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Super Prude Prosecutors Charge Teenagers with Pornography and Worse For Sexy Text Messages

By JoAnn Wypijewski, The Nation. Posted May 1, 2009.


Sending a nude or semi-nude picture to a friend's cell phone is apparently a crime -- if you're a teen.
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    Taking nude pictures of yourself--nothing good can come of it.
       --Police Capt. George Seranko, Greensburg, Pennsylvania

      The police captain might be right, in one sense. Particularly for the unskilled or ill equipped, getting the angle right, the focus and lighting just so, might be an effort--too much for the unsteady hand, the shy poser, the butterfingers. Much better to take nude pictures with someone else, to make a game of it, a performance of seeing and being seen, an

      amuse-bouche

      before the banquet, or maybe in place of it. Safe sex, unless you're a teenager, in which case someone might want to arrest you.

      Captain Seranko made his observation after three girls and three boys at Greensburg Salem High School were charged with child pornography. The girls, ages 14 and 15, are charged with taking pictures of themselves, nude or seminude; the boys, 15, 16 and 17, with receiving them. The cellphone in which these dangerous images were lodged had been confiscated at school, not an outrageous exercise of authority if school officials had merely stashed the phone in a drawer, unmolested, until the student could collect it. But the officials had to snoop. One can picture their fevered actions, fumbling with the student's phone, opening one folder, then another, maddened as they press the wrong buttons and must begin again, without the nimbleness of youth--curses!--their otherwise desiccated imaginations now fertile with anticipated indecency; scouring through the teen's pictures and messages, expectant that their suspicions will be confirmed, certain that all they want is to protect the children... And yet, there they are, instant oglers, prying into places not meant for them, gazing at images not made for them, drenching the relationship between school authority and student in sex.

      The recent attention to teen "sexting" has focused quite a lot on the presumed self-exploitation of kids, not so much on the prurient reflex of grown-ups who spy on and punish them. It has dwelt quite a lot on the traps of technology, not so much on the desires that precede picking up a camera. Quite a lot on the question of whether the teens are sex offenders or merely stupid, sluttish or mean, not so much on the freedom to see and be. Quite a lot on the legal meaning of images, not so much on the ways in which making them might delight, or on the cultural freakout that colors law, images and how they are perceived.

      No one knows how many kids are poised for long sentences, life sentences (a possibility under federal law), plea deals that cast them in the pariah-land of sex offenders. Prosecutors have gone after teens in at least Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania. School and police investigators in many states have searched students' phones, and now that the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy has estimated that one in five teenagers is taking and sending nude or seminude pictures of themselves, and four in ten are sending sexed-up text messages, kids generally are at risk of surveillance or worse.

      Across the state from where Captain Seranko was discoursing on nude photographs, District Attorney George Skumanick Jr. was threatening sixteen girls and four boys with felony charges. Officials at Tunkhannock Area High School had confiscated phones, discovered about 100 photos and called the DA, who told reporters that the kids could face seven years in prison. In February, Skumanick convened parents to say that their kids were involved in a child porn investigation but could avoid being nailed by submitting to a ten-hour re-education program, paying $100 and agreeing to an "informal adjustment," in effect a guilty plea before judgment in the juvie system, which would put them on probation for at least six months and subject them to random drug tests. If the kids get in trouble while on probation, they could end up with a juvenile record of the sex offense. And once Pennsylvania amends its laws to make sex offender registration and notice requirements apply to juveniles over 14, as required by the federal Adam Walsh Act, they will apply retroactively--meaning kids with records will have their names and pictures displayed on the state's sex offender website for at least ten years.

      All but three families submitted to the DA's coercion. One father complained that his daughter was pictured simply wearing a bathing suit; Skumanick called the image "provocative," and she is being re-educated, writing a report on "Why it was wrong" to pose in her bathing suit, answering, "How did [it] affect the victim? The school? The community?" and learning "what it means to be a girl in today's society."


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    JoAnn Wypijewski, a former senior editor of The Nation, is based in New York City.

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    You are worse than the adults you slander
    Posted by: cordas on May 1, 2009 12:55 AM   
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    "The cellphone in which these dangerous images were lodged had been confiscated at school, not an outrageous exercise of authority if school officials had merely stashed the phone in a drawer, unmolested, until the student could collect it. But the officials had to snoop. One can picture their fevered actions, fumbling with the student's phone, opening one folder, then another, maddened as they press the wrong buttons and must begin again, without the nimbleness of youth--curses!--their otherwise desiccated imaginations now fertile with anticipated indecency.............."

    Sorry but you as a reporter have NO CREDIBILITY after writing such garbage, and Alternet once again fails to deal with issue of sex and sexuality in a grown up manner by refusing to publish your garbage!

    It is exactly BECAUSE of this type of re-action by "grown adults" that these kids are in the trouble they are in. If you had an ounce of maturity you would have accepted that the teachers did what they needed to do when dealing with teenagers using their phones in school in an inappropriate manner.

    Its reactions like yours that mean teachers can't have a quiet word with the teenagers and their parents and then just quietly and maturely look the other way and let these young adults turn into grown ups the way we did. Instead they have to go strictly by the rules in fear of being accused of a) prurient paedophilia b) not treating the manner seriously enough.

    I would say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you have the wit to realise how much a part of the problem you are.

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    » RE:What BS you throw. Posted by: walldodger1969
    » Well teacher Posted by: robert.noll
    » RE: Now I can't ignore you. Posted by: oregoncharles
    » Thank you, Archie... Posted by: morticia
    Text
    Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 1, 2009 2:04 AM   
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    The more I read, the more glad I am that I'm not a teenager these days. All of the usual stresses seem to be aggravated by technology.

    At the same time, some things haven't changed all that much. The system still uses teens as scapegoats, projecting adult demons like drinking and promiscuity onto them, and then trying to cleanse them of our "sins", so to speak.

    I also think the obsession with and sadism towards teens comes from bitterness and resentment: all those young, thin, pretty people with no responsibilities having a grand time while middle-aged cops, teachers, and neurotic parents grind away at their dead-end lives. Perhaps someone could explain to them that being a teen isn't as much fun as it looks, but I guess they want the pleasure of making sure it isn't.

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    » RE: Text Posted by: Mikie-likes-it
    First and Fourth Amendment Issues
    Posted by: red godowar on May 1, 2009 2:08 AM   
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    What these kids are doing amongst themselves is a "Free Speech" issue, plus a right of their own privacy.

    And who are these school officials, cops, and prosecutors who think they have the right to search and seize the contents of their phones without a warrant?

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    » RE: First and Fourth Amendment Issues Posted by: photon's feather
    » a teacher?? Posted by: techcafe
    » The the student and the parents Posted by: NYmediator
    » what you do..... Posted by: Cory.Goodman
    » RE: what you do..... Posted by: EncinoM
    » RE: First and Fourth Amendment Issues Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
    » Don't forget the Ninth Amendment Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
    Give 'em Hell
    Posted by: red godowar on May 1, 2009 2:11 AM   
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    If you are a parent or child involved in one of these cases, then you had better damn well give the government hell for its abuse of power, and violation of your rights.

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    » RE: Give 'em Hell Posted by: richholland
    Hysteria leads to bad laws.
    Posted by: DrBrian on May 1, 2009 2:49 AM   
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    The law should clearly take into account the ages of the people involved. An adult who is receiving sexually explicit materials from a minor ought to be prosecuted, but a minor should not. Normal adolescent behavior shouldn't be a crime, and the cops and prosecutors ought to have better things to do.

    This is another example of the hysteria generated by politicians and the media resulting in draconian laws.

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    » RE: Hysteria leads to bad laws. Posted by: photon's feather
    » Sanity at last! Posted by: colinmeister
    » RE: Sanity at last! Posted by: DrBrian
    » RE: Sanity at last! Posted by: photon's feather
    » RE: Sanity at last! Posted by: photon's feather
    » RE: Hysteria leads to bad laws. Posted by: richholland
    I really, really hate....
    Posted by: nonaste on May 1, 2009 3:31 AM   
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    when puritanical assholes have power over the rest of us. Criminalizing kids for this horseplay is nuts and now some jackass is proposing legislation to criminalize the same activity for folks over 6o. This is nuts. Next these perverted fools will bring back witch burning.

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    Social Conservatives In Action
    Posted by: Urgelt on May 1, 2009 3:35 AM   
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    What, exactly, is the disaster we are trying to prevent with all of these rules?

    Initially our social goal was to prevent child sexual abuse by adults. We heaped on rules to make it easier to prosecute offenders; everyone, left and right wing, agreed on that. But the rules have taken on a life of their own. Now it's not the abuse that is the focus of illegality, but the image itself; and we're discovering just how plastic an idea that is.

    Little of it makes sense to a progressive mind-set now; it's gone too far. If you take a photograph of a murder victim and publish it in a book, nobody accuses you of murder. But if you take a picture of yourself and are underage, you're guilty of child sexual abuse... of yourself. And anybody you share the picture with is also guilty of child sexual abuse - even though the only act they've performed is to receive packets of photons in their eyes and conjured in their minds an illusion of reality.

    Make no mistake, there is an element in this country that desires this outcome very much. The social conservative desires to control children absolutely. Stifle their sexuality, submerge it until it is invisible. No teen pregnancies, no furtive hand jobs, no fondling or necking, no gleaming naked limbs flashing in the sun as they run on a beach. No tatoos, piercings, or outward signs of rebellion in attire. No held-up signs mocking Jesus. No valedictory speeches which fail to honor their elders, affirm American greatness and credit God as their inspiration.

    No Nazi ever had ambition for controlling children more than an American social conservative does.

    Why? From whence does this powerful urge come?

    It's fear, folks, pure and simple. Society has embarked on a pace of change that is bewildering and even maddening, and the social conservative can't take it. He wants to put a straight jacket on children because if he doesn't, his way of life and belief system will die out, and he knows it.

    At his core, he understands he's on the losing side of an argument. History is moving in another direction entirely. The old social institutions are breaking: marriage fell to divorce, homemaker wives fell to working women, churches are disintegrating into smaller and smaller sects which disagree vehemently with each other. Homosexuality is out of the closet. The social conservative is paying taxes so black unemployed and unwed mothers can feed their kids - which drives him into a permanent state of rage. Youth rebellion has become a commercial commodity, and it sells - what else is hip-hop? Or any new musical form?

    You can buy baggy pants at Wal-Mart. The horror of it.

    The social conservative's only hope is to force kids into a conservative mold while they are still impressionable, and to apply vicious stigmas to those who won't conform. Stigmatizing "bad" kids doesn't bother him. He knows perfectly well he's tarring and feathering young people who will become, as adults, enemies of his ideology.

    So social conservatives are happy to put them on sexual offender lists. Give them criminal records. By all means, if they aren't social conservatives, it's the least they deserve. And they are surely not social conservatives, if they use technology to express their sexuality. That there's liberal behavior.

    I think it doesn't really occur to progressives that social conservatives could care so much about their ideology that they would harm children to promote it. That, my friends, is a failure of the imagination. They do care that much.

    It's about time we stopped underestimating how far they'll go. When social conservatives say they expect it will get bloody before it's over, you'd better believe it.

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    » RE: I Have Seen it Close Up Posted by: edgar_michel
    » RE: I Have Seen it Close Up Posted by: techcafe
    » ps Posted by: techcafe
    » RE: I Have Seen it Close Up Posted by: edgar_michel
    Bodies Are Not Bad
    Posted by: nen on May 1, 2009 3:53 AM   
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    It's time we started instilling THIS message in our youth. Your bodies are not disgusting and wrong. You are not a bad person for wanting to feel beautiful and special. You are not a bad person for acknowledging beauty and desirability in others.

    The aversion to the human body that is put forward by these conservative nutjobs is precisely what leads to perfectly treatable medical conditions to go ignored and untreated for far too long. Sometimes with tragic results. This aversion leads to depression, dissatisfaction with our lives, feelings of ugliness and unworthiness.

    Our species is evolving. Look here, just at North American Caucasians. We've grown a full head taller on average than we used to just a hundred years ago. And, surprise, our youth are maturing earlier in life. This is positive for our species. They're learning faster which increases their survivability. Yes, they still do stupid things. But so do adults, particularly under the influence of beverages we're now "old enough" to consume. And we have cars.

    I'm Canadian. And I can't do anything about American law. But you know what I want to do about this? I want to exchange scantily clad pictures of myself with my crazy avant garde friends in support of these young people who are discovering their bodies.

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    » RE: Bodies Are Not Bad Posted by: Shutterbug
    » RE: Bodies Are Not Bad Posted by: edgar_michel
    » RE: Bodies Are Not Bad Posted by: nen
    » RE: Bodies Are Not Bad Posted by: edgar_michel
    Why more and more people hate law enforcement
    Posted by: NYmediator on May 1, 2009 4:49 AM   
    Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
    They look at us as profit units to be arrested and prosecuted for anything they can trump up. And the callousness and meanness of so many cops and prosecutors are not going unnoticed. These people are pure evil to ruin young lives like this.

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    » RE: Excellent Point. Posted by: oregoncharles
    let me see if I got this right...
    Posted by: ellie on May 1, 2009 5:09 AM   
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    if my 13 year old daughter takes pictures of herself and her friends on vacation in bathing suits and sends the pic of their smiling sunburned faces to friends at home, this is child pornography???

    what about the famous pics taken by parents of their diaperless kids on the bearskin rug???

    semi nude clothing being sold at wal-mart... it takes 3 or 4 clothing items put on over each other to meet public decency codes...

    this has gone too far... if your kid has their cell snatched by teachers for violating school rules, it should be the parents called in to collect said errant phone and let the parents make the decision if the pics were just kid fooling around or actual child porn...

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    Do students have privacy rights re cell phones?
    Posted by: vioibi on May 1, 2009 5:10 AM   
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    Do teachers have the right to look at the content of a student's cell phone? I certainly don't support students being charged for nude or semi-nude pics of themselves or their friends. Teens today think it isn't a big deal. Pop culture is highly sexualized. I've seen many teens on websites engaging in sexual activity that definitely shouldn't be public. Many of them look underage and it is exploitation. Teachers should have class discussions with students about sexting before they go to authorities. School should establish guidelines so that students know what is acceptable and what isn't. Harsh treatment is not the answer.

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    America or Afghanistan?
    Posted by: mikehattan on May 1, 2009 5:15 AM   
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    Call them by their true names, Morality Police, like the fanatical Muslim Mullahs. A sad day for America.

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    uh....
    Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 1, 2009 5:38 AM   
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    "Taking nude pictures of yourself--nothing good can come of it."

    Especially when the police get involved.

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    » RE: uh.... Posted by: PortlandLiberal
    » RE: uh.... Posted by: shawn828
    Is it any wonder why conservatives are losing elections all over???
    Posted by: xvictor on May 1, 2009 5:57 AM   
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    nm

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    Big Brother and Stepford Husbands all rolled into one
    Posted by: wardropper on May 1, 2009 6:02 AM   
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    Are we really supposed to believe that nobody expected mobile phones with video capabilities to be used for exactly this purpose?
    Young teenagers are interested in sex because it is thrust upon them 24 hours a day on standard TV.
    I reckon it's only a matter of time before the main culprits in child sexual abuse will be the children themselves, with their mobile phones.
    It's like the H-bomb.
    You can't uninvent it.
    The only question remaining is, "At what age should it be legal to own a mobile?"
    The modern mania for corrupting the young by giving them every imaginable technical device as early as possible, "so they won't be left behind their peers", has a very obvious down-side.

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    Where Is Common Sense and True Justice?
    Posted by: iris89 on May 1, 2009 6:10 AM   
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    Hi Everyone

    What is now happening in America with respect to taking freedom and NOT exercising common sense is nothing short of insane. We laugh at the silly Morality Police in Saudi Arabia, but now we have some anti-freedom prosecutors that are just as fanatical as Muslim Mullahs and Imams. A sad day for America and freedom.

    It is like I said on the “Armed Revolt in the Obama Era? Right-Wing Gun Nuts Share Their Paranoid Worldview” thread as follows:

    I have long enjoyed target practice. I started shooting 22s at 4 years of age and now in retirement I still enjoy target shooting - SKSs. It is high time that the government STOP taking freedoms away from us, and start realizing that it is NOT what one has, but who has it which creates undesirable situations.

    [b]All legislation should carry a preamble of what its purpose is so it can not be used for other purposes for which it was never intended.[/b]

    Let’s put a stop to this nonsense of trying to make criminals out of NONE criminals.

    Iris89

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    It's the belief in imaginary friends again........
    Posted by: peterjkraus on May 1, 2009 6:15 AM   
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    ..... and we're supposed to call the nutcases in whose sick minds this kind of persecution is created "reverend", as in revered? Bill Maher had it right: it's downright religulous.

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    how to make a sheeple
    Posted by: zooeyhall on May 1, 2009 6:23 AM   
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    teach 'em conformity and guilt while they're young.

    So they won't be pesky protesters when they get older i.e. making a fuss about inequality, injustice, forming a union, not being a mindless consumer, etc. etc.

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    Like the H-bomb
    Posted by: wardropper on May 1, 2009 6:25 AM   
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    Further to my last comment, I wonder how many of these morality vigilantes know exactly what video content can be found on their own children's mobiles, or whether their own children would tolerate such an intrusion into what, for them, is as private and confidential a matter as a personal diary.
    It's prurient snooping and nothing else.
    When I was at school, copies of certain pages of Henry Miller and D.H. Lawrence were passed around under the desks, to the amusement and excitement of some, and to the horror and disgust of others.
    But nobody was punished beyond being given a serious talking-to by the headmaster, who, of course, knew the relevant pages by heart.
    And this was never thought of as the blackest of crimes in any case; just teenage curiosity.
    As I said, you can't uninvent it.

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    Pro-life my ass!
    Posted by: justAnEgg on May 1, 2009 6:47 AM   
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    "The truth is, a lot of good can come of taking nude pictures. Not so much the image as the act, and less the act of sex than the play of love, or imagination or freedom among friends."

    Brava, JoAnn Wypijewski!! That's exactly what rabid puritans fear: freedom of humanity in any form. Remember how clumsy and laughable Pierce Brosnan was in Robinson Crusoe when asked by "savages" to dance? Our Judaeo-Christian culture is against life.

    If it were for dried out hypocrits, we would never be allowed to live our human nature.

    Oh, lest I forget: there's probably money involved on top of the cultural thing. You know, like in Pennsylvania where two judiciary crooks closed the county jail and then sent, on fraudulent accusations, hundreds of kids to private prisons.

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    "Re-education"? Are they actually using that term?
    Posted by: kwfryatl on May 1, 2009 6:58 AM   
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    . . . scary memories of Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini . . .

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    Nothing changes...
    Posted by: andrushka on May 1, 2009 7:07 AM   
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    a good thirthy years ago, I lived in the States and unfortunately this backward attitude was in full bloom. I note from this article, that nothing has changed, in fact it is becoming far worse. Will Americans ever grow up and finally stop being hypocrites, and leave cops alone in those matters that they know nothing about?

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    » RE: Nothing changes... Posted by: morticia
    To the cordasses and other skumanick fans of the world
    Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on May 1, 2009 7:23 AM   
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    If you click on this, I will REPORT YOU TO THE AUTHORITIES!!

    OH BARE ASSED

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    And let me guess
    Posted by: LeeAnnG on May 1, 2009 7:49 AM   
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    Now, I don't know this to be true, but if I were forced to guess, I'd assume that many of these prosecuters and promoters of teen purity are the same folks who advocate getting the government out of our lives.

    Yet another example of making the government just small enough to fit in our bedrooms. Or cells phones.

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    Criminalization
    Posted by: Archie1954 on May 1, 2009 9:22 AM   
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    These prosecutors are totally out of control. They need some practice in self discipline. May I ask where the best interests of the public are served by the criminalization of many young people when everyone knows and understands that none of these youngsters intended to do anything illegal but were simply being kids with hormones?

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    » RE: Criminalization Posted by: monkeywrench
    » RE: Criminalization Posted by: Ian MacLeod
    » RE: Criminalization Posted by: Sekhmetnakt
    Law enforcement is not for everything.
    Posted by: monkeywrench on May 1, 2009 9:34 AM   
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    Can anyone imagine how many of us, back when we were teens, would have had to deal with the same attitude on the part of authorities when we were "backseat boogyin' "? We would have ALL been in jail and on some sex offender list just for playing touchy-feely.

    Sure, it's disgusting and stupid that teenaged girls and boys are destroying their reputations by sending nudie photos of themselves to each other. But put them on a sex offender's list along with baby rapists, etc., and ruin their lives FOREVER?! HELL...NO!! Back in my day (Gawd, I sound like a fogey ...), this kind of thing would have been handled by the parents.

    I don't know if it's the influence of all the cop shows on TV or our basic fear of everything today that makes us think that law enforcement is the answer to all, but this is one place they should keep their snoots out of, unless REAL crimes have been committed. Stupid acts by consenting teens, no matter how clueless and idiotic, are best handled within the family and CIVIL, not criminal, systems.

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    » "Disgusting?" Posted by: morticia
    » RE: "Disgusting?" Posted by: monkeywrench
    » RE: "Disgusting?" Posted by: morticia
    Victoria"s Secret
    Posted by: pj1fwb on May 1, 2009 9:57 AM   
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    Well, I guess they will be in the news pretty soon too! Oh My God! Have you seen those pics!! Come on, the police have gone too far again. Thank goodness some of these parents have enough balls to fight back!!Privacy?What's that?!!!Keep your mailbox locked!So much for keeping the gov. out of our lives!

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    The very definition of "unreasonable search and seizure"
    Posted by: westomoon on May 1, 2009 10:09 AM   
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    Confiscating phones? Maybe.

    Reviewing their content -- outrageous. Where's the ACLU?

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    Conservatives Looking for Government to Solve Their Problems
    Posted by: Libertine on May 1, 2009 10:19 AM   
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    Conservatives are always hooting and hollering about the evils of "big government" and constantly extol the virtues of handling matters as much as possible in the private sector.

    By criminalizing all types of adolescent sexual exploration and activity in the manner outlined in this article; behavior that has traditionally been handled solely by the parents of the teens involved, conservatives are looking to the government to play a role that should rightly remain that of a parent.

    Hypocrisy, much?

    The potential to stamp out normal teenage sexuality with such draconian laws is very low, even if a large percentage of our society considered this a worthy goal. (I don't).

    However, the potential for ruining the future adult lives of normal teenagers is very high, and extremely inadvisable.

    Let's leave a parent's role to parents and not expect the government to parent our children in regards to sexual expression among consenting parties.

    Let us not return to 17th century Puritan sexual ethics. It's a bad fit for the 21st century.

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    kinky subtext
    Posted by: jareilly on May 1, 2009 11:08 AM   
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    There is some kind of kinky subtext in cordas's comment but there is a valid take home point. A lot of school districts make these rules on the advice of legal counsel. The lawyers tell the districts that parents will sue if the district doesn't implement "zero tolerance" policies (vs weapons like butter knives, naughty text msgs, drugs including ibuprofen, overly political materials including bumper stickers, comics/illustrated novels, like Watchmen, or "freak" dancing at school dances, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. So kids with bathing suit pictures and plastic butter knives get expelled and put in various databases, watch lists, and "rehab" programs, etc, etc.

    How do you "rehab" from possession of a butter knife? This whole country has gone nuckin' futs. And the kids get that on some level. Cordas is right that teachers should be let alone to deal with this stuff if it comes up at school. But that would mean giving them decision-making power and allowing common sense a chance to prevail.

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    » RE: kinky subtext Posted by: robert.noll
    BigEasy
    Posted by: BigEasy on May 1, 2009 11:21 AM   
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    Good article. Justice is predicated upon accuracy. Judges place all their 'stuff' on everyone who comes before them. How can there be justice then? Get rid of this judge; no need to perpetuate this kind of ignorance.need. Move over Mr. Holiness and let the little people through.

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    deb
    Posted by: debmcd on May 1, 2009 11:51 AM   
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    Jesus H. Christ. Are these adults as stupid as they seem? The lot of them should try to remember back in the day when they were young themselves. I'll bet not one of the self righteous creeps was a virgin past the age of 13. It makes me sick to hear adults obsess over other people's sex lives. First off, just the thought of them furtively going through the kids' phones hoping to see something they have no business looking for makes my skin crawl. Prosecuting them on child pornography charges and ruining their entire lives is really disgusting. If they say they are snooping for the kids own good, then why turn them into the cops? Suspend them at most for God's sake. And the DA who decides to go ahead and screw up the rest of their lives and maybe put them in jail should be brought up on charges of wasting the tax payers money. Don't say you're just trying to protect the children and then stick them in with a bunch of real criminals. That's not protection that is persecution.

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    » You're spot on here..... Posted by: Fencerider
    more handouts to the prison industry...
    Posted by: Annapurna1 on May 1, 2009 12:48 PM   
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    OT1H..the laws regarding child pornography are quite unambiguous (which means that the bikini pics prolly dont qualify as "pornography")...OTOH..there is no doubt that the way these cases are being prosecuted is not meant to serve the interests of justice.. but rather those of a cancerous prison industry...

    sens jim webb(D-VA) and arlen specter(D-PA) have introduced S714 to curb the growth of the prison industrial complex...pls email your state senators and local rep ASAP to ask them to vote for S714...

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    teaching kids to be ashamed of their bodies--the first attempt at control
    Posted by: frantic1971 on May 1, 2009 1:11 PM   
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    In no other aspect of American culture is the self-loathing, the controlling, the regressiveness, and the reptilian-like brain of the so-called "conservatives" better illustrated then in articles like this one.

    These people use shame and guilt--indeed they are obsessed with it--to control and intimidate people.

    To these kids I would love to shout from the roof of the school building: "You have nothing to be ashamed of in your bodies!!!"

    Better to "show it off" in your teen and young adult years, then to wait for another 30 years when everything physical with you has gone to pot.

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    Complete Hypocracy!!
    Posted by: Johnism on May 1, 2009 2:09 PM   
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    So if a 15 year old boy has sex with a 15 year old girl no law is broken. If they take a picture of themselves afterward they are criminals.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO LOGIC IN THIS COUNTRY???

    Eff social conservatives. If my 15 year daughter sent a picture to her bf I would not be happy. But that IS NOT CHILD PORN.

    On the other hand having a 40,50 or 60 year old teachers or principal looking at those same images is!!!!

    Its because of stupid social conservatives that kids are running around having "ass sex for jesus"!!!

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    » RE: Complete Hypocracy!! Posted by: FortuneTeller
    » RE: Complete Hypocracy!! Posted by: Annapurna1
    » RE: Complete Hypocracy!! Posted by: Annapurna1
    » sorry about the double post... Posted by: Annapurna1
    » RE: Complete Hypocrisy!! Posted by: Mikie-likes-it
    Good ol' days
    Posted by: willymack on May 1, 2009 2:48 PM   
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    Back when sex was naughty, and cell phones didn't exist, girls teased their boyfriends by showing themselves off in person. This is one of the few examples of the "good old days" actually being GOOD. Of course, sex is STILL naughty in the nasty little minds of those who don't get naked pictures sent to THEM, or who are so full of religion-based "morality" they live in a bizarro world where everything's black and white, and they're never wrong but always right.

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    Once the teachers had the phones, why weren't they
    Posted by: bitsfick on May 1, 2009 3:52 PM   
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    arrested for possession of child porn?

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    Obssession
    Posted by: Benoliwal on May 1, 2009 5:39 PM   
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    In the years that I have been advocating against the increasing mindlessness of adults and watching teachers and schools ruin the lives of the very young to those in their teens, one thing has become abundantly clear, teachers don’t talk to students because they are now obligated to call the local law enforcement for practically any unruliness of a student, and you don’t see or hear of teachers as a group objecting at all to this criminalization. Teachers have become part of the problem of obsessing over sex, sexual matters, foolishness that happens amongst the very young and those in their teen years.

    Teachers used to be able to take a student to the principles office if the child was acting up and being unruly and have a teacher or principle to student talk, and sometimes the parents had to be called. The whole situation was between the school, the student, and the parent, but now teachers act as if they have to be the eyes of law enforcement, helping to criminalize the very young to those in their teen years.

    Prying into a student’s cell phone is an obsession about sex, sexual things, and perversion in the minds of people in positions of authority.

    Teachers willingly with glee call law enforcement. Brand those little buggers, teach them a lesson, after all they are good for nothing and must be severely punished.

    You are correct in your comments. All the teacher or teachers had to do was take the cell phones, put them in a drawer, and then give the cell phones back to the students or student at the end of class, or end of school for that day.

    I personally object to teachers because they believe that they are smarter than you sir, or even smarter than me, and they don’t like parents or anyone else telling them what to do, or how to handle this or that. They are a bunch of arrogant slightly intellectual snobs who do have a tendency of looking down upon those they consider less educated.

    Teach your children to be weary of teachers because they are working with law enforcement to criminalize your children.

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    If I didn't read it on a news site, I would't have believed it.
    Posted by: Starfall Deception on May 1, 2009 6:12 PM   
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    This is all kinds of ridiculous.

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    Missing the Point
    Posted by: Benoliwal on May 1, 2009 8:31 PM   
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    Everyone who speaks of law enforcement as if they are the entities responsible for charging the very young, teenagers, and even adults must realize one truism, it is the lawmakers, your senators and representatives who are the lawmakers who are making these laws to criminalize practically anyone who may have done something that resembles the new illegal sexual matters.

    Law enforcement is exactly that, enforcers of the laws that lawmakers make. Prosecutors prosecute the laws that lawmakers make, and judges pass sentences according to the laws that lawmakers make. The common thread is - lawmakers.

    We can stop puritanical and hateful laws by doing one thing change your senators and representatives at the voting booths. Stop falling in love with your senators and representatives, and stop looking at them as if these bad laws exist apart from them. These laws exist because of them.

    Whether Republican or Democrat these laws exist because of them. All you have to do is vote them out of office, and at the same time let the newer person running for office know we don’t want unbalanced and unreasonable law makers, and make it absolutely clear that they will be one term if they don’t back away from these laws that are designed by lawmakers to entrap and criminalize anybody young or old who does something against their new morality. Kick them out of office that is all that need be done.

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    » No. Prosecutors have.... Posted by: morticia
    Zero Tolerance = Zero Common Sense
    Posted by: DrBrian on May 1, 2009 8:34 PM   
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    Back in the old days if a kid was caught doing something technically illegal but not serious, such as underage drinking, making out in a car, playing hooky or whatever, the cops would take them home with a stern warning and leave it to the parents to handle the matter.

    Strange that the conservatives who are so concerned about the family and parents' rights on issues such as education, sex education, contraception and abortion are so ready to have the state in loco parentis when it comes to sexual or substance use related normal adolescent behavior (unless it's their own kids, of course).

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    NOBODY WANTS TO SEE KIDS WITHOUT ANY CLOTHES
    Posted by: joeocho88 on May 2, 2009 1:29 AM   
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    Except some kind of PERVERT!

    WHEN I WAS A KID YOU LEARNED TO KEEP YOUR BODY COVERED UP!

    WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE TEACHING MORALITY TO THESE KIDS?

    THEY NEED TO GET OFF THEIR LAZY FAT ASS AND START TEACHING THESE STUPID LITTLE TWITS TO KEEP THEIR DAMNED CLOTHES ON!

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    » Another fine post Joe.... Posted by: Fencerider
    WeMadeAmistake
    Posted by: aroleflin on May 2, 2009 8:33 AM   
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    How about it if I send of naked picture of me to your 14 year old daughter? Is that ok? I am sure if you live and work in Hollywood or drink Obama kool-aid, it will be acceptable conduct. I married a year ago to a Thai woman who came to the U.S. from Thailand. Ever since she arrived with her two daughters, I witnessed first hand how immoral and corrupt our society has changed our people and especially our children. Her daughters are respectful, helpful, kind and get straight 'A"s is school. My American daughter, on the other hand, has the MTV mindset and she has turned out to be a horrific challenge. I blame Hollywood, MTV, our schools, our political leaders, and permissive laws that forbid you from even touching your child to discipline them.

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    » RE: You sure did Posted by: Mikie-likes-it
    » RE: You sure did Posted by: morticia
    Prosecuters Should NOT Misuse Laws to Make Criminals of None Criminals
    Posted by: iris89 on May 2, 2009 11:03 AM   
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    Hi Everyone

    Nothing is gained by taking away rights from those who are NOT the problem, laws about pictures of underage girls and boys were passed to deal with sexual pedophiles – not teen sexing. Instead the government should seek to eliminate the root source of the problem of real sexual crimes and get the pedophiles off the streets and NOT to harass teenagers the law was meant to protect.

    All laws should be required to have a preamble specifically stating exactly what their purpose is so as to prevent their use to harass those who are NOT what it was intended to cover.

    For example on 9/11/2001 the problem was NOT airplanes nor box cutters, but evil and wicked members of Islam. The real problem of course was this false religion and Muslim religious leader Sheik Osama bin Ladin. As I have said before,

    Wars should be eliminated and at present one religion is responsible for over 90% of the violence on earth as pointed out by an Australian newspaper as follows:

    "Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other? " [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]"

    I am getting very tired of hearing Palestinians and other Ishmaelite crying crocodile tears and always trying to put the blame for what they do on others such as their conspiracy weavers tried to do about who did 9/11/2001 attack on the World Trade Center, etc. Screaming against what they call wrongful occupations when they are guilty of occupying Byzantine territory, Palestine which belongs to the Israelites [see Numbers the 34 th. Chapter in any Bible for proof of this, and their outright greed as they have over 98% of the Middle East, but still greedily want the less than 2% belonging to their sister tribe Israel] - its time we get real and put an end to this so the world can stop experiencing continuous Ishmaelite induced strife such as shooting rockets at Israel.

    Solution, dissolve this false religion and rid the earth of at least 90% of the violence. But of course the politicians will not do what is needed since as Jeremiah 10:23 says, "O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). To read detailed information, go to the following article:

    When Should A Religion Be Dissolved In The Interest Of World Peace? go to link

    Along with many other useful articles.

    Iris89

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    Are we going by the book here?
    Posted by: joebanana on May 2, 2009 1:56 PM   
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    Because if we are, those administrators are guilty of, possession of and viewing child porn.
    Once they confiscated those phones they took possession, period.

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    And what happened to
    Posted by: joebanana on May 2, 2009 2:01 PM   
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    a right against unreasonable searches of our person,papers and effects? or does confiscation remove that right?

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    » going to school removes that right. Posted by: undrgrndgirl
    Link to original???
    Posted by: Tombo on May 2, 2009 4:39 PM   
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    If this was originally published in the Nation it would be helpful to provide a link to the original

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    I am supprised nobody caught this.
    Posted by: AdamOwl on May 2, 2009 7:16 PM   
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    In February, Skumanick convened parents to say that their kids were involved in a child porn investigation but could avoid being nailed by submitting to a ten-hour re-education program, paying $100 and agreeing to an "informal adjustment," in effect a guilty plea before judgment in the juvie system, which would put them on probation for at least six months and subject them to random drug tests. If the kids get in trouble while on probation, they could end up with a juvenile record of the sex offense.

    Just like this one.

    PA Judges Got Cash to Lock Up Teens, Revealed a Broken Justice System

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    The bottom line
    Posted by: richard0a37 on May 2, 2009 9:02 PM   
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    The hypocrisy embedded in our society is astounding and unbelievable. Let’s step back a bit and consider the following:

    • Why was the Polaroid camera invented? Answer: so that the guy could take photographs of his naked girl friend without having to get them developed by the chemist
    • Why was the digital camera invented? Same answer
    • What is the point of your girl friend having a decent mobile phone if she can’t send you pictures of her naked body? Answer: it depends how good looking she is.
    • What is now available at little to no cost to the whole of the world’s population? Answer – easily available sex through online dating, messaging and porn websites
    • If only out of curiosity and the opportunity to vent one’s disgust, what topic does every single internet user of all ages and nationalities finally get around to perusing? Answer: there is only 1 topic that interests every person on the planet, apart from me of course.
    • Who finances the design, development and release of these websites to the world at large? Answer: in all likelihood the very same people who lobby governments to write the laws to give super prude prosecutors the power to charge teenagers with pornography and sexy text messages.
    • Why did the Internet explosion come about in the first place? Answer: because the financiers realised that online dating (which is no more than a tool that everyone else uses and contributes to) and pornographic websites, and crucially, online billing can generate the most awesome profits (the bottom line) that in all likelihood escape totally all income and corporation tax liability because it would be so devilishly difficult to trace and identify them.

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    applying the "logic"...
    Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 2, 2009 9:46 PM   
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    shouldn't the snooping "adults" be charged with possession of/distribution of child porn, too...

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    Retarded
    Posted by: Juven on May 3, 2009 12:05 PM   
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    How can someone be charged with child pornography for taking a photo of their own body? There is no victimization here... I guess you really have no control of your own body in this demented culture...

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    villager
    Posted by: villager1 on May 4, 2009 12:10 AM   
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    Why don't the prosecutors get on with prosecuting the real criminals and let it go now! Do they remember what it was like to be 15 or 16?

    If any of these goody two shoes think they are going to stop teens from exploring the "body beautiful" then they are totally wrong!

    We allow them to watch all sorts of movies with sexual connotations and then we tell them it's disgusting the way the characters behave - what a joke! The teachers who do these things have muddy minds anyway - otherwise they would handle the situation very differently! Nobody invented sex. It is natural and the body is nothing to be ashamed of unless it has been abused. These kids are not intent on abuse - admiration and adoration maybe - abuse no!

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    Hiding behind
    Posted by: osd on May 5, 2009 8:31 PM   
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    So maybe these so called adults are using this as an excuse to be the pediphiles they really are. Like it is way past time to go out and get the really bad people.

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    rivenz
    Posted by: rverdanz on May 12, 2009 6:40 AM   
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    Perhaps the reason austhorities aim to prosecute these kids is to drive home the point that laws apply to all people.If the law says you cant consent to sex at 16 or send a picture of a nude child,why should teenagers be exempt?You cant imprison one person,say an adult,for commiting an offence yet turn a blind eye to teenagers committing the exact same act.It really is this simple.You cant have a double standard.

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