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Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents?
June 30, 2009 |
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Recently, an American Civil Liberties Union report pointed out, "Anti-terrorism training materials currently being used by the Department of Defense (DoD) teach its personnel that free expression in the form of public protests should be regarded as ‘low level terrorism’.”
Although DoD officials removed the offensive section at the urging of ACLU members, the DoD stance is still troubling since a longstanding practice to designate peaceful, law-abiding activists as dangerous and treasonable still exists in many government departments and agencies.
Indeed the participants of the first antiwar protest against the Vietnam incursion, put together in the mid-1960's using Gandhi's Salt March as a model for a nonviolent demonstration, faced government operatives filming them face by face from rooftops as they moved en masse down Broadway to the UN Plaza.
(My mother, a pacifist married to a World War II Conscientious Objector, and I, a child at the time of the march, both were in attendance. When the film crew focused on us, she stood tall, faced the agents with their telephoto lens, glared in disdainful defiance and, simultaneously, threw the corner of her coat over my face. Afterwards, she muttered, "How dare they try to intimidate us!")
With that history in mind, it shouldn’t be assumed that the treatment of Nobel Peace Award winner Aung San Sui Kyi in Myanmar would be all that different if she were leading protests in the United States. While it's commendable that U.S. spokespersons object to her most recent arrest, they still might seem to be a bunch of hypocrites.
For instance, a number of Nobel Peace Award recipients, such as the American Friends Service Committee (AFSC), have had difficulties of their own on American soil.
"AFSC’s work, always open and resolutely nonviolent, has been under government surveillance for decades. The Service Committee secured nearly 1,700 pages of files from the FBI under a Freedom of Information request in 1976,” the AFSC said in seeking more recent “war on terror” records.
“These [earlier] files show that the FBI kept files on AFSC that dated back to 1921. Ten other federal agencies kept files on AFSC, including the CIA, Air Force, Navy, Internal Revenue Service, Secret Service, and the State Department. The CIA has intercepted overseas mail and cables in the 1950s, and some AFSC offices (and even its staff's homes) have been infiltrated and burglarized in the late 1960s into the 1970s."
AFSC associate general secretary for justice and human rights, Joyce Miller, asked, “How can we speak of spreading democracy in Iraq while dismantling it here at home?” She further remarked, “Political dissent is fundamental to a free and democratic society. It should not be equated with crime.”
Add to the AFSC problems, those pertaining to Nobel Peace Award recipient Nelson Mandela, who only a year ago had the designation "terrorist" removed from his name, under protest by the State Department, so that he no longer suffered travel restrictions from the U.S. government.
Yet his travel curtailment was not nearly as awful as was Ramzy Baroud's blockage. He, the editor of Palestine Chronicle, had his U.S. passport seized by a consular officer at an overseas American Embassy. Similarly, Sen.Edward Kennedy was, also, flagged by the U.S. no-fly list.
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Government/media demonizing of 9/11 truthers
Posted by: whole2th on Jun 30, 2009 2:13 AM
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Posted by: whole2th on Jun 30, 2009 2:13 AM
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9/11 Truthers (also known as 9/11 factualists) have been falsely linked to terrorist groups, white supremacists groups and even Al CIAda by pundits like Glenn Beck and even Obama.
To deny the official story of 9/11 is akin to being a holocaust denier according to Obama in his Cairo speech to the world.
That the 9/11 official story is a lie is no longer in question--except in the propaganda and ridicule by the GuitarBill's of the world.
9/11 was an inside job--and those of us who lead this message are vilified and ridiculed, using government agencies to "profile" us as enemies of the state. In my own state, Missouri, the MIAC document names 9/11 truth movement as a potential domestic terrorist group.
King George's proclamations of who were terrorists had the same theme: those who undermine the ruthless lies and deceptions are enemies of those lies and deceptions.
"Truth lives a wretched life, but it outlives a lie every time!"
"Have I now become your enemy for telling you the truth?" Gal 5:12
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels (GuitarBill is likely a fan of Goebbels)
"Hell is truth seen too late...duty neglected in its season."- Tryon Edwards
The pattern of killing truth becomes quite clear when we see who was behind 9/11 and the coverup. Watch the movie, 9/11 Missing Links . Ask yourself why the attack on the USS Liberty was TOP SECRET and learn about the Lavon Affair. The real evildoers can be known by their works, right GuitarBill?
See the players who orchestrated 9/11 at http://whodidit.org/cocon.html
And, for beginners, there is http://ae911truth.org and for those less inclined to scientific evidence, try Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth.
To deny the official story of 9/11 is akin to being a holocaust denier according to Obama in his Cairo speech to the world.
That the 9/11 official story is a lie is no longer in question--except in the propaganda and ridicule by the GuitarBill's of the world.
9/11 was an inside job--and those of us who lead this message are vilified and ridiculed, using government agencies to "profile" us as enemies of the state. In my own state, Missouri, the MIAC document names 9/11 truth movement as a potential domestic terrorist group.
King George's proclamations of who were terrorists had the same theme: those who undermine the ruthless lies and deceptions are enemies of those lies and deceptions.
"Truth lives a wretched life, but it outlives a lie every time!"
"Have I now become your enemy for telling you the truth?" Gal 5:12
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels (GuitarBill is likely a fan of Goebbels)
"Hell is truth seen too late...duty neglected in its season."- Tryon Edwards
The pattern of killing truth becomes quite clear when we see who was behind 9/11 and the coverup. Watch the movie, 9/11 Missing Links . Ask yourself why the attack on the USS Liberty was TOP SECRET and learn about the Lavon Affair. The real evildoers can be known by their works, right GuitarBill?
See the players who orchestrated 9/11 at http://whodidit.org/cocon.html
And, for beginners, there is http://ae911truth.org and for those less inclined to scientific evidence, try Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth.
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» RE: Yes, Emily Spence..........it won't stop until the lies of 911 are exposed.
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» RE: Government/media demonizing of 9/11 truthers
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» What an insult!
Posted by: hotar
» hotar....Vedic sacrificial priest--or Judas Goat?
Posted by: whole2th
» RE: Government/media demonizing of 9/11 truthers
Posted by: EncinoM
» "9/11 factualists"? Bullsh*t! Try "911 Denier", conspiranoid.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yo Conspiranoid! Who is David Ray Grifter, and why is he connected to so many neo-Nazis?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yo conspiranoid! Why do you use video fakery to lie to the American public?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» What do REAL Structural Engineers have to say about 911. (Peer Reviewed Papers, not conspiranoid BS)
Posted by: GuitarBill
» "911 Mysteries--Demolitions" a "documentary" produced by Sophia Shafquat? Bunk! Propaganda! Lies!
Posted by: GuitarBill
» "911 Missing Links" was produced by prothink.org, a neo-Nazi organization.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Please excuse the typo
Posted by: GuitarBill
» No excuses, fool.
Posted by: mdarlinggg
» 'Fool' should be spelled, 'dumbass'.
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» Yes, and "mdarlinggg" is pronounced microcephalic moron.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» That's correct. For you there is no excuse.
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» RE: IT IS GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE...
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They targeted truth tellers
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Jun 30, 2009 4:30 AM
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Jun 30, 2009 4:30 AM
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Meria Heller's son was arrested falsely on drug charges. She has a web radio program. They have dragged the case on and on with court appearances causing her financial distress. Lawyers are expensive.
Wayne Madison journalist and investigator was arrested and then the case dropped for now.
Both targets of our government and police. I'd like to believe it is untrue but I can't after their "terrorist" arrests and lies. We don't have freedom of the press after all. Only corporate voices are allowed in America.
Wayne Madison journalist and investigator was arrested and then the case dropped for now.
Both targets of our government and police. I'd like to believe it is untrue but I can't after their "terrorist" arrests and lies. We don't have freedom of the press after all. Only corporate voices are allowed in America.
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chasp
Posted by: chaspack on Jun 30, 2009 4:38 AM
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Posted by: chaspack on Jun 30, 2009 4:38 AM
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Glad to see this article. Amazing how the mainstream media cannot see the hypocrisy of people like John McCain, Lindsay Graham and even Pres. Obama when they protest the crackdown of the Iranian government on demonstrators, but had nothing to say when protesters and demonstrators at the Republican and Democratic conventions (especially in 2008 and 2004) were isolated, arrested and jailed for expressing themselves.
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Original Intent
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jun 30, 2009 5:34 AM
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jun 30, 2009 5:34 AM
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We've heard a lot of discussion about how today's Supreme Court should interpret the Constitution according to its original intent. Of course it is often difficult to determine what that original intent might be and, ironically, it is difficult to say that the founders' original intent was that the Constitution always be interpreted according to original intent. However, I would argue that we could do worse than to return to interpreting the Constitution according to its original intent.
It does seem clear that the original intent of the first amendment was pretty clear. It really meant that Congress should pass no law restricting the freedom of people to say what they want to say and that it should pass no law restricting peoples' right to assemble, even if the peoples intent did not fall in line with government policy. In fact, it is pretty clear that the founders knew that this was precisely when this right was important.
People may differ on whether the founders intended that free speech included the making of campaign donations, but it seems pretty clear that what it meant by people was restricted to flesh-and-blood people and not corporations.
We could do worse than to return to interpreting the Constitution according to its original intent.
It does seem clear that the original intent of the first amendment was pretty clear. It really meant that Congress should pass no law restricting the freedom of people to say what they want to say and that it should pass no law restricting peoples' right to assemble, even if the peoples intent did not fall in line with government policy. In fact, it is pretty clear that the founders knew that this was precisely when this right was important.
People may differ on whether the founders intended that free speech included the making of campaign donations, but it seems pretty clear that what it meant by people was restricted to flesh-and-blood people and not corporations.
We could do worse than to return to interpreting the Constitution according to its original intent.
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» RE: Original Intent
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» RE: Original Intent
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» RE: Original Intent
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» RE: Original Intent
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» RE: Original Intent
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» Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad
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» Belated thanks for the info
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electronic surveillance
Posted by: vasumurti on Jun 30, 2009 7:06 AM
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Posted by: vasumurti on Jun 30, 2009 7:06 AM
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(Movie actors and/or directors don't have hidden cameras following them into the toilet.)
In his 1992 book, Visions of Liberty, former Executive Director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser writes:
"The use of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping emerged during the Prohibition era. Roy Olmstead was a suspected bootlegger whom the government wished to search. It placed taps in the basement of his office building and on wires in the streets near his home. No physical entry into his office or home took place. Olmstead was convicted entirely on the basis of evidence from the wiretaps.
"In his appeal to the Supreme Court, Olmstead argued that the taps were a search conducted without a warrant and without probable cause, and that the evidence seized against him should have been excluded because it was illegally gathered. He also argued that his Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against himself was violated.
"By a 5-4 vote, the Court rejected his arguments and upheld the government's power to wiretap without limit and without any Fourth Amendment restrictions, on the grounds that no actual physical intrusion had taken place.
"Olmstead's Fifth Amendment claim was also dismissed on the grounds that he had not been compelled to talk on the telephone, but had done so voluntarily. Thus the Court upheld the government's power to do by trickery and surreptitious means what it was not permitted to do honestly and openly. It wasn't until 1967, in a similar case involving gambling, that the Court overruled the Olmstead decision by an 8-1 margin and recognized that the Fourth Amendment applied to wiretapping and electronic surveillance.
"Interestingly, these cases arose in the context of crimes like bootlegging and gambling. During the past twenty years, the majority of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping by both state and federal officials has been in cases involving drug dealing and gambling.
"Serious crimes of violence, such as homicide, assault, rape, robbery, and burglary, are rarely the target of electronic eavesdropping, which is not normally a useful tool in such cases.
"From the beginning, when wiretapping was virtually invented to enforce laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, to the late 1960s, when gambling was a major target, to the present, when the use and sale of drugs other than alcohol are the main target, these intrusive devices have been used mostly to enforce laws aimed at punishing and proscribing personal conduct that society deems immoral.
"Because such conduct essentially involves private activities among consenting adults who are all likely to want to keep those activities secret, they are harder to investigate and prosecute than crimes like robbery or burglary, in which an unwilling victim will probably aid any investigation...the invasion of privacy inherent in wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping remains with us as part of the legacy of our attempts to criminalize personal conduct.
"The other major use of electronic eavesdropping has been to punish political dissent. For decades, former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover used wiretaps and other electronic devices to spy on political figures and citizens not yet suspected of having committed a crime. He built vast dossiers on their political activities and personal lives. Special units of local police called 'Red Squads' did the same."
In his 1992 book, Visions of Liberty, former Executive Director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser writes:
"The use of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping emerged during the Prohibition era. Roy Olmstead was a suspected bootlegger whom the government wished to search. It placed taps in the basement of his office building and on wires in the streets near his home. No physical entry into his office or home took place. Olmstead was convicted entirely on the basis of evidence from the wiretaps.
"In his appeal to the Supreme Court, Olmstead argued that the taps were a search conducted without a warrant and without probable cause, and that the evidence seized against him should have been excluded because it was illegally gathered. He also argued that his Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against himself was violated.
"By a 5-4 vote, the Court rejected his arguments and upheld the government's power to wiretap without limit and without any Fourth Amendment restrictions, on the grounds that no actual physical intrusion had taken place.
"Olmstead's Fifth Amendment claim was also dismissed on the grounds that he had not been compelled to talk on the telephone, but had done so voluntarily. Thus the Court upheld the government's power to do by trickery and surreptitious means what it was not permitted to do honestly and openly. It wasn't until 1967, in a similar case involving gambling, that the Court overruled the Olmstead decision by an 8-1 margin and recognized that the Fourth Amendment applied to wiretapping and electronic surveillance.
"Interestingly, these cases arose in the context of crimes like bootlegging and gambling. During the past twenty years, the majority of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping by both state and federal officials has been in cases involving drug dealing and gambling.
"Serious crimes of violence, such as homicide, assault, rape, robbery, and burglary, are rarely the target of electronic eavesdropping, which is not normally a useful tool in such cases.
"From the beginning, when wiretapping was virtually invented to enforce laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, to the late 1960s, when gambling was a major target, to the present, when the use and sale of drugs other than alcohol are the main target, these intrusive devices have been used mostly to enforce laws aimed at punishing and proscribing personal conduct that society deems immoral.
"Because such conduct essentially involves private activities among consenting adults who are all likely to want to keep those activities secret, they are harder to investigate and prosecute than crimes like robbery or burglary, in which an unwilling victim will probably aid any investigation...the invasion of privacy inherent in wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping remains with us as part of the legacy of our attempts to criminalize personal conduct.
"The other major use of electronic eavesdropping has been to punish political dissent. For decades, former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover used wiretaps and other electronic devices to spy on political figures and citizens not yet suspected of having committed a crime. He built vast dossiers on their political activities and personal lives. Special units of local police called 'Red Squads' did the same."
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So how is the US different from Iran
Posted by: harpy on Jun 30, 2009 7:13 AM
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Posted by: harpy on Jun 30, 2009 7:13 AM
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in this aspect? The government arrests people before demonstrations "in case" they might do something violent, arrests and detains Americans en masse for peacefully demonstrating, and then holds them for days. Police taze 72 year old women, and shoot innocent people and get away with it. They taze someone for speaking out during a speech and John Kerry says nothing. They taze people and kill them with no retribution.
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Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents?
Posted by: Zimbly on Jun 30, 2009 7:35 AM
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Posted by: Zimbly on Jun 30, 2009 7:35 AM
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Emily, Emily , Emily..wake up and smell the Fascism..... this "wheel" has been rolling for sometime now...where have you been all these years?
How about HR 675 for starters..
try reading this..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14160
And if that doesn't raise your hackles..let me lay out for ya.
In...say..maybe 5 to 10 years there will be another " HR"..lets say HR 923..this one will also be about security and terrorism but this is how it will read....
for security reasons, all citizens of the USA will be required to submit to having a RIF chip implanted and biometric data acquired, Failiure to do this will mean:
1)you will not be allowed in public places
2) you will not be permitted employment
3) your "cards" will be suspened"
4) access to food and basic necessities "suspended"
Get the idea...right now we are fools enough to believe we have freedom and privacy, this couldn't be farther from the truth.
So why would a Gov't start leaning more and more towards fascism? Because it wants more power and MORE control..thats where this is heading.......don't like it?..then start writing your congressman
This "PLAN" has been in the works for a longggggggggggg time....do me a favor and wake up.
How about HR 675 for starters..
try reading this..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14160
And if that doesn't raise your hackles..let me lay out for ya.
In...say..maybe 5 to 10 years there will be another " HR"..lets say HR 923..this one will also be about security and terrorism but this is how it will read....
for security reasons, all citizens of the USA will be required to submit to having a RIF chip implanted and biometric data acquired, Failiure to do this will mean:
1)you will not be allowed in public places
2) you will not be permitted employment
3) your "cards" will be suspened"
4) access to food and basic necessities "suspended"
Get the idea...right now we are fools enough to believe we have freedom and privacy, this couldn't be farther from the truth.
So why would a Gov't start leaning more and more towards fascism? Because it wants more power and MORE control..thats where this is heading.......don't like it?..then start writing your congressman
This "PLAN" has been in the works for a longggggggggggg time....do me a favor and wake up.
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» Right-on, brother Z...
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» Where To Start
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The Truth Project
Posted by: EinMD on Jun 30, 2009 7:41 AM
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 30, 2009 7:41 AM
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No no the Focus on the Family bullshit...
Let us not forget the Florida based anti-war organization The Truth Project
Is the Pentagon Spying on Americans? MSNBC (Dec . 14, 2005)
Pentagon accused of Spying on Americans - CS Monitor December 15, 2005
During the Bush administration this organization was systematically demonized and treated like criminals in their own country. They had their meetings infiltrated and filmed, their phones tapped, their emails and snail mails intercepted, their offices and homes ransacked and burglarized.
Their crime was that they distribute pamplets to local colleges and highschools describing what it is actually like serving in the military. Not all that "be all you can be" bullshit you hear from the recruiters. But the real down and dirty details not only about how you live but how they treat you.
Back in 2006 they testified to this fact before Congress along with former assistant attorney general under Reagan, Bruce Fein that the steps that were being taken by the Bush administration to override, undermine and ignore FISA were unprecedented, unlawful and unnecessary and that the administration was treating law abiding US citizens as criminals in their own country for no other reason than holding opinions they did not like.
These Truth Project people are predominantly college students, grand parents and retirees and follow the Quaker philosophy that all war is wrong. They are the true patriots here and the people in the NSA and military intelligence that were abusing them are fucking traitors. Yet no one has ever been arrested and Congress has ordered no investigation. Hell Barack O'Bama voted to immunize the telecoms for their part in domestic spying and has YET to even bring charges against ANY Bush official for ordering it the in first place.
Let us not forget the Florida based anti-war organization The Truth Project
Is the Pentagon Spying on Americans? MSNBC (Dec . 14, 2005)
Pentagon accused of Spying on Americans - CS Monitor December 15, 2005
During the Bush administration this organization was systematically demonized and treated like criminals in their own country. They had their meetings infiltrated and filmed, their phones tapped, their emails and snail mails intercepted, their offices and homes ransacked and burglarized.
Their crime was that they distribute pamplets to local colleges and highschools describing what it is actually like serving in the military. Not all that "be all you can be" bullshit you hear from the recruiters. But the real down and dirty details not only about how you live but how they treat you.
Back in 2006 they testified to this fact before Congress along with former assistant attorney general under Reagan, Bruce Fein that the steps that were being taken by the Bush administration to override, undermine and ignore FISA were unprecedented, unlawful and unnecessary and that the administration was treating law abiding US citizens as criminals in their own country for no other reason than holding opinions they did not like.
These Truth Project people are predominantly college students, grand parents and retirees and follow the Quaker philosophy that all war is wrong. They are the true patriots here and the people in the NSA and military intelligence that were abusing them are fucking traitors. Yet no one has ever been arrested and Congress has ordered no investigation. Hell Barack O'Bama voted to immunize the telecoms for their part in domestic spying and has YET to even bring charges against ANY Bush official for ordering it the in first place.
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They do it because they can.
Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 AM
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Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 AM
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Why do you think there's any other reason?
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» whoa man thats deep.
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Max Obuszewski, Richard Koman & civil/human rights...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 30, 2009 9:57 AM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 30, 2009 9:57 AM
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You might wish to listen to 2 fascinating podcast interviews with:
Baltimore NonViolence Center's Max Obuszewski as he discusses HOW HIS RIGHTS WERE ABUSED by government & police investigations that compromised his privacy rights...
because he is a pacifist activist.
May 13th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Jan 25th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Either you defend your hard-won human rights... or they WILL be taken from all of us.
united we stand
divided we grovel.
Might I also suggest the interview last week, Jun 26th, 2009, from ZDNet's Richard Koman, regarding China's (now delayed) massively privacy-violating Green Dam project??
perspective, people.
Perspective.
The Jeff Farias Show: streams FREE & LIVE Mon-Fri, 6-9pmEDT
FREE podcast
"... tolerance of intolerance is cowardice..." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence." ... "Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle" – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
Baltimore NonViolence Center's Max Obuszewski as he discusses HOW HIS RIGHTS WERE ABUSED by government & police investigations that compromised his privacy rights...
because he is a pacifist activist.
May 13th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Jan 25th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Either you defend your hard-won human rights... or they WILL be taken from all of us.
united we stand
divided we grovel.
Might I also suggest the interview last week, Jun 26th, 2009, from ZDNet's Richard Koman, regarding China's (now delayed) massively privacy-violating Green Dam project??
perspective, people.
Perspective.
The Jeff Farias Show: streams FREE & LIVE Mon-Fri, 6-9pmEDT
FREE podcast
"... tolerance of intolerance is cowardice..." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence." ... "Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle" – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
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this is a
Posted by: Juven on Jun 30, 2009 10:54 AM
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Posted by: Juven on Jun 30, 2009 10:54 AM
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no brainer: we live in a proto-police state.
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It's gone
Posted by: willymack on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 AM
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Any semblence to democracy that we may have had is gone. The disappearance of what we once had began with president Aged Doofus (1984-92), and was picked up by Caligula (2000-08), after an eight year interlude of peace and prosperity.
How to get it back? I don't claim to have an answer to that, other than this: We can't wait for someone to come to the rescue, we've got to do this OURSELVES.
How to get it back? I don't claim to have an answer to that, other than this: We can't wait for someone to come to the rescue, we've got to do this OURSELVES.
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"Little Guantanamos"
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 30, 2009 2:06 PM
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Have you heard about these?
These quasi-secret prisons are known as "Communications Management Units" (CMU's), and exist around the US. Most of their prisoners are Muslims, some are property-destruction-only criminals such as animal rights activists and so-called "eco-terrorists".
Most of the prisoners at these units are considered by some, at least, to be political prisoners.
Communication within the prison and with the outside is highly restricted.
Here's a link without the http part.
colorado.indymedia.org/node/1805
I first heard about CMUs on Democracy Now.
It's no wonder the mainstream media hasn't reported on this, is it?
These quasi-secret prisons are known as "Communications Management Units" (CMU's), and exist around the US. Most of their prisoners are Muslims, some are property-destruction-only criminals such as animal rights activists and so-called "eco-terrorists".
Most of the prisoners at these units are considered by some, at least, to be political prisoners.
Communication within the prison and with the outside is highly restricted.
Here's a link without the http part.
colorado.indymedia.org/node/1805
I first heard about CMUs on Democracy Now.
It's no wonder the mainstream media hasn't reported on this, is it?
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Well...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 30, 2009 4:57 PM
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To answer the title question...
... all the same reasons every other nation that ever has done so did so.
... all the same reasons every other nation that ever has done so did so.
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Dumb question
Posted by: Gonnuts on Jun 30, 2009 5:23 PM
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Posted by: Gonnuts on Jun 30, 2009 5:23 PM
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Our country continues to accelerate harassment, arrest and silencing of dissent because we're now one of the top Police States in the world and this will only continue to get worse as this lying president continues to do the bidding for the corporate cronies and banksters he really works for.
Welcome to the United Banks of America.
Welcome to the United Banks of America.
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Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents?
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 30, 2009 11:32 PM
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Because that's what totalitarian, fascist governments do, even budding ones like this one. Dissidents can affect the bottom lines of some corporations badly, and to a fascist government, that is THE cardinal sin. As soon as they can swing it they'll begin using slavery as an official penalty - to repay the corporation(s) "robbed" by the criminal's actions. And of course, public executions that even, or especially, children will be required to watch (get 'em acclimated to it) will (public reason) help provide a disincentive for criminality (it never has before, but they're insane, remember); (true reason: it'll help cut down on a too large population of "useless eaters" who might otherwise cost money better placed elsewhere (in "Elite"/corporate pockets).
Ian
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Tragic article,but you forgot to mention how the FBI ties into all this.
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 PM
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Surveilance against activist often has a racist tinge to it.Its no secret that J. Edgar Hoover was a disgusting racist who,from the 1940s to the 1970s, raged a violent war against the Black civil rights groups,from Martin Luther King to Malcolm X,from the Freedom Riders to the Black Panthers,from the most dedicated pacifist to the most anti-government militants.
Through an organization called the Counter Intelligence Program(Cointelpro) Hoover raged a war that consisted of murdering key Black activist,disinformation,harassment,death threats,spying,blackmail,infiltration, and other reprehensible and illegal tactics.
The greastest victims of Cointelpro were the Black Panther Party. Cointelpro began forging letters to spread among the Panthers and a Black activist group the United Slave organization,based in Los Angeles, to start a war between the two groups. Cointelpro attempted the same thing between the Panthers and the Blackstone Rangers, a Chicago-based street gang. It is also believed that Cointelpro had a hand in orchestrating the murder of Fred Hampton, the leader of the Chicago-Chapter of the panthers.
Cointelpro also waged a war against Black pacifist activist groups like the Congress of Racial Equality(CORE),the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee(SNCC),Southern Christian Leadeship Conference(SCLC),and the NAACP. Cointelpro also waged a war against white activist groups like the Weathermen,Peace and Freedom Party,Students for a Democratic Society,and many anti-Vietnam War groups. Even worst, there are reports that Cointelpro still exist...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7574288480731470534
Through an organization called the Counter Intelligence Program(Cointelpro) Hoover raged a war that consisted of murdering key Black activist,disinformation,harassment,death threats,spying,blackmail,infiltration, and other reprehensible and illegal tactics.
The greastest victims of Cointelpro were the Black Panther Party. Cointelpro began forging letters to spread among the Panthers and a Black activist group the United Slave organization,based in Los Angeles, to start a war between the two groups. Cointelpro attempted the same thing between the Panthers and the Blackstone Rangers, a Chicago-based street gang. It is also believed that Cointelpro had a hand in orchestrating the murder of Fred Hampton, the leader of the Chicago-Chapter of the panthers.
Cointelpro also waged a war against Black pacifist activist groups like the Congress of Racial Equality(CORE),the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee(SNCC),Southern Christian Leadeship Conference(SCLC),and the NAACP. Cointelpro also waged a war against white activist groups like the Weathermen,Peace and Freedom Party,Students for a Democratic Society,and many anti-Vietnam War groups. Even worst, there are reports that Cointelpro still exist...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7574288480731470534
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Unfortunately both major political parties have persecuted protesters for years.
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Jul 2, 2009 8:38 AM
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Unfortunately both major political parties have persecuted protesters for years.
They pretend to support our right to protest when they are out of power but the second they are back in power they start leading on those that dissent.
To stop it put even more public pressure on them.
SIGN THE PETITION
calling for prosecution of Bush and CHeney
ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
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They pretend to support our right to protest when they are out of power but the second they are back in power they start leading on those that dissent.
To stop it put even more public pressure on them.
SIGN THE PETITION
calling for prosecution of Bush and CHeney
ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
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Posted by: whole2th on Jun 30, 2009 2:13 AM
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9/11 Truthers (also known as 9/11 factualists) have been falsely linked to terrorist groups, white supremacists groups and even Al CIAda by pundits like Glenn Beck and even Obama.
To deny the official story of 9/11 is akin to being a holocaust denier according to Obama in his Cairo speech to the world.
That the 9/11 official story is a lie is no longer in question--except in the propaganda and ridicule by the GuitarBill's of the world.
9/11 was an inside job--and those of us who lead this message are vilified and ridiculed, using government agencies to "profile" us as enemies of the state. In my own state, Missouri, the MIAC document names 9/11 truth movement as a potential domestic terrorist group.
King George's proclamations of who were terrorists had the same theme: those who undermine the ruthless lies and deceptions are enemies of those lies and deceptions.
"Truth lives a wretched life, but it outlives a lie every time!"
"Have I now become your enemy for telling you the truth?" Gal 5:12
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels (GuitarBill is likely a fan of Goebbels)
"Hell is truth seen too late...duty neglected in its season."- Tryon Edwards
The pattern of killing truth becomes quite clear when we see who was behind 9/11 and the coverup. Watch the movie, 9/11 Missing Links . Ask yourself why the attack on the USS Liberty was TOP SECRET and learn about the Lavon Affair. The real evildoers can be known by their works, right GuitarBill?
See the players who orchestrated 9/11 at http://whodidit.org/cocon.html
And, for beginners, there is http://ae911truth.org and for those less inclined to scientific evidence, try Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth.
To deny the official story of 9/11 is akin to being a holocaust denier according to Obama in his Cairo speech to the world.
That the 9/11 official story is a lie is no longer in question--except in the propaganda and ridicule by the GuitarBill's of the world.
9/11 was an inside job--and those of us who lead this message are vilified and ridiculed, using government agencies to "profile" us as enemies of the state. In my own state, Missouri, the MIAC document names 9/11 truth movement as a potential domestic terrorist group.
King George's proclamations of who were terrorists had the same theme: those who undermine the ruthless lies and deceptions are enemies of those lies and deceptions.
"Truth lives a wretched life, but it outlives a lie every time!"
"Have I now become your enemy for telling you the truth?" Gal 5:12
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels (GuitarBill is likely a fan of Goebbels)
"Hell is truth seen too late...duty neglected in its season."- Tryon Edwards
The pattern of killing truth becomes quite clear when we see who was behind 9/11 and the coverup. Watch the movie, 9/11 Missing Links . Ask yourself why the attack on the USS Liberty was TOP SECRET and learn about the Lavon Affair. The real evildoers can be known by their works, right GuitarBill?
See the players who orchestrated 9/11 at http://whodidit.org/cocon.html
And, for beginners, there is http://ae911truth.org and for those less inclined to scientific evidence, try Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth.
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They targeted truth tellers
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Jun 30, 2009 4:30 AM
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Meria Heller's son was arrested falsely on drug charges. She has a web radio program. They have dragged the case on and on with court appearances causing her financial distress. Lawyers are expensive.
Wayne Madison journalist and investigator was arrested and then the case dropped for now.
Both targets of our government and police. I'd like to believe it is untrue but I can't after their "terrorist" arrests and lies. We don't have freedom of the press after all. Only corporate voices are allowed in America.
Wayne Madison journalist and investigator was arrested and then the case dropped for now.
Both targets of our government and police. I'd like to believe it is untrue but I can't after their "terrorist" arrests and lies. We don't have freedom of the press after all. Only corporate voices are allowed in America.
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Glad to see this article. Amazing how the mainstream media cannot see the hypocrisy of people like John McCain, Lindsay Graham and even Pres. Obama when they protest the crackdown of the Iranian government on demonstrators, but had nothing to say when protesters and demonstrators at the Republican and Democratic conventions (especially in 2008 and 2004) were isolated, arrested and jailed for expressing themselves.
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Original Intent
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We've heard a lot of discussion about how today's Supreme Court should interpret the Constitution according to its original intent. Of course it is often difficult to determine what that original intent might be and, ironically, it is difficult to say that the founders' original intent was that the Constitution always be interpreted according to original intent. However, I would argue that we could do worse than to return to interpreting the Constitution according to its original intent.
It does seem clear that the original intent of the first amendment was pretty clear. It really meant that Congress should pass no law restricting the freedom of people to say what they want to say and that it should pass no law restricting peoples' right to assemble, even if the peoples intent did not fall in line with government policy. In fact, it is pretty clear that the founders knew that this was precisely when this right was important.
People may differ on whether the founders intended that free speech included the making of campaign donations, but it seems pretty clear that what it meant by people was restricted to flesh-and-blood people and not corporations.
We could do worse than to return to interpreting the Constitution according to its original intent.
It does seem clear that the original intent of the first amendment was pretty clear. It really meant that Congress should pass no law restricting the freedom of people to say what they want to say and that it should pass no law restricting peoples' right to assemble, even if the peoples intent did not fall in line with government policy. In fact, it is pretty clear that the founders knew that this was precisely when this right was important.
People may differ on whether the founders intended that free speech included the making of campaign donations, but it seems pretty clear that what it meant by people was restricted to flesh-and-blood people and not corporations.
We could do worse than to return to interpreting the Constitution according to its original intent.
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electronic surveillance
Posted by: vasumurti on Jun 30, 2009 7:06 AM
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(Movie actors and/or directors don't have hidden cameras following them into the toilet.)
In his 1992 book, Visions of Liberty, former Executive Director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser writes:
"The use of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping emerged during the Prohibition era. Roy Olmstead was a suspected bootlegger whom the government wished to search. It placed taps in the basement of his office building and on wires in the streets near his home. No physical entry into his office or home took place. Olmstead was convicted entirely on the basis of evidence from the wiretaps.
"In his appeal to the Supreme Court, Olmstead argued that the taps were a search conducted without a warrant and without probable cause, and that the evidence seized against him should have been excluded because it was illegally gathered. He also argued that his Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against himself was violated.
"By a 5-4 vote, the Court rejected his arguments and upheld the government's power to wiretap without limit and without any Fourth Amendment restrictions, on the grounds that no actual physical intrusion had taken place.
"Olmstead's Fifth Amendment claim was also dismissed on the grounds that he had not been compelled to talk on the telephone, but had done so voluntarily. Thus the Court upheld the government's power to do by trickery and surreptitious means what it was not permitted to do honestly and openly. It wasn't until 1967, in a similar case involving gambling, that the Court overruled the Olmstead decision by an 8-1 margin and recognized that the Fourth Amendment applied to wiretapping and electronic surveillance.
"Interestingly, these cases arose in the context of crimes like bootlegging and gambling. During the past twenty years, the majority of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping by both state and federal officials has been in cases involving drug dealing and gambling.
"Serious crimes of violence, such as homicide, assault, rape, robbery, and burglary, are rarely the target of electronic eavesdropping, which is not normally a useful tool in such cases.
"From the beginning, when wiretapping was virtually invented to enforce laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, to the late 1960s, when gambling was a major target, to the present, when the use and sale of drugs other than alcohol are the main target, these intrusive devices have been used mostly to enforce laws aimed at punishing and proscribing personal conduct that society deems immoral.
"Because such conduct essentially involves private activities among consenting adults who are all likely to want to keep those activities secret, they are harder to investigate and prosecute than crimes like robbery or burglary, in which an unwilling victim will probably aid any investigation...the invasion of privacy inherent in wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping remains with us as part of the legacy of our attempts to criminalize personal conduct.
"The other major use of electronic eavesdropping has been to punish political dissent. For decades, former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover used wiretaps and other electronic devices to spy on political figures and citizens not yet suspected of having committed a crime. He built vast dossiers on their political activities and personal lives. Special units of local police called 'Red Squads' did the same."
In his 1992 book, Visions of Liberty, former Executive Director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser writes:
"The use of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping emerged during the Prohibition era. Roy Olmstead was a suspected bootlegger whom the government wished to search. It placed taps in the basement of his office building and on wires in the streets near his home. No physical entry into his office or home took place. Olmstead was convicted entirely on the basis of evidence from the wiretaps.
"In his appeal to the Supreme Court, Olmstead argued that the taps were a search conducted without a warrant and without probable cause, and that the evidence seized against him should have been excluded because it was illegally gathered. He also argued that his Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against himself was violated.
"By a 5-4 vote, the Court rejected his arguments and upheld the government's power to wiretap without limit and without any Fourth Amendment restrictions, on the grounds that no actual physical intrusion had taken place.
"Olmstead's Fifth Amendment claim was also dismissed on the grounds that he had not been compelled to talk on the telephone, but had done so voluntarily. Thus the Court upheld the government's power to do by trickery and surreptitious means what it was not permitted to do honestly and openly. It wasn't until 1967, in a similar case involving gambling, that the Court overruled the Olmstead decision by an 8-1 margin and recognized that the Fourth Amendment applied to wiretapping and electronic surveillance.
"Interestingly, these cases arose in the context of crimes like bootlegging and gambling. During the past twenty years, the majority of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping by both state and federal officials has been in cases involving drug dealing and gambling.
"Serious crimes of violence, such as homicide, assault, rape, robbery, and burglary, are rarely the target of electronic eavesdropping, which is not normally a useful tool in such cases.
"From the beginning, when wiretapping was virtually invented to enforce laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, to the late 1960s, when gambling was a major target, to the present, when the use and sale of drugs other than alcohol are the main target, these intrusive devices have been used mostly to enforce laws aimed at punishing and proscribing personal conduct that society deems immoral.
"Because such conduct essentially involves private activities among consenting adults who are all likely to want to keep those activities secret, they are harder to investigate and prosecute than crimes like robbery or burglary, in which an unwilling victim will probably aid any investigation...the invasion of privacy inherent in wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping remains with us as part of the legacy of our attempts to criminalize personal conduct.
"The other major use of electronic eavesdropping has been to punish political dissent. For decades, former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover used wiretaps and other electronic devices to spy on political figures and citizens not yet suspected of having committed a crime. He built vast dossiers on their political activities and personal lives. Special units of local police called 'Red Squads' did the same."
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So how is the US different from Iran
Posted by: harpy on Jun 30, 2009 7:13 AM
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in this aspect? The government arrests people before demonstrations "in case" they might do something violent, arrests and detains Americans en masse for peacefully demonstrating, and then holds them for days. Police taze 72 year old women, and shoot innocent people and get away with it. They taze someone for speaking out during a speech and John Kerry says nothing. They taze people and kill them with no retribution.
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Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents?
Posted by: Zimbly on Jun 30, 2009 7:35 AM
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Posted by: Zimbly on Jun 30, 2009 7:35 AM
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Emily, Emily , Emily..wake up and smell the Fascism..... this "wheel" has been rolling for sometime now...where have you been all these years?
How about HR 675 for starters..
try reading this..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14160
And if that doesn't raise your hackles..let me lay out for ya.
In...say..maybe 5 to 10 years there will be another " HR"..lets say HR 923..this one will also be about security and terrorism but this is how it will read....
for security reasons, all citizens of the USA will be required to submit to having a RIF chip implanted and biometric data acquired, Failiure to do this will mean:
1)you will not be allowed in public places
2) you will not be permitted employment
3) your "cards" will be suspened"
4) access to food and basic necessities "suspended"
Get the idea...right now we are fools enough to believe we have freedom and privacy, this couldn't be farther from the truth.
So why would a Gov't start leaning more and more towards fascism? Because it wants more power and MORE control..thats where this is heading.......don't like it?..then start writing your congressman
This "PLAN" has been in the works for a longggggggggggg time....do me a favor and wake up.
How about HR 675 for starters..
try reading this..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14160
And if that doesn't raise your hackles..let me lay out for ya.
In...say..maybe 5 to 10 years there will be another " HR"..lets say HR 923..this one will also be about security and terrorism but this is how it will read....
for security reasons, all citizens of the USA will be required to submit to having a RIF chip implanted and biometric data acquired, Failiure to do this will mean:
1)you will not be allowed in public places
2) you will not be permitted employment
3) your "cards" will be suspened"
4) access to food and basic necessities "suspended"
Get the idea...right now we are fools enough to believe we have freedom and privacy, this couldn't be farther from the truth.
So why would a Gov't start leaning more and more towards fascism? Because it wants more power and MORE control..thats where this is heading.......don't like it?..then start writing your congressman
This "PLAN" has been in the works for a longggggggggggg time....do me a favor and wake up.
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» Right-on, brother Z...
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» Where To Start
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The Truth Project
Posted by: EinMD on Jun 30, 2009 7:41 AM
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 30, 2009 7:41 AM
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No no the Focus on the Family bullshit...
Let us not forget the Florida based anti-war organization The Truth Project
Is the Pentagon Spying on Americans? MSNBC (Dec . 14, 2005)
Pentagon accused of Spying on Americans - CS Monitor December 15, 2005
During the Bush administration this organization was systematically demonized and treated like criminals in their own country. They had their meetings infiltrated and filmed, their phones tapped, their emails and snail mails intercepted, their offices and homes ransacked and burglarized.
Their crime was that they distribute pamplets to local colleges and highschools describing what it is actually like serving in the military. Not all that "be all you can be" bullshit you hear from the recruiters. But the real down and dirty details not only about how you live but how they treat you.
Back in 2006 they testified to this fact before Congress along with former assistant attorney general under Reagan, Bruce Fein that the steps that were being taken by the Bush administration to override, undermine and ignore FISA were unprecedented, unlawful and unnecessary and that the administration was treating law abiding US citizens as criminals in their own country for no other reason than holding opinions they did not like.
These Truth Project people are predominantly college students, grand parents and retirees and follow the Quaker philosophy that all war is wrong. They are the true patriots here and the people in the NSA and military intelligence that were abusing them are fucking traitors. Yet no one has ever been arrested and Congress has ordered no investigation. Hell Barack O'Bama voted to immunize the telecoms for their part in domestic spying and has YET to even bring charges against ANY Bush official for ordering it the in first place.
Let us not forget the Florida based anti-war organization The Truth Project
Is the Pentagon Spying on Americans? MSNBC (Dec . 14, 2005)
Pentagon accused of Spying on Americans - CS Monitor December 15, 2005
During the Bush administration this organization was systematically demonized and treated like criminals in their own country. They had their meetings infiltrated and filmed, their phones tapped, their emails and snail mails intercepted, their offices and homes ransacked and burglarized.
Their crime was that they distribute pamplets to local colleges and highschools describing what it is actually like serving in the military. Not all that "be all you can be" bullshit you hear from the recruiters. But the real down and dirty details not only about how you live but how they treat you.
Back in 2006 they testified to this fact before Congress along with former assistant attorney general under Reagan, Bruce Fein that the steps that were being taken by the Bush administration to override, undermine and ignore FISA were unprecedented, unlawful and unnecessary and that the administration was treating law abiding US citizens as criminals in their own country for no other reason than holding opinions they did not like.
These Truth Project people are predominantly college students, grand parents and retirees and follow the Quaker philosophy that all war is wrong. They are the true patriots here and the people in the NSA and military intelligence that were abusing them are fucking traitors. Yet no one has ever been arrested and Congress has ordered no investigation. Hell Barack O'Bama voted to immunize the telecoms for their part in domestic spying and has YET to even bring charges against ANY Bush official for ordering it the in first place.
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They do it because they can.
Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 AM
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Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 AM
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Why do you think there's any other reason?
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» whoa man thats deep.
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Max Obuszewski, Richard Koman & civil/human rights...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 30, 2009 9:57 AM
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You might wish to listen to 2 fascinating podcast interviews with:
Baltimore NonViolence Center's Max Obuszewski as he discusses HOW HIS RIGHTS WERE ABUSED by government & police investigations that compromised his privacy rights...
because he is a pacifist activist.
May 13th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Jan 25th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Either you defend your hard-won human rights... or they WILL be taken from all of us.
united we stand
divided we grovel.
Might I also suggest the interview last week, Jun 26th, 2009, from ZDNet's Richard Koman, regarding China's (now delayed) massively privacy-violating Green Dam project??
perspective, people.
Perspective.
The Jeff Farias Show: streams FREE & LIVE Mon-Fri, 6-9pmEDT
FREE podcast
"... tolerance of intolerance is cowardice..." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence." ... "Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle" – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
Baltimore NonViolence Center's Max Obuszewski as he discusses HOW HIS RIGHTS WERE ABUSED by government & police investigations that compromised his privacy rights...
because he is a pacifist activist.
May 13th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Jan 25th, 2009 - The Jeff Farias Show
Either you defend your hard-won human rights... or they WILL be taken from all of us.
united we stand
divided we grovel.
Might I also suggest the interview last week, Jun 26th, 2009, from ZDNet's Richard Koman, regarding China's (now delayed) massively privacy-violating Green Dam project??
perspective, people.
Perspective.
The Jeff Farias Show: streams FREE & LIVE Mon-Fri, 6-9pmEDT
FREE podcast
"... tolerance of intolerance is cowardice..." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence." ... "Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle" – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
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» Do you pay AletrNet a proper fee...
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this is a
Posted by: Juven on Jun 30, 2009 10:54 AM
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no brainer: we live in a proto-police state.
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It's gone
Posted by: willymack on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 AM
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Any semblence to democracy that we may have had is gone. The disappearance of what we once had began with president Aged Doofus (1984-92), and was picked up by Caligula (2000-08), after an eight year interlude of peace and prosperity.
How to get it back? I don't claim to have an answer to that, other than this: We can't wait for someone to come to the rescue, we've got to do this OURSELVES.
How to get it back? I don't claim to have an answer to that, other than this: We can't wait for someone to come to the rescue, we've got to do this OURSELVES.
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» RE: It's gone
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"Little Guantanamos"
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 30, 2009 2:06 PM
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Have you heard about these?
These quasi-secret prisons are known as "Communications Management Units" (CMU's), and exist around the US. Most of their prisoners are Muslims, some are property-destruction-only criminals such as animal rights activists and so-called "eco-terrorists".
Most of the prisoners at these units are considered by some, at least, to be political prisoners.
Communication within the prison and with the outside is highly restricted.
Here's a link without the http part.
colorado.indymedia.org/node/1805
I first heard about CMUs on Democracy Now.
It's no wonder the mainstream media hasn't reported on this, is it?
These quasi-secret prisons are known as "Communications Management Units" (CMU's), and exist around the US. Most of their prisoners are Muslims, some are property-destruction-only criminals such as animal rights activists and so-called "eco-terrorists".
Most of the prisoners at these units are considered by some, at least, to be political prisoners.
Communication within the prison and with the outside is highly restricted.
Here's a link without the http part.
colorado.indymedia.org/node/1805
I first heard about CMUs on Democracy Now.
It's no wonder the mainstream media hasn't reported on this, is it?
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Well...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 30, 2009 4:57 PM
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 30, 2009 4:57 PM
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To answer the title question...
... all the same reasons every other nation that ever has done so did so.
... all the same reasons every other nation that ever has done so did so.
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Dumb question
Posted by: Gonnuts on Jun 30, 2009 5:23 PM
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Posted by: Gonnuts on Jun 30, 2009 5:23 PM
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Our country continues to accelerate harassment, arrest and silencing of dissent because we're now one of the top Police States in the world and this will only continue to get worse as this lying president continues to do the bidding for the corporate cronies and banksters he really works for.
Welcome to the United Banks of America.
Welcome to the United Banks of America.
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Why Does Our Government Still Spy On, Arrest and Persecute Dissidents?
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 30, 2009 11:32 PM
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Because that's what totalitarian, fascist governments do, even budding ones like this one. Dissidents can affect the bottom lines of some corporations badly, and to a fascist government, that is THE cardinal sin. As soon as they can swing it they'll begin using slavery as an official penalty - to repay the corporation(s) "robbed" by the criminal's actions. And of course, public executions that even, or especially, children will be required to watch (get 'em acclimated to it) will (public reason) help provide a disincentive for criminality (it never has before, but they're insane, remember); (true reason: it'll help cut down on a too large population of "useless eaters" who might otherwise cost money better placed elsewhere (in "Elite"/corporate pockets).
Ian
Ian
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Tragic article,but you forgot to mention how the FBI ties into all this.
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 PM
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Surveilance against activist often has a racist tinge to it.Its no secret that J. Edgar Hoover was a disgusting racist who,from the 1940s to the 1970s, raged a violent war against the Black civil rights groups,from Martin Luther King to Malcolm X,from the Freedom Riders to the Black Panthers,from the most dedicated pacifist to the most anti-government militants.
Through an organization called the Counter Intelligence Program(Cointelpro) Hoover raged a war that consisted of murdering key Black activist,disinformation,harassment,death threats,spying,blackmail,infiltration, and other reprehensible and illegal tactics.
The greastest victims of Cointelpro were the Black Panther Party. Cointelpro began forging letters to spread among the Panthers and a Black activist group the United Slave organization,based in Los Angeles, to start a war between the two groups. Cointelpro attempted the same thing between the Panthers and the Blackstone Rangers, a Chicago-based street gang. It is also believed that Cointelpro had a hand in orchestrating the murder of Fred Hampton, the leader of the Chicago-Chapter of the panthers.
Cointelpro also waged a war against Black pacifist activist groups like the Congress of Racial Equality(CORE),the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee(SNCC),Southern Christian Leadeship Conference(SCLC),and the NAACP. Cointelpro also waged a war against white activist groups like the Weathermen,Peace and Freedom Party,Students for a Democratic Society,and many anti-Vietnam War groups. Even worst, there are reports that Cointelpro still exist...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7574288480731470534
Through an organization called the Counter Intelligence Program(Cointelpro) Hoover raged a war that consisted of murdering key Black activist,disinformation,harassment,death threats,spying,blackmail,infiltration, and other reprehensible and illegal tactics.
The greastest victims of Cointelpro were the Black Panther Party. Cointelpro began forging letters to spread among the Panthers and a Black activist group the United Slave organization,based in Los Angeles, to start a war between the two groups. Cointelpro attempted the same thing between the Panthers and the Blackstone Rangers, a Chicago-based street gang. It is also believed that Cointelpro had a hand in orchestrating the murder of Fred Hampton, the leader of the Chicago-Chapter of the panthers.
Cointelpro also waged a war against Black pacifist activist groups like the Congress of Racial Equality(CORE),the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee(SNCC),Southern Christian Leadeship Conference(SCLC),and the NAACP. Cointelpro also waged a war against white activist groups like the Weathermen,Peace and Freedom Party,Students for a Democratic Society,and many anti-Vietnam War groups. Even worst, there are reports that Cointelpro still exist...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7574288480731470534
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Unfortunately both major political parties have persecuted protesters for years.
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Jul 2, 2009 8:38 AM
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Unfortunately both major political parties have persecuted protesters for years.
They pretend to support our right to protest when they are out of power but the second they are back in power they start leading on those that dissent.
To stop it put even more public pressure on them.
SIGN THE PETITION
calling for prosecution of Bush and CHeney
ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
.
They pretend to support our right to protest when they are out of power but the second they are back in power they start leading on those that dissent.
To stop it put even more public pressure on them.
SIGN THE PETITION
calling for prosecution of Bush and CHeney
ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
.
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sex
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