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As Long as 'Latino' Is Synonymous With 'Immigrant,' We Will Remain a Class Apart

As the battle continues over who deserves citizenship and at what cost, we question whether Latinos can win true citizenship.
April 18, 2009  |  
 
 
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Here we go, once more, into the political battlefield that is "immigration reform."

As the respective armies assemble to hash out who deserves citizenship and at what cost, we question whether true citizenship can be won by Latinos, whether the citizenship of Latinos will transcend immigration status and reach the very heart of what it means to be an American.

In a recent installment of its "Remade in America" series on immigration, the New York Times sets its sights on Irving, Texas, a Dallas suburb, and its Mayor Herbert Gears, whose political survival has depended on the support of Latino voters and his yielding to the prevailing political winds regarding immigration by agreeing to run immigration-status checks on criminal suspects. To illustrate just how emotionally charged the immigration issue is in Irving, readers get this glimpse of recent events at a City Council meeting.

Gears asked a woman testifying about the public harm wrought by immigrants, crime, overcrowding, even disease: "Were you at a meeting, a club meeting, where applause was given to the comment that 'anyone who comes over the border should be shot?' "

"I don't remember if there was applause or not," she said, taken aback.

As a nation we have arrived at a time when to admit in public, before friends and neighbors, support for the use of lethal force on suspected border crossers raises nary an eyebrow.

This is all perfectly reasonable, goes the argument, because presumably we are speaking about illegal border crossers, folks who break the law.

But the article, reflecting current political discourse, lumps together immigrant and "Hispanic;" citizenship status, therefore, is rendered irrelevant.

But distinctions must be made. The focus on immigration obfuscates the very real way Latinos, U.S. citizens, are upsetting some folks by challenging the status quo.

Irving happens to be the site of a lawsuit filed in federal court, Benavidez v. Irving, challenging the at-large voting system that opponents say deprives Latinos of electoral representation, and has resulted in an all-white City Council and mayor governing Irving.

At-large systems allow voters to elect citywide representatives rather than pols representing a district. A similar voting model in Dallas was defeated in Dallas in courts.

The Irving situation illustrates a significant and enduring struggle for Latinos -- that of being a "class apart." Such was the argument by three Latino attorneys when they won a pivotal civil rights case before the U.S. Supreme Court.

It was 1954, and the case, Hernandez v. Texas, was brought before the high court to challenge the all-white juries that were pervasive in Texas and was rooted in the argument that although Latinos were "white," they were "a class apart." This civil rights milestone was recently examined in the PBS documentary, A Class Apart.

But now, some 50 years later, the argument that Latinos are a class apart still holds true, but not in the way the Texas attorneys intended.

Race alone is not the issue, but citizenship itself. Indeed, rigid racial binaries in this country obfuscate a glaring reality that endures for Latinos today that goes beyond race. In the eyes of the nation, in national discourse, Latinos of all races and backgrounds lack a true claim to national citizenship.

One only needs to read the news from New Jersey where immigration agents stormed the home of Dominicans to nab undocumented immigrants.

The "Dominicans" were actually U.S. citizens. One only needs to follow the string of anti-Latino attacks -- over 800 in one year -- to see that Latinos exist beyond the racial construct of this nation; and on that frontier our citizenship evaporates.

One only needs to follow the incidents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents, most of whom are of Central American and Mexican descent, swept up in immigration raids from Long Island, N.Y., to Arizona.

And most glaringly, this condition of being a class apart operates at the highest levels of government.

Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis is the daughter of Nicaraguan and Mexican immigrants. This fact was repeated in her biographical sketch: She is a new American; she is an immigrant's daughter. But the Obama cabinet consists of several children of immigrants or migrants to this country, who speak at length themselves about scars and challenges of this nation, of this nation's soul.

For example, Eric Holder is known as the first African American Attorney General in the country's history. Holder's parents have roots in Barbados. Patrick Gaspar, White House political director (Karl Rove's former post), is a Haitian American. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is the son of an Israeli father and was a civilian volunteer assisting the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Gulf War. The press or the public has not made much of these other first-generation Americans.

But "Latino," the word itself has become synonymous with "immigrant", and those it describes are perpetually seen as immigrants, no matter when their parents arrived on U.S. soil.

And, for that matter, in the case of Puerto Ricans, who are automatically U.S. citizens, and many Mexican Americans from the South and Southwest (who never migrated because their lands were once Mexican territories that were ceded to the U.S. as a result of the Mexican-American War), the situation is even more extraordinary.

The authors of this piece are a Dominican immigrant who is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and a native Texan who never immigrated (nor did her parents). Both are Latinas, but worlds apart in the way their U.S. citizenship materialized.

But in the current paradigm of who can claim citizenship, we are both intrinsically linked to the world of immigration and foreignness.

And to many Americans, Latinos' roots are in Latin America and Mexico, as though having some connection with Latin America trumps any possibility of becoming a "true" U.S. citizen.

This is not the case for any other group with ties with the rest of the world (i.e. most of the United States). This is the U.S.'s historic denial of its Latin American-ness and its failure to recognize that there is no inconsistency with being a Latin American (or Latino) and a U.S. citizen.

To many Americans, including the authors of this article, Latin America is an integral part of U.S. citizenship and history, just as Jewish and Irish and West Indian ancestry are claimed by many a public official.

And like them, we make claim to our citizenship. It is what girds us before the storm of the immigration debate.


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Start by differentiating between legal and illegal immigration.
Posted by: Honky The Antichrist on Apr 18, 2009 1:37 AM   
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I am tired of your “undocumented worker” lies. Now, the left is claiming that it is ok for illegals to identity theft people by stealing their social security number because it is “Paying into” the victim of the thefts retirement.

Illegal aliens better hope things get better fast. It will not be long before out of work American relies that they would clean hotel rooms or work in meat packing plants for American wages if that is what is needed to feed their families. Progressives are trying to allow fascism to take root in America by using illegal slave labor to destroy the livelihood of Americans. Progressives are anti workers. Progressives allow these union busting scabs to destroy wages and benefits of the average working American.

America, at this time, does not need any type of immigration. This is not the early 1900s. We are no longer a industry based economy. We do not have large tracts of land to give away to anyone that is willing to settle it.

Get out now because if you don’t, I guarantee you will be put out in my life time.

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These Illegal Aliens are just attending the universities that “Even Blacks” won’t attend.
Posted by: Honky The Antichrist on Apr 18, 2009 2:00 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soFkm7srtFw

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My voice is legion
Posted by: Honky The Antichrist on Apr 18, 2009 5:53 AM   
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“Progressives”, what ever that means, may not like my message. That does not mean millions of real Americans do not feel the same way I do. Deportation or extermination, those 2 chooses will become an option in my lifetime.

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Erm...what happened to just "citizen". Or "American".
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 18, 2009 6:46 AM   
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They don't recognize my personal identity, either!

I'm forced to take on the mantle of "other" every time I fill out a blank asking for my race/ethnic origin! The nerve!

Latino's and FrancoGermanicIrishFinAmericans unite and fight the oppressors!

In the Easter spirit, I say unto you, 'Solidarity, Loretta!' Go and preach it on the mountain sister!

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Implications....
Posted by: Leo Toledo on Apr 18, 2009 6:49 AM   
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I am reading, again and again, postings out of the context; as if instead of a nation of many we could not overcome our personal opinion of this issue. It is not about our personal opinion or, you... For the past two consecutive administrations we'd heard, "The American People" do not want this, "The American People” want that, but now, the "American People", elected another party to take care of their issues, and immigration was very clear stated as political platform and, is to be addressed. So for you guys who are claiming the will of the "American People", stating you only personal convictions, wake-up and live with this new reality, you had your chance and your party failed you and this country, now it is time as this system works by representation to accept from those on the majority, the outcome, like it or not. These inflammatory rhetoric arguments will only gets us distracted and wasting energy, sometimes what really is at stake are the "personal" agenda of few wanting to keep their status quo as stated in this article... But if we really want to be the greatest nation on earth we have to remember the “Pluribus Unum” that is there since the beginning and was and is the only reason worthy to keeping fight for.

Leo Toledo

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I'd love to see more articles like this.
Posted by: seabird10 on Apr 18, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I really appreciated the point of view expressed in this article. I am a double Mayflower descendant trying to come to terms with institutionalized racism that became embedded in US government as a result of my ancestors' ignorant rule-making. The Naturalization Act of 1790 (that limited US citizenship to free white immigrants)and many of its sequels anchored white supremacy into the fabric of US social structure. Even though immigration laws have changed, we still, as a nation, are stuck with a long, sad, unhealed history of genocide within our own borders. Unfortunately, many of us -- consciously or unconsciously, intentionally or unintentionally -- perpetuate these ancestral beliefs that leave us, at the very least, in violation of spiritual law and principle.

I think that the only way out of this -- if we want to liberate the collective soul of our nation -- is to invite and welcome all people who have suffered because of white supremacist behavior to tell us what they know and what they have experienced. Then the healing, for all of us, can begin. I thank Ms. Garcia and Ms. Reynoso for sharing what they know.

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Labels and labeling
Posted by: Aquinas on Apr 18, 2009 8:30 AM   
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If Latino has become synonymous with immigrant, perhaps it's time to consider shedding the label. When questioned simply respond American.
It is this constant reference to origins by the complainers which perpetuates this labeling.
Those who migrate to a new nation have a duty to embrace the culture and not be seen as Hyphenated Americans who set up their own little enclaves, like Little Italy, or Little Saigon, or Chinatown. Assimilation is what America is supposed to be all about. Any labeling like those which are self-imposed, i.e., Cuban-American, Franco-American, or Mexican-American should have no place within our vocabulary as they simply serve to divide us from each other, with the myth that one is better than the other or somehow preserves your culture. If you voluntarily migrate to another nation, drop the self-imposed labels and accept the one you chose as well as its culture. (however meager or different it may be)
This is a bit like "dual citizenship" and it's dead wrong. No one can have allegiance to two nations at the same time, so it is with self-labeling and the lack of assimilation; they're wrong and counterproductive to a cohesive society.
And please, no paeans to the richness of the blend of cultures being what makes America great. This insistence on the preservation of one's origin as vital to one's identity or self-esteem, is a pure BS., but it's a great vehicle for forming gangs and separate enclaves so one can isolate oneself from those "others", those same others one voluntarily chose to join.

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Gee Latino didn't mean immigrant where Igrew up
Posted by: mrxls on Apr 18, 2009 8:40 AM   
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which was New York.

But you did need to participate in the melting pot to be an American. Melting pot doesn't mean you lose your cultural heritage - literally it means you add your color to the whole.

So learn English, drive safely and do good things in life. Your grandchildren will be able to say the are Mexican and American and perceive no conflict.

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"NON-American" & "UN-American"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 18, 2009 10:06 AM   
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are such culturally-accepted terms of derision, contempt & dehumanization... a deprecating implication that 'American' subsumes *every positive characteristic of Humanity*
so that a 'lack' of American-ness is a cast aspersion against the character & ability of the individual or group so judged as 'Other than Us' is to render them contemptibly inferior.

I'm not surprised that 'Latino' would have the same connotation.

Thank you for such a fantastic article.

Most *excellent*.




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It's a nation's sovereign right to control immigration
Posted by: Fempatriot on Apr 18, 2009 10:22 AM   
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Any country or nation has the right to defend its borders against those who would invade it illegally. Most countries have immigration laws and vigorously defend them. For some time now, Washington, D. C. has turned a blind eye to the millions of Hispanics and Asians coming into this country illegally. Why? Cheap labor. That's because the majority of our government officials have prostituted themselves and sold out to big business, world financing, and those who would turn the USA into one big happy-farm with Canada and Mexico called "The North American Union" a copy of the wonderful "European Union."

The Trans-Texas Corridor--a super duper 10-lane highway to transport Mexican products was supposed to confiscate thousands of acres of Texas property in order for this "pie-way to the sky" to be built. The people of Texas got wise and started fighting it. To try to generate sympathy for those who come here knowing that they are breaking, not one but several US laws, is not going to work in these hard times. If I buy false ID, a false Social Security card, and obtain a job under false pretenses I go to jail for a long time. Illegals are merely shipped back home at US taxpayers' expense and they can pop back across the border at will. US schools are becoming badly over-crowded because of unrestrained "immigration." Since the majority of these workers don't make enough money to survive without help from welfare, states are spending billions on aid to illegals. The majority of prison inmates has changed from African-American to Hispanic. And last, but certainly not least, those who come into the country illegally and who are hired illegally in restaurants, hotels, and motels, are an extreme health hazard. Many bring diseases such as TB, which can NOT be cured, only controlled.. TB is an air-born illness, so one does not have to have physical contact with the sick person to get it. At one time, TB was almost unknown in the USA, now it is on the upsurge. When legal immigrants enter the USA, they are subject to a medical examination to make sure they are not bringing in TB, parasites, or other communicable diseases. Most legal immigrants are not allowed to work, either.

Another problem: The Wind Rock Reservation was nearly decimated when a Mexican drug cartel targeted Native Americans for meth and got half the Reservation inhabitants hooked. First meth was free; then they had half the Reservation selling for the cartel. Luckily the cartel was broken up and some sent to prison, but the Wind Rock Reservation will be a long time in recovering. And who hasn't heard of the worst of the gangs--the Hispanic Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13, created by Salvadoran immigrants) who have not only infiltrated the entire USA but are now spreading overseas? In 2005 they numbered at least 50,000 gang members and growing. We should make these people American citizens?

In return for our governments' lack of restraint on immigration, what does Mexico offer to Americans who might want to immigrate legally (or otherwise)? Nothing. Mexico doesn't want immigrants--it just wants to encourage part of its problematic population to go to the USA and be our problem.

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Silly ass words
Posted by: willymack on Apr 18, 2009 10:55 AM   
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I just LOVE it when some rednecked nitwit runs down Hispanics as somehow inferior to himself. Even those who legally immigrated here and took all the legal steps necessary for citizenship are subjects for his scorn.Then, there are those Hispanics, many of whom don't know a word of Spanish, and can trace their ancestry here three hundred years back. My son-in-law is one of those. If the aforementioned nitwits had to take the same tests necessary for immigrants to prove their qualifications for citizenship, I've a feeling they'd come out a far distant second to those immigrants. Now, for "Latino" and "Latin America". These are silly ass words not at all descriptive of the people in Spanish speaking nations. The true Latins are, of course descendants of the tribes in ancient Italy, who founded Rome.

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Wake Up! The Issue is About What is Good for US Citizens
Posted by: Paul1939 on Apr 18, 2009 11:15 AM   
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Garcia and Reyoso say that when it comes to Latinos, “Race alone is not the issue, but citizenship itself. Indeed, rigid racial binaries in this country obfuscate a glaring reality that endures for Latinos today that goes beyond race. In the eyes of the nation, in national discourse, Latinos of all races and backgrounds lack a true claim to national citizenship.”

I see this article as an escalation in a long series or AlterNet articles that now attempts to raise the ante from conflating illegal aliens with legal immigrants to now conflating them with US citizens of Latino decent. Try as this article might, the overwhelming percentage of illegal aliens are Latinos; 12-20+ million illegal aliens with as many as 70% to 80% of them being Latinos. How can American citizens see anything else but the undeniable connection between illegal aliens and Latinos?

My wife and I are life-long liberal Democrats, but that fact doesn't make us fools. We know a middle class, that our party purports to represent, requires a tight labor market and strong legal protections for the bargaining rights of workers. Without these two essential elements, workers will never be able to achieve and maintain equivalent traditional post WWII middle class incomes. No matter what politicians or anyone else says, if jobs can be and are outsourced (Free Trade/Global Economy) or in-sourced (massive immigration, legal and illegal), then there can be no tight labor market and the middle class will continue to wither away and workers’ standard of living and working conditions will continue to get worse and worse. The veracity of what we say can be clearly seen in the consequences suffered by the middle class from these cheap labor policies; policies we would note large majorities of the American people opposed when they were implemented. All middle class American families have gotten from the cheap labor policies of the past 30 years are massive increases in public and private debt, reduced incomes, high bankruptcy levels, failing schools, deteriorating infrastructure and a drastically reduced quality of life.

We want all politicians to know that when they or the media talk about “free trade” or “we are in a global economy,” all we hear them saying is they want cheap labor and a poor standard of living for us and our children. When anyone tells us we are “a nation of immigrants” so we have to accept 12-20+ million illegal aliens and tens of millions of legal immigrants,” what we hear them telling us is they want cheap labor, a poor standard of living for our children and us, and 439 million people in the country by 2050. When anyone, particularly Democratic politicians, tells us we are bigots, xenophobes, nativists, or haters of brown people if we oppose amnesty for illegal aliens and want our laws enforced, all we hear them telling us is they want cheap labor and a poor standard of living for our children and us, and 439 million people in the country by 2050. When we hear anyone say illegal aliens only do jobs American citizens won’t do, all we hear them saying is they want cheap labor and a poor standard of living for our children and us, and 439 million people in the country by 2050. We have had nearly 30 years of this free trade/global economy and massive immigration experiment, and by any measure it has been and absolute failure for American workers and US citizens.

Visit CommonDreams.org and read Thom Hartmann’s article, “Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind).”

Visit NumbersUSA.org to get honest numbers and the consequences of continuing policies pursued by both Republicans and Democrats.

Check Google Videos and view the video by Dr. Albert Bartlett called “Arithmetic, Population and Energy” for a scientific analysis of continued growth.

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Apr 18, 2009 2:39 PM   
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Legal immigration should end now. Our population is already beyond a long range sustainable figure, as is that of many other countries. Illegal immigration is rampant, and will continue. There is no practical means to stop it.

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Americans...
Posted by: frank69 on Apr 18, 2009 2:40 PM   
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Unless you are a Native American Indian, shut your mouth about immigrants. For your and my ancestors were indeed immigrants. So all of us having European roots need to go to the airports and steam ship offices, and get the hell back where we came from! Got it! So quityerbitchin!

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Hispanic is a cover
Posted by: HBoyer on Apr 18, 2009 3:53 PM   
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I am a Liberal but not a spinless democrat

If you go to Costa Rica and call some one a Hispanic. They will get mad. They will state they are Costa Rican not Mexican.

The word Hispanic is coined by groups that want to give citizenship to Illegal Alien Mexicans.

There are 20 million Illegal Aliens in the USA and most are from Mexico.

ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS PURE AND SIMPLE

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Flooding the Labor Market
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 18, 2009 5:05 PM   
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The reason the right wants more babies and more foreign workers is that the more people there are the lower wages will be.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

PS: As long as we're aiming for accuracy, most "Hispanics" are about as Spanish as I am a descendant of the Mayflower. They're Spanish speaking indigenos.

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"Latino" and "Hispanic" are not races
Posted by: billwald on Apr 18, 2009 7:18 PM   
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So stop identifying yourself as such, learn English, and most of us will not know or care where your people came from. I can't discriminate against you until you tell me to.

Second, just happenstance that the people in power in most Hispanic countries look like white people and most of the poor people look like Indian or black people?

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Letting your family go hungry
Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 19, 2009 2:35 AM   
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The people who want to crack down on illegal immigration need to answer this question:

If you could feed your family only by sneaking across the border to Mexico, would you do it...or would you let your family go hungry because Mexico's border laws mean so much to you?


Right Will Eat Itself

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DN'T WORRY, Y'R MISSINFORMED, VISCERAL, UNTHOUGTFULL DELIB'N MAY LET Y'R REAL P'LEM SEND U TO CANADA
Posted by: Artra on Apr 19, 2009 4:50 AM   
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1) THERE IS MIGRATION BECAUSE WALLMARTS LIKE, BANKS, MONSANTO, THE NASTY NAFTA SPLASHED OUR COMMERCE, OUR INDUSTRY, OUR BANKS, OUR RAILWAYS, OUR AGRICULTURE AND ON THE WAY OUR ELECTRICITY AND OIL COMPANIES THE SAME PROBLEM, IN A MUCH SMALLER PROPORTION -EVEN YOU DONT BELIEVE IT- YOU ARE HAVING THERE

2) YOUR CITY CORP -OH EXCUSE ME IT'S NOT YOURS, YOU JUST BAILED OUT BANKERS- FOR INSTANCE, STILL TODAY $UCKS ENORMOUS PROFITS TO YOUR PLACE, BECAUSE FOR ANY OPERATION HERE THEY DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE PROFIT THAN ON YOUR COUNTRY, NOT TO SAY GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, WHICH STAY HERE SINCE THE FIFTIES WITH THE BLACK MAIL OF NOT PUTTING OUR OWN -AS IN PHARMACY LABS, PETROCHEMICALS, FERTILIZERS (WHERE I WAS DROPED OUT FOR TRYING TO BRAKE THE RULES) LEST WE SHOULD NOT WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE RECENT GUATEMALAN'S AMERICAN BOOTS ON THEIR THROATS, (BY THE WAY ISN'T IT THE ROOT OF HATE OF YOUR GOV'NT(?) TOWARDS IRANIAN -or the diabolical Cuba- WHO DEFIED TO BRAKE THESE RULES OF ONLY EU-US SUPERIOR MENTALITY TO DO THAT?), ENLARGING THE NON WRITTEN RULES OF MCLANE-OCAMPO TREATY, XIX TH CENTURY THAT STARTED WITH NO MORE MEXICAN SHIPPING TO ORIENT OR EUROPE: THAT IS THE MEANING NOT OF UNDERDEVELOPMENT BUT OF SUBMISSION

3) NAFTA MEANS TO US THAT MOST OF YOUR EXPORT'$ COME OVER HERE TO MEXICO, YOU DON'T WANT NAFTA? DO US FAVOR: CLOSE IT!!! TAKE ALL YOUR THINGS OUT!!!!

4) HOW MANY ""aliens"" YOU WANT 20 MILLION INCLUDING KID'S, ALL MEXICANS WORKING THERE? THAT MAKES 1/8 OF YOUR LABOR SOURCE, TAKING YOUR JOBS AND MAKING YOUR SALARIES GO DOWN? WELL THEY ARE SUPER HUMANS!!! SEND THEM OUT, WE NEED THEM!!! might you want to experience at home what extermination means?

DO US A FAVOR, A LAST ONE: TAKE ALL YOUR AGENTS OUT OF MEXICO. SINCE BOLIVIA AND ECUADOR EXPELLED THEM OUT, WITH YOUR AMBASSADORS AND MONEY, NARCO TRAFFIC AND COUNTRY STABILITY PROBLEMS GOT ANOTHER FACE: ALL CONTROLLED (watch for instance the very recent complot to kill Evo Satan).

A RECOMMENDATION:FIGURE OUT, THE BUSSINESS OF DRUGS AND ARMS -2000 A DAY PASSING THROUGH OUR BORDER- MAY PUT YOU, ON THE CONTEXT OF YOUR NEXT STAGE UNSOLVED ECONOMICAL CRISIS, IN AN ENORMOUS HELL! us too!!!

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STUDY REAL HISTORY, LOGIC, SURFACE SEMANTICS (LIBERAL, PROGRS, LEFTIST... MEANINGS) ARITHMETIC AND USE THEM -YOUR SCHOOLS GETTING LOW PROFILE? WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU- and if you can, may you change for what you'r looking for?: friendship included in own interests

GOOD LUCK, WE, DOWN HERE IN MEXICO, CERTAINLY CROSS OUR FINGERS.

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Milwaukee needs more immigration, legal or not.
Posted by: AJR Journal on Apr 19, 2009 12:28 PM   
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I welcome ALL immigrants to Milwaukee.

Milwaukee's population has fallen by 20% over the past 49 years, and a big part of that decline has been the diminished immigration.

Every person who chooses Milwaukee as their home is to be welcomed with open arms. We could use more.

Fresh immigrants have re-developed unattractive neighborhoods, started businesses, and been tremendously positive for the City.

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As long as people insist on separating themselves,
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Apr 19, 2009 12:57 PM   
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they will be considered a group apart. Don't complain about "Latinos" being considered somehow different if people insist on not learning English, not acclimating to American ways and standards, crowding 10-15 people into small houses, and other activities that are not usual for Americans. Stop waving foreign flags while trying to tell the US what immigration policy it should follow.

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This is so true in Texas
Posted by: Gaubladt on Apr 19, 2009 5:42 PM   
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The whites are ready to rebel if they don't regain the reigns of power. The gov here is whipping them all up for a fracas.
On the veneer it's about taxes. But deep within, it's about being pushed out of power.
The game for him is to encourage them to act out his rebellion fantasies! He says' he doesn't want cessession, or however it's spelled. But, others do.
It's the same game played by the landed gentry here before the Civil War.
It's the rich people who are doing it now!
Our accountant shouts through the halls of the office "how do we keep the Mexicans out? We'll just line the border with M-16's" (not an exact quote; but equivalent)

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...
Posted by: Gaubladt on Apr 19, 2009 5:44 PM   
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... she might have said " and shoot to kill" . But, I'm not certain.

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I don't understand it..
Posted by: Gaubladt on Apr 19, 2009 5:50 PM   
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I waded through all their crap at 911 plus the next 8 years without declaring independance. And, after less than a hundred days, these vultures are airborne, and circling the white house with their tallons fully extended.

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Great Article
Posted by: dissentisgood on Apr 19, 2009 6:24 PM   
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Fantastic article on how the lines around who is foreign and who is not are drawn. As if on cue all the usual anti-immigrant bots disregard the content of the article to re-iterate their tired old talking points each one identical to the other. As usual they miss the point it is about identity and who is in the exclusive club and who is permanently left out. It's why some people will always be stopped when driving or riding on Amtrak because they look brown and also why the anti-immigrant movement is full of it when they claim that they are not racists.

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Politically incorrect
Posted by: Liberal_Gent on Apr 20, 2009 4:01 AM   
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I'm sure this opposing viewpoint will be found to be offensive by "someone" and removed thus raising the question of the objectivity of the publisher in what I consider to be ON-topic and relevant.

I'm a hard working white Caucasian born and raised in USA from generations back from when USA was founded by our forefathers. I say "hard working" sarcastically because I live in Miami and south Florida. I am currently unemployed and probably will remain so for some time because I don't "speeky espaniol" even though many of the "Latino residents" when forced to, such as if they want a favor or an exchange of money suddenly know "engleesh" very well. But because of the Hispanic community's laziness and refusal to assimilate and/or learn english has a ironic domino effect forcing businesses to hire only Latinos mostly, but will hire a Caucasian bi-lingual as a last resort, creates an hostile environmental and cultural racial situation that is slowly starting to boil up here in South Florida.

I personally couldn't care less where you immigrated from, but you're here now and I highly resent losing employment for my highly paid for learned skills but are passed over for work or promotions for those who accommodate the lazy and are less qualified people who "speeky" the language.

Prime example of the reverse racial discrimination going on in Miami, A new Office "*****" was being built near my residence. Out front during final stages of construction was placed an employment application desk occupied by an Hispanic girl. I went to apply 5 different times as I had the computer skills needed and was told that they were fresh out of applications and to come back. I find this explanation to be disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst as the store's specialty was making "copies".

So I went to the store's grand opening and what did I find for a demographic of hired employees? 99% Latinos and one token black. Do I have the resources to file a racial discrimination case in court? I have the legal basis but resources? Of course not, and They KNOW that fact. So frankly the Latinos complaints of discrimination falls on deaf ears with me.

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Hispanic Underclass
Posted by: Lilly on Apr 20, 2009 4:09 PM   
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I have posted this before but I think it's quite telling. I am a native-born American, not Hispanic, and do not even look Hispanic, but I speak Spanish because as a girl I lived in the Spanish-speaking country where my father's job took us. When overheard chatting in Spanish with building staff, I have several times been assumed to be a cleaning woman and have been asked if I had any free days. When speaking Spanish on a city bus with a friend (BTW not an illegal immigrant but a retired Argentine physician) I was told by another passenger to speak English or go back to my own country. Somehow I doubt that in any of these incidents the person addressing me was primarily concerned about border security.

Ditto, folks who post on townhall.com that the mere sound of the Spanish language (as on a recorded phone message) induces nausea or that commercial signage (as in the window of a grocery store) should be illegal in any language but English. And every bit of this was anticipated by the auntie who met my ship when I returned to the States in 1951 to go to school; when she heard me bidding goodbye in Spanish to a fellow-traveler, she warned me "Never let anyone hear you speak Spanish! They might think you are Mexican." No, friends, this isn't all about illegal immigrants. Some of it is plain old prejudice.

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Fascism
Posted by: DonJuan322 on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 PM   
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The current fascism we're experiencing highlights an extremely fragile "White" mental state. The stuff we're hearing these days about Mexican's invading the U.S. and "Illegal Immigration" is straight from the Michael Savage/Rush Limbaugh play-book. The sad thing is that the "White" right have blindly, and unconditionally, embraced these ideas. A cursory glance at the history of Mexico-U.S. relations during the past 40 years does not show the levels of blind and ignorant hate we are experiencing today. The article shows the advanced stages of this, where all Latino's are being lumped into the so called "Illegal" category. This means that brown skinned Latino's are now suspect of being "illegal" regardless of proof. What is this country coming to?

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You are a racist.
Posted by: rickiey on Apr 22, 2009 8:55 PM   
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If you think that 'Latino' Is Synonymous With 'Immigrant' then you are a racist.

You are stereotyping by race, and that is morally wrong.

Most Latinos in the US, are hardworking citizens of the US.

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Start by differentiating between legal and illegal immigration.
Posted by: Honky The Antichrist on Apr 18, 2009 1:37 AM   
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I am tired of your “undocumented worker” lies. Now, the left is claiming that it is ok for illegals to identity theft people by stealing their social security number because it is “Paying into” the victim of the thefts retirement.

Illegal aliens better hope things get better fast. It will not be long before out of work American relies that they would clean hotel rooms or work in meat packing plants for American wages if that is what is needed to feed their families. Progressives are trying to allow fascism to take root in America by using illegal slave labor to destroy the livelihood of Americans. Progressives are anti workers. Progressives allow these union busting scabs to destroy wages and benefits of the average working American.

America, at this time, does not need any type of immigration. This is not the early 1900s. We are no longer a industry based economy. We do not have large tracts of land to give away to anyone that is willing to settle it.

Get out now because if you don’t, I guarantee you will be put out in my life time.

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These Illegal Aliens are just attending the universities that “Even Blacks” won’t attend.
Posted by: Honky The Antichrist on Apr 18, 2009 2:00 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soFkm7srtFw

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My voice is legion
Posted by: Honky The Antichrist on Apr 18, 2009 5:53 AM   
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“Progressives”, what ever that means, may not like my message. That does not mean millions of real Americans do not feel the same way I do. Deportation or extermination, those 2 chooses will become an option in my lifetime.

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Erm...what happened to just "citizen". Or "American".
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 18, 2009 6:46 AM   
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They don't recognize my personal identity, either!

I'm forced to take on the mantle of "other" every time I fill out a blank asking for my race/ethnic origin! The nerve!

Latino's and FrancoGermanicIrishFinAmericans unite and fight the oppressors!

In the Easter spirit, I say unto you, 'Solidarity, Loretta!' Go and preach it on the mountain sister!

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Implications....
Posted by: Leo Toledo on Apr 18, 2009 6:49 AM   
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I am reading, again and again, postings out of the context; as if instead of a nation of many we could not overcome our personal opinion of this issue. It is not about our personal opinion or, you... For the past two consecutive administrations we'd heard, "The American People" do not want this, "The American People” want that, but now, the "American People", elected another party to take care of their issues, and immigration was very clear stated as political platform and, is to be addressed. So for you guys who are claiming the will of the "American People", stating you only personal convictions, wake-up and live with this new reality, you had your chance and your party failed you and this country, now it is time as this system works by representation to accept from those on the majority, the outcome, like it or not. These inflammatory rhetoric arguments will only gets us distracted and wasting energy, sometimes what really is at stake are the "personal" agenda of few wanting to keep their status quo as stated in this article... But if we really want to be the greatest nation on earth we have to remember the “Pluribus Unum” that is there since the beginning and was and is the only reason worthy to keeping fight for.

Leo Toledo

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I'd love to see more articles like this.
Posted by: seabird10 on Apr 18, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I really appreciated the point of view expressed in this article. I am a double Mayflower descendant trying to come to terms with institutionalized racism that became embedded in US government as a result of my ancestors' ignorant rule-making. The Naturalization Act of 1790 (that limited US citizenship to free white immigrants)and many of its sequels anchored white supremacy into the fabric of US social structure. Even though immigration laws have changed, we still, as a nation, are stuck with a long, sad, unhealed history of genocide within our own borders. Unfortunately, many of us -- consciously or unconsciously, intentionally or unintentionally -- perpetuate these ancestral beliefs that leave us, at the very least, in violation of spiritual law and principle.

I think that the only way out of this -- if we want to liberate the collective soul of our nation -- is to invite and welcome all people who have suffered because of white supremacist behavior to tell us what they know and what they have experienced. Then the healing, for all of us, can begin. I thank Ms. Garcia and Ms. Reynoso for sharing what they know.

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Labels and labeling
Posted by: Aquinas on Apr 18, 2009 8:30 AM   
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If Latino has become synonymous with immigrant, perhaps it's time to consider shedding the label. When questioned simply respond American.
It is this constant reference to origins by the complainers which perpetuates this labeling.
Those who migrate to a new nation have a duty to embrace the culture and not be seen as Hyphenated Americans who set up their own little enclaves, like Little Italy, or Little Saigon, or Chinatown. Assimilation is what America is supposed to be all about. Any labeling like those which are self-imposed, i.e., Cuban-American, Franco-American, or Mexican-American should have no place within our vocabulary as they simply serve to divide us from each other, with the myth that one is better than the other or somehow preserves your culture. If you voluntarily migrate to another nation, drop the self-imposed labels and accept the one you chose as well as its culture. (however meager or different it may be)
This is a bit like "dual citizenship" and it's dead wrong. No one can have allegiance to two nations at the same time, so it is with self-labeling and the lack of assimilation; they're wrong and counterproductive to a cohesive society.
And please, no paeans to the richness of the blend of cultures being what makes America great. This insistence on the preservation of one's origin as vital to one's identity or self-esteem, is a pure BS., but it's a great vehicle for forming gangs and separate enclaves so one can isolate oneself from those "others", those same others one voluntarily chose to join.

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Gee Latino didn't mean immigrant where Igrew up
Posted by: mrxls on Apr 18, 2009 8:40 AM   
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which was New York.

But you did need to participate in the melting pot to be an American. Melting pot doesn't mean you lose your cultural heritage - literally it means you add your color to the whole.

So learn English, drive safely and do good things in life. Your grandchildren will be able to say the are Mexican and American and perceive no conflict.

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"NON-American" & "UN-American"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 18, 2009 10:06 AM   
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are such culturally-accepted terms of derision, contempt & dehumanization... a deprecating implication that 'American' subsumes *every positive characteristic of Humanity*
so that a 'lack' of American-ness is a cast aspersion against the character & ability of the individual or group so judged as 'Other than Us' is to render them contemptibly inferior.

I'm not surprised that 'Latino' would have the same connotation.

Thank you for such a fantastic article.

Most *excellent*.




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It's a nation's sovereign right to control immigration
Posted by: Fempatriot on Apr 18, 2009 10:22 AM   
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Any country or nation has the right to defend its borders against those who would invade it illegally. Most countries have immigration laws and vigorously defend them. For some time now, Washington, D. C. has turned a blind eye to the millions of Hispanics and Asians coming into this country illegally. Why? Cheap labor. That's because the majority of our government officials have prostituted themselves and sold out to big business, world financing, and those who would turn the USA into one big happy-farm with Canada and Mexico called "The North American Union" a copy of the wonderful "European Union."

The Trans-Texas Corridor--a super duper 10-lane highway to transport Mexican products was supposed to confiscate thousands of acres of Texas property in order for this "pie-way to the sky" to be built. The people of Texas got wise and started fighting it. To try to generate sympathy for those who come here knowing that they are breaking, not one but several US laws, is not going to work in these hard times. If I buy false ID, a false Social Security card, and obtain a job under false pretenses I go to jail for a long time. Illegals are merely shipped back home at US taxpayers' expense and they can pop back across the border at will. US schools are becoming badly over-crowded because of unrestrained "immigration." Since the majority of these workers don't make enough money to survive without help from welfare, states are spending billions on aid to illegals. The majority of prison inmates has changed from African-American to Hispanic. And last, but certainly not least, those who come into the country illegally and who are hired illegally in restaurants, hotels, and motels, are an extreme health hazard. Many bring diseases such as TB, which can NOT be cured, only controlled.. TB is an air-born illness, so one does not have to have physical contact with the sick person to get it. At one time, TB was almost unknown in the USA, now it is on the upsurge. When legal immigrants enter the USA, they are subject to a medical examination to make sure they are not bringing in TB, parasites, or other communicable diseases. Most legal immigrants are not allowed to work, either.

Another problem: The Wind Rock Reservation was nearly decimated when a Mexican drug cartel targeted Native Americans for meth and got half the Reservation inhabitants hooked. First meth was free; then they had half the Reservation selling for the cartel. Luckily the cartel was broken up and some sent to prison, but the Wind Rock Reservation will be a long time in recovering. And who hasn't heard of the worst of the gangs--the Hispanic Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13, created by Salvadoran immigrants) who have not only infiltrated the entire USA but are now spreading overseas? In 2005 they numbered at least 50,000 gang members and growing. We should make these people American citizens?

In return for our governments' lack of restraint on immigration, what does Mexico offer to Americans who might want to immigrate legally (or otherwise)? Nothing. Mexico doesn't want immigrants--it just wants to encourage part of its problematic population to go to the USA and be our problem.

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Silly ass words
Posted by: willymack on Apr 18, 2009 10:55 AM   
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I just LOVE it when some rednecked nitwit runs down Hispanics as somehow inferior to himself. Even those who legally immigrated here and took all the legal steps necessary for citizenship are subjects for his scorn.Then, there are those Hispanics, many of whom don't know a word of Spanish, and can trace their ancestry here three hundred years back. My son-in-law is one of those. If the aforementioned nitwits had to take the same tests necessary for immigrants to prove their qualifications for citizenship, I've a feeling they'd come out a far distant second to those immigrants. Now, for "Latino" and "Latin America". These are silly ass words not at all descriptive of the people in Spanish speaking nations. The true Latins are, of course descendants of the tribes in ancient Italy, who founded Rome.

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Wake Up! The Issue is About What is Good for US Citizens
Posted by: Paul1939 on Apr 18, 2009 11:15 AM   
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Garcia and Reyoso say that when it comes to Latinos, “Race alone is not the issue, but citizenship itself. Indeed, rigid racial binaries in this country obfuscate a glaring reality that endures for Latinos today that goes beyond race. In the eyes of the nation, in national discourse, Latinos of all races and backgrounds lack a true claim to national citizenship.”

I see this article as an escalation in a long series or AlterNet articles that now attempts to raise the ante from conflating illegal aliens with legal immigrants to now conflating them with US citizens of Latino decent. Try as this article might, the overwhelming percentage of illegal aliens are Latinos; 12-20+ million illegal aliens with as many as 70% to 80% of them being Latinos. How can American citizens see anything else but the undeniable connection between illegal aliens and Latinos?

My wife and I are life-long liberal Democrats, but that fact doesn't make us fools. We know a middle class, that our party purports to represent, requires a tight labor market and strong legal protections for the bargaining rights of workers. Without these two essential elements, workers will never be able to achieve and maintain equivalent traditional post WWII middle class incomes. No matter what politicians or anyone else says, if jobs can be and are outsourced (Free Trade/Global Economy) or in-sourced (massive immigration, legal and illegal), then there can be no tight labor market and the middle class will continue to wither away and workers’ standard of living and working conditions will continue to get worse and worse. The veracity of what we say can be clearly seen in the consequences suffered by the middle class from these cheap labor policies; policies we would note large majorities of the American people opposed when they were implemented. All middle class American families have gotten from the cheap labor policies of the past 30 years are massive increases in public and private debt, reduced incomes, high bankruptcy levels, failing schools, deteriorating infrastructure and a drastically reduced quality of life.

We want all politicians to know that when they or the media talk about “free trade” or “we are in a global economy,” all we hear them saying is they want cheap labor and a poor standard of living for us and our children. When anyone tells us we are “a nation of immigrants” so we have to accept 12-20+ million illegal aliens and tens of millions of legal immigrants,” what we hear them telling us is they want cheap labor, a poor standard of living for our children and us, and 439 million people in the country by 2050. When anyone, particularly Democratic politicians, tells us we are bigots, xenophobes, nativists, or haters of brown people if we oppose amnesty for illegal aliens and want our laws enforced, all we hear them telling us is they want cheap labor and a poor standard of living for our children and us, and 439 million people in the country by 2050. When we hear anyone say illegal aliens only do jobs American citizens won’t do, all we hear them saying is they want cheap labor and a poor standard of living for our children and us, and 439 million people in the country by 2050. We have had nearly 30 years of this free trade/global economy and massive immigration experiment, and by any measure it has been and absolute failure for American workers and US citizens.

Visit CommonDreams.org and read Thom Hartmann’s article, “Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind).”

Visit NumbersUSA.org to get honest numbers and the consequences of continuing policies pursued by both Republicans and Democrats.

Check Google Videos and view the video by Dr. Albert Bartlett called “Arithmetic, Population and Energy” for a scientific analysis of continued growth.

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Apr 18, 2009 2:39 PM   
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Legal immigration should end now. Our population is already beyond a long range sustainable figure, as is that of many other countries. Illegal immigration is rampant, and will continue. There is no practical means to stop it.

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Americans...
Posted by: frank69 on Apr 18, 2009 2:40 PM   
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Unless you are a Native American Indian, shut your mouth about immigrants. For your and my ancestors were indeed immigrants. So all of us having European roots need to go to the airports and steam ship offices, and get the hell back where we came from! Got it! So quityerbitchin!

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Hispanic is a cover
Posted by: HBoyer on Apr 18, 2009 3:53 PM   
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I am a Liberal but not a spinless democrat

If you go to Costa Rica and call some one a Hispanic. They will get mad. They will state they are Costa Rican not Mexican.

The word Hispanic is coined by groups that want to give citizenship to Illegal Alien Mexicans.

There are 20 million Illegal Aliens in the USA and most are from Mexico.

ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS PURE AND SIMPLE

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Flooding the Labor Market
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 18, 2009 5:05 PM   
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The reason the right wants more babies and more foreign workers is that the more people there are the lower wages will be.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

PS: As long as we're aiming for accuracy, most "Hispanics" are about as Spanish as I am a descendant of the Mayflower. They're Spanish speaking indigenos.

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"Latino" and "Hispanic" are not races
Posted by: billwald on Apr 18, 2009 7:18 PM   
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So stop identifying yourself as such, learn English, and most of us will not know or care where your people came from. I can't discriminate against you until you tell me to.

Second, just happenstance that the people in power in most Hispanic countries look like white people and most of the poor people look like Indian or black people?

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Letting your family go hungry
Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 19, 2009 2:35 AM   
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The people who want to crack down on illegal immigration need to answer this question:

If you could feed your family only by sneaking across the border to Mexico, would you do it...or would you let your family go hungry because Mexico's border laws mean so much to you?


Right Will Eat Itself

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DN'T WORRY, Y'R MISSINFORMED, VISCERAL, UNTHOUGTFULL DELIB'N MAY LET Y'R REAL P'LEM SEND U TO CANADA
Posted by: Artra on Apr 19, 2009 4:50 AM   
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1) THERE IS MIGRATION BECAUSE WALLMARTS LIKE, BANKS, MONSANTO, THE NASTY NAFTA SPLASHED OUR COMMERCE, OUR INDUSTRY, OUR BANKS, OUR RAILWAYS, OUR AGRICULTURE AND ON THE WAY OUR ELECTRICITY AND OIL COMPANIES THE SAME PROBLEM, IN A MUCH SMALLER PROPORTION -EVEN YOU DONT BELIEVE IT- YOU ARE HAVING THERE

2) YOUR CITY CORP -OH EXCUSE ME IT'S NOT YOURS, YOU JUST BAILED OUT BANKERS- FOR INSTANCE, STILL TODAY $UCKS ENORMOUS PROFITS TO YOUR PLACE, BECAUSE FOR ANY OPERATION HERE THEY DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE PROFIT THAN ON YOUR COUNTRY, NOT TO SAY GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, WHICH STAY HERE SINCE THE FIFTIES WITH THE BLACK MAIL OF NOT PUTTING OUR OWN -AS IN PHARMACY LABS, PETROCHEMICALS, FERTILIZERS (WHERE I WAS DROPED OUT FOR TRYING TO BRAKE THE RULES) LEST WE SHOULD NOT WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE RECENT GUATEMALAN'S AMERICAN BOOTS ON THEIR THROATS, (BY THE WAY ISN'T IT THE ROOT OF HATE OF YOUR GOV'NT(?) TOWARDS IRANIAN -or the diabolical Cuba- WHO DEFIED TO BRAKE THESE RULES OF ONLY EU-US SUPERIOR MENTALITY TO DO THAT?), ENLARGING THE NON WRITTEN RULES OF MCLANE-OCAMPO TREATY, XIX TH CENTURY THAT STARTED WITH NO MORE MEXICAN SHIPPING TO ORIENT OR EUROPE: THAT IS THE MEANING NOT OF UNDERDEVELOPMENT BUT OF SUBMISSION

3) NAFTA MEANS TO US THAT MOST OF YOUR EXPORT'$ COME OVER HERE TO MEXICO, YOU DON'T WANT NAFTA? DO US FAVOR: CLOSE IT!!! TAKE ALL YOUR THINGS OUT!!!!

4) HOW MANY ""aliens"" YOU WANT 20 MILLION INCLUDING KID'S, ALL MEXICANS WORKING THERE? THAT MAKES 1/8 OF YOUR LABOR SOURCE, TAKING YOUR JOBS AND MAKING YOUR SALARIES GO DOWN? WELL THEY ARE SUPER HUMANS!!! SEND THEM OUT, WE NEED THEM!!! might you want to experience at home what extermination means?

DO US A FAVOR, A LAST ONE: TAKE ALL YOUR AGENTS OUT OF MEXICO. SINCE BOLIVIA AND ECUADOR EXPELLED THEM OUT, WITH YOUR AMBASSADORS AND MONEY, NARCO TRAFFIC AND COUNTRY STABILITY PROBLEMS GOT ANOTHER FACE: ALL CONTROLLED (watch for instance the very recent complot to kill Evo Satan).

A RECOMMENDATION:FIGURE OUT, THE BUSSINESS OF DRUGS AND ARMS -2000 A DAY PASSING THROUGH OUR BORDER- MAY PUT YOU, ON THE CONTEXT OF YOUR NEXT STAGE UNSOLVED ECONOMICAL CRISIS, IN AN ENORMOUS HELL! us too!!!

OBSERVATIONS:
YOU ARE COMPLAINING BY FOCUSING THE WRONG TARGET AND FOR A LITTLE MISCHIEVING OF YOUR TRUSTS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THE MURDERING MISCHIEVINGS OF YOUR HAWKS ALL OVER THE WORLD, UNCONSCIOUSLY YOU HIDE ON AN IMPUNITY FEELING, NO THEY WONT REVENGE -AS VIETNAM WAS NOT A THREAT TO YOU (just to your trusts national interests) NEITHER IRAK, PANAMA, GRANADA ... ALL OF LATIN AMERICA (BY THE WAY, NOT A PART OF USA BUT IN MONROEVIAN MENTALITY) THESE 2 LAST HUNDRED YEARS,..CONGO...NIGERIA...SOMALIA...SUDAN...AFGANISTAN TALE..ETC.. ETC...- IT IS JUST THAT ALL THE MACHINERY AND BLACKWATER LIKE THEY PUT TO WORK FOR ALL THAT, MAY SIMPLY REVERT AT YOUR OWN HOMELAND, SPARKING LIGHTS ARE MILLIONS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE A MIGRATION VISCERAL REACTION

STUDY REAL HISTORY, LOGIC, SURFACE SEMANTICS (LIBERAL, PROGRS, LEFTIST... MEANINGS) ARITHMETIC AND USE THEM -YOUR SCHOOLS GETTING LOW PROFILE? WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU- and if you can, may you change for what you'r looking for?: friendship included in own interests

GOOD LUCK, WE, DOWN HERE IN MEXICO, CERTAINLY CROSS OUR FINGERS.

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Milwaukee needs more immigration, legal or not.
Posted by: AJR Journal on Apr 19, 2009 12:28 PM   
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I welcome ALL immigrants to Milwaukee.

Milwaukee's population has fallen by 20% over the past 49 years, and a big part of that decline has been the diminished immigration.

Every person who chooses Milwaukee as their home is to be welcomed with open arms. We could use more.

Fresh immigrants have re-developed unattractive neighborhoods, started businesses, and been tremendously positive for the City.

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As long as people insist on separating themselves,
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Apr 19, 2009 12:57 PM   
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they will be considered a group apart. Don't complain about "Latinos" being considered somehow different if people insist on not learning English, not acclimating to American ways and standards, crowding 10-15 people into small houses, and other activities that are not usual for Americans. Stop waving foreign flags while trying to tell the US what immigration policy it should follow.

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This is so true in Texas
Posted by: Gaubladt on Apr 19, 2009 5:42 PM   
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The whites are ready to rebel if they don't regain the reigns of power. The gov here is whipping them all up for a fracas.
On the veneer it's about taxes. But deep within, it's about being pushed out of power.
The game for him is to encourage them to act out his rebellion fantasies! He says' he doesn't want cessession, or however it's spelled. But, others do.
It's the same game played by the landed gentry here before the Civil War.
It's the rich people who are doing it now!
Our accountant shouts through the halls of the office "how do we keep the Mexicans out? We'll just line the border with M-16's" (not an exact quote; but equivalent)

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...
Posted by: Gaubladt on Apr 19, 2009 5:44 PM   
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... she might have said " and shoot to kill" . But, I'm not certain.

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I don't understand it..
Posted by: Gaubladt on Apr 19, 2009 5:50 PM   
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I waded through all their crap at 911 plus the next 8 years without declaring independance. And, after less than a hundred days, these vultures are airborne, and circling the white house with their tallons fully extended.

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Great Article
Posted by: dissentisgood on Apr 19, 2009 6:24 PM   
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Fantastic article on how the lines around who is foreign and who is not are drawn. As if on cue all the usual anti-immigrant bots disregard the content of the article to re-iterate their tired old talking points each one identical to the other. As usual they miss the point it is about identity and who is in the exclusive club and who is permanently left out. It's why some people will always be stopped when driving or riding on Amtrak because they look brown and also why the anti-immigrant movement is full of it when they claim that they are not racists.

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Politically incorrect
Posted by: Liberal_Gent on Apr 20, 2009 4:01 AM   
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I'm sure this opposing viewpoint will be found to be offensive by "someone" and removed thus raising the question of the objectivity of the publisher in what I consider to be ON-topic and relevant.

I'm a hard working white Caucasian born and raised in USA from generations back from when USA was founded by our forefathers. I say "hard working" sarcastically because I live in Miami and south Florida. I am currently unemployed and probably will remain so for some time because I don't "speeky espaniol" even though many of the "Latino residents" when forced to, such as if they want a favor or an exchange of money suddenly know "engleesh" very well. But because of the Hispanic community's laziness and refusal to assimilate and/or learn english has a ironic domino effect forcing businesses to hire only Latinos mostly, but will hire a Caucasian bi-lingual as a last resort, creates an hostile environmental and cultural racial situation that is slowly starting to boil up here in South Florida.

I personally couldn't care less where you immigrated from, but you're here now and I highly resent losing employment for my highly paid for learned skills but are passed over for work or promotions for those who accommodate the lazy and are less qualified people who "speeky" the language.

Prime example of the reverse racial discrimination going on in Miami, A new Office "*****" was being built near my residence. Out front during final stages of construction was placed an employment application desk occupied by an Hispanic girl. I went to apply 5 different times as I had the computer skills needed and was told that they were fresh out of applications and to come back. I find this explanation to be disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst as the store's specialty was making "copies".

So I went to the store's grand opening and what did I find for a demographic of hired employees? 99% Latinos and one token black. Do I have the resources to file a racial discrimination case in court? I have the legal basis but resources? Of course not, and They KNOW that fact. So frankly the Latinos complaints of discrimination falls on deaf ears with me.

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Hispanic Underclass
Posted by: Lilly on Apr 20, 2009 4:09 PM   
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I have posted this before but I think it's quite telling. I am a native-born American, not Hispanic, and do not even look Hispanic, but I speak Spanish because as a girl I lived in the Spanish-speaking country where my father's job took us. When overheard chatting in Spanish with building staff, I have several times been assumed to be a cleaning woman and have been asked if I had any free days. When speaking Spanish on a city bus with a friend (BTW not an illegal immigrant but a retired Argentine physician) I was told by another passenger to speak English or go back to my own country. Somehow I doubt that in any of these incidents the person addressing me was primarily concerned about border security.

Ditto, folks who post on townhall.com that the mere sound of the Spanish language (as on a recorded phone message) induces nausea or that commercial signage (as in the window of a grocery store) should be illegal in any language but English. And every bit of this was anticipated by the auntie who met my ship when I returned to the States in 1951 to go to school; when she heard me bidding goodbye in Spanish to a fellow-traveler, she warned me "Never let anyone hear you speak Spanish! They might think you are Mexican." No, friends, this isn't all about illegal immigrants. Some of it is plain old prejudice.

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Fascism
Posted by: DonJuan322 on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 PM   
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The current fascism we're experiencing highlights an extremely fragile "White" mental state. The stuff we're hearing these days about Mexican's invading the U.S. and "Illegal Immigration" is straight from the Michael Savage/Rush Limbaugh play-book. The sad thing is that the "White" right have blindly, and unconditionally, embraced these ideas. A cursory glance at the history of Mexico-U.S. relations during the past 40 years does not show the levels of blind and ignorant hate we are experiencing today. The article shows the advanced stages of this, where all Latino's are being lumped into the so called "Illegal" category. This means that brown skinned Latino's are now suspect of being "illegal" regardless of proof. What is this country coming to?

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You are a racist.
Posted by: rickiey on Apr 22, 2009 8:55 PM   
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If you think that 'Latino' Is Synonymous With 'Immigrant' then you are a racist.

You are stereotyping by race, and that is morally wrong.

Most Latinos in the US, are hardworking citizens of the US.

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