, 2009)
by Mark H. Gaffney, Author of The 9/11 Mystery Plane and the Vanishing of America

The evidence was crucial because it undermined the official explanation that Hani Hanjour crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon at high speed after executing an extremely difficult top gun maneuver. But to understand how all of this played out, let us review the case in bite-size pieces...

In August 2004 when the 9/11 Commission completed its official investigation of the September 11, 2001 attack, the commission transfered custody of its voluminous records to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA).[1] There, the records remained under lock and key for four and a half years, until last January when NARA released a fraction of the total for public viewing. Each day, more of the released files are scanned and posted on the Internet, making them readily accessible. Although most of the newly-released documents are of little interest, the files I will discuss in this article contain important new information.

As we know, the 9/11 Commission did not begin its work until 2003–––more than a year after the fact. By this time a number of journalists had already done independent research and published articles about various facets of 9/11. Some of this work was of excellent quality. The Washington Post, for example, interviewed aviation experts who stated that the plane allegedly piloted by Hani Hanjour [AA Flight 77] had been flown “with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm.”[2] Yet, strangely, when other journalists investigated Hani Hanjour they found a trail of clues indicating he was a novice pilot, wholly incapable of executing a top gun maneuver and a successful suicide attack in a Boeing 757. By early 2003 this independent research was a matter of public record, which created a serious problem for the 9/11 Commission...

read more


www.911truth.org

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Mark Levine, don't act like you care about FBI corruption, unless you also research this:
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 9, 2009 4:44 AM   
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FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

8) What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.
10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?
a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/
nationworld/sns-worldtrade -50suspects,0,1825231.story

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Homeland Security Committee's shortcomings
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Posted by: sunnywater on Jul 9, 2009 4:50 AM   
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal investigators had no trouble smuggling bomb-making materials past ill-trained and poorly supervised guards at federal buildings, senators were told at a hearing Wednesday.

The committee, chaired by Lieberman, heard how Government Accountability Office investigators on 10 occasions carried the components for an improvised explosive device through checkpoints monitored by FPS guards. In all 10 cases the bomb-making materials went undetected.

"In this post-9/11 world that we are now living in, I cannot fathom how security breaches of this magnitude were allowed to occur," Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, top Republican on the committee, said.

Lieberman said the committee had originally planned to go public with the findings after the GAO issues a second report later this summer, but the conclusions "were so disturbing that we decided to air them immediately to accelerate the critical work of turning the FPS around." He said he planned to introduce legislation responding to the service's shortcomings.


What does this tell us, Alternet readers?

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Israel better Pray
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 9, 2009 5:18 AM   
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nothing happens to America.

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Oh great, Another example of responsible journalism.
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Posted by: harryf200 on Jul 9, 2009 5:43 AM   
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Yes, let's tell the World, and not least white supremacists and Islamic terrorists that they have, or had, an undercover agent in their midst. I'll bet that agent will sleep soundly in his bed tonight.

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Who knows?
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Posted by: james108 on Jul 9, 2009 6:14 AM   
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Who knows what the FBI's real purpose is these days?

Terrorism investigator John O'Neil had to resign right before 911 because they allowed the Bush Administration to obstruct terrorism investigations that led to Saudi Arabia.

They coordinate local police, in Denver at least, to spy on law abiding peace protestors.

Their latest joint police training states essentially people who lean conservative and think outside the two party system are potential terrorists to unconstitutionally spy on.

They go after low level criminals and allow the ones at the top to tell them what to do.

I know there are a few good eggs, but their continued insistence as an organization to follow corrupt leaders and put innocent citizens that really pay their check at risk is incredible. "We must protect America from people who think and challenge lawfully and peacefully". Hopefully there are enough good eggs that know what they're doing is wrong, and as long as they overlook crimes "from our side", their loyalty will continue to be abused.

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Encino - p.rand & gitarred spill
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 9, 2009 6:15 AM   
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were separated at birth.

For some deceit and guile is a choice, for others its in their DNA.

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FBI, CIA, NSA, & other alphabet agencies perpetrate false-flag terrorism more than stopping
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 9, 2009 7:26 AM   
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any true terrorism!!!

Wake-up, sheeple!!!

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Yes, many people are beginning to suspect Cheney allowed 9/11 to proceed on purpose!
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 9, 2009 7:37 AM   
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LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose

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Mr. Levine felt Howard Stern was more dangerous than terrorists
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 9, 2009 8:00 AM   
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I had listened to his radio show on WBAI for some time and he had scored credible points every now and then. But wanting to bust radio shockjock Howard Stern for mouthing off inane stuff that everyone typically expects from him is a bit much. He even admits that his own son, a cop, felt he was overboard.

Nevertheless, while crap is going on, we need folks like him to air it out.

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We are due for another attack, just in time too, for them.
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Posted by: Changling on Jul 9, 2009 8:14 AM   
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The Cabal here want our present gov't to fall, the economy is still on the skids. Every state is in arrears financially and every major city is in debt. Is this 1934 all over again? They would like that because it was under those conditions that they almost had a coup against the USA gov't. If it hadn't been for Maj-Gen. Smedley "Gimlet Eye" Butler, USMC was chosen to lead the million man army of army vets to take over the USA and join the Axis in global domination. [Glad they didn't chose disgraced Gen. Douglas MacArthur.] He went to President FDR and told him all about the plot by the richest most powerful families an corporations in the country. Like agent German, he too was fired for doing his duty. The matter was hushed up and we are here today 75 years later are in almost the same position. Only the Cabal has made sure to insinuate themselves into many areas of gov't to be sure to bring it down in carefully laid plans. [Many contingencies built in.] We aren't winning and Obama is one of them.

PS The attack on 9/11/01 failed. Haven't you seen that the "Great Satan" is in even more areas in the Middle East, not have left. That is the opposite of what the nationalists wanted, by far. We are due for another, it has been 8 years.

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American better pray
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Posted by: Changling on Jul 9, 2009 8:19 AM   
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That Israel doesn't attack Iran. That would be World War III.

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Yeah... and the CIA and NSA as well
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Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Jul 9, 2009 8:31 AM   
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"Shock: It seems the FBI cares more about protecting its illegal surveillance methods than following leads to stop terrorism."

Yeah... and the CIA and NSA.


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Where to start?
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 9, 2009 8:41 AM   
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Greedy psychopaths, under the guise of "business interests", government, and "defense" have us in a stranglehold, and are sucking the life's blood out of our people and nation.
What can be done to stop the destruction of everything we hold dear? The problems are manifold.
We continue to worship evil thieves, even to the point of FINANCING them.
The people elected to protect us from this evil are PART OF IT.
We continue to labor under the illusion that the "American Way" is the ONLY way for us and ignore warnings that this way is UNSUSTAINABLE, and even counter to our survival as a species.
Our people are the most ignorant and clueless in the "civilized" world.
So, where do we start if this is to be reversed in time to prevent a worldwide catastrophe? Is any effort toward this even being made, or are we just going to let Nature take its course, with ghastly consequences?

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Anyone trying to team up with a White Supremacist
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 9, 2009 8:44 AM   
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who is not themselves a white man will at some point, be next in line to be shot unless he/she is willing to call the white man "Master".

I don't even call my husband "master" unless (blush) that's the game we're playing that night. Even then, I struggle with it.

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cost his job?
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Posted by: kib on Jul 9, 2009 9:01 AM   
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I can't believe you can loose your job by doing the right thing. Something is wrong here.
Get Moving

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It's a good thing he was fired ...
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Posted by: ArthurA on Jul 9, 2009 9:38 AM   
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...if he actually was one of the "good" guys , he has no business at the FBI - 'cause surely all the jobs are filled with liars and murderers or those wanting to have these "skills" on their inter-office resume's .

An aside : Wouldn't it be funny if the "white supremacist" and the "Islamic terrorist" were BOTH actually provocateurs trying to recruit each other as patsies ? ...oops !

The modus operandi of these agencies after all is to Create terrorism , then claim they need MORE POWER to fight terror .

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RE: Soon to be unemployed newspaper reporter complains about AlterNet, read all about it!
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jul 9, 2009 11:20 AM   
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AP style is to have no content on a whole host of subjects. It is really interesting meeting the people they train.

Hey you forgot to mention it was also posted late, I stayed up until midnight to read AlterNet first thing and this story was not actually posted.

Just because you are jealous of AlterNet's amazingly untrained success is no reason to bash potheads in general. In fact it is racist.

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Conspiracy Theory Against Conspiracists
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 AM   
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I couldn't read the whole article because it rather read like a novel. But to me its purpose was to reinforce our fear of terrorism. Underneath the slightly new twist was the same old same old.......

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YES! Thank you!
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Posted by: BCcovers on Jul 9, 2009 10:05 AM   
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I posted a comment along the lines of this article about a month ago in response to an article on the holocaust museum shooting. In it I explained the dangers of such an allegiance and that historically, and poltically, a Neo-Nazi/Islamic terrorist cooperated attack was a possibility we should be aware of. Al-Quada and Neo-Nazis have a great deal in common and this connection should not be overlooked, thank you! If one looks beyond the simplistic view of Neo-Nazis as redneck racists (even though many are!) and look at their poltical philosophy and goals they are very similiar to the theocratic fascism that many Islamists desire. Both groups desire the destruction of the US way of life as well as system of government under which we now live.

Unfortunately, many of the responses to my comment were negative and wholly ignorant to the existence of these Nazi groups and their philosophies with regard to Arab (palestian) independence and anti-semetism. They have much in common yet many here seemed to not be able to get around the ridiculous argument of: "but hey man, Nazis would never help a brown person." Well guys they have. Just take a look in a radical mosques' library and you'll find Mien Kampf for sure. I was shocked at this fact when I visted a Boston mosque and interviewed an Imam there for a course. Right there on the shelf was Mien Kampf, buttreseed by Henry Ford's not so eloquent anti-semetic diatribe titled The International Jew. Hitler is a hero to many Islamists. We have to be on gaurd for this connection, thank you alternet for alerting progressives of this danger.

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I despise terrorism, but why aren't the Israelis seen
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Posted by: ATH on Jul 9, 2009 12:32 PM   
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For the religious extremist and terrorists they are? They have committed numerous war crimes, and only get away with what they do because of our (U.S.) backing! The Israelis government believes it has the God with a capital G given-right to steal the land of the Palestinian people while keeping this race of people in what amounts to a giant prison, under a decades-old military occupation! Their beliefs are just as insane, just as based on religion, as those of the Muslims.


No, Hamas should still not shoot rockets into Israel, even if what's being called "Israel" is really "Palestine." But the reason the rockets of Hamas hit civilians mostly and not soldiers is because they are very primitive rockets, unable to be aimed; the Israelis, by contrast, have the best American made weapons avialable--as well as also being a "secret" and "illegal" nuclear power--yet they purposefully target civilians and even children. In their latest invasion of Gaza, they used civilians as sheilds--what they always accuse "terrorists" of doing, they did themselves. Thy would take up position inside Palestinian homes and fire from there. In addition to this, they bombed schools, hospitals, Mosques, and even U.N. Selters--all clearly marked. Thousands of Palestinians--or Gazans, as some call them--were killed by depleted uranium shells (which were not needed, since the Palestinians have no armor, no tanks, no military whatsoever! Hamas has their pitiful rockets, and the rest have rocks)and white-phosphorus shells, which are only supposed to be used as smokescreens or for lighting, but when used in highly populated areas cause burns that go all the way to the bone. 15 year old minors were the majority of the Gazan population. American weapons (and some Israeli ones), used by the IDF, killed well over a 1000 Gazans, while only 13 Israelis died, and 4 of those were from "friendly fire!" Why isn't the Israeli government recognized for the fanatically religious, illegally operating, terrorist tactic using government that they have become? Instead, AIPAC makes sure Americans only hear about Hamas; but most of the rest of the world does know about what the Israelis are doing. They also know that Israel only gets away with its War Crimes because of America's support. But now America, by its illegal attack of Iraq, and torture--over a 100 to death--of Iraqi detainees (who had nothing to do with 9/11, and the torture was probably done to illicit false confessions to backstop this lie, one of the many we were given as for the reason of the illegal, pre-emptive, aggressive attack against Iraq, in violation of the laws and principles established during the Geneva Conventions and at Nurenburg. And now President Obama is failing in his duty, as is the AG, to fulfill their Oaths to "faithfully execute the laws of this nation." He can't, legally, avoid an investigation, which is hardly even needed, and the inevitable prosecution to follow. He can pardon them all if he doesn't believe they should be held to the same standards as we've held the Leaders, Judges, Officials, and Soldiers of other countries, upon whom we have imposed these laws. But I hope he doesn't expect anyone not to laugh if he ever utters his lies about how "No one is above the law!" And America--or, hopefuly just our gov't--will forever be viewed as the ultimate State of hypocrisy.

Of course, at the rate we're now consuming oil, it doesn't really matter. Every decade, we use up more oil than in all the proceeding decades. Either our President's and Congress members do not understand exponential growth, or they are lying through their teeth, or a mix of the two, which is probably the truth, which usually lies in a grey area. President Carter understood it, when he said, "here we have a classic case of exponential growth against a finite resource. For those interested in this subject, watch these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58

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Shocking? You have to be kidding!
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Posted by: rjs on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM   
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"Shock: It seems the FBI cares more about protecting its illegal surveillance methods than following leads to stop terrorism."

The only shock is how long it takes average American citizens to realize that there is no way that the governments account of 911 can be accurate in it's entirety.

911 was an inside job. And until there is a full blown investigation into whom blew up those buildings, that is what it is. An inside job. If it's not, it's up to the government to bring out the truth and answer the questions that has been asked for all these years about it. Answering to all the people whom have the education and facts to state that it was indeed an inside job or at least, sponsored terrorism. With the wanting, the need, and and the will to make sure another "Pearl Harbour" scenario was possible, with everything in place to bring down the economy and the people with it....

There is no way to take 911 at face value and anyone believing the official story is an idiot.

As the man behind the mirror states... -"pull it"
And let the money come tumbling in. And that it did, and continues to be a free for all money feast for all those that wanted it to happen.

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small potatoes
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Posted by: maxsmart on Jul 9, 2009 1:00 PM   
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I doubt seriously that they have any problem with seeing or hearing into any room they want without having to have anyone in it or bugs for that matter. But the minaturized bugs probably can go anywhere anyway....
I'd be more concerned about the covert ops myself but maybe that is just other agencies...

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Good one, I'm sure people will fall for it
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Posted by: pomes on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM   
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We are after all talking about the same braindead American public who swallowed whole the story that Iraq and Al Queda were having secret meetings and working together, too.

If they swallowed that one, I'm sure they'll swallow this one.

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Alternet=Alternative Universe
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Posted by: jnick on Jul 9, 2009 9:56 PM   
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Jezuz. I haven't looked at Alternet in months, and I realize after reading the few threads I've read tonight why I quit: teh crazies iz overwhelming.

Cheetos, anyone?

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ohhh kaaay
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 AM   
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Cannot follow this up for fear of violating their rights but yet we torture people? The logic escapes me.

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Once more for the Empty Heads !
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Posted by: Mikehunt on Jul 10, 2009 3:21 PM   
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Dear Friends and those who still think 9/11 was some Navy seal Type Top notch Terrorist strike ! You must have either had the O2 turned up to much when you were a Baby Or you get all your News and current events from Fox Broadcasting because even my 14 yr old knows it 100% Had to be a Pre-Planned Inside Job which is exactly why Bush had that Smug look on his Face the night before the 2000 elections when asked if he was worried about losing and He Smugly said No way I got this and Gave it all away with some lame Drunk Grin WE all caught on tape and Re-played a hundred times just because We could not believe the arogance of these Sick twisted Bastards .... In fact We still can't Understand how so Many Empty headed Americans still think Kerosene which by the by Burns off at between 400 and 512 Degrees and takes 2700 hundred degrees to even soften that type of Hysteel ! But for that kind of Total Building Failure it would have taken many many hours of Direct Contact Heating to create the Failures that would Put both buildings into there basements in just 56 minutes Not to mention the Few hundred lie's told and how Many CEOs just happened to call in sick that morning and lets not forget ole Barbara Olson Who was quitely arrested in europe AFTER SHE was to have been dead already in the 911 attack on the pentagon that was the well on it's way to being the biggest Joke I ever saw ! The incredible disappearing 757 Airliner that Left ZERO WREAKAGE BEHIND ! No Tail structure No Wing Spar No HUGE BILLET Main Gear assmebly No Huge GE Turbofans {Two} No 45 foot tall Tail section No Bagage and How in Holy Xmas is it possible to Board 4 Non-stops to California and NOT EVEN ONE LOUSY FLIGHT WAS EVEN HALF FULL ? When you take out for crew one flight had only 36 paying passengers How do you fly a 767 or 757 Cross country NON-STOP with 36 Paying passengers Seated ? Not one flight BUT Every Flight that Crashed was seating between 36 and 70 passengers. and if you ad up all the Paying passengers they ad up to one fully loaded 757 passenger airliner ? How silly is that people ?

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What can we take from this course of events?
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 11, 2009 11:20 AM   
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Some things are under the umbrella of there is a lot of stink in the Bush family GOP.

It seems fair to say that Sen. Grasseley did his due diligence to get to the bottom of the goings-on at the FBI. My recommendation to the senator is that he better stay off small planes.

Also that the FBI is as screwed up as the GOP and the entire Bush family.

The Bush family are closely aligned with the Saudi Royal family and the bin Laden family.

Was this course of events another attempt by the Neocons to perpetrate their fondest desire, another Pearl Harbor event, and to put them in power for a very long time by terrorizing the American people. Certainly Karl Rove and Cheney would be at the very center of these events to cause another Pearl Harbor event.

Has the FBI been so compromised by the Neocons AND the Theocons, the Religious Right wants to punish America, that they too have become pawns of these groups.

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I almost forgot--
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 11, 2009 12:13 PM   
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Anyone wanting to learn more about the white supremacist, anti-taxers(GOP) and anti-gov groups(GOP) I heartily recommend that you go to the website Orcinus and read the research and writings of David Neiwert, including his comments on other extremists like Scalia and other groups like the neo-confederates. A lot of these groups live/hideout in the wilds and backwoods of Idaho. BTW, that is where Sarah Palins family, the Heath family comes from.

Once again, as seen so often during The Bush-GOP admin. something REALLY, REALLY, REALLY stinks.

The author asks, and appropriately so, exactly why is the FBI investigating the daily lives of ordinary Americans, even such clearly pacifist groups like the Quakers when there are obvious and very real terrorist groups in America.

IOW has the Religious Right and the GOP mindset(good vs evil) so invaded the FBI that it can no longer function. Lest we forget Bush, Cheney and John Bolton hated the CIA and the UN. Given that they hated the CIA and the UN that means there are many very right wing groups in America (the AEI, The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society and many religious groups) who really hate America.

They good, and we bad! They are convinced of it.

Obama will only slow them down a bit. They will come storming back in 2010 and expecially in 2012.

Possibly the answer is, if they win in 2012 they will then continue on and do even more damage to our nation, our democracy and the democracy of the entire world. Maybe then and only then will the American people finally wake up to the endless possibilities of damage and destruction that these extremists groups can and will do.

After all the Catholic Church (my religion) aligned with Hitler and the Nazis during WWII to attack the entire free world, and we can all see how that turned out. Now the Church is tightly aligned with the GOP and the Bush family. Isn't this such obvious terrorism and a conspiracy.

I am totally convinced that the Bush family and the GOP(Cons, Neocons, Theocons) are really trying their best to either steal(our tax dollars and our freedoms)America or destroy it in some way.

GWB said the Muslims are trying to kill us because they want to take our freedoms away. I really think the GOP and the Religious Right are the ones who want to steal our freedoms. It just so convenient for them to blame someone else, the Muslims, when in all realty it is them and their corporations and rich people who really want to take our freedoms away.

Hitler blamed the Jews, Bush and his GOP are blaming the Muslims and all Americans who do not agree with them.

After all there is absolutely nothing democratic about either Big Religion or Big Business. Less democracy gives them more power and more of our tax dollar/money. They can then vent their hatred and their good vs bad agenda on all of us.

About once a week, and only when I can stand it, I listen to O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh, etc, spewing out their viciousness and their hatred. They don't even hide their obvious hatred, they are on the radio every day and on TV every evening spewing out hatred. They are an assault on America; just as Hitler, the Nazis and the Fascist were an assault on the free world. They lost then, but they are not losing now.

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FBI Protecting White Supremist Group?
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Posted by: Just Me on Jul 11, 2009 4:35 PM   
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No doubt the FBI wanted to protect itself from scrutiny and prosectution for breaking the law (including Civil Rights laws which they claim to uphold and protect) but it is also quite likely that they don't want to expose the activities and crimes of White Supremist groups because it will probably also be revealed that the FBI has a long historical connection to such groups. I have no doubt that the original FBI and possibly CIA (and every other federal alphabet group) was originally made up of Klan members.

If the tapes had only been of Muslims/Islamic groups then they would have gone full scale to make arrests even if it meant fabricating evidence to ensure conviction; this is something they have and continue to do while actual criminals that commit hate crimes go unpunished because they are White. The FBI uses informants repeatedly and those informants are usually criminals themselves and eventually will still be prosecuted for their crimes despite the assurances by the FBI that they won't.

There is no equality in the US; anyone that believes that is a fool. So as long as bigotry remains then activists will continue to keep quite busy exposing it.

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I am shocked by the level of Jew-hatred on Alternet
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Posted by: liberalsrule on Jul 12, 2009 1:29 PM   
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Wow. If there was every any doubt that violent, murderous, neo-Nazi Jew-hatred continued to exist, just read dozens of the comments above with their outlandish conspiracy and crazy lies blaming all the world's problems on Jews and the Jewish State of Israel. People wonder how "good Germans" could get so riled up that they bashed babies' heads against the walls and sent millions of innocent people, including 1.5 million children and one out of every three living Jews into gas chambers and the mass shooting pits of the Einsatzgruppen.

Anyone wondering how the Holocaust occurred need only read dozens of these comments on Alternet.

The article isn't even about Israel. It's about FBI/Government corruption/lawlessness. But it seems clear to me now that Jew-hatred is alive and well, as alive and well as racism and homophobia. But on Alternet, Jew-hatred is considered more respectable, I guess, than racism or homophobia. On Alternet, many of you love the Holocaust Museum white supremacist gunman, right?

I condemn all three. Hatred is bad. And I hope people reading these comments have the good sense to see the viciousness of the Hitler-like lies.

Jews form less than 0.2% of the world's population. There are fewer Jews now than in 1939, due to the Holocaust. Can't the few left who have survived Hitler live in peace without all of you trying to kill or slander them?

Israel, like the USA, is not perfect. But I've never seen such vitriol against any other country in the world. Neo-Nazism is alive and well here to be sure.

One things for sure, though: the White Supremacist and the Islamic Terrorist would be very proud of many of you on Alternet. I guess you folks consider them the heroes of the story and Agent German the bad guy, right?

I see, in many of you commenters, the foundations of a suicide bomber. The truth is not in hate, my friends. Live and let live. Jews, like every other people and religion, have a right to exist in peace and freedom.

Why you gotta be hatin' so much?

Peace, people, peace!

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Funny how articles such as these seem so often to be hacked!
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Posted by: Dickinseattl on Jul 12, 2009 7:22 PM   
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Maybe it's just my "parinoid style" but I often have trouble downloading in landscape the comments on these type articles, though that may just be because they're my subjects of first choice. Still, after the Bush/Cheney Rightwing paramilitary crime syndicate, now protected in large part by the Obama Judiciary, and of course all the Congressional Oversignt committee chairs, it has to be in the back of your mind, if not more to the front. There is often much to be learned from some of the better article commentaries so it's frustrating, and I'm on a Library (the Fascist firewall) computer!

The history on this national security agency is well known and seems to be second only to the CIA in the major criminal undertakings they have gotten away with, from JFK evidence distruction as well as security stripping, to suppling explosives to the undercover double agent in the '93 WTC failed bombing, to the cover up of vital contradicting evidence of explosives (or rocket exhaust residule) in fligt 800's cabin and suppression of whistle blowers, to agent identified complicity in obstruction of investigatons prior to 911 as well as afterword. You have to also wonder about those who appointed these Directors and just who they answer to, either one of them!

Of course, all along, the curiously unhelpful media and their liberal counterparts have done all they could to deny any evidence of complicity and conspiracy there, the final stake in the heart for justice and democracy here.

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The people who hire GuitarBill
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:23 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_xE8d0XLUU

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FBI and CIA are Covering Up Stock Shorts!
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Posted by: Javan on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM   
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When the FBI and CIA stops covering up for whoever had inside information and went short on the stocks that were affected by 911, the mystery will be solved without a doubt. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Bin Laden! Right after 911 it was on the news that it was the head of CIA and I don’t remember his name. A little later he was replaced and nothing was ever mentioned about it again. Now the story is that the money has never been claimed. It’s not like the lottery where you by a ticket anonymously and don’t claim it! They know exactly who went short on those stocks! They think we are all morons.

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That's funny. My bladder is getting full right now.
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Posted by: RandPaul2010 on Jul 9, 2009 2:11 AM   
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So the whole case got thrown out, because the guy had to take a piss? Why aren't you upset about that? The civil libertarian in me hates the idea of surveillance, but let's face it, the PATRIOT Act and Bush's criminal aggressiveness are what kept us safe for the past seven years. If there had been an attack, you would've called him incompetent. The reason he stopped caring what the media said about him is that he realized, damned if I do, damned if I don't.

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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 9, 2009 2:49 AM   
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"Let's face it, the PATRIOT Act and Bush's criminal aggressiveness are what kept us safe for the past seven years."

I can see you're not a professional logician. ;)

All we need here is some proof: just show us the list of attacks thwatred by the Bush Administration, or stop making false claims.

To show you what I'm talking about, here is the Clinton Administration's record against terrorism:

# PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
# Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
# Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
# Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
# Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
# Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
# Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
# Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
# Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
http://www.bartcop.com/clinton-terror-stopped.htm

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Nice deflection Mr. Levine
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 AM   
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its the CIA/Mossad elements that have infected the Dept. of Justice and the courts that concern us.

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"Guns and God", the mantra of Cowards and Heretics
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 AM   
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Not a surprise these two groups would get in Bed together.
And no doubt they both believe they are on a mission of 'higher Calling'
The indoctrination of 'Blame the jews' for the cruxification of Christ is deeply embedded in the 'Christian' psyche,As prescirbed by the ROMAN Catholic Chruch nearly 2 millenia ago. The Evangelicals love to claim they are 'Friends of Israel'- yet what friend expects you to reject your own religion and then limit the number of 'Golden' tickets available to the 'Rapture' Bus? "Sorry Ira, you are #144,001- You're Fucked". Lets remember Jesus never 'converted', He died a Jew.
As for these Neo Nazi's they clearly express their hatred of the US. Let's not miss a major point of their ideology- Our Greatest Generation fought on the Wrong side of WW2.They don't just hate Jews- they hate America. They wear their badge of Traitor on their Arms, and on their skin.
As for the White Supremeist- they are nothing more than cowards who have no confidence in their own race to 'make the grade' when faced with competition. If you see one wearing yellow shoelaces, you can bet it matches the strip running down their back and the hue of their Belly.

As for the FBI and the CIA, their long history of Anti American Actiivites make the Mafia look like Patriots. Seems a Godfather is able to Protect and defend the people far better than these outlaws with badges. Come on the FBI still calls their main Building the J.Edgar Hoover- a sociopathic paranoid meglomaniac. As for the New head of the CIA- Panetta- he's more interested in protecting the 'image' of the CIA than weeding out the Criminals in his midst. When faced wiith the liklihood the CIA LIED to Congress, instead of beginning an investigation as to who lied, and who ordered them to lie- he claims the Congress is lying. And this isn't just a Dem issue (Pelosi), but also a Repug (Hoekstra). both are Enemies of the State, and should be prosecuted as Organized Crime Syndicates.

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Here's one squelching that Alternet just doesn't seem to care about...because its about 911
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 9, 2009 4:36 AM   
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Wednesday, July 8 2009 - Research/Evidence

How the FBI and 9/11 Commission Suppressed Key Evidence about Hani Hanjour, alleged hijack pilot of AAL 77


June 28, 2009 (updated July 7, 2009)
by Mark H. Gaffney, Author of The 9/11 Mystery Plane and the Vanishing of America

The evidence was crucial because it undermined the official explanation that Hani Hanjour crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon at high speed after executing an extremely difficult top gun maneuver. But to understand how all of this played out, let us review the case in bite-size pieces...

In August 2004 when the 9/11 Commission completed its official investigation of the September 11, 2001 attack, the commission transfered custody of its voluminous records to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA).[1] There, the records remained under lock and key for four and a half years, until last January when NARA released a fraction of the total for public viewing. Each day, more of the released files are scanned and posted on the Internet, making them readily accessible. Although most of the newly-released documents are of little interest, the files I will discuss in this article contain important new information.

As we know, the 9/11 Commission did not begin its work until 2003–––more than a year after the fact. By this time a number of journalists had already done independent research and published articles about various facets of 9/11. Some of this work was of excellent quality. The Washington Post, for example, interviewed aviation experts who stated that the plane allegedly piloted by Hani Hanjour [AA Flight 77] had been flown “with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm.”[2] Yet, strangely, when other journalists investigated Hani Hanjour they found a trail of clues indicating he was a novice pilot, wholly incapable of executing a top gun maneuver and a successful suicide attack in a Boeing 757. By early 2003 this independent research was a matter of public record, which created a serious problem for the 9/11 Commission...

read more


www.911truth.org

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Mark Levine, don't act like you care about FBI corruption, unless you also research this:
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 9, 2009 4:44 AM   
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FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

8) What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.
10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?
a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/
nationworld/sns-worldtrade -50suspects,0,1825231.story

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Homeland Security Committee's shortcomings
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Posted by: sunnywater on Jul 9, 2009 4:50 AM   
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal investigators had no trouble smuggling bomb-making materials past ill-trained and poorly supervised guards at federal buildings, senators were told at a hearing Wednesday.

The committee, chaired by Lieberman, heard how Government Accountability Office investigators on 10 occasions carried the components for an improvised explosive device through checkpoints monitored by FPS guards. In all 10 cases the bomb-making materials went undetected.

"In this post-9/11 world that we are now living in, I cannot fathom how security breaches of this magnitude were allowed to occur," Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, top Republican on the committee, said.

Lieberman said the committee had originally planned to go public with the findings after the GAO issues a second report later this summer, but the conclusions "were so disturbing that we decided to air them immediately to accelerate the critical work of turning the FPS around." He said he planned to introduce legislation responding to the service's shortcomings.


What does this tell us, Alternet readers?

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Israel better Pray
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 9, 2009 5:18 AM   
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nothing happens to America.

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Oh great, Another example of responsible journalism.
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Posted by: harryf200 on Jul 9, 2009 5:43 AM   
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Yes, let's tell the World, and not least white supremacists and Islamic terrorists that they have, or had, an undercover agent in their midst. I'll bet that agent will sleep soundly in his bed tonight.

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Who knows?
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Posted by: james108 on Jul 9, 2009 6:14 AM   
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Who knows what the FBI's real purpose is these days?

Terrorism investigator John O'Neil had to resign right before 911 because they allowed the Bush Administration to obstruct terrorism investigations that led to Saudi Arabia.

They coordinate local police, in Denver at least, to spy on law abiding peace protestors.

Their latest joint police training states essentially people who lean conservative and think outside the two party system are potential terrorists to unconstitutionally spy on.

They go after low level criminals and allow the ones at the top to tell them what to do.

I know there are a few good eggs, but their continued insistence as an organization to follow corrupt leaders and put innocent citizens that really pay their check at risk is incredible. "We must protect America from people who think and challenge lawfully and peacefully". Hopefully there are enough good eggs that know what they're doing is wrong, and as long as they overlook crimes "from our side", their loyalty will continue to be abused.

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Posted by: weathered on Jul 9, 2009 6:15 AM   
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were separated at birth.

For some deceit and guile is a choice, for others its in their DNA.

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FBI, CIA, NSA, & other alphabet agencies perpetrate false-flag terrorism more than stopping
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 9, 2009 7:26 AM   
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any true terrorism!!!

Wake-up, sheeple!!!

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Yes, many people are beginning to suspect Cheney allowed 9/11 to proceed on purpose!
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 9, 2009 7:37 AM   
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LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose

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Mr. Levine felt Howard Stern was more dangerous than terrorists
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 9, 2009 8:00 AM   
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I had listened to his radio show on WBAI for some time and he had scored credible points every now and then. But wanting to bust radio shockjock Howard Stern for mouthing off inane stuff that everyone typically expects from him is a bit much. He even admits that his own son, a cop, felt he was overboard.

Nevertheless, while crap is going on, we need folks like him to air it out.

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We are due for another attack, just in time too, for them.
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Posted by: Changling on Jul 9, 2009 8:14 AM   
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The Cabal here want our present gov't to fall, the economy is still on the skids. Every state is in arrears financially and every major city is in debt. Is this 1934 all over again? They would like that because it was under those conditions that they almost had a coup against the USA gov't. If it hadn't been for Maj-Gen. Smedley "Gimlet Eye" Butler, USMC was chosen to lead the million man army of army vets to take over the USA and join the Axis in global domination. [Glad they didn't chose disgraced Gen. Douglas MacArthur.] He went to President FDR and told him all about the plot by the richest most powerful families an corporations in the country. Like agent German, he too was fired for doing his duty. The matter was hushed up and we are here today 75 years later are in almost the same position. Only the Cabal has made sure to insinuate themselves into many areas of gov't to be sure to bring it down in carefully laid plans. [Many contingencies built in.] We aren't winning and Obama is one of them.

PS The attack on 9/11/01 failed. Haven't you seen that the "Great Satan" is in even more areas in the Middle East, not have left. That is the opposite of what the nationalists wanted, by far. We are due for another, it has been 8 years.

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American better pray
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Posted by: Changling on Jul 9, 2009 8:19 AM   
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That Israel doesn't attack Iran. That would be World War III.

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Yeah... and the CIA and NSA as well
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Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Jul 9, 2009 8:31 AM   
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"Shock: It seems the FBI cares more about protecting its illegal surveillance methods than following leads to stop terrorism."

Yeah... and the CIA and NSA.


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Where to start?
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 9, 2009 8:41 AM   
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Greedy psychopaths, under the guise of "business interests", government, and "defense" have us in a stranglehold, and are sucking the life's blood out of our people and nation.
What can be done to stop the destruction of everything we hold dear? The problems are manifold.
We continue to worship evil thieves, even to the point of FINANCING them.
The people elected to protect us from this evil are PART OF IT.
We continue to labor under the illusion that the "American Way" is the ONLY way for us and ignore warnings that this way is UNSUSTAINABLE, and even counter to our survival as a species.
Our people are the most ignorant and clueless in the "civilized" world.
So, where do we start if this is to be reversed in time to prevent a worldwide catastrophe? Is any effort toward this even being made, or are we just going to let Nature take its course, with ghastly consequences?

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Anyone trying to team up with a White Supremacist
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 9, 2009 8:44 AM   
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who is not themselves a white man will at some point, be next in line to be shot unless he/she is willing to call the white man "Master".

I don't even call my husband "master" unless (blush) that's the game we're playing that night. Even then, I struggle with it.

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cost his job?
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Posted by: kib on Jul 9, 2009 9:01 AM   
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I can't believe you can loose your job by doing the right thing. Something is wrong here.
Get Moving

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It's a good thing he was fired ...
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Posted by: ArthurA on Jul 9, 2009 9:38 AM   
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...if he actually was one of the "good" guys , he has no business at the FBI - 'cause surely all the jobs are filled with liars and murderers or those wanting to have these "skills" on their inter-office resume's .

An aside : Wouldn't it be funny if the "white supremacist" and the "Islamic terrorist" were BOTH actually provocateurs trying to recruit each other as patsies ? ...oops !

The modus operandi of these agencies after all is to Create terrorism , then claim they need MORE POWER to fight terror .

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RE: Soon to be unemployed newspaper reporter complains about AlterNet, read all about it!
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AP style is to have no content on a whole host of subjects. It is really interesting meeting the people they train.

Hey you forgot to mention it was also posted late, I stayed up until midnight to read AlterNet first thing and this story was not actually posted.

Just because you are jealous of AlterNet's amazingly untrained success is no reason to bash potheads in general. In fact it is racist.

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Conspiracy Theory Against Conspiracists
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 AM   
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I couldn't read the whole article because it rather read like a novel. But to me its purpose was to reinforce our fear of terrorism. Underneath the slightly new twist was the same old same old.......

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YES! Thank you!
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Posted by: BCcovers on Jul 9, 2009 10:05 AM   
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I posted a comment along the lines of this article about a month ago in response to an article on the holocaust museum shooting. In it I explained the dangers of such an allegiance and that historically, and poltically, a Neo-Nazi/Islamic terrorist cooperated attack was a possibility we should be aware of. Al-Quada and Neo-Nazis have a great deal in common and this connection should not be overlooked, thank you! If one looks beyond the simplistic view of Neo-Nazis as redneck racists (even though many are!) and look at their poltical philosophy and goals they are very similiar to the theocratic fascism that many Islamists desire. Both groups desire the destruction of the US way of life as well as system of government under which we now live.

Unfortunately, many of the responses to my comment were negative and wholly ignorant to the existence of these Nazi groups and their philosophies with regard to Arab (palestian) independence and anti-semetism. They have much in common yet many here seemed to not be able to get around the ridiculous argument of: "but hey man, Nazis would never help a brown person." Well guys they have. Just take a look in a radical mosques' library and you'll find Mien Kampf for sure. I was shocked at this fact when I visted a Boston mosque and interviewed an Imam there for a course. Right there on the shelf was Mien Kampf, buttreseed by Henry Ford's not so eloquent anti-semetic diatribe titled The International Jew. Hitler is a hero to many Islamists. We have to be on gaurd for this connection, thank you alternet for alerting progressives of this danger.

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I despise terrorism, but why aren't the Israelis seen
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For the religious extremist and terrorists they are? They have committed numerous war crimes, and only get away with what they do because of our (U.S.) backing! The Israelis government believes it has the God with a capital G given-right to steal the land of the Palestinian people while keeping this race of people in what amounts to a giant prison, under a decades-old military occupation! Their beliefs are just as insane, just as based on religion, as those of the Muslims.


No, Hamas should still not shoot rockets into Israel, even if what's being called "Israel" is really "Palestine." But the reason the rockets of Hamas hit civilians mostly and not soldiers is because they are very primitive rockets, unable to be aimed; the Israelis, by contrast, have the best American made weapons avialable--as well as also being a "secret" and "illegal" nuclear power--yet they purposefully target civilians and even children. In their latest invasion of Gaza, they used civilians as sheilds--what they always accuse "terrorists" of doing, they did themselves. Thy would take up position inside Palestinian homes and fire from there. In addition to this, they bombed schools, hospitals, Mosques, and even U.N. Selters--all clearly marked. Thousands of Palestinians--or Gazans, as some call them--were killed by depleted uranium shells (which were not needed, since the Palestinians have no armor, no tanks, no military whatsoever! Hamas has their pitiful rockets, and the rest have rocks)and white-phosphorus shells, which are only supposed to be used as smokescreens or for lighting, but when used in highly populated areas cause burns that go all the way to the bone. 15 year old minors were the majority of the Gazan population. American weapons (and some Israeli ones), used by the IDF, killed well over a 1000 Gazans, while only 13 Israelis died, and 4 of those were from "friendly fire!" Why isn't the Israeli government recognized for the fanatically religious, illegally operating, terrorist tactic using government that they have become? Instead, AIPAC makes sure Americans only hear about Hamas; but most of the rest of the world does know about what the Israelis are doing. They also know that Israel only gets away with its War Crimes because of America's support. But now America, by its illegal attack of Iraq, and torture--over a 100 to death--of Iraqi detainees (who had nothing to do with 9/11, and the torture was probably done to illicit false confessions to backstop this lie, one of the many we were given as for the reason of the illegal, pre-emptive, aggressive attack against Iraq, in violation of the laws and principles established during the Geneva Conventions and at Nurenburg. And now President Obama is failing in his duty, as is the AG, to fulfill their Oaths to "faithfully execute the laws of this nation." He can't, legally, avoid an investigation, which is hardly even needed, and the inevitable prosecution to follow. He can pardon them all if he doesn't believe they should be held to the same standards as we've held the Leaders, Judges, Officials, and Soldiers of other countries, upon whom we have imposed these laws. But I hope he doesn't expect anyone not to laugh if he ever utters his lies about how "No one is above the law!" And America--or, hopefuly just our gov't--will forever be viewed as the ultimate State of hypocrisy.

Of course, at the rate we're now consuming oil, it doesn't really matter. Every decade, we use up more oil than in all the proceeding decades. Either our President's and Congress members do not understand exponential growth, or they are lying through their teeth, or a mix of the two, which is probably the truth, which usually lies in a grey area. President Carter understood it, when he said, "here we have a classic case of exponential growth against a finite resource. For those interested in this subject, watch these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58

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Shocking? You have to be kidding!
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Posted by: rjs on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM   
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"Shock: It seems the FBI cares more about protecting its illegal surveillance methods than following leads to stop terrorism."

The only shock is how long it takes average American citizens to realize that there is no way that the governments account of 911 can be accurate in it's entirety.

911 was an inside job. And until there is a full blown investigation into whom blew up those buildings, that is what it is. An inside job. If it's not, it's up to the government to bring out the truth and answer the questions that has been asked for all these years about it. Answering to all the people whom have the education and facts to state that it was indeed an inside job or at least, sponsored terrorism. With the wanting, the need, and and the will to make sure another "Pearl Harbour" scenario was possible, with everything in place to bring down the economy and the people with it....

There is no way to take 911 at face value and anyone believing the official story is an idiot.

As the man behind the mirror states... -"pull it"
And let the money come tumbling in. And that it did, and continues to be a free for all money feast for all those that wanted it to happen.

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Posted by: maxsmart on Jul 9, 2009 1:00 PM   
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I doubt seriously that they have any problem with seeing or hearing into any room they want without having to have anyone in it or bugs for that matter. But the minaturized bugs probably can go anywhere anyway....
I'd be more concerned about the covert ops myself but maybe that is just other agencies...

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Good one, I'm sure people will fall for it
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Posted by: pomes on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM   
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We are after all talking about the same braindead American public who swallowed whole the story that Iraq and Al Queda were having secret meetings and working together, too.

If they swallowed that one, I'm sure they'll swallow this one.

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Alternet=Alternative Universe
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Posted by: jnick on Jul 9, 2009 9:56 PM   
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Jezuz. I haven't looked at Alternet in months, and I realize after reading the few threads I've read tonight why I quit: teh crazies iz overwhelming.

Cheetos, anyone?

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ohhh kaaay
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 AM   
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Cannot follow this up for fear of violating their rights but yet we torture people? The logic escapes me.

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Once more for the Empty Heads !
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Posted by: Mikehunt on Jul 10, 2009 3:21 PM   
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Dear Friends and those who still think 9/11 was some Navy seal Type Top notch Terrorist strike ! You must have either had the O2 turned up to much when you were a Baby Or you get all your News and current events from Fox Broadcasting because even my 14 yr old knows it 100% Had to be a Pre-Planned Inside Job which is exactly why Bush had that Smug look on his Face the night before the 2000 elections when asked if he was worried about losing and He Smugly said No way I got this and Gave it all away with some lame Drunk Grin WE all caught on tape and Re-played a hundred times just because We could not believe the arogance of these Sick twisted Bastards .... In fact We still can't Understand how so Many Empty headed Americans still think Kerosene which by the by Burns off at between 400 and 512 Degrees and takes 2700 hundred degrees to even soften that type of Hysteel ! But for that kind of Total Building Failure it would have taken many many hours of Direct Contact Heating to create the Failures that would Put both buildings into there basements in just 56 minutes Not to mention the Few hundred lie's told and how Many CEOs just happened to call in sick that morning and lets not forget ole Barbara Olson Who was quitely arrested in europe AFTER SHE was to have been dead already in the 911 attack on the pentagon that was the well on it's way to being the biggest Joke I ever saw ! The incredible disappearing 757 Airliner that Left ZERO WREAKAGE BEHIND ! No Tail structure No Wing Spar No HUGE BILLET Main Gear assmebly No Huge GE Turbofans {Two} No 45 foot tall Tail section No Bagage and How in Holy Xmas is it possible to Board 4 Non-stops to California and NOT EVEN ONE LOUSY FLIGHT WAS EVEN HALF FULL ? When you take out for crew one flight had only 36 paying passengers How do you fly a 767 or 757 Cross country NON-STOP with 36 Paying passengers Seated ? Not one flight BUT Every Flight that Crashed was seating between 36 and 70 passengers. and if you ad up all the Paying passengers they ad up to one fully loaded 757 passenger airliner ? How silly is that people ?

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What can we take from this course of events?
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 11, 2009 11:20 AM   
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Some things are under the umbrella of there is a lot of stink in the Bush family GOP.

It seems fair to say that Sen. Grasseley did his due diligence to get to the bottom of the goings-on at the FBI. My recommendation to the senator is that he better stay off small planes.

Also that the FBI is as screwed up as the GOP and the entire Bush family.

The Bush family are closely aligned with the Saudi Royal family and the bin Laden family.

Was this course of events another attempt by the Neocons to perpetrate their fondest desire, another Pearl Harbor event, and to put them in power for a very long time by terrorizing the American people. Certainly Karl Rove and Cheney would be at the very center of these events to cause another Pearl Harbor event.

Has the FBI been so compromised by the Neocons AND the Theocons, the Religious Right wants to punish America, that they too have become pawns of these groups.

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I almost forgot--
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 11, 2009 12:13 PM   
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Anyone wanting to learn more about the white supremacist, anti-taxers(GOP) and anti-gov groups(GOP) I heartily recommend that you go to the website Orcinus and read the research and writings of David Neiwert, including his comments on other extremists like Scalia and other groups like the neo-confederates. A lot of these groups live/hideout in the wilds and backwoods of Idaho. BTW, that is where Sarah Palins family, the Heath family comes from.

Once again, as seen so often during The Bush-GOP admin. something REALLY, REALLY, REALLY stinks.

The author asks, and appropriately so, exactly why is the FBI investigating the daily lives of ordinary Americans, even such clearly pacifist groups like the Quakers when there are obvious and very real terrorist groups in America.

IOW has the Religious Right and the GOP mindset(good vs evil) so invaded the FBI that it can no longer function. Lest we forget Bush, Cheney and John Bolton hated the CIA and the UN. Given that they hated the CIA and the UN that means there are many very right wing groups in America (the AEI, The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society and many religious groups) who really hate America.

They good, and we bad! They are convinced of it.

Obama will only slow them down a bit. They will come storming back in 2010 and expecially in 2012.

Possibly the answer is, if they win in 2012 they will then continue on and do even more damage to our nation, our democracy and the democracy of the entire world. Maybe then and only then will the American people finally wake up to the endless possibilities of damage and destruction that these extremists groups can and will do.

After all the Catholic Church (my religion) aligned with Hitler and the Nazis during WWII to attack the entire free world, and we can all see how that turned out. Now the Church is tightly aligned with the GOP and the Bush family. Isn't this such obvious terrorism and a conspiracy.

I am totally convinced that the Bush family and the GOP(Cons, Neocons, Theocons) are really trying their best to either steal(our tax dollars and our freedoms)America or destroy it in some way.

GWB said the Muslims are trying to kill us because they want to take our freedoms away. I really think the GOP and the Religious Right are the ones who want to steal our freedoms. It just so convenient for them to blame someone else, the Muslims, when in all realty it is them and their corporations and rich people who really want to take our freedoms away.

Hitler blamed the Jews, Bush and his GOP are blaming the Muslims and all Americans who do not agree with them.

After all there is absolutely nothing democratic about either Big Religion or Big Business. Less democracy gives them more power and more of our tax dollar/money. They can then vent their hatred and their good vs bad agenda on all of us.

About once a week, and only when I can stand it, I listen to O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh, etc, spewing out their viciousness and their hatred. They don't even hide their obvious hatred, they are on the radio every day and on TV every evening spewing out hatred. They are an assault on America; just as Hitler, the Nazis and the Fascist were an assault on the free world. They lost then, but they are not losing now.

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FBI Protecting White Supremist Group?
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Posted by: Just Me on Jul 11, 2009 4:35 PM   
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No doubt the FBI wanted to protect itself from scrutiny and prosectution for breaking the law (including Civil Rights laws which they claim to uphold and protect) but it is also quite likely that they don't want to expose the activities and crimes of White Supremist groups because it will probably also be revealed that the FBI has a long historical connection to such groups. I have no doubt that the original FBI and possibly CIA (and every other federal alphabet group) was originally made up of Klan members.

If the tapes had only been of Muslims/Islamic groups then they would have gone full scale to make arrests even if it meant fabricating evidence to ensure conviction; this is something they have and continue to do while actual criminals that commit hate crimes go unpunished because they are White. The FBI uses informants repeatedly and those informants are usually criminals themselves and eventually will still be prosecuted for their crimes despite the assurances by the FBI that they won't.

There is no equality in the US; anyone that believes that is a fool. So as long as bigotry remains then activists will continue to keep quite busy exposing it.

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I am shocked by the level of Jew-hatred on Alternet
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Posted by: liberalsrule on Jul 12, 2009 1:29 PM   
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Wow. If there was every any doubt that violent, murderous, neo-Nazi Jew-hatred continued to exist, just read dozens of the comments above with their outlandish conspiracy and crazy lies blaming all the world's problems on Jews and the Jewish State of Israel. People wonder how "good Germans" could get so riled up that they bashed babies' heads against the walls and sent millions of innocent people, including 1.5 million children and one out of every three living Jews into gas chambers and the mass shooting pits of the Einsatzgruppen.

Anyone wondering how the Holocaust occurred need only read dozens of these comments on Alternet.

The article isn't even about Israel. It's about FBI/Government corruption/lawlessness. But it seems clear to me now that Jew-hatred is alive and well, as alive and well as racism and homophobia. But on Alternet, Jew-hatred is considered more respectable, I guess, than racism or homophobia. On Alternet, many of you love the Holocaust Museum white supremacist gunman, right?

I condemn all three. Hatred is bad. And I hope people reading these comments have the good sense to see the viciousness of the Hitler-like lies.

Jews form less than 0.2% of the world's population. There are fewer Jews now than in 1939, due to the Holocaust. Can't the few left who have survived Hitler live in peace without all of you trying to kill or slander them?

Israel, like the USA, is not perfect. But I've never seen such vitriol against any other country in the world. Neo-Nazism is alive and well here to be sure.

One things for sure, though: the White Supremacist and the Islamic Terrorist would be very proud of many of you on Alternet. I guess you folks consider them the heroes of the story and Agent German the bad guy, right?

I see, in many of you commenters, the foundations of a suicide bomber. The truth is not in hate, my friends. Live and let live. Jews, like every other people and religion, have a right to exist in peace and freedom.

Why you gotta be hatin' so much?

Peace, people, peace!

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Funny how articles such as these seem so often to be hacked!
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Posted by: Dickinseattl on Jul 12, 2009 7:22 PM   
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Maybe it's just my "parinoid style" but I often have trouble downloading in landscape the comments on these type articles, though that may just be because they're my subjects of first choice. Still, after the Bush/Cheney Rightwing paramilitary crime syndicate, now protected in large part by the Obama Judiciary, and of course all the Congressional Oversignt committee chairs, it has to be in the back of your mind, if not more to the front. There is often much to be learned from some of the better article commentaries so it's frustrating, and I'm on a Library (the Fascist firewall) computer!

The history on this national security agency is well known and seems to be second only to the CIA in the major criminal undertakings they have gotten away with, from JFK evidence distruction as well as security stripping, to suppling explosives to the undercover double agent in the '93 WTC failed bombing, to the cover up of vital contradicting evidence of explosives (or rocket exhaust residule) in fligt 800's cabin and suppression of whistle blowers, to agent identified complicity in obstruction of investigatons prior to 911 as well as afterword. You have to also wonder about those who appointed these Directors and just who they answer to, either one of them!

Of course, all along, the curiously unhelpful media and their liberal counterparts have done all they could to deny any evidence of complicity and conspiracy there, the final stake in the heart for justice and democracy here.

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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 12, 2009 7:23 PM   
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