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Obama's Drug Czar Calls for End to 'War on Drugs'
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White House drug czar, Gill Kerlikowske called for an "end to the war on drugs" and said the drug problem in this country should be a public heath issue and not a criminal justice issue. His comments came during an interview with Gary Fields of the Wall Street Journal and appear in Thursday's edition.
"Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on a product', people see a war as a war on them and we are not at war with people in this country," Kerlikowske told the Journal. He also told the Journal that the Obama Administration is likely to deal with drugs as a public health issue and would favor treatment over incarceration in trying to reduce illicit drug use.
"We are cautiously optimistic" said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance. "Kerlikowske appears to be in line with President Obama's call for a paradigm shift to public health and he along with the Justice Department support the range of drug policy reforms Obama pledged as a candidate."
As a presidential candidate, then-Senator Obama said the 'war on drugs is an utter failure' and that he believes in 'shifting the paradigm, shifting the model, so that we focus more on a public health approach.' He also called for eliminating the crack/powder cocaine sentencing disparity, repealing the ban on federal funding for syringe exchange programs to reduce HIV/AIDS, and stopping the U.S. Justice Department from undermining state medical marijuana laws.
Kerlikowske confirmed he supports needle exchange programs as a "part of a complete public-health model for dealing with addiction" and that he plans to work with Congress and other agencies to alter current policies. Recently the Justice Department came out against the crack/ powder disparity and the attorney general said that the administration will no longer raid marijuana dispensaries that comply with state laws.
Advocates pledge to hold Kerlikowske and the administration to their words and make sure their actions meet their rhetoric.
"There were a couple of marijuana dispensaries raided since the Justice Department pledged to end the raids. The recent budget that was introduced still included a federal ban on funding clean syringes despite calling for an end to the ban" Nadelmann noted. "The proof will be in the pudding. We need to make sure the deeds match the words."
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Wall Street Journal
White House Czar Calls for End to 'War on Drugs'
Kerlikowske Says Analogy Is Counterproductive; Shift Aligns With Administration Preference for Treatment Over Incarceration
By GARY FIELDS
May 14, 2009
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration's new drug czar says he wants to banish the idea that the U.S. is fighting "a war on drugs," a move that would underscore a shift favoring treatment over incarceration in trying to reduce illicit drug use.
In his first interview since being confirmed to head the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, Gil Kerlikowske said Wednesday the bellicose analogy was a barrier to dealing with the nation's drug issues.
"Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on a product,' people see a war as a war on them," he said. "We're not at war with people in this country."
Mr. Kerlikowske's comments are a signal that the Obama administration is set to follow a more moderate -- and likely more controversial -- stance on the nation's drug problems. Prior administrations talked about pushing treatment and reducing demand while continuing to focus primarily on a tough criminal-justice approach.
The Obama administration is likely to deal with drugs as a matter of public health rather than criminal justice alone, with treatment's role growing relative to incarceration, Mr. Kerlikowske said.
Already, the administration has called for an end to the disparity in how crimes involving crack cocaine and powder cocaine are dealt with. Critics of the law say it unfairly targeted African-American communities, where crack is more prevalent.
The administration also said federal authorities would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries in the 13 states where voters have made medical marijuana legal. Agents had previously done so under federal law, which doesn't provide for any exceptions to its marijuana prohibition.
During the presidential campaign, President Barack Obama also talked about ending the federal ban on funding for needle-exchange programs, which are used to stem the spread of HIV among intravenous-drug users.
The drug czar doesn't have the power to enforce any of these changes himself, but Mr. Kerlikowske plans to work with Congress and other agencies to alter current policies. He said he hasn't yet focused on U.S. policy toward fighting drug-related crime in other countries.
Mr. Kerlikowske was most recently the police chief in Seattle, a city known for experimenting with drug programs. In 2003, voters there passed an initiative making the enforcement of simple marijuana violations a low priority. The city has long had a needle-exchange program and hosts Hempfest, which draws tens of thousands of hemp and marijuana advocates.
Seattle currently is considering setting up a project that would divert drug defendants to treatment programs.
Mr. Kerlikowske said he opposed the city's 2003 initiative on police priorities. His officers, however, say drug enforcement -- especially for pot crimes -- took a back seat, according to Sgt. Richard O'Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. One result was an open-air drug market in the downtown business district, Mr. O'Neill said.
"The average rank-and-file officer is saying, 'He can't control two blocks of Seattle, how is he going to control the nation?' " Mr. O'Neill said.
Sen. Tom Coburn, the lone senator to vote against Mr. Kerlikowske, was concerned about the permissive attitude toward marijuana enforcement, a spokesman for the conservative Oklahoma Republican said.
Others said they are pleased by the way Seattle police balanced the available options. "I think he believes there is a place for using the criminal sanctions to address the drug-abuse problem, but he's more open to giving a hard look to solutions that look at the demand side of the equation," said Alison Holcomb, drug-policy director with the Washington state American Civil Liberties Union.
Mr. Kerlikowske said the issue was one of limited police resources, adding that he doesn't support efforts to legalize drugs. He also said he supports needle-exchange programs, calling them "part of a complete public-health model for dealing with addiction."
Mr. Kerlikowske's career began in St. Petersburg, Fla. He recalled one incident as a Florida undercover officer during the 1970s that spurred his thinking that arrests alone wouldn't fix matters.
"While we were sitting there, the guy we're buying from is smoking pot and his toddler comes over and he blows smoke in the toddler's face," Mr. Kerlikowske said. "You go home at night, and you think of your own kids and your own family and you realize" the depth of the problem.
Since then, he has run four police departments, as well as the Justice Department's Office of Community Policing during the Clinton administration.
Ethan Nadelmann of the Drug Policy Alliance, a group that supports legalization of medical marijuana, said he is "cautiously optimistic" about Mr. Kerlikowske. "The analogy we have is this is like turning around an ocean liner," he said. "What's important is the damn thing is beginning to turn."
James Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest law-enforcement labor organization, said that while he holds Mr. Kerlikowske in high regard, police officers are wary.
"While I don't necessarily disagree with Gil's focus on treatment and demand reduction, I don't want to see it at the expense of law enforcement. People need to understand that when they violate the law there are consequences."
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Posted by: bryangalt on May 15, 2009 2:26 AM
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However, the resulting expenditures that created the behemouth of federal, state and local agencies to implement this 'war' has been very beneficial to those within the system such as DEA agents, prison system authorities, lawyers, CIA, FBI, and WTF!
Yes, the fact that this country has paid enough money into the system to purchase the entire supply of cocaine, marijuana and meth outright, thus taking it completely off the streets, and to have purchased every acre of land in South America should tell you everything you would ever need to know about the true reasons behind this 'war' and why the our spineless leaders in Congress can't bring themselves to turn off the money fountain that supports these agencies.
The fact that the CIA was busted for running drugs to help finance the weapons purchases for the Iran/Contra scandal is a great example of how the government was using one arm to bust low-level people while using its covert arm to bring more supplies in for quick distribution.
Doesn't it make you sick to know that OUR Representatives, the people that we elect to look out for the best interests of this nation and its citizens, are so beholden to the nation's agencies that they simply will not put a stop to the continuation of a program that could never have succeeded in the first place?
In Portugal, all drugs have been legalized over five years ago. Guess what happened. Overall use of all drugs stabilized and started to drop. Drug treatment programs tripled their enrollments. Incarceration and interdiction expenses for drugs fell over 50% and continue to drop.
Did the sky fall on Portugal because they decided to let people get wired, high or whatever they enjoyed? Nope. The best part for them was they could use their money to focus on who needs help to kick their habits instead of building more prisons for people that will ALWAYS BE ADDICTS--ALWAYS. There is no known cure, period.
Addiction is a health issue. Would we send people to prison because they get cancer? Well, it's the same thing isn't it?
So, let's hope that Obama and Congress can bring an end to this overhyped 'war' so we can focus our money on things that matter, such as treatment, expansion of free education through a BA/BS degree, expansion of health care and bringing our species back from the brink with our hell-bent rush to global warming.
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Posted by: greenferret on May 15, 2009 3:13 AM
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Tell Obama and your elected representatives that it's time to legalize and regulate marijuana.
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Posted by: shill on May 15, 2009 3:30 AM
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 15, 2009 3:52 AM
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There are an estimated 78,000,000 CPPs in America who are under- or untreated; as far as the DEA is concerned apparently, all are addicts, deserving of prison. Something like 1%-3% of the population are possible addicts; the percentage of people with chronic pain is far larger, especially consider us aging Baby Boomers. But go to most doctors with pain and you'll get almost anything but the medications that actually treat pain most effectively and safely: opiates. Thousands of people die of NSAID toxicity, far more than ever die of opiate overdose, but it's the NSAIDs we're most forced to rely on, as ineffective as they are. They sometimes help a little, in dangerously high doses. The war on drugs and an insane and power-mad DEA, enabled by a radical right administration, has become ever more destructive, and in this field of medicine, the DEA is running medicine from a cop's point of view with a very simple formula: [opiates+people=addicts and crime], period. What the actual law is, what the regulations or the science say, even an agreement that took years to negotiate between medical associations and the DEA all make no difference. They'll throw it all out and do what they please if they decide to go after a doctor. And they can attack forever, take your records, bank accounts, license, home and office building and your liberty. Because of this, many good doctors who DO know the correct way to treat chronic pain dare not (called "the Chilling Effect"), and like many, many others, will deliberately and knowingly under-treat such patients if they treat them at all.
Probably all of you have "information" you're certain of regarding these medications. Just as likely, 90% of it or more is pure propaganda, like the "information" the government puts out about marijuana. I won't even list it all here; you've all heard it anyway. But even doctors aren't immune to it, and even they spew this false information at us when we ask for treatment. Have I mentioned that a substantial number of us die every year by our own hands, in despair or choosing not to live with unending pain any more? considering it's perfectly treatable, even often curable, that's inexcusable!
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Posted by: drricklippin on May 15, 2009 3:56 AM
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The American people were the real losers of thus war this war bigtime-especially the poor and the minorities.
The only "winners" were the prison and drug testing industries.
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 15, 2009 4:00 AM
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Like many if not most of us, I've repeatedly gone from working part-time, able to clean the house (carefully), cook our meals, wash dishes, care of the yard, etc, all carefully, with rest between efforts and on my own schedule, and then suddenly had those terrible, soul-stealing opiates removed, always for my own good, of course. From functional and useful, I've gone to homeless and non-functional. It's a repeating story with this disease. Oh, and it is, officially, a disease: it gets worse if left untreated, it spreads to other parts of the body, it damages other organs and systems and shortens the patient's life. I causes arthritis, loss of brain mass, triggers lupus, type II diabetes and many other secondary disorders, but the cause is pain. Here's a myth for you: "Pain never killed anyone." Wrong.
The DEA gets something like $20bn a year in funding, NOT counting civil forfeitures and other sources of funding. Cops who participate in house raids also get to walk off with "evidence" that never gets listed anywhere. This is why they do house raids instead of busting the target on the way to the doctor's office or a restaurant or somesuch; they can't stay in the house forever. House raids are the most deadly, and contain the vast majority of police vs innocent civilians errors as well. Ah, but that non-evidence: a kid's lawn mowing money, Granny's cookie jar savings, lots of neat guns including heirloom weapons from WWII and even the American Revolution, you name it, cops have walked off with it, refusing to give a requested receipt. Then there's the POWER. And the toys. Every cop out there these days, just about, wants to be a Die Hard, a Lethal Weapon. They want all the newest and neatest toys, and when they have them they can't not use them! "Less lethal" Taser morphs quickly into "NON-lethal" and that snotnosed teen who failed to grovel enough or quickly enough in the mistaken belief that he has rights in the face of a SUPERCOP gets tased, and then it's all gravy: tell him to get up and beat it. Well, he CAN'T get up because he's just been stunned, so he can be tased again and again with the excuse that he failed to obey a police officer. Then, to quote the Time Allen character Tim Taylor, there’s “MORE POWER!” yet: cops can take anyone's home with no more than a threat to a career criminal on parole who's forced to "sell" a joint to someone who - oops! - gets away, though the "sale" is witnessed taking place in the yard of the targeted house. This renders the house vulnerable to forfeiture, as it becomes guilty of a drug crime. The money and power just keep growing, and no one wants to turn loose of that much of either, much less both. No one ever has, and I don't think anyone ever will without being forced to. Not to mention that the Prison Guards Union and the private prison industry, which trades on the NASDAQ and constantly needs new criminals (so we continue to criminalize normal, harmless behavior) are very supportive of the DEA and local SWAT style busts; they have a budding slave labor industry to consider, as corporations are using prisoners loaned or rented to them to do dangerous, toxic work without having to bother with safety gear, medical benefits and all that expensive stuff for only a quarter a day in pay, if that much.
But CPPs are an easy target: we can barely function, much less fight back, especially when you cut us off from our doctors. The doctors are following the law AND medical treatment standards, so they think they're safe. Neither is true. Both are being callously destroyed by the Drug Warriors. Now this: a Drug Czar who seems unaware of all 78 million of us. As he removes other targets of the DEA, if that actually works out, they will increasingly go after us. We don't even shoot back, you see.
Ian
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 4:04 AM
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Folks who are old enough will remember this propaganda euphemism of the Vietnam war.
Kerlikowske is an obedient shill and propagandist for a right-wing drug warrior administration that wants to be viewed as an instrument of change but in reality its only change is escalation and militarization of the status quo. They mouth words of change just so they can be associated with the words. But in reality they are still arresting people. Still destroying young lives. Still imposing crime and terrorism on the U.S. and the world with a drug war policy that subsidizes crime and terrorism.
Obama's Quagmire on the Rio Grande
The White House sees a lot of negative political connotations to the phrase "war on drugs". They do not want to be associated with the negative political baggage so they lie. They mouth words about ending the drug war just to get the words into the media and lexicon in association with them. But in fact and reality they are escalating and militarizing the war on drugs. In fact and reality OBAMA has promised to intensify the domestic drug war.
"We have a responsibility as well, we have to do our part," Obama said. He said the U.S. must crack down on drug use... Obama Militarizing Drug War Lies
Ultimate in political duplicity
The Obama hypocrites see the negative political connotations to the term "war on drugs". They see that being associated with the term is a losing proposition politically. So they are trying to disassociate themselves with the term. But only the term. They still support the drug war policy. They still enforce a prohibition that funds crime and terrorism. They have increased funds to arrest and incarcerate Americans for drug use.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says it supports needle exchange but it continues the ban in appropriations bills.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says it supports medical marijuana and will stop the raids on medical cannabis facilities but the raids continue.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says it wants to end the "war on drugs" while it increases funding for the drug war and promises to intensify the domestic drug war that does so much harm to America's poor and black communities today.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says one thing and does the opposite.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 4:19 AM
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But Obama is not ending the war on drugs he is simply ending his association with the term 'war on drugs'.
In an ultimate act of cynical political hypocrisy the Drug Warrior Obama is ONLY disassociating himself with the term that has negative political baggage attached to it. Drug Warrior Obama is not ending the war on drugs. He is escalating it.
Obama sees the negative connotations clearly enough to try and disassociate himself from those negative connotations, RHETORICALLY. But he is not disavowing the policy that has actually accumulated the negative connotations.
The Drug Warrior Obama thinks that he can simplistically re-brand the war on drugs and everything will be fine. He can then escalate and militarize the 'police action' as much as he wants. As much as it pleases his owners in the police and prison guard unions and the prison industrial complex.
What level of moral depravity does it take for Obama to see so clearly the atrocity of the drug war that he does not want to be associated with the term but then intensify and escalate that same atrocious policy?
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 5:18 AM
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His cynical hypocritical semantics games may fool Democrats but it cannot fool informed Americans.
Every time that I refer to Barack Obama I will refer to him as Drug Warrior Obama. He can't hide from reality with compromised manipulated political rhetoric.
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He can spin but he can't hide.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 6:22 AM
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Posted by: picket on May 15, 2009 6:45 AM
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"It was just an unfortunate choice of words? No, it wasn't. It was well researched and thought out, and paid for with taxes taken from all our labor, to enrage and mobilize one group of people against another...It was meant to be incendiary and terrifying..as wars are.
"...just a case of unfortunate rhetoric? Hmmm, Jackboots. Helmets. Armor. Battering rams for crashing quickly through the doors of homes. Windows broken, flash bombs,sudden overwhelming assault on people's homes with killing weapons drawn to kill any animal or people that might resist the assault...mistakenly or not. Women crying, children traumatized and screaming in terror. People dead and in cages."
"Military surplus diverted to the "Warriors"...There are helicopters and planes swooping low over homes...they're drawing blood and cutting chunks of hair...to make people aware that they and the most private parts of their lives are under serious surveillance by the powers in high places...
"As it is, it's a war, a war by any other name is still a war. I'll believe it's not a war when I see it's not a war."
Thank you HOPE.
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Posted by: vasumurti on May 15, 2009 7:03 AM
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In a message to Congress on August 2, 1977, President Jimmy Carter insisted: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."
Tobacco kills about 430,700 each year. Alcohol and alcohol-related diseases and injuries kill about 110,000 per year. Secondhand tobacco smoke kills about 50,000 every year. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs kill 7,600 each year. Cocaine kills about 500 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Heroin kills about 400 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Adverse reactions to prescription drugs total 32,000 per year, while marijuana kills no one.
According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.” Close to 100 million Americans, including over half of those between the ages of 18 and 50, have tried marijuana at least once. Military and police recruiters often have no alternative but to ignore past marijuana use by job seekers.
In 1996, California voters passed a law to regulate medical marijuana within the state. In 2000, voters in California approved an initiative allowing people who are arrested for simple possession of drugs to go through a rehabilitation program rather than through the court process that would result in prison. Since the program began, most agree it has been very successful. It results in less recidivism and is considered cheaper than imprisonment.
Richard Posner, Chicago's chief judge of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. Posner, a Reagan administration appointee once described by American Lawyer magazine as “the most brilliant judge in the country,” explained his views on marijuana in The Times Literary Supplement, a British publication, and in later interview:
“It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," says Posner. "I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole.”
Posner is the highest-ranking judge to publicly favor the repeal of marijuana laws. Several judges of the federal district court, a level lower than the appeals court, have made similar calls, including Robert Sweet of New York and James Paine of Florida, both Carter Administration appointees.
New York University law professor Burt Neuborne said it's significant that “one of the leading intellectuals in the judicial system recognizes that the laws don't seem to be working well.”
Posner and other federal judges have complained that sentencing guidelines force them to give unjustly severe prison sentences to relatively minor drug offenders. Says Posner: “Prison terms in America have become appallingly long, especially for conduct that, arguably, should not be criminal at all. Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility.”
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 15, 2009 7:16 AM
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Maybe we can be more sensible in our drug laws, remember Prohibition didn't work either!
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Posted by: mikeblack on May 15, 2009 8:05 AM
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They’re making a few key PR concessions, since public support is clearly in favor of scaling the drug war back (or ending it altogether, depending on your politics.) There’s already numerous needle exchange programs in large cities, so I don’t think the administration saying they’ll open more is that big of a deal. They’ll still bust you if you get pulled over with some of those used needles in your car going to one. Ending DEA raids on medical pot farms is great and all, but they’re not going to end charging you with drug possession for it, or quitting the act of DEA thugs raiding suspected dealers/small time growers.
It’s all lip service. Until the day where the President commutes the sentences of all non-violent drug offenders into time served and releases them, announces you no longer stand the risk of a lengthy prison sentence for possession, the DEA will no longer steal all of your possessions if you’re a suspected dealer, and we're not going to commit acts of violence against Mexican and South American cartels. Then the drug war just has a kinder, gentler new name. Change with an asterisk.
Hey, how is that repeal on military tribunals going, Barack? Oh, right.
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Posted by: aonghus36 on May 15, 2009 8:22 AM
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The tradition of electing married people, which makes them "responsible", just has too many drawbacks in my current opinion.
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Posted by: CaliJim on May 15, 2009 9:52 AM
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Anyone remember when law enforcement officers were the "Servants and Protectors" of the public? How many people in the US feel that way about law enforcement now?
When you declare war on your own population, it changes the law enforcement/citizenry dynamic completely. No longer viewing the civilian population as fellow citizens to be protected and assisted, the drug warrior increasingly has viewed the civilian population as a separate (probably criminal) group that they are charged with controlling...much as an occupying army attempts to control and defend themselves against a hostile population.
The incidents of innocent people being murdered by DEA and SWAT agents exercising "no-knock" warrants against incorrectly identified homes, arresting and jailing cancer patients and other people with severe medical conditions...and their supporters...despite the legalization of medical marijuana by states, etc., clearly shows the change in mentality on the part of those law enforcement agents. In their minds, they've already decided those people are dangerous criminals and adopted the "shoot first and ask questions later" method of law enforcement.
The fact that all the available information clearly shows that Marijuana is not dangerous at all...and that the other illegal drugs are much less dangerous than many other activities that are legal...is a sad, sad revelation that our drug laws are more than simply nonsensical...they are dangerous and extremely counterproductive.
We need a new, rational approach that will save lives, careers, wasteful court and jail expenses...while actually generating some tax revenue for our cash strapped states and federal government.
Change we can believe in?
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Posted by: oregoncharles on May 15, 2009 10:25 AM
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So the "Drug Czar" "supports" ending the "War on Drugs", funding needle exchanges, stopping raids on medical marijuana dispensaries - but the ACTIONS remain the same.
So now we have Ronnie Ray-gun with dark skin. Great. At least he doesn't use that creepy "grandfatherly" voice Ronnie always used. Do you suppose that's next?
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 11:04 AM
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The link above is for the drug czar's office. It is setup to capture welcome statements to Kerlikowske from the public. I changed the title box to a thing about the "end of the drug war" assertion and sent Kerlikowske the following letter.
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As long as the Obama Administration continues to expend significant military, police and prison resources on the oppression of unpopular intoxicant consuming Americans the war on drugs WILL be a war on the American people. A civil war.
Police and prisons are not a public health response to disease.
The Obama administration can try to hide from the negative political connotations of the term "war on drugs" but as long as it continues to escalate and militarize the policy it will be seen as the duplicitous hypocrisy that it is.
And the drug czar will be seen as a treasonous government subsidized propagandist for the drug gangs, cartels and terrorist organizations that all thrive in the black market imposed by the war on drugs prohibition policy.
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Posted by: Defenestrator on May 15, 2009 11:19 AM
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Facts and statistics from DrugWarFacts.org (PDF file)
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Posted by: zipper696 on May 15, 2009 11:25 AM
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Free needles, needle drops and exchanges, methadone clinics and rehab on demand, MJ whilst technically illegal is "tolerated".
The stereotype image of drug crazed, clog wearing Dutchies prone on the streets of Amsterdam is far from the reality.
The only prone figures are visitors from France, Germany, England and the US toppled by the quality weed on offer.
The vast percentage of Dutch are NOT users, even of MJ, it's a teen/student rite of passage and most leave it behind when the job market beckons.
I seem to recall that there were high level meetings pre-Bush/Cheney to discuss "The Problem" - of course once the Chickenhawk Fundamentalists took power that was ejected as "the work of Satan".
Let's hope the Obama Administration is truly committed to making this huge sea change in attitude which, if sucessful will show the world that the USA can be civilised once more.
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Posted by: MaudDib on May 15, 2009 11:30 AM
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No one wants to stand in front of it to hold it up much longer..
The public is hugely against continuing this nonsense...
In all sense and purpose.. its all over but the cleaning...
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Posted by: rimchamp77 on May 15, 2009 11:46 AM
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That would not deter any state from adopting its own drug war. And - if the drug czar demands actual measurable standards - adopt its own schedules based on actual measurable standards. The DEA could help enforce state drug laws. I seriously doubt that the clout of the pharmaceutical industry would allow the adoption of actual measurable standards that would hinder their profit margins. Sorry about that religious extremists in this country.
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Posted by: joebanana on May 15, 2009 3:48 PM
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Our government isn't supposed to inflict harm, they're supposed to prevent it. Right? So WTF happened?
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Posted by: doctim11 on May 15, 2009 8:11 PM
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Posted by: jjsx21 on May 15, 2009 8:22 PM
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Big Hearing at the Tenth Circuit Today on Painkiller Issue
Wednesday, May 6th, 2009
A couple of weeks ago over at Hit & Run, Jacob Sullum blogged about a case in Kansas where the government seems to be targeting not only Stephen Schneider, a physician specializing in pain treatment and his wife Linda, but also Siobhan Reynolds, who heads up the pain patient advocacy group the Pain Relief Network.
Reynolds has become a sort of shoestring-budgeted PR machine for doctors under investigation whom she believes are getting railroaded. She educates local media on pain treatment, including the sometimes very high doses of medication needed to treat patients who have built up a tolerance to opiods. Her efforts in the Schneider case have resulted in some refreshingly balanced coverage. And that apparently has Assistant U.S. Attorney Tanya Treadway steaming.
As Sullum noted, last year Treadway tried to impose a gag order on Reynolds. She was denied. Several of Schneider’s patients who had spoken out on his behalf say shortly after, federal agents forced their way into their homes, in one case confiscating a letter Schneider had written from prison.
So Treadway is now calling Reynolds the “subject” of a grand jury investigation into possible obstruction of justice. Treadway has asked Reynolds to turn over all of her correspondence with pain patients, attorneys, the Schneiders, and just about everyone else in any way associated with the case. Reynolds is fighting the subpoena, and is now represented by the ACLU.
Last year, Treadway also attempted to bar the Schneiders from obtaining court-appointed counsel, citing their considerable wealth. The problem is that everything the Schneiders own is subject to forfeiture, meaning any attorney who agreed to take their case would do so knowing there would be a pretty good chance he’d never get paid. The government essentially argued that the accused couple should have no counsel in court (unless they could find someone to take the case pro bono), and be barred by law from having anyone defend them in public. When all of that failed, they asked for a change in venue, claiming that patients and Reynolds speaking out for the Schneiders had tainted the jury pool.
Treadway’s efforts are particularly egregious given that it has become pretty standard practice for U.S. attorneys to issue press releases and sometimes even call press conferences to announce when a physician has been indicted for over-prescribing painkillers—as they did in the Schneider case. The government can work the media and jury pool all it likes. But when a suspect gets an advocate who knows how to work the media, they first try to shut her up with a gag order, then intimidate her with a grand jury investigation.
But Treadway’s aggressiveness may well come back to bite her. Her office originally tried to link the Schneiders’ practice to 56 alleged patient overdose deaths. U.S. District Judge Monti Belot balked, and threw out all of the deaths but four. He then sternly warned Treadway not to appeal his decision. Belot also instructed the government not to use inflammatory descriptions like “pill mill” in front of the jury, another common tactic in these cases.
Treadway appealed anyway, delaying the Schneiders’ trial by months. The interesting thing is that her appeal allowed the defense to file a cross-appeal that will challenge not only Treadway’s attempt to link the Schneiders to the four remaining deaths, but also the government’s entire methodology of using “red flags” and questionable links to patient deaths to prosecute pain doctors.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on May 16, 2009 2:05 AM
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"While I don't necessarily disagree with Gil's focus on treatment and demand reduction, I don't want to see it at the expense of law enforcement. People need to understand that when they violate the law there are consequences."
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Posted by: wtfo on May 16, 2009 8:01 AM
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I think that if we really understood the ultimate cost - in human terms and in dollars -on our silly 'war on drugs' we would be infuriated by the cost of the results we have amassed so far.
Instead of learning how to intelligently deal with an ever-widening field of "drugs" and their pernicious effects on our society, we took a silly, infantile, knee-jerk reaction as the "solution". Instead of dealing with what's ultimately a problem with the chemical effects of certain substances on the human body we decided to simply punish anybody who, for whatever reason, got tangled up with them.
Do you think for one minute that people who managed to destroy their health, livelihood, family structure, personal wealth, etc. - and ended up in prison with a lifelong, desperate, continuing inner struggle to avoid future contact with drugs - did this to themselves for a reason? Wouldn't it be better for all of us to deal with the real problem here? I have always personally wondered why a society as advanced as we say ours is cannot finally get it through their thick heads that we should probably learn how to deal with a chemical problem thru chemical solutions.
What if we put the money we are spending on "the war on drugs" to learn how to turn off the effects on the brain that makes us want them in the first place? We do things like this every day in our corporate and government drug labs when we try to use new chemicals (interestingly, called "drugs") to turn off the body's affinity to bacteria and viruses that cause disease. Why not do the same thing for drug abuse? Isn't the problem with drug abuse (and its aftermath) more similar to a health issue than it is to a criminal/military issue?
Unfortunately, dealing with our drug problem in this way would not finally, once and for all, and permanently end the problem - the way things are sometimes accomplished through warfare. However, societal problems are not flesh and blood enemies that can simply be slaughtered as "a final solution". Treating our drug problems as health problems would instead cause us to deal with then one-on-one through the same scientific methods we use to deal with our continuing health issues. As our society manages to find new, creative substances that we self-destructively crave (AKA "drugs"), we could simply add these new threats to our list of medical problems to be addressed through appropriate mechanisms.
Wouldn't this be a more humane and effective solution to all involved than treating these problems as enemies of the state to be dealt with the same way one would deal with a criminal, terrorist, or invader?
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Posted by: aahpat on May 16, 2009 10:17 AM
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It is the judicially coerced and imposed re-education/rehabilitation system that prevents America from solving its drug problems.
It is the expenditure of tens of billions of dollars a year on police state authoritarian prohibition policies, continued and escalated by the Obama administration, that prevent solving the problem.
Kerlikowske is a phony. So is Obama. Puritanical authoritarian phonies who think that simplistically re-branding the name of the policy will make all of the evils of the policy suddenly palatable to the Americans who were duped into supporting Obama because they thought that he would do something responsible. Instead all they got from Obama was escalation, militarization and lying duplicitous propaganda.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 19, 2009 7:40 PM
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More and more of us are becoming aware of just how profitable the War On Drugs really is in certain quarters, specifically law enforcement, the pharmaceutical industry, the political industry (for so it is now; politicians get the greatest benefits from the private sector, usually, though not always, after retiring into the private sector from public “service,” and the private prison industry, which must accommodate - warehouse - all of the non-violent offenders who make of the majority of the almost two and a quarter million citizens who are incarcerated because they grew, possessed, or used this plant. Traditionally the states have been the laboratories where new medications and medical techniques were tested; the states have always had control of how medicine is practiced within their own borders, but no longer. Using the fear and panic generated by government-generated misinformation backed and formulated by professional advertising firms, then hammered into the minds of the populace in everything from government-sponsored television commercial, and, aided by a complicit mainstream media (MSM) owned by less than a handful of the self-styled “Elites”, the super-wealthy old banking and industrial families like the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and so on, this illegal propaganda is slid even into medical school curricula so that the graduating doctors know no more about the use of opiate medications for long-term pain, and sometimes even just for acute pain, than the average patient does.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 19, 2009 7:49 PM
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The citizens of America are allowed the illusion of voting, but in truth, we are in control of nothing that really matters, and this matters. Too many powerful people and agencies are profiting too much from the War On Drugs - which is no less than a war on our own citizens - for them to allow it to be nipped in the bud by livestock - the "Elite" definition, or description - of us peons.
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Posted by: paganpat on May 20, 2009 10:54 PM
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Posted by: xmvince on May 25, 2009 4:17 PM
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She can't possibly believe what she's saying is true. Even a child could see that the government is overstepping their bounds.
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Posted by: bryangalt on May 15, 2009 2:26 AM
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However, the resulting expenditures that created the behemouth of federal, state and local agencies to implement this 'war' has been very beneficial to those within the system such as DEA agents, prison system authorities, lawyers, CIA, FBI, and WTF!
Yes, the fact that this country has paid enough money into the system to purchase the entire supply of cocaine, marijuana and meth outright, thus taking it completely off the streets, and to have purchased every acre of land in South America should tell you everything you would ever need to know about the true reasons behind this 'war' and why the our spineless leaders in Congress can't bring themselves to turn off the money fountain that supports these agencies.
The fact that the CIA was busted for running drugs to help finance the weapons purchases for the Iran/Contra scandal is a great example of how the government was using one arm to bust low-level people while using its covert arm to bring more supplies in for quick distribution.
Doesn't it make you sick to know that OUR Representatives, the people that we elect to look out for the best interests of this nation and its citizens, are so beholden to the nation's agencies that they simply will not put a stop to the continuation of a program that could never have succeeded in the first place?
In Portugal, all drugs have been legalized over five years ago. Guess what happened. Overall use of all drugs stabilized and started to drop. Drug treatment programs tripled their enrollments. Incarceration and interdiction expenses for drugs fell over 50% and continue to drop.
Did the sky fall on Portugal because they decided to let people get wired, high or whatever they enjoyed? Nope. The best part for them was they could use their money to focus on who needs help to kick their habits instead of building more prisons for people that will ALWAYS BE ADDICTS--ALWAYS. There is no known cure, period.
Addiction is a health issue. Would we send people to prison because they get cancer? Well, it's the same thing isn't it?
So, let's hope that Obama and Congress can bring an end to this overhyped 'war' so we can focus our money on things that matter, such as treatment, expansion of free education through a BA/BS degree, expansion of health care and bringing our species back from the brink with our hell-bent rush to global warming.
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Tell Obama and your elected representatives that it's time to legalize and regulate marijuana.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 15, 2009 3:52 AM
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There are an estimated 78,000,000 CPPs in America who are under- or untreated; as far as the DEA is concerned apparently, all are addicts, deserving of prison. Something like 1%-3% of the population are possible addicts; the percentage of people with chronic pain is far larger, especially consider us aging Baby Boomers. But go to most doctors with pain and you'll get almost anything but the medications that actually treat pain most effectively and safely: opiates. Thousands of people die of NSAID toxicity, far more than ever die of opiate overdose, but it's the NSAIDs we're most forced to rely on, as ineffective as they are. They sometimes help a little, in dangerously high doses. The war on drugs and an insane and power-mad DEA, enabled by a radical right administration, has become ever more destructive, and in this field of medicine, the DEA is running medicine from a cop's point of view with a very simple formula: [opiates+people=addicts and crime], period. What the actual law is, what the regulations or the science say, even an agreement that took years to negotiate between medical associations and the DEA all make no difference. They'll throw it all out and do what they please if they decide to go after a doctor. And they can attack forever, take your records, bank accounts, license, home and office building and your liberty. Because of this, many good doctors who DO know the correct way to treat chronic pain dare not (called "the Chilling Effect"), and like many, many others, will deliberately and knowingly under-treat such patients if they treat them at all.
Probably all of you have "information" you're certain of regarding these medications. Just as likely, 90% of it or more is pure propaganda, like the "information" the government puts out about marijuana. I won't even list it all here; you've all heard it anyway. But even doctors aren't immune to it, and even they spew this false information at us when we ask for treatment. Have I mentioned that a substantial number of us die every year by our own hands, in despair or choosing not to live with unending pain any more? considering it's perfectly treatable, even often curable, that's inexcusable!
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Posted by: drricklippin on May 15, 2009 3:56 AM
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The American people were the real losers of thus war this war bigtime-especially the poor and the minorities.
The only "winners" were the prison and drug testing industries.
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 15, 2009 4:00 AM
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Like many if not most of us, I've repeatedly gone from working part-time, able to clean the house (carefully), cook our meals, wash dishes, care of the yard, etc, all carefully, with rest between efforts and on my own schedule, and then suddenly had those terrible, soul-stealing opiates removed, always for my own good, of course. From functional and useful, I've gone to homeless and non-functional. It's a repeating story with this disease. Oh, and it is, officially, a disease: it gets worse if left untreated, it spreads to other parts of the body, it damages other organs and systems and shortens the patient's life. I causes arthritis, loss of brain mass, triggers lupus, type II diabetes and many other secondary disorders, but the cause is pain. Here's a myth for you: "Pain never killed anyone." Wrong.
The DEA gets something like $20bn a year in funding, NOT counting civil forfeitures and other sources of funding. Cops who participate in house raids also get to walk off with "evidence" that never gets listed anywhere. This is why they do house raids instead of busting the target on the way to the doctor's office or a restaurant or somesuch; they can't stay in the house forever. House raids are the most deadly, and contain the vast majority of police vs innocent civilians errors as well. Ah, but that non-evidence: a kid's lawn mowing money, Granny's cookie jar savings, lots of neat guns including heirloom weapons from WWII and even the American Revolution, you name it, cops have walked off with it, refusing to give a requested receipt. Then there's the POWER. And the toys. Every cop out there these days, just about, wants to be a Die Hard, a Lethal Weapon. They want all the newest and neatest toys, and when they have them they can't not use them! "Less lethal" Taser morphs quickly into "NON-lethal" and that snotnosed teen who failed to grovel enough or quickly enough in the mistaken belief that he has rights in the face of a SUPERCOP gets tased, and then it's all gravy: tell him to get up and beat it. Well, he CAN'T get up because he's just been stunned, so he can be tased again and again with the excuse that he failed to obey a police officer. Then, to quote the Time Allen character Tim Taylor, there’s “MORE POWER!” yet: cops can take anyone's home with no more than a threat to a career criminal on parole who's forced to "sell" a joint to someone who - oops! - gets away, though the "sale" is witnessed taking place in the yard of the targeted house. This renders the house vulnerable to forfeiture, as it becomes guilty of a drug crime. The money and power just keep growing, and no one wants to turn loose of that much of either, much less both. No one ever has, and I don't think anyone ever will without being forced to. Not to mention that the Prison Guards Union and the private prison industry, which trades on the NASDAQ and constantly needs new criminals (so we continue to criminalize normal, harmless behavior) are very supportive of the DEA and local SWAT style busts; they have a budding slave labor industry to consider, as corporations are using prisoners loaned or rented to them to do dangerous, toxic work without having to bother with safety gear, medical benefits and all that expensive stuff for only a quarter a day in pay, if that much.
But CPPs are an easy target: we can barely function, much less fight back, especially when you cut us off from our doctors. The doctors are following the law AND medical treatment standards, so they think they're safe. Neither is true. Both are being callously destroyed by the Drug Warriors. Now this: a Drug Czar who seems unaware of all 78 million of us. As he removes other targets of the DEA, if that actually works out, they will increasingly go after us. We don't even shoot back, you see.
Ian
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 4:04 AM
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Folks who are old enough will remember this propaganda euphemism of the Vietnam war.
Kerlikowske is an obedient shill and propagandist for a right-wing drug warrior administration that wants to be viewed as an instrument of change but in reality its only change is escalation and militarization of the status quo. They mouth words of change just so they can be associated with the words. But in reality they are still arresting people. Still destroying young lives. Still imposing crime and terrorism on the U.S. and the world with a drug war policy that subsidizes crime and terrorism.
Obama's Quagmire on the Rio Grande
The White House sees a lot of negative political connotations to the phrase "war on drugs". They do not want to be associated with the negative political baggage so they lie. They mouth words about ending the drug war just to get the words into the media and lexicon in association with them. But in fact and reality they are escalating and militarizing the war on drugs. In fact and reality OBAMA has promised to intensify the domestic drug war.
"We have a responsibility as well, we have to do our part," Obama said. He said the U.S. must crack down on drug use... Obama Militarizing Drug War Lies
Ultimate in political duplicity
The Obama hypocrites see the negative political connotations to the term "war on drugs". They see that being associated with the term is a losing proposition politically. So they are trying to disassociate themselves with the term. But only the term. They still support the drug war policy. They still enforce a prohibition that funds crime and terrorism. They have increased funds to arrest and incarcerate Americans for drug use.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says it supports needle exchange but it continues the ban in appropriations bills.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says it supports medical marijuana and will stop the raids on medical cannabis facilities but the raids continue.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says it wants to end the "war on drugs" while it increases funding for the drug war and promises to intensify the domestic drug war that does so much harm to America's poor and black communities today.
The Drug Warrior Obama Administration says one thing and does the opposite.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 4:19 AM
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But Obama is not ending the war on drugs he is simply ending his association with the term 'war on drugs'.
In an ultimate act of cynical political hypocrisy the Drug Warrior Obama is ONLY disassociating himself with the term that has negative political baggage attached to it. Drug Warrior Obama is not ending the war on drugs. He is escalating it.
Obama sees the negative connotations clearly enough to try and disassociate himself from those negative connotations, RHETORICALLY. But he is not disavowing the policy that has actually accumulated the negative connotations.
The Drug Warrior Obama thinks that he can simplistically re-brand the war on drugs and everything will be fine. He can then escalate and militarize the 'police action' as much as he wants. As much as it pleases his owners in the police and prison guard unions and the prison industrial complex.
What level of moral depravity does it take for Obama to see so clearly the atrocity of the drug war that he does not want to be associated with the term but then intensify and escalate that same atrocious policy?
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 5:18 AM
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His cynical hypocritical semantics games may fool Democrats but it cannot fool informed Americans.
Every time that I refer to Barack Obama I will refer to him as Drug Warrior Obama. He can't hide from reality with compromised manipulated political rhetoric.
Drug Warrior Barack Obama
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He can spin but he can't hide.
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Posted by: picket on May 15, 2009 6:45 AM
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"It was just an unfortunate choice of words? No, it wasn't. It was well researched and thought out, and paid for with taxes taken from all our labor, to enrage and mobilize one group of people against another...It was meant to be incendiary and terrifying..as wars are.
"...just a case of unfortunate rhetoric? Hmmm, Jackboots. Helmets. Armor. Battering rams for crashing quickly through the doors of homes. Windows broken, flash bombs,sudden overwhelming assault on people's homes with killing weapons drawn to kill any animal or people that might resist the assault...mistakenly or not. Women crying, children traumatized and screaming in terror. People dead and in cages."
"Military surplus diverted to the "Warriors"...There are helicopters and planes swooping low over homes...they're drawing blood and cutting chunks of hair...to make people aware that they and the most private parts of their lives are under serious surveillance by the powers in high places...
"As it is, it's a war, a war by any other name is still a war. I'll believe it's not a war when I see it's not a war."
Thank you HOPE.
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Posted by: vasumurti on May 15, 2009 7:03 AM
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In a message to Congress on August 2, 1977, President Jimmy Carter insisted: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."
Tobacco kills about 430,700 each year. Alcohol and alcohol-related diseases and injuries kill about 110,000 per year. Secondhand tobacco smoke kills about 50,000 every year. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs kill 7,600 each year. Cocaine kills about 500 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Heroin kills about 400 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Adverse reactions to prescription drugs total 32,000 per year, while marijuana kills no one.
According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.” Close to 100 million Americans, including over half of those between the ages of 18 and 50, have tried marijuana at least once. Military and police recruiters often have no alternative but to ignore past marijuana use by job seekers.
In 1996, California voters passed a law to regulate medical marijuana within the state. In 2000, voters in California approved an initiative allowing people who are arrested for simple possession of drugs to go through a rehabilitation program rather than through the court process that would result in prison. Since the program began, most agree it has been very successful. It results in less recidivism and is considered cheaper than imprisonment.
Richard Posner, Chicago's chief judge of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. Posner, a Reagan administration appointee once described by American Lawyer magazine as “the most brilliant judge in the country,” explained his views on marijuana in The Times Literary Supplement, a British publication, and in later interview:
“It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," says Posner. "I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole.”
Posner is the highest-ranking judge to publicly favor the repeal of marijuana laws. Several judges of the federal district court, a level lower than the appeals court, have made similar calls, including Robert Sweet of New York and James Paine of Florida, both Carter Administration appointees.
New York University law professor Burt Neuborne said it's significant that “one of the leading intellectuals in the judicial system recognizes that the laws don't seem to be working well.”
Posner and other federal judges have complained that sentencing guidelines force them to give unjustly severe prison sentences to relatively minor drug offenders. Says Posner: “Prison terms in America have become appallingly long, especially for conduct that, arguably, should not be criminal at all. Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility.”
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 15, 2009 7:16 AM
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Maybe we can be more sensible in our drug laws, remember Prohibition didn't work either!
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Posted by: mikeblack on May 15, 2009 8:05 AM
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They’re making a few key PR concessions, since public support is clearly in favor of scaling the drug war back (or ending it altogether, depending on your politics.) There’s already numerous needle exchange programs in large cities, so I don’t think the administration saying they’ll open more is that big of a deal. They’ll still bust you if you get pulled over with some of those used needles in your car going to one. Ending DEA raids on medical pot farms is great and all, but they’re not going to end charging you with drug possession for it, or quitting the act of DEA thugs raiding suspected dealers/small time growers.
It’s all lip service. Until the day where the President commutes the sentences of all non-violent drug offenders into time served and releases them, announces you no longer stand the risk of a lengthy prison sentence for possession, the DEA will no longer steal all of your possessions if you’re a suspected dealer, and we're not going to commit acts of violence against Mexican and South American cartels. Then the drug war just has a kinder, gentler new name. Change with an asterisk.
Hey, how is that repeal on military tribunals going, Barack? Oh, right.
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Posted by: aonghus36 on May 15, 2009 8:22 AM
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The tradition of electing married people, which makes them "responsible", just has too many drawbacks in my current opinion.
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Posted by: CaliJim on May 15, 2009 9:52 AM
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Anyone remember when law enforcement officers were the "Servants and Protectors" of the public? How many people in the US feel that way about law enforcement now?
When you declare war on your own population, it changes the law enforcement/citizenry dynamic completely. No longer viewing the civilian population as fellow citizens to be protected and assisted, the drug warrior increasingly has viewed the civilian population as a separate (probably criminal) group that they are charged with controlling...much as an occupying army attempts to control and defend themselves against a hostile population.
The incidents of innocent people being murdered by DEA and SWAT agents exercising "no-knock" warrants against incorrectly identified homes, arresting and jailing cancer patients and other people with severe medical conditions...and their supporters...despite the legalization of medical marijuana by states, etc., clearly shows the change in mentality on the part of those law enforcement agents. In their minds, they've already decided those people are dangerous criminals and adopted the "shoot first and ask questions later" method of law enforcement.
The fact that all the available information clearly shows that Marijuana is not dangerous at all...and that the other illegal drugs are much less dangerous than many other activities that are legal...is a sad, sad revelation that our drug laws are more than simply nonsensical...they are dangerous and extremely counterproductive.
We need a new, rational approach that will save lives, careers, wasteful court and jail expenses...while actually generating some tax revenue for our cash strapped states and federal government.
Change we can believe in?
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Posted by: oregoncharles on May 15, 2009 10:25 AM
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So the "Drug Czar" "supports" ending the "War on Drugs", funding needle exchanges, stopping raids on medical marijuana dispensaries - but the ACTIONS remain the same.
So now we have Ronnie Ray-gun with dark skin. Great. At least he doesn't use that creepy "grandfatherly" voice Ronnie always used. Do you suppose that's next?
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http://www.judgejimgray.com/
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Posted by: aahpat on May 15, 2009 11:04 AM
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The link above is for the drug czar's office. It is setup to capture welcome statements to Kerlikowske from the public. I changed the title box to a thing about the "end of the drug war" assertion and sent Kerlikowske the following letter.
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As long as the Obama Administration continues to expend significant military, police and prison resources on the oppression of unpopular intoxicant consuming Americans the war on drugs WILL be a war on the American people. A civil war.
Police and prisons are not a public health response to disease.
The Obama administration can try to hide from the negative political connotations of the term "war on drugs" but as long as it continues to escalate and militarize the policy it will be seen as the duplicitous hypocrisy that it is.
And the drug czar will be seen as a treasonous government subsidized propagandist for the drug gangs, cartels and terrorist organizations that all thrive in the black market imposed by the war on drugs prohibition policy.
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Posted by: Defenestrator on May 15, 2009 11:19 AM
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Facts and statistics from DrugWarFacts.org (PDF file)
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Posted by: zipper696 on May 15, 2009 11:25 AM
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Free needles, needle drops and exchanges, methadone clinics and rehab on demand, MJ whilst technically illegal is "tolerated".
The stereotype image of drug crazed, clog wearing Dutchies prone on the streets of Amsterdam is far from the reality.
The only prone figures are visitors from France, Germany, England and the US toppled by the quality weed on offer.
The vast percentage of Dutch are NOT users, even of MJ, it's a teen/student rite of passage and most leave it behind when the job market beckons.
I seem to recall that there were high level meetings pre-Bush/Cheney to discuss "The Problem" - of course once the Chickenhawk Fundamentalists took power that was ejected as "the work of Satan".
Let's hope the Obama Administration is truly committed to making this huge sea change in attitude which, if sucessful will show the world that the USA can be civilised once more.
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Posted by: MaudDib on May 15, 2009 11:30 AM
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No one wants to stand in front of it to hold it up much longer..
The public is hugely against continuing this nonsense...
In all sense and purpose.. its all over but the cleaning...
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Posted by: rimchamp77 on May 15, 2009 11:46 AM
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That would not deter any state from adopting its own drug war. And - if the drug czar demands actual measurable standards - adopt its own schedules based on actual measurable standards. The DEA could help enforce state drug laws. I seriously doubt that the clout of the pharmaceutical industry would allow the adoption of actual measurable standards that would hinder their profit margins. Sorry about that religious extremists in this country.
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Posted by: joebanana on May 15, 2009 3:48 PM
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Our government isn't supposed to inflict harm, they're supposed to prevent it. Right? So WTF happened?
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Posted by: doctim11 on May 15, 2009 8:11 PM
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Big Hearing at the Tenth Circuit Today on Painkiller Issue
Wednesday, May 6th, 2009
A couple of weeks ago over at Hit & Run, Jacob Sullum blogged about a case in Kansas where the government seems to be targeting not only Stephen Schneider, a physician specializing in pain treatment and his wife Linda, but also Siobhan Reynolds, who heads up the pain patient advocacy group the Pain Relief Network.
Reynolds has become a sort of shoestring-budgeted PR machine for doctors under investigation whom she believes are getting railroaded. She educates local media on pain treatment, including the sometimes very high doses of medication needed to treat patients who have built up a tolerance to opiods. Her efforts in the Schneider case have resulted in some refreshingly balanced coverage. And that apparently has Assistant U.S. Attorney Tanya Treadway steaming.
As Sullum noted, last year Treadway tried to impose a gag order on Reynolds. She was denied. Several of Schneider’s patients who had spoken out on his behalf say shortly after, federal agents forced their way into their homes, in one case confiscating a letter Schneider had written from prison.
So Treadway is now calling Reynolds the “subject” of a grand jury investigation into possible obstruction of justice. Treadway has asked Reynolds to turn over all of her correspondence with pain patients, attorneys, the Schneiders, and just about everyone else in any way associated with the case. Reynolds is fighting the subpoena, and is now represented by the ACLU.
Last year, Treadway also attempted to bar the Schneiders from obtaining court-appointed counsel, citing their considerable wealth. The problem is that everything the Schneiders own is subject to forfeiture, meaning any attorney who agreed to take their case would do so knowing there would be a pretty good chance he’d never get paid. The government essentially argued that the accused couple should have no counsel in court (unless they could find someone to take the case pro bono), and be barred by law from having anyone defend them in public. When all of that failed, they asked for a change in venue, claiming that patients and Reynolds speaking out for the Schneiders had tainted the jury pool.
Treadway’s efforts are particularly egregious given that it has become pretty standard practice for U.S. attorneys to issue press releases and sometimes even call press conferences to announce when a physician has been indicted for over-prescribing painkillers—as they did in the Schneider case. The government can work the media and jury pool all it likes. But when a suspect gets an advocate who knows how to work the media, they first try to shut her up with a gag order, then intimidate her with a grand jury investigation.
But Treadway’s aggressiveness may well come back to bite her. Her office originally tried to link the Schneiders’ practice to 56 alleged patient overdose deaths. U.S. District Judge Monti Belot balked, and threw out all of the deaths but four. He then sternly warned Treadway not to appeal his decision. Belot also instructed the government not to use inflammatory descriptions like “pill mill” in front of the jury, another common tactic in these cases.
Treadway appealed anyway, delaying the Schneiders’ trial by months. The interesting thing is that her appeal allowed the defense to file a cross-appeal that will challenge not only Treadway’s attempt to link the Schneiders to the four remaining deaths, but also the government’s entire methodology of using “red flags” and questionable links to patient deaths to prosecute pain doctors.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on May 16, 2009 2:05 AM
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"While I don't necessarily disagree with Gil's focus on treatment and demand reduction, I don't want to see it at the expense of law enforcement. People need to understand that when they violate the law there are consequences."
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Posted by: wtfo on May 16, 2009 8:01 AM
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I think that if we really understood the ultimate cost - in human terms and in dollars -on our silly 'war on drugs' we would be infuriated by the cost of the results we have amassed so far.
Instead of learning how to intelligently deal with an ever-widening field of "drugs" and their pernicious effects on our society, we took a silly, infantile, knee-jerk reaction as the "solution". Instead of dealing with what's ultimately a problem with the chemical effects of certain substances on the human body we decided to simply punish anybody who, for whatever reason, got tangled up with them.
Do you think for one minute that people who managed to destroy their health, livelihood, family structure, personal wealth, etc. - and ended up in prison with a lifelong, desperate, continuing inner struggle to avoid future contact with drugs - did this to themselves for a reason? Wouldn't it be better for all of us to deal with the real problem here? I have always personally wondered why a society as advanced as we say ours is cannot finally get it through their thick heads that we should probably learn how to deal with a chemical problem thru chemical solutions.
What if we put the money we are spending on "the war on drugs" to learn how to turn off the effects on the brain that makes us want them in the first place? We do things like this every day in our corporate and government drug labs when we try to use new chemicals (interestingly, called "drugs") to turn off the body's affinity to bacteria and viruses that cause disease. Why not do the same thing for drug abuse? Isn't the problem with drug abuse (and its aftermath) more similar to a health issue than it is to a criminal/military issue?
Unfortunately, dealing with our drug problem in this way would not finally, once and for all, and permanently end the problem - the way things are sometimes accomplished through warfare. However, societal problems are not flesh and blood enemies that can simply be slaughtered as "a final solution". Treating our drug problems as health problems would instead cause us to deal with then one-on-one through the same scientific methods we use to deal with our continuing health issues. As our society manages to find new, creative substances that we self-destructively crave (AKA "drugs"), we could simply add these new threats to our list of medical problems to be addressed through appropriate mechanisms.
Wouldn't this be a more humane and effective solution to all involved than treating these problems as enemies of the state to be dealt with the same way one would deal with a criminal, terrorist, or invader?
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Posted by: aahpat on May 16, 2009 10:17 AM
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It is the judicially coerced and imposed re-education/rehabilitation system that prevents America from solving its drug problems.
It is the expenditure of tens of billions of dollars a year on police state authoritarian prohibition policies, continued and escalated by the Obama administration, that prevent solving the problem.
Kerlikowske is a phony. So is Obama. Puritanical authoritarian phonies who think that simplistically re-branding the name of the policy will make all of the evils of the policy suddenly palatable to the Americans who were duped into supporting Obama because they thought that he would do something responsible. Instead all they got from Obama was escalation, militarization and lying duplicitous propaganda.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 19, 2009 7:40 PM
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More and more of us are becoming aware of just how profitable the War On Drugs really is in certain quarters, specifically law enforcement, the pharmaceutical industry, the political industry (for so it is now; politicians get the greatest benefits from the private sector, usually, though not always, after retiring into the private sector from public “service,” and the private prison industry, which must accommodate - warehouse - all of the non-violent offenders who make of the majority of the almost two and a quarter million citizens who are incarcerated because they grew, possessed, or used this plant. Traditionally the states have been the laboratories where new medications and medical techniques were tested; the states have always had control of how medicine is practiced within their own borders, but no longer. Using the fear and panic generated by government-generated misinformation backed and formulated by professional advertising firms, then hammered into the minds of the populace in everything from government-sponsored television commercial, and, aided by a complicit mainstream media (MSM) owned by less than a handful of the self-styled “Elites”, the super-wealthy old banking and industrial families like the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and so on, this illegal propaganda is slid even into medical school curricula so that the graduating doctors know no more about the use of opiate medications for long-term pain, and sometimes even just for acute pain, than the average patient does.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on May 19, 2009 7:49 PM
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The citizens of America are allowed the illusion of voting, but in truth, we are in control of nothing that really matters, and this matters. Too many powerful people and agencies are profiting too much from the War On Drugs - which is no less than a war on our own citizens - for them to allow it to be nipped in the bud by livestock - the "Elite" definition, or description - of us peons.
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Posted by: xmvince on May 25, 2009 4:17 PM
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She can't possibly believe what she's saying is true. Even a child could see that the government is overstepping their bounds.
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