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Controversy Over Torture Photos and Military Commissions Heats Up in Washington
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As the mainstream media refocused their torture coverage on Sen. Nancy Pelosi this week, fashioning a What-Did-She-Know? news story out of information that's been known for years, a series of maneuvers by the Obama administration bulldozed hopes that the White House would take the mess it has inherited from Bush and clean it up for good, perhaps even allowing for accountability for those who created it.
Instead, on Wednesday President Obama reversed a decision to release some 2,000 photographs depicting the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan by U.S. soldiers. The photographs, which have been described as more explicit than those that came out of Abu Ghraib -- as one anonymous member of Congress told the Washington Post, 'When they are released, there will be a major outcry for an investigation by a commission or some other vehicle -- were downplayed by Obama as "not particularly sensational" but nonetheless necessary to keep under wraps.
For unremarkable photos, the Obama administration certainly gave a lot of reasons for the turnaround -- but the most politically expedient explanation was the argument that making them public would inflame anti-American sentiment in countries occupied by U.S. troops. The president "believes that the release of these photos could pose a threat to the men and women we have in harm's way in Iraq and Afghanistan," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters on Wednesday, while also adding, dubiously, that, "the President believes that the release of these photos will also provide a disincentive for detainee abuse investigation."
Republicans were quick to praise Obama's move -- "We are still in a war," Senator John McCain reminded everyone. "The publication of those photographs would have given help to the enemy in the psychological side of the war we are in" -- and predictably, the media cast it primarily as another embarrassing snub of the perpetually dissatisfied left, rather than a betrayal of Obama's promises of transparency. "The Left Rises Up Against Obama," read the headline of a Washington Post column by Chris Cilizza, who described it as a "perceived poke in the eye" of the "liberal left" that has prompted doubts over "Obama's commitment to progressive policies."
Elswhere, the move was seen as proof of Obama's political maturity. "Obama Keeps Growing in Office," wrote Michael Goldfarb, McCain's campaign spokesman in The Weekly Standard. "President Obama is now commander in chief, and he has an obligation to the troops under his command that exceeds any promises made to liberal interest groups during the campaign." Over at the Wall Street Journal, editors deemed the decision more than just a decision, calling it "Obama's Photo Epihany," and applauding the president's refusal to capitulate to the "braying from his campaign allies on the left." (It was, as the comfort-seeking Peggy Noonan might say, "a pleasant reversal.")
"The President is learning, albeit slowly, that secrecy has its uses in wartime, and that the real goal of his allies on the left is to make it harder for the U.S. to defend itself," the WSJ concluded, ludicrously.
Indeed, the portrayal by much of the media would suggest that asserting the right to keep things secret in the name of national security -- something the Obama administration is becoming more and more adept at -- is not just a sign of political maturity, it's downright presidential. "No longer a mere senator representing a single state, Obama is now the commander-in-chief, and his reversal highlights the unique burdens that he alone now shoulders," wrote Mark Thompson in TIME magazine. And for good measure, up north, the Canadian National Post called Obama's move "tough but presidential."
What's good for the country, therefore, is keeping things under wraps that might tarnish the image of its leader and its military. As Salon's Glenn Greenwald quipped on Wednesday, nothing spurs more anti-American sentiment than civilian deaths in Afghanistan. Shouldn't we be covering those up, too?"
The Return of Military Commissions
At the same time, another story with more sweeping significance was making headlines alongside Obama's reversal on the torture photos: the Obama administration's reported plan to re-start the military commissions at Guantanamo, that shoddy amalgam of kangaroo courts suspended by Obama in his first days in office. The story had been creeping up for weeks; on May 1, the New York Times ran a story titled "U.S. May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts," reporting that Obama was planning to "amend the Bush administration's system" of terror trials. Then, last weekend, on May 9, the Washington Post reported: "Obama Set to Revive Military Commissions: Changes Would Boost Detainee Rights." According to the Post, "new rules" would "offer terrorism suspects greater legal protections' including the right not to be prosecuted using evidence obtained by hearsay or torture.
If this weren't alarming enough, these reports came at the same time as another little-noticed but major development: news that the Obama administration was appointing a new chief prosecutor for the military commissions: U.S. Navy Reserve Captain John Murphy, whose dubious career highlights include the prosecution of Salim Hamdan as well as the attempted prosecution of Canadian Guantanamo detainee Omar Khadr, who has been in U.S. custody since he was just 15. Journalist and Guantanamo expert Andy Worthington was one of the first to break the story, recalling the disastrous history of the military commissions, which includes the high-profile resignation of former Chief Prosecutor Morris Davis.
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Posted by: mmckinl on May 16, 2009 1:01 AM
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We can go down the list ...
~ Trillions to banksters ... peanuts for people ...
~ More War in Afghanistan ...
~ No mention of ending our "surveillance state" of internet and phone snooping, secret search and no fly lists ...
~ No investigations of War Crimes including torture and the lies that got us into war ...
~ Healthcare sellout ... Obama had said single payer was the best way to go ... no more
Don't look at what Obama says ...
Look at what he does and doesn't do ...
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on May 16, 2009 1:45 AM
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Presidential power to rule unilaterally is increasing; there is no clearer testimony to this fact than the initiation of a "pre-emptive" war by George W. Bush, although the fear tactics used to ram through the TARP legislation last autumn, which included telling members of Congress that failure to pass this legislation would lead to martial law in the United States, come very close.
It is likely that as the Unites States finds itself facing new barriers that prevent it from imposing its will over other nations and over the natural world in the manner to which its ruling class is accustomed, due to declining economic power and the rising economic and military power of rival states, as well as to encroaching ecological limits which challenge the prevailing capitalist economic model, that our ruling elites will impose tighter restrictions on the behavior of their subjects backed up by harsher penalties for transgressing the ever-narrowing scope of legally permissible action. This rise in authoritarianism will act as a remedy of sorts - mostly of the placebo sort - to the frightening sense of diminished power our elites will experience in managing global affairs. Loss of external control generates a compensative need for enhanced internal domination.
Secrecy and contempt for an otherized public are natural elements of authoritarian leadership. Expect these to become more common and pronounced in the latter stages of imperial and industrial decline, as the sphere of elite power densifies around its core before the now-maladaptive baggage that overloads American culture is cast off in a violent outburst, signifying the death of the status quo and leaving behind scattered materials from which new sociocultural arrangements can take shape.
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Posted by: DrBrian on May 16, 2009 2:16 AM
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Our allies are horrified and the Muslim world outraged, but that doesn't matter, either.
Our capacity for hypocrisy and self-delusion seems limitless.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on May 16, 2009 3:42 AM
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Obama has changed something!
FREE AMERICA
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 16, 2009 7:37 AM
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Hand this entire Criminal Cluster fuck over to the Internationals. Countries who have taken no part in this fiasco from either side- The Swiss?
As soon as they Renditioned, imprisoned and tortured a foreigner it became an interantional Case, not a Domestic one.
The one organization who has the most extensive experience with these types of methods and treatments already called it Torture- The International Red Cross.So this entire internal debate is nothing more than an exercise in deception and distraction.
All information, evidence, testimony AND Defendents must be given to a Court of impartial and objective observers.
WE are only truely capable of prosecuting those acts of Abuse of Power and treason.
Outright lies told by these various agencies and offices leading to these War crimes (WMD's 'yellow Cakes', Anthrax).
Usurping and undermining Constitutional rights and limits to power (wiretapping)
And the Conspiratorial element amongst these players which allowed these high crimes and War Crimes to occur.
It is not US who need access to those additional photos, it's the international court who will be responsible for prosecuting the War Criminals.
Stop allowing Cheney et al to hide behind our Laws in his attempt to evade international prosecution. It's out of Our hands and He knows it. He's just hoping we prosecute him before they do...More 'Grey' area in definition of 'torture, thus better odds of getting off completely or with a lighter sentence and We have better Accomadations since his private Corp buddies running our prison system now will assure his private luxury accomadations.In Fact, Give him and his co conspirators to whatever country wants them- Afghanistan? Iraq? Pray, DICK, the Iraqi's have hired a new Noosemen.
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» RE: INTERNATIONAL War Crimes- Operative word International
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» YES!! INTERNATIONAL War Crimes- Operative word International
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on May 16, 2009 7:50 AM
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I am not a big fan of the Daily Beast, it seems very staid and uninteresting from a news standpoint to me, like it is a local celebrity rag for rich New Yorkers or something, it is very 'conventional' wisdom, like Broder. Yawn.
So perhaps it is a good thing that they are finally getting around to covering torture as a political news item.
Does that mean the press are finally getting past being part of the cover up? I hope so!
NO MORE TORTURE!
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Posted by: Dennis St. John on May 16, 2009 8:08 AM
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on May 16, 2009 8:28 AM
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It’s unknown if any American television network has posted any of these photos in the last three years.
Disclaimer: The photographs follow, and are very graphic. They are only part of myriad unpublished photographs and what are believed to be six videotapes of the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
To answer his question, the only one I have seen on TV is the picture of what looks like a bunch of dog bites.
NEVER AGAIN
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Posted by: greenferret on May 16, 2009 9:25 AM
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Join GreenChange.org in calling on Attorney General Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether Bush administration officials violated laws prohibiting torture.
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Posted by: nobuko on May 16, 2009 9:30 AM
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So what if they were done while Bush and Cheney DESTROYED the World. People ALL OVER THE WORLD, including America will only become more ANGRY, ALL OVER AGAIN! and YES, the so called Terrorists will capture and make our troops SUFFER for what Bush and Cheney DID!
NO WAY, NO HOW should these pictures be shown until our troops are OUT OF HARMS WAYS!
If you don't like it, then I STRONGLY SUGGEST, you go to your nearest Recruitment Facility, SIGN UP and place your butt in harms way! THEN YOU TAKE THOSE PICTURES, WEAR THEM ON YOUR UNIFORM and TELL THE PEOPLE HOW SORRY YOU ARE that this was done to the Detainees; otherwise, SHUT THE HECK UP, as my TROOPS COMES FIRST!
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» YES, I DO, AND I SAY RELEASE THE PHOTOS.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 16, 2009 9:36 AM
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 16, 2009 10:35 AM
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Read up on what was called "Operation Paper Clip" - its the congressionally funded program which rescued the "lowest of the low" from post-war justice and brought them here to teach us their methods.
Remember Professor Ward Churchill? His remark about "little Eichmans?" Come on, folks - you bought this. You PAID for it. You continue to pay for it. Little Eichmans, indeed.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 16, 2009 10:39 AM
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Posted by: Defenestrator on May 16, 2009 12:05 PM
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The rest of the world has already seen them. They were published last Wednesday by an Australian news agency called SBS. Only the US press has not shown them at this point... more evidence that if you want to learn about what the US government is doing, read foreign press. They've already been shown on al-Jazeera.
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Posted by: Daito on May 16, 2009 12:14 PM
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I think I know.
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on May 16, 2009 3:16 PM
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OBAMA, (who said that he'd be a one term president, if necessary), IS NOW ESTABLISHING HIS OWN POWER BY REFUSING TO ENFORCE THE LAWS OF THIS NATION.
PELOSI IS A TORTURE ACCOMPLICE, AS WELL AS AN ACCOMPLICE TO THE MASS-MURDER-FOR-PROFIT OF OVER ONE MILLION IRAQIS, AFGHANIS, OUR SOLDIERS AND ALLIED TROOPS!!
PELOSI BELONGS IN THE DOCK WITH BUSH AND CHENEY AND THEIR MINIONS, BEING TRIED FOR WAR CRIMES AND TREASON. At the very least, she should resign immediately and stop her lying.
PROSECUTION SAYS, "WE'RE SORRY!" PROBABLY THE ONLY APOLOGY THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL ACCEPT FROM THIS NATION OF DISTRACTED, SELF-ABSORBED, IGNORANT AMERICANS.
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on May 16, 2009 3:18 PM
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 16, 2009 4:36 PM
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Posted by: yodyos on May 16, 2009 5:22 PM
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They have treated us with contempt for so long that it is part of their natural thought process. Why should they change?
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Posted by: IRIQUOIS227 on May 16, 2009 6:44 PM
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Posted by: Makaainana on May 21, 2009 12:08 PM
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I though Obama was going to be a great leader, but I was wrong. He is just a slick politician with a great speaking ability.
He is unfortunately just an extension of President Bush. Obama now just looks at Bush policies and revises them a little and calls it change.
The more things change; the more they stay the same.
Bush, Obama, Obush.
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Posted by: mmckinl on May 16, 2009 1:01 AM
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We can go down the list ...
~ Trillions to banksters ... peanuts for people ...
~ More War in Afghanistan ...
~ No mention of ending our "surveillance state" of internet and phone snooping, secret search and no fly lists ...
~ No investigations of War Crimes including torture and the lies that got us into war ...
~ Healthcare sellout ... Obama had said single payer was the best way to go ... no more
Don't look at what Obama says ...
Look at what he does and doesn't do ...
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» RE: Obama is turning into ... Bush with lipstick ...
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» RE: One thing that is better
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» B.O. is a fraud
Posted by: DJC11
» obama NEVER said single-payer was the best...
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on May 16, 2009 1:45 AM
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Presidential power to rule unilaterally is increasing; there is no clearer testimony to this fact than the initiation of a "pre-emptive" war by George W. Bush, although the fear tactics used to ram through the TARP legislation last autumn, which included telling members of Congress that failure to pass this legislation would lead to martial law in the United States, come very close.
It is likely that as the Unites States finds itself facing new barriers that prevent it from imposing its will over other nations and over the natural world in the manner to which its ruling class is accustomed, due to declining economic power and the rising economic and military power of rival states, as well as to encroaching ecological limits which challenge the prevailing capitalist economic model, that our ruling elites will impose tighter restrictions on the behavior of their subjects backed up by harsher penalties for transgressing the ever-narrowing scope of legally permissible action. This rise in authoritarianism will act as a remedy of sorts - mostly of the placebo sort - to the frightening sense of diminished power our elites will experience in managing global affairs. Loss of external control generates a compensative need for enhanced internal domination.
Secrecy and contempt for an otherized public are natural elements of authoritarian leadership. Expect these to become more common and pronounced in the latter stages of imperial and industrial decline, as the sphere of elite power densifies around its core before the now-maladaptive baggage that overloads American culture is cast off in a violent outburst, signifying the death of the status quo and leaving behind scattered materials from which new sociocultural arrangements can take shape.
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Posted by: DrBrian on May 16, 2009 2:16 AM
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Our allies are horrified and the Muslim world outraged, but that doesn't matter, either.
Our capacity for hypocrisy and self-delusion seems limitless.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on May 16, 2009 3:42 AM
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Obama has changed something!
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 16, 2009 7:37 AM
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Hand this entire Criminal Cluster fuck over to the Internationals. Countries who have taken no part in this fiasco from either side- The Swiss?
As soon as they Renditioned, imprisoned and tortured a foreigner it became an interantional Case, not a Domestic one.
The one organization who has the most extensive experience with these types of methods and treatments already called it Torture- The International Red Cross.So this entire internal debate is nothing more than an exercise in deception and distraction.
All information, evidence, testimony AND Defendents must be given to a Court of impartial and objective observers.
WE are only truely capable of prosecuting those acts of Abuse of Power and treason.
Outright lies told by these various agencies and offices leading to these War crimes (WMD's 'yellow Cakes', Anthrax).
Usurping and undermining Constitutional rights and limits to power (wiretapping)
And the Conspiratorial element amongst these players which allowed these high crimes and War Crimes to occur.
It is not US who need access to those additional photos, it's the international court who will be responsible for prosecuting the War Criminals.
Stop allowing Cheney et al to hide behind our Laws in his attempt to evade international prosecution. It's out of Our hands and He knows it. He's just hoping we prosecute him before they do...More 'Grey' area in definition of 'torture, thus better odds of getting off completely or with a lighter sentence and We have better Accomadations since his private Corp buddies running our prison system now will assure his private luxury accomadations.In Fact, Give him and his co conspirators to whatever country wants them- Afghanistan? Iraq? Pray, DICK, the Iraqi's have hired a new Noosemen.
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» RE: INTERNATIONAL War Crimes- Operative word International
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» YES!! INTERNATIONAL War Crimes- Operative word International
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on May 16, 2009 7:50 AM
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I am not a big fan of the Daily Beast, it seems very staid and uninteresting from a news standpoint to me, like it is a local celebrity rag for rich New Yorkers or something, it is very 'conventional' wisdom, like Broder. Yawn.
So perhaps it is a good thing that they are finally getting around to covering torture as a political news item.
Does that mean the press are finally getting past being part of the cover up? I hope so!
NO MORE TORTURE!
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Posted by: Dennis St. John on May 16, 2009 8:08 AM
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on May 16, 2009 8:28 AM
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It’s unknown if any American television network has posted any of these photos in the last three years.
Disclaimer: The photographs follow, and are very graphic. They are only part of myriad unpublished photographs and what are believed to be six videotapes of the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
To answer his question, the only one I have seen on TV is the picture of what looks like a bunch of dog bites.
NEVER AGAIN
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Posted by: greenferret on May 16, 2009 9:25 AM
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Join GreenChange.org in calling on Attorney General Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether Bush administration officials violated laws prohibiting torture.
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Posted by: nobuko on May 16, 2009 9:30 AM
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So what if they were done while Bush and Cheney DESTROYED the World. People ALL OVER THE WORLD, including America will only become more ANGRY, ALL OVER AGAIN! and YES, the so called Terrorists will capture and make our troops SUFFER for what Bush and Cheney DID!
NO WAY, NO HOW should these pictures be shown until our troops are OUT OF HARMS WAYS!
If you don't like it, then I STRONGLY SUGGEST, you go to your nearest Recruitment Facility, SIGN UP and place your butt in harms way! THEN YOU TAKE THOSE PICTURES, WEAR THEM ON YOUR UNIFORM and TELL THE PEOPLE HOW SORRY YOU ARE that this was done to the Detainees; otherwise, SHUT THE HECK UP, as my TROOPS COMES FIRST!
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» YES, I DO, AND I SAY RELEASE THE PHOTOS.
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» THE TROOPS DESTROYED THE WORLD
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 16, 2009 9:36 AM
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 16, 2009 10:35 AM
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Read up on what was called "Operation Paper Clip" - its the congressionally funded program which rescued the "lowest of the low" from post-war justice and brought them here to teach us their methods.
Remember Professor Ward Churchill? His remark about "little Eichmans?" Come on, folks - you bought this. You PAID for it. You continue to pay for it. Little Eichmans, indeed.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 16, 2009 10:39 AM
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Posted by: Defenestrator on May 16, 2009 12:05 PM
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The rest of the world has already seen them. They were published last Wednesday by an Australian news agency called SBS. Only the US press has not shown them at this point... more evidence that if you want to learn about what the US government is doing, read foreign press. They've already been shown on al-Jazeera.
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Posted by: GR8R G8R on May 16, 2009 12:13 PM
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Posted by: Daito on May 16, 2009 12:14 PM
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I think I know.
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» Our murder victims outnumber theirs by 1,000 to 1,
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on May 16, 2009 3:16 PM
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OBAMA, (who said that he'd be a one term president, if necessary), IS NOW ESTABLISHING HIS OWN POWER BY REFUSING TO ENFORCE THE LAWS OF THIS NATION.
PELOSI IS A TORTURE ACCOMPLICE, AS WELL AS AN ACCOMPLICE TO THE MASS-MURDER-FOR-PROFIT OF OVER ONE MILLION IRAQIS, AFGHANIS, OUR SOLDIERS AND ALLIED TROOPS!!
PELOSI BELONGS IN THE DOCK WITH BUSH AND CHENEY AND THEIR MINIONS, BEING TRIED FOR WAR CRIMES AND TREASON. At the very least, she should resign immediately and stop her lying.
PROSECUTION SAYS, "WE'RE SORRY!" PROBABLY THE ONLY APOLOGY THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL ACCEPT FROM THIS NATION OF DISTRACTED, SELF-ABSORBED, IGNORANT AMERICANS.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 16, 2009 4:36 PM
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Posted by: yodyos on May 16, 2009 5:22 PM
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They have treated us with contempt for so long that it is part of their natural thought process. Why should they change?
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Posted by: IRIQUOIS227 on May 16, 2009 6:44 PM
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Posted by: Makaainana on May 21, 2009 12:08 PM
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I though Obama was going to be a great leader, but I was wrong. He is just a slick politician with a great speaking ability.
He is unfortunately just an extension of President Bush. Obama now just looks at Bush policies and revises them a little and calls it change.
The more things change; the more they stay the same.
Bush, Obama, Obush.
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