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Is the Twice-Divorced Newt Gingrich Converting to Catholicism for a 2012 Run?

A leading Catholic conservative says Newt's sins -- including an affair with a congressional aid -- have magically been absolved.
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When Catholic University announced in January 2005 that Newt Gingrich would deliver a speech on campus, a group of students rose up in protest, accusing the twice-divorced, admitted philanderer of violating the Catholic values that their school was founded upon. Four years later, just last week, on March 24, Gingrich blasted another hallowed institution of Catholic higher learning: “It is sad to see Notre Dame invite President Obama to give the commencement address since his policies are so anti-Catholic values,” Gingrich wrote on Twitter of the president’s scheduled May address. What happened?

During the George W. Bush era, Gingrich rose quietly from the ruins of his failed crusade to impeach President Bill Clinton, trying to transform himself from a Republican pariah into a voice of conscience for the badly demoralized conservative movement. The religious-right elements that helped orchestrate Gingrich’s downfall as Speaker of the House became the catalyst for his resurrection and may now propel him into contention for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012. But winning them over has not been easy. Before earning a seat at their table, Gingrich has had to confess his darkest sins and beg for redemption, first on the radio show of his former nemesis, James Dobson, and then before a priest at St. Joseph’s Rectory, a Catholic church on Capitol Hill.

Indeed, on Sunday, March 29, Gingrich converted to Catholicism, the faith of his third wife, Calista Bisek. Though the ceremony was announced without fanfare, leading Catholic conservatives like Deal Hudson are brimming with excitement. Hudson was the most important Catholic political adviser to President Bush and Karl Rove, founder of the seminal Catholic journal, Crisis magazine, and self-described “theocon.” He contends that Gingrich’s conversion represents more than a concession to his wife; it signals a dramatic break from the past, both personally and politically.

“From a Catholic point of view,” Hudson told me, “Newt’s sins no longer exist—they’ve been absolved. He’s made a fresh start in life. So Newt will continue to sin and confess but there aren’t going to be a lot of Catholics who will hold that against him. They understand why being a Catholic makes a difference.”

Hudson said that while many of his friends are “extremely close” to Gingrich, he and the former Speaker of the House are just friendly acquaintances. But Hudson explains that he relates to Gingrich’s experience on a deeply personal level. Like Gingrich, he is a convert and a thrice-married sinner engaged continually in confession and absolution.

Raised as a Southern Baptist, Hudson converted to Catholicism at age 34 after becoming enraptured by the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas. Upon receiving communion, Hudson received an annulment from his first wife, then divorced his second wife four years later. “It’s not unusual to do that in this day and age,” Hudson reflected, “so that sort of angle that Chris Buckley is taking to make fun of Newt is unfair.”

After entering the church, Hudson worked his way up the rungs of academia, eventually earning tenure as a philosophy professor at Fordham University. He was a charismatic figure in the classroom, casting a spell over his students with engaging lectures on natural law. But Hudson was not without his weaknesses. In 1994, after a night of drinking games at a West Village pub, during which he allegedly made out with two female students and took “body shots” with them, Hudson brought an extremely intoxicated 18-year-old student named Cara Poppas back to his office and compelled her to perform oral sex on him. When the student told school authorities about the incident, Hudson promptly resigned and moved to Washington to edit Crisis. Two years later, Hudson settled a sexual-harassment lawsuit out of court with Poppas for $30,000. The incident remained unknown to everyone except Poppas and Hudson’s closest confidants.

At Crisis, Hudson railed against Clinton for his dalliances with Monica Lewinsky. "Over and over again, we hear on the talk shows that we shouldn't hold the president to a 'higher standard,'” Hudson wrote in 1996. “I would argue quite the opposite… Those who are not willing to bear the burden of these higher standards should not seek office… After we have stripped away all idealism from offices that bind our culture together—president, father, husband—what will be left for us to aspire to? Who will want to sacrifice personal desires for public responsibilities?”

That same year, a group of Hudson’s closest conservative Catholic allies hosted a symposium, called The End of Democracy?: The Judicial Usurpation of Politics, in which they questioned the very legitimacy of American democracy. One speaker, Princeton professor Robert George, advocated mass civil disobedience to resist federal court decisions protecting reproductive and gay rights. The most influential member of the religious right’s evangelical wing, James Dobson, endorsed these Catholics’ calls for rebellion.

The movement’s apocalyptic mood resonated inside the halls of Congress, where Gingrich advanced impeaching Clinton as his party’s unifying theme ahead of midterm elections in 1998. But away from the limelight of the press, Gingrich was involved in an extramarital affair with Bisek, a young blond Capitol Hill staffer 23 years his junior who he had arranged to be put on the House Republicans' payroll. The wild mood swings that had always characterized Gingrich’s behavior intensified as the president strengthened his position against the impeachment tribunal. Staffers discovered the Speaker crying at his desk. In the end, Gingrich’s strategy backfired in the 1998 midterm elections, resulting in the worst defeat in 64 years for a party that did not control the White House. House Republicans intimately aware of his affair with Bisek were involved in forcing Gingrich to resign from Congress so they could push on to their apocalyptic impeachment of Clinton without worrying about Gingrich’s exposure.

Gingrich promptly turned to matters of the heart, dumping his second wife, Marianne Ginther. He announced his intention to divorce her just as he had done with his first wife, Jackie Battley—while she was lying in a hospital bed, immobilized after a major medical procedure. (Battley was recovering from cancer surgery; Ginther’s appendix had ruptured.) He never bothered to tell his wife in person that he was leaving her for another woman. He called her on the phone, delivered the news, and hung up.

While Gingrich bided his time in the political wilderness, Hudson brought the Catholic right to the peak of its influence during George W. Bush’s 2004 campaign for re-election against the Catholic Democratic nominee, Senator John Kerry. A confidant of Karl Rove, Hudson became Bush’s Catholic point man, enlisting a network of antiabortion bishops to threaten their congregants with excommunication if they voted for Kerry. Meanwhile, Hudson intimidated Catholic Democrats from inside the church, persuading the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to fire a low-level employee, Ono Ekeh, for hosting a “Catholics for Kerry” event. ("If you're going to play in the sandbox," Hudson told a reporter, “then you have to take the consequences of your public utterances and your public actions.”) Hudson’s crusade worked. In 2000, Bush won 46 percent of the Catholic vote; in 2004 he carried 52 percent—a decisive swing.

But at the height of the campaign, Hudson’s own past came back to haunt him when journalist Joe Feuerherd published a lengthy story in the National Catholic Reporter about Poppas’ sexual-harassment lawsuit. Hudson responded in a column on the Web site of the National Review, casting himself as a victim of “personal attacks” intended to undermine his conservative activism, but added, “No one regrets my past mistakes more than I do.” He quit the Bush campaign soon after, and then resigned from Crisis, which is now defunct. “Every single Catholic who has ever lived has violated church doctrine,” Hudson told me. “That’s called sin. That’s my situation too—it’s a matter of public record.”

With Bush back in the White House, Gingrich ignited his comeback campaign. He focused his efforts most intensely on reaching out to the religious right, beginning with a March 2007 phone call to the country’s third most popular radio show, Focus on the Family, hosted by Dobson. A producer promptly transferred Gingrich to a studio line, and the public confession he and Dobson had planned a month earlier began.

“I believe you to be a confessing Christian and you and I have prayed together,” Dobson reminded Gingrich, “but when I heard you talk about this dark side of your life when we were in Washington, you spoke about it with a great deal of pain and anguish, but you didn't speak about repentance. Do you understand the meaning of repentance?”

With Dobson’s questioning of Gingrich’s faith, the sinner turned reflective. “They say when you're younger you want justice and when you're older you want mercy,” Gingrich said. “I also believe there are things in my own life that I have turned to God and got on my knees and prayed to God and asked for forgiveness. I don't know how you could live with yourself without breaking down and trying to find some way to deal with your own weaknesses and to go to God about them.”

Dobson seemed pleased with Gingrich’s confession and especially the image of the sorry politician on his knees before the Lord. Meanwhile, Hudson listened intently to the confessional interview. He was richly gratified. “Whether he is going to run for president or not, he has done the right thing for himself and the country,” Hudson wrote on his personal blog. “Gingrich will endure the predictable brickbats, but I admire his willingness to put this on the table, saying in effect to the country, ‘Here is who I am, and what I have done, if you still want me to run for president, I am ready.’”

After some early feints, Gingrich stayed out of the presidential race in 2008, observing it as a commentator for Fox News. (“[T]here is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us,” Gingrich warned during an on-air discussion of California’s anti-gay-marriage Proposition 8.) He would not be ready to consider running until his absolution was granted by Father Milton Jordan, the senior priest at St. Joseph’s Church in Washington.

With this act and Gingrich's subsequent conversion, Hudson said Gingrich has ratified his devotion to the “theocon” agenda. “Newt’s conversion represents about as radical a rejection of secularism and relativism as you can make,” Hudson told me.

With more than $5 million from right-wing casino baron Sheldon Adelson, Gingrich recently founded a conservative nonprofit called Renewing American Leadership. Among the group’s planned activities, which appear coordinated with a who’s who of the Christian right, are a series of “tea party”-style protests against Obama’s economic plan, and the production of a film about Pope John Paul II’s role in bringing down the Soviet Union.

According to Hudson, Gingrich’s outrage over Obama’s speech at Notre Dame was his first act as a Catholic politician. “When I learned he was about to convert, I understood his concern,” Hudson said. “He was worried about the Church he was about to enter.”

With his sins officially expunged, Gingrich appears poised to play a decisive role in the 2012 Republican presidential sweepstakes. Whether or not Gingrich declares his candidacy, Hudson, who advised John McCain in 2008 and plans to participate in the next campaign, says he believes Gingrich has consolidated his influence in the party. “[Gingrich] has gone through a change in his life through his third marriage and he has decided to settle down,” Hudson said. “You’re never too old to settle down.”

Max Blumenthal is a senior writer for The Daily Beast and writing fellow at The Nation Institute, whose book, Republican Gomorrah (Basic/Nation Books), is forthcoming in Spring 2009. Contact him at maxblumenthal3000@yahoo.com.
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No Absolution due to Newt's conversion......
Posted by: 24&somuchmore on Mar 31, 2009 12:43 AM   
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While most of the Catholics I know (and am related to) have a strong faith, I find it hard to believe that Newt is not simply trying to satisfy some earthly purpose / motivation by this conversion.

Obviously, I am not the final Judge. Actions speak louder than words, and his true motivations will be known in the End. Hopefully he is not truly playing with Fire.

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Benedict XVII?
Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 31, 2009 12:59 AM   
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He's probably hoping to become Pope Benedict XVII. After all, he's already got one of the major qualifications: a sense of infallibility.

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Jeb in 2012
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 31, 2009 2:31 AM   
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I think they're gonna flip the election to Jeb Bush in for 2012. You heard it here first.

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Birds of a feather Flock together
Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 31, 2009 3:01 AM   
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Religious circles getting pretty small ah Newt?
Of course they claim there isn't a Catholic who has lived that has broken Catholic doctrine- It's set up that way! 'Catholic Guilt' is how that oganization has thrived through the millenia- It's how they gained their power. If the rules are so strict everyone is bound to break them, and they are the sole source of redemption- they got the market cornered. At tleast now they don't have the ability to torture and execute to condemn or'Cleanse' you.
Peter & paul Highjacked the religion and built the same oppressive, heretical organization which Jesus had railed against.
No a surprise Newt would come to the doctrine now that a Nazi is Pope.
The one valueable lesson I learned from the Catholic church- trust no one who uses scripture to explain, and absolve themselves, of their heinous deeds.

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The incredible stupidity of the christian right never ceases to
Posted by: bitsfick on Mar 31, 2009 3:47 AM   
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amaze and terrify me. BTW is his wife is going to be pissed when she sees what he did to her bra, making a hat out of one of the cups.

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None of this is going to matter the more Obama keeps screwing up and panders to the rightwing
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 31, 2009 3:54 AM   
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whether we're talking more bailouts for Wall $treet or expanding Bush's wars. I'm no fan of Newt Gingrich but the way Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc ... of the Democratic Party are mishandling everything and refusing to be any different from the GOP for the most part, I'm getting even more fed up than I did even in 2007 and 2008. We could see the worst case scenario where a lot of those who voted for Obama are gonna be very angry, betrayed, and disaffected to the point of staying home on election day, voting 3rd party en masse ala 1992, or even voting Republican in extreme anger. The corporate media will cover up Newt's divorce scandals just like they covered up Raygun's in the 1980s.

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He, Tony Blair and Lew Lerman
Posted by: weathered on Mar 31, 2009 4:12 AM   
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can coddle in the same chamber.


Faith and fear can't occupy the same space, so they're motivated by the former and that's a good thing.

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As my father said...
Posted by: jackie78 on Mar 31, 2009 4:08 AM   
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I am a fifth generation catholic. I attended Catholic elementary, high school and college. There is nothing worse than a convert. But Perhaps there is? A cynical convert who would use catholicism's easy going ways of forgiveness to try and attain high political office. Bleh, Newt, go wither and die old man....

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This approach to conversion shows they don't understand what it means to be a Catholic
Posted by: ambrclaire on Mar 31, 2009 4:41 AM   
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These guys believing that as long as they confess they can keep sinning shows they don't have a clue. I don't see them saying they will try NOT to sin anymore, they just want to sin and be absolved and sin and be absolved...if they think being a Catholic just makes it easier to sin because you confess later they are sadly mistaken.

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The media did everything they could to "glorify" big fat Newty.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 31, 2009 4:42 AM   
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And I wouldn't be surprised to see them try it again. As maxpayne earlier pointed out, they make Newty a personality celebrity just as they did Raygun back in the 1980s.

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Absolved Abschmolved.
Posted by: mikehattan on Mar 31, 2009 4:56 AM   
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A desperate ploy and by the time he does make his move,(if he is)considerably more intelligent people will have realized that religion is irrelevant in the 21st century.So here we go again with the sneaky, outdated Catholic Church offering sneaky ways out of what only they believe. The staggering thing is that a politician would believe in spells,conjurs and outdated mumbjo jumbo it is really mind blowing.

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jstuv
Posted by: jstuv on Mar 31, 2009 5:04 AM   
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Ah, the superstitious faithful!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8

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This would be a bad thing if....
Posted by: Jasonix on Mar 31, 2009 5:13 AM   
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...Americans were willing to discuss Catholic dogma with the same bluntness as we're willing to discuss Mormonism.

So Newt now believes he'll burn in Hell if he ejaculates outside of his wife's vagina?

Newt now believes that 75% of Americans belong to false religions that "are not churches in the proper sense," to use the Vatican's own words, and "have grave defects relative to salvation?"

Newt now believes that most people can only go to Heaven if God decides that they're too stupid or lunk-headed to get that Catholicism is the one true faith?

Newt now believes that a cholesterol-free snack treat is an incarnation of his God worthy of his personal worship?

Newt now believes that the Virgin Mary appears and forecasts the end of the world in visions to epileptics, young children, and in physical signs such as her image in grilled cheese sandwiches?

Newt now tunes into EWTN and gets his groove on as people devote hour-long shows to bashing other denominations - the ones that most Americans belong to - and opine about the day when Catholicism will vanquish every other expression of Christianity on earth?

All of these are the "conservative" Catholic beliefs. We're loathe to discuss them because "cultural Catholics" get offended that we're dissing their ethnic tradition.

We'll see how well it works for Newt. My guess - not so much.

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Hopeful
Posted by: Sparks56 on Mar 31, 2009 5:30 AM   
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The hopeful aspect of Newt's conversion, certainly politically motivated, is that it indicates the growing political irrelevancy of the Protestant Evangelicals, and that is a good thing. The Catholic Church in America is shrinking by the day and I doubt Newt's entrance is going to turn that around. That is a good thing, too
Gingrich is a hypocrite and he needs a hypocrite god. Go (down) in peace, Newt.

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The honorable LABOr president TONY Blair...
Posted by: richholland on Mar 31, 2009 5:31 AM   
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watching englands Tony Blair on TV gave many people the idea this bloke is a Liar, he isnt a worker but a lawyer pretending...

(USA big friend in the Iraq War..
And guess he converted to Catholic...
O Lord is there also a place for Hillary and Bill and Barack?????
after all the Holy Pope doesnt like condoms, but who does???

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Marriage equality:
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Mar 31, 2009 5:47 AM   
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End it as a legal institution.

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Like Monty Python
Posted by: sawdust on Mar 31, 2009 5:48 AM   
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Absurd, ridiulous and laughable. And I don't mean what he did, but that he really thinks it will change anything or that we will believe him. I hope the Church is embarrassed.

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More Republican Intolerance
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Mar 31, 2009 5:54 AM   
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Newt will become just another typical Republican, right wing, religious right crusader to use his 'new-found' catholic religion not just to run for office again as an adulterer, but to use his GOP club to bash women, abortion rights, gay rights, and to continue to carry the banner of scaring Americans into submission so he can manipulate people to follow his agenda. I've never understood why we allow people like Newt or David Vitter who disrespect their families with sexual misbehavior to continue in office.
When will Tom Delay run again, that jerk has been successful in avoiding prosecution.

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No problem
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 31, 2009 5:57 AM   
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like any religion, pay up and all is forgotten.. just ask JFK, affairs with everyone including one of his interns (and you thought Bill was the first to enter that forbidden territory).

Since Catholics are a minority in this country and most other Christians do not like Catholics, Newt is in big trouble.. Southern Baptist is the way to go!

Only JFK could get elected with that monkey on his back.. but then, he paid off the mob to get the unions behind him! and we want a stronger mob - ooops, I mean union!

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If Calista thinks the Church is going to keep him in line...
Posted by: social democract on Mar 31, 2009 6:06 AM   
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..she's going to be sorely disappointed. If I were her, I would try real hard to stay out of hospitals.

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Ego te absolvo, my son. Now go and do it again.
Posted by: peterjkraus on Mar 31, 2009 6:13 AM   
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"Upon receiving communion, Hudson received an annulment from his first wife, then divorced his second wife four years later. “It’s not unusual to do that in this day and age,” Hudson reflected". Well, hey. As long as you can screw whomever you want, rape, pillage and plunder all day long and be absolved of it all once a week or once a month ("Father, I have sinned"... now, how hard is that for a slimeball to confess every now and then?), The Church is the ideal place for the Hudsons and Newts of this world to hide behind. Gawd blessem all, the sinners.

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NEWT GINGRICH IS ALREADY CATHOLIC!!!!
Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 31, 2009 6:43 AM   
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Don't believe me? Look it up:

http://www.nndb.com/people/487/000024415/

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Interesting theory because...
Posted by: Ambercat on Mar 31, 2009 6:44 AM   
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converting to Catholicism probably won't help a lot among the hardcore evangelical base, many of who do not believe Catholics are Christians. They have been willing to work with Catholics on select issues (anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage) but they have often been the quickest to condemn Catholicism under the table.

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Why does he think he's relevant?
Posted by: Parallax on Mar 31, 2009 7:03 AM   
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Newt doesn't have a chance.....why does he think that what he says actually matters anymore. These people live in their very own dimension!

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Muslim is that next?
Posted by: shiftjammer on Mar 31, 2009 7:12 AM   
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Newt would and will sell his soul for a chance to be President. If he thought that converting to muslim would get him elected. He'd be praying to Allah right now!!!!!

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Just long term GOP strategy
Posted by: ADCS on Mar 31, 2009 7:25 AM   
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Let's face it, Newt, for all his sliminess, has half a brain. He knows that fiscal conservatism (read: corporate aristocratic policy) is dying in the normal sources of the last 30 years (southern white evangelicals, who are increasingly growing populist in the Huckabee strain, if not radicalizing). Secular whites are tending more liberal, and are growing faster than any other ethnoreligious group.

The only way to counter this is the changing makeup of the US via immigration, and these people tend to be Catholic. Likewise, the biggest group of staunch fiscal conservatives currently are ethnic whites in the Northeast and Midwest, who also lean Catholic. Newt obviously thinks this is the center of a new coalition to rebuild the Republican Party around after jettisoning the lunatics down South.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to model a new movement within the party that is similar to Christian Democratic parties in Europe, particularly the Bavarian CSU, which in many ways is the most "American" political party in continental Europe.

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Oh baloney
Posted by: BlueTigress on Mar 31, 2009 7:40 AM   
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I call bullshit on Newt. I doubt that he's sincere about this. He's probably just looking for for a fresh flock to pull the wool over on.

The guy's a phony who's only in this for his personal glory.

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and obama is anti-catholic?
Posted by: sinfony78 on Mar 31, 2009 8:15 AM   
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"It is sad to see Notre Dame invite President Obama to give the commencement address since his policies are so anti-Catholic values”

sorry newt, but jesus was about social equality and compassion which you and your ilk obviously know nothing about

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Ploy
Posted by: Bizatch! on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 AM   
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I couldn't help but view this articles in terms of some interesting books I've read recently. Two of them go pretty far to explain the psychological background of those such as Gingrich: "The Politics of Denial" linked text and "Conservatives Without Conscience" linked text

But there's one other book which I believe is extremely revealing about the behavior of those who seek power by projecting a sham persona of righteousness and strength: "The Insanity of Normality" by Arno Gruen. It's interesting that it's not better known, because Gruen (practicing psychologist) is much more daring in his diagnosis than most others. He sees such men as being truly insane regardless of their acceptance as leaders. Gingrich is a classic of this type... everything he stands for is contradicted by his behavior. Such personalities, including Reagan, Bush Jr. etc., are only concerned with how they appear to others... acceptance is paramount to their success.

Gruen is more original than I've described him, and reading his book is like lifting the lid off the black box that is charismatic power. A very convincing study of the madness of our leaders.

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what surprise?
Posted by: davidg on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 AM   
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There's Newt rushing into the 14th Century. Google Archibald MacLeish's poem "The End of the Word." It's all a circus and we're (close to being) doomed.

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They Are Wrong
Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 31, 2009 8:38 AM   
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They say there are no truly "ex" Catholics; once a Catholic always a Catholic. They are wrong!!! I am very proud to say I am an EX Catholic, and if he is in the club I am even more glad I left!

p.s. This is from a woman who once wanted to be a nun!

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Old Knewt must have seen the light -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 AM   
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now he wants to worship idols and whiff incense - what next.

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Ain't it grand
Posted by: willymack on Mar 31, 2009 8:47 AM   
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That one can get a witch doctor to say some magic words and wipe away all sins? Not just ANY witch doctor, it seems. Just the one currently in vogue. After all, we can't have just anyone with a claim to a line of communication with the guy in the sky; it's gotta be the right one. What a crock.

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OUT OF THE FRYING PAN, INTO THE FIRE
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Mar 31, 2009 9:00 AM   
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Now Newt has thrown aside Christianity for Catholicism. It seems there is nothing a politician won't do to get ahead.

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Cults
Posted by: rankfive on Mar 31, 2009 9:14 AM   
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I am not sure which is the bigger cult. The Catholics or the Scientology's.

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There is a trend
Posted by: noalternative on Mar 31, 2009 9:38 AM   
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of Southern Baptist converting to Catholicism then becoming Opus Dei Catholics. I think they are hoping to create a branch of the religious right in Catholicism. It already exist when you are talking about the Church hierarchy, but they are a minuscule part of the electorate. Most Catholics don't listen to the church heirarchy or Opus Dei.

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Wait just a minute.
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 31, 2009 9:38 AM   
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Isn't there a Catholic in this crowd?

Divorce is not a matter for simple absolution.

The Church recognizes marriages performed under God in another religion. Although the individuals have not partaken of the Sacrament of Marriage, they are considered by the Church to be in a valid lifelong contract under God. A Catholic, for instance, is not free to marry a Jew married by a rabbi and then divorced, unless the marriage is invalidated by a rabbi, or unless the canon lawyers allow some convoluted evocations or interpretations of Paul and Peter who may have been married. To tell you the truth, I don't know what they are, only that there's a Peterine and a Pauline privilege which could be invoked. The Church is no more likely to sanction marriage in the Church after the groom's two Protestant divorces.

Newt perhaps used his position to obtain some speedy annulments. Or maybe everyone is just willing to look the other way while conservative Catholics kvell over the coup of having Newt in the fold.

I know a Catholic couple who waited for years to marry in the Church, pending an annulment. I wonder what they think of Newt's instant success?

As boring as this is, I find that it's evidence that Newt's breed of dog can't learn new tricks. He and his religionist buds are leaking from all orifices over his entering a conservative Church, thinking that it makes him more palatable. They can't seem to understand that the American people have had ENOUGH of their up-yours religious standards, and want only to say goodbye to the parading of religion as a social, political and moral standard of coercion for the secular public.

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Liam on the Left says:
Posted by: Liam on Mar 31, 2009 10:38 AM   
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As if the Pope and the Bishops don't give us Catholics enough to be embarrassed about. He will fit right in with the hypocrites now running the church. Newt needs to remember that Catholics didn't listen to the child molester apologists and deniers and went with Obama. A Catholic asshole is still an asshole.

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So Newt condones the molestation and abuse of children,
Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 31, 2009 10:50 AM   
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both boys and girls (those nuns had a fast swing with a ruler)being covered up by a male dominated church? Yup, he is a man of high moral values. LOL

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If I Hadn`t Already Left The Catholic Church
Posted by: Freticat on Mar 31, 2009 1:34 PM   
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This would prompt me to do so. I haven`t been a practicing Catholic since I was 10 or so. Even as a child, I could see the hypocricy in the Catholic church and almost all other institutionalized religions.

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English usage note
Posted by: steve7193 on Mar 31, 2009 2:41 PM   
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"Aide" is the spelling when you are speaking of a person, for example, a teacher's aide, nurse's aide, et cetera. And aide is an assistant. Not a big problem, just thought I would note it.

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Using religion like this has to be sacrilegious TO HELL WITH YOU NEWT
Posted by: orwellturns on Mar 31, 2009 2:50 PM   
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I am not religious but I respect other people's right to be as long as they don't push it on me and they observe the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Even though I'm not religious I know I have more ethics and better morals than these HYPOCRITES do. How they can look at themselves in the mirror every day is beyond me.

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C'mon everybody, Newt as the GOP Nominee is a GREAT IDEA!!
Posted by: rickiey on Mar 31, 2009 3:06 PM   
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Its a money saver for the Democrats, Obama will be able to beat him without bothering to campaign.

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PRIEST WASTES TIME ON OBAMA!
Posted by: reelman on Mar 31, 2009 3:11 PM   
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Head of Holy Cross order asks Obama to rethink position on abortion
By John Thavis
ROME (CNS) — The head of the Holy Cross religious order that founded the University of Notre Dame has written to U.S. President Barack Obama and asked him to rethink his positions on abortion and other life issues.

U.S. Father Hugh W. Cleary, Holy Cross superior general in Rome, said that when Obama receives an honorary degree from the Indiana university and delivers the commencement address in May, he should take to heart the objections of Catholics who have been scandalized by the invitation.

CRAWFISH NOTE: Here we go again, believing that the liberals (aka secular socialists) don’t really mean what they say, don’t really mean how they vote and don’t really deserve the 100% rating by the radical Planned Parenthood secularists. IF is for children. Obama should be disinvited NOW. Either you have principles or you don’t. Is the head of CAIR speaking at Yeshiva U? Is the ACLU head speaking at Liberty U? For God’s sake, get up off your knees….weakness is not respected by the modern arrogant cold ruthless secularist.

Its been 3 months…have you seen or heard of the Obamas attending church one day this year? Well, have you? Suckers.

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No Newt!
Posted by: BDwon on Mar 31, 2009 6:38 PM   
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Man all i can say is...who cares! Haha Newt Gingrich wants to run in 2012 and bring back the big bad GOP? sorry i don't see this happening with Obama already attempting to change this country. See how you can join Obama in your community on 99problems.org and make some much needed changes for ourselves!

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Newt Replaces Palin as Keynote Speaker
Posted by: Lilly on Mar 31, 2009 9:25 PM   
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Google News today said that Sarah Palin has been replaced by Newt Gingrich as keynote speaker at the coming GOP House-Senate big deal confab. I see this as Gingrich throwing his hat into the ring. Somebody at the GOP knows that while Palin is not electable, Gingrich might very well be---I disagree with every word he has ever spoken, but I find him articulate and sometimes even eloquent, and he is obviously intelligent and very politically savvy. He would know better than to rabble-rouse to the base the way Palin did. This is not a development that makes me happy. As for the religious conversion, well, it worked for GW Bush, didn't it? People forgave his history of, oh God let's not get into all that again, everything, because he had found Jesus. I see that scenario coming again. Gingrich will be sold as the wise elder statesman who has had a religious epiphany that has made him BETTER THAN BEFORE. Get out your barf bags.

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Ahhh, Catholics...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Apr 1, 2009 4:55 AM   
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...the ones that brought the crusades, inquisitions, and now another infallible nazi pope that preaches that condoms CAUSE more aids than not!

In addition this is the church that said that the a woman who is raped and has an abortion will be automatically excommunicated, but NOT the rapist!

Whatta great religion...

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Catholic forgiveness
Posted by: dkm on Apr 1, 2009 2:18 PM   
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At my gym I knew a woman, who was on the prowl, who once told me that the good thing about being a Catholic is that you can have an affair and then go to confession and it was ok to go back and do it again. My ex, a devout Irish Catholic, was much the same.

There are two ways to deal with the guilt trip that is such an integral part of Catholicism. One is just go to confession, say your Hail Marys, and then forget about it. The other is to leave Catholicism altogether. The first is the manipulative, dishonest approach. The second is how a person with integrity deals with the problem.

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Run Newt=NIA
Posted by: frank69 on Apr 1, 2009 2:31 PM   
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As a life long Democrat, my battle cry for 2012 will be "Run Newt, Run."

NIA = NEWT IS an ASS!

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Death wish
Posted by: frank69 on Apr 1, 2009 2:33 PM   
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Should the Republican party nominate Newt Gingrich as their standard bearer, then the R's really do have a death wish.

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A Non-Denominational Prayer You May Have Heard Before
Posted by: Fathoms on Apr 1, 2009 5:48 PM   
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May God Bless and keep the Newt; Far Away From Us!

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Who?
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 1, 2009 11:35 PM   
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The decision was made in the GOP about the time they pulled the plug on the global economy that Jeb Bush will take over the White House in 2013, possibly with Sarah Palin as his life insurance.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Even more reason to not vote for the Newt
Posted by: drfun on Apr 2, 2009 3:31 AM   
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as he would be beholden to the current Pope.

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ADIOS ALTERNET PROPAGANDA
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Apr 2, 2009 7:56 AM   
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My comments were censored by Alternet even though they are factually accurate. Every high school history class teaches the terrors and tortures of the Spanish Inquisition and the senseless depravity of the Roman Catholic Crusades in the holy land. If you believe that any church that committed such atrocities is Christian in any sense of the word, then you are doomed to a life of perpetual ignorance. Alternet will help you remain in that state. I want the unvarnished truth, not politically correct propaganda, so I am removing Alternet from my new sources.

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PRETENDING THIS MATTERS
Posted by: reelman on Apr 2, 2009 1:22 PM   
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Another reach to smear because a conservative is effective...by a person knowing zilch about the Catholic Church (and probably hating it too)...
big yawn, big laugh...
how juvenile can you get...we are not that dumb...

How about an article on why Obama has not attended any church in 2009 after pretending to be an active christian? You libs are such fawning suckers.

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How Is It That Conservative GOP Can "Redeem" Themselves...
Posted by: ddoorn on Apr 5, 2009 1:30 AM   
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...but progressive candidates never can...?

Could Edwards possibly pull off such a coup?

Could even Dean with his little whoop of excitement ever hope to turn his rep about and become a viable candidate again?

MSM would squash anything even faintly sounding like this, yet will march out Newt as the next best thing to sliced bread!

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No Absolution due to Newt's conversion......
Posted by: 24&somuchmore on Mar 31, 2009 12:43 AM   
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While most of the Catholics I know (and am related to) have a strong faith, I find it hard to believe that Newt is not simply trying to satisfy some earthly purpose / motivation by this conversion.

Obviously, I am not the final Judge. Actions speak louder than words, and his true motivations will be known in the End. Hopefully he is not truly playing with Fire.

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Benedict XVII?
Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 31, 2009 12:59 AM   
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He's probably hoping to become Pope Benedict XVII. After all, he's already got one of the major qualifications: a sense of infallibility.

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Jeb in 2012
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 31, 2009 2:31 AM   
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I think they're gonna flip the election to Jeb Bush in for 2012. You heard it here first.

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Birds of a feather Flock together
Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 31, 2009 3:01 AM   
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Religious circles getting pretty small ah Newt?
Of course they claim there isn't a Catholic who has lived that has broken Catholic doctrine- It's set up that way! 'Catholic Guilt' is how that oganization has thrived through the millenia- It's how they gained their power. If the rules are so strict everyone is bound to break them, and they are the sole source of redemption- they got the market cornered. At tleast now they don't have the ability to torture and execute to condemn or'Cleanse' you.
Peter & paul Highjacked the religion and built the same oppressive, heretical organization which Jesus had railed against.
No a surprise Newt would come to the doctrine now that a Nazi is Pope.
The one valueable lesson I learned from the Catholic church- trust no one who uses scripture to explain, and absolve themselves, of their heinous deeds.

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The incredible stupidity of the christian right never ceases to
Posted by: bitsfick on Mar 31, 2009 3:47 AM   
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amaze and terrify me. BTW is his wife is going to be pissed when she sees what he did to her bra, making a hat out of one of the cups.

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None of this is going to matter the more Obama keeps screwing up and panders to the rightwing
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 31, 2009 3:54 AM   
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whether we're talking more bailouts for Wall $treet or expanding Bush's wars. I'm no fan of Newt Gingrich but the way Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc ... of the Democratic Party are mishandling everything and refusing to be any different from the GOP for the most part, I'm getting even more fed up than I did even in 2007 and 2008. We could see the worst case scenario where a lot of those who voted for Obama are gonna be very angry, betrayed, and disaffected to the point of staying home on election day, voting 3rd party en masse ala 1992, or even voting Republican in extreme anger. The corporate media will cover up Newt's divorce scandals just like they covered up Raygun's in the 1980s.

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He, Tony Blair and Lew Lerman
Posted by: weathered on Mar 31, 2009 4:12 AM   
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can coddle in the same chamber.


Faith and fear can't occupy the same space, so they're motivated by the former and that's a good thing.

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As my father said...
Posted by: jackie78 on Mar 31, 2009 4:08 AM   
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I am a fifth generation catholic. I attended Catholic elementary, high school and college. There is nothing worse than a convert. But Perhaps there is? A cynical convert who would use catholicism's easy going ways of forgiveness to try and attain high political office. Bleh, Newt, go wither and die old man....

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This approach to conversion shows they don't understand what it means to be a Catholic
Posted by: ambrclaire on Mar 31, 2009 4:41 AM   
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These guys believing that as long as they confess they can keep sinning shows they don't have a clue. I don't see them saying they will try NOT to sin anymore, they just want to sin and be absolved and sin and be absolved...if they think being a Catholic just makes it easier to sin because you confess later they are sadly mistaken.

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The media did everything they could to "glorify" big fat Newty.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 31, 2009 4:42 AM   
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And I wouldn't be surprised to see them try it again. As maxpayne earlier pointed out, they make Newty a personality celebrity just as they did Raygun back in the 1980s.

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Absolved Abschmolved.
Posted by: mikehattan on Mar 31, 2009 4:56 AM   
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A desperate ploy and by the time he does make his move,(if he is)considerably more intelligent people will have realized that religion is irrelevant in the 21st century.So here we go again with the sneaky, outdated Catholic Church offering sneaky ways out of what only they believe. The staggering thing is that a politician would believe in spells,conjurs and outdated mumbjo jumbo it is really mind blowing.

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jstuv
Posted by: jstuv on Mar 31, 2009 5:04 AM   
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Ah, the superstitious faithful!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8

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This would be a bad thing if....
Posted by: Jasonix on Mar 31, 2009 5:13 AM   
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...Americans were willing to discuss Catholic dogma with the same bluntness as we're willing to discuss Mormonism.

So Newt now believes he'll burn in Hell if he ejaculates outside of his wife's vagina?

Newt now believes that 75% of Americans belong to false religions that "are not churches in the proper sense," to use the Vatican's own words, and "have grave defects relative to salvation?"

Newt now believes that most people can only go to Heaven if God decides that they're too stupid or lunk-headed to get that Catholicism is the one true faith?

Newt now believes that a cholesterol-free snack treat is an incarnation of his God worthy of his personal worship?

Newt now believes that the Virgin Mary appears and forecasts the end of the world in visions to epileptics, young children, and in physical signs such as her image in grilled cheese sandwiches?

Newt now tunes into EWTN and gets his groove on as people devote hour-long shows to bashing other denominations - the ones that most Americans belong to - and opine about the day when Catholicism will vanquish every other expression of Christianity on earth?

All of these are the "conservative" Catholic beliefs. We're loathe to discuss them because "cultural Catholics" get offended that we're dissing their ethnic tradition.

We'll see how well it works for Newt. My guess - not so much.

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Hopeful
Posted by: Sparks56 on Mar 31, 2009 5:30 AM   
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The hopeful aspect of Newt's conversion, certainly politically motivated, is that it indicates the growing political irrelevancy of the Protestant Evangelicals, and that is a good thing. The Catholic Church in America is shrinking by the day and I doubt Newt's entrance is going to turn that around. That is a good thing, too
Gingrich is a hypocrite and he needs a hypocrite god. Go (down) in peace, Newt.

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The honorable LABOr president TONY Blair...
Posted by: richholland on Mar 31, 2009 5:31 AM   
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watching englands Tony Blair on TV gave many people the idea this bloke is a Liar, he isnt a worker but a lawyer pretending...

(USA big friend in the Iraq War..
And guess he converted to Catholic...
O Lord is there also a place for Hillary and Bill and Barack?????
after all the Holy Pope doesnt like condoms, but who does???

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Marriage equality:
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Mar 31, 2009 5:47 AM   
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End it as a legal institution.

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Like Monty Python
Posted by: sawdust on Mar 31, 2009 5:48 AM   
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Absurd, ridiulous and laughable. And I don't mean what he did, but that he really thinks it will change anything or that we will believe him. I hope the Church is embarrassed.

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More Republican Intolerance
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Mar 31, 2009 5:54 AM   
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Newt will become just another typical Republican, right wing, religious right crusader to use his 'new-found' catholic religion not just to run for office again as an adulterer, but to use his GOP club to bash women, abortion rights, gay rights, and to continue to carry the banner of scaring Americans into submission so he can manipulate people to follow his agenda. I've never understood why we allow people like Newt or David Vitter who disrespect their families with sexual misbehavior to continue in office.
When will Tom Delay run again, that jerk has been successful in avoiding prosecution.

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No problem
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 31, 2009 5:57 AM   
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like any religion, pay up and all is forgotten.. just ask JFK, affairs with everyone including one of his interns (and you thought Bill was the first to enter that forbidden territory).

Since Catholics are a minority in this country and most other Christians do not like Catholics, Newt is in big trouble.. Southern Baptist is the way to go!

Only JFK could get elected with that monkey on his back.. but then, he paid off the mob to get the unions behind him! and we want a stronger mob - ooops, I mean union!

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If Calista thinks the Church is going to keep him in line...
Posted by: social democract on Mar 31, 2009 6:06 AM   
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..she's going to be sorely disappointed. If I were her, I would try real hard to stay out of hospitals.

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Ego te absolvo, my son. Now go and do it again.
Posted by: peterjkraus on Mar 31, 2009 6:13 AM   
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"Upon receiving communion, Hudson received an annulment from his first wife, then divorced his second wife four years later. “It’s not unusual to do that in this day and age,” Hudson reflected". Well, hey. As long as you can screw whomever you want, rape, pillage and plunder all day long and be absolved of it all once a week or once a month ("Father, I have sinned"... now, how hard is that for a slimeball to confess every now and then?), The Church is the ideal place for the Hudsons and Newts of this world to hide behind. Gawd blessem all, the sinners.

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NEWT GINGRICH IS ALREADY CATHOLIC!!!!
Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 31, 2009 6:43 AM   
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Don't believe me? Look it up:

http://www.nndb.com/people/487/000024415/

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Interesting theory because...
Posted by: Ambercat on Mar 31, 2009 6:44 AM   
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converting to Catholicism probably won't help a lot among the hardcore evangelical base, many of who do not believe Catholics are Christians. They have been willing to work with Catholics on select issues (anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage) but they have often been the quickest to condemn Catholicism under the table.

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Why does he think he's relevant?
Posted by: Parallax on Mar 31, 2009 7:03 AM   
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Newt doesn't have a chance.....why does he think that what he says actually matters anymore. These people live in their very own dimension!

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Muslim is that next?
Posted by: shiftjammer on Mar 31, 2009 7:12 AM   
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Newt would and will sell his soul for a chance to be President. If he thought that converting to muslim would get him elected. He'd be praying to Allah right now!!!!!

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Just long term GOP strategy
Posted by: ADCS on Mar 31, 2009 7:25 AM   
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Let's face it, Newt, for all his sliminess, has half a brain. He knows that fiscal conservatism (read: corporate aristocratic policy) is dying in the normal sources of the last 30 years (southern white evangelicals, who are increasingly growing populist in the Huckabee strain, if not radicalizing). Secular whites are tending more liberal, and are growing faster than any other ethnoreligious group.

The only way to counter this is the changing makeup of the US via immigration, and these people tend to be Catholic. Likewise, the biggest group of staunch fiscal conservatives currently are ethnic whites in the Northeast and Midwest, who also lean Catholic. Newt obviously thinks this is the center of a new coalition to rebuild the Republican Party around after jettisoning the lunatics down South.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to model a new movement within the party that is similar to Christian Democratic parties in Europe, particularly the Bavarian CSU, which in many ways is the most "American" political party in continental Europe.

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Oh baloney
Posted by: BlueTigress on Mar 31, 2009 7:40 AM   
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I call bullshit on Newt. I doubt that he's sincere about this. He's probably just looking for for a fresh flock to pull the wool over on.

The guy's a phony who's only in this for his personal glory.

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and obama is anti-catholic?
Posted by: sinfony78 on Mar 31, 2009 8:15 AM   
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"It is sad to see Notre Dame invite President Obama to give the commencement address since his policies are so anti-Catholic values”

sorry newt, but jesus was about social equality and compassion which you and your ilk obviously know nothing about

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Ploy
Posted by: Bizatch! on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 AM   
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I couldn't help but view this articles in terms of some interesting books I've read recently. Two of them go pretty far to explain the psychological background of those such as Gingrich: "The Politics of Denial" linked text and "Conservatives Without Conscience" linked text

But there's one other book which I believe is extremely revealing about the behavior of those who seek power by projecting a sham persona of righteousness and strength: "The Insanity of Normality" by Arno Gruen. It's interesting that it's not better known, because Gruen (practicing psychologist) is much more daring in his diagnosis than most others. He sees such men as being truly insane regardless of their acceptance as leaders. Gingrich is a classic of this type... everything he stands for is contradicted by his behavior. Such personalities, including Reagan, Bush Jr. etc., are only concerned with how they appear to others... acceptance is paramount to their success.

Gruen is more original than I've described him, and reading his book is like lifting the lid off the black box that is charismatic power. A very convincing study of the madness of our leaders.

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what surprise?
Posted by: davidg on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 AM   
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There's Newt rushing into the 14th Century. Google Archibald MacLeish's poem "The End of the Word." It's all a circus and we're (close to being) doomed.

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They Are Wrong
Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 31, 2009 8:38 AM   
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They say there are no truly "ex" Catholics; once a Catholic always a Catholic. They are wrong!!! I am very proud to say I am an EX Catholic, and if he is in the club I am even more glad I left!

p.s. This is from a woman who once wanted to be a nun!

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Old Knewt must have seen the light -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 AM   
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now he wants to worship idols and whiff incense - what next.

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Ain't it grand
Posted by: willymack on Mar 31, 2009 8:47 AM   
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That one can get a witch doctor to say some magic words and wipe away all sins? Not just ANY witch doctor, it seems. Just the one currently in vogue. After all, we can't have just anyone with a claim to a line of communication with the guy in the sky; it's gotta be the right one. What a crock.

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OUT OF THE FRYING PAN, INTO THE FIRE
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Mar 31, 2009 9:00 AM   
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Now Newt has thrown aside Christianity for Catholicism. It seems there is nothing a politician won't do to get ahead.

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Cults
Posted by: rankfive on Mar 31, 2009 9:14 AM   
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I am not sure which is the bigger cult. The Catholics or the Scientology's.

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There is a trend
Posted by: noalternative on Mar 31, 2009 9:38 AM   
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of Southern Baptist converting to Catholicism then becoming Opus Dei Catholics. I think they are hoping to create a branch of the religious right in Catholicism. It already exist when you are talking about the Church hierarchy, but they are a minuscule part of the electorate. Most Catholics don't listen to the church heirarchy or Opus Dei.

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Wait just a minute.
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 31, 2009 9:38 AM   
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Isn't there a Catholic in this crowd?

Divorce is not a matter for simple absolution.

The Church recognizes marriages performed under God in another religion. Although the individuals have not partaken of the Sacrament of Marriage, they are considered by the Church to be in a valid lifelong contract under God. A Catholic, for instance, is not free to marry a Jew married by a rabbi and then divorced, unless the marriage is invalidated by a rabbi, or unless the canon lawyers allow some convoluted evocations or interpretations of Paul and Peter who may have been married. To tell you the truth, I don't know what they are, only that there's a Peterine and a Pauline privilege which could be invoked. The Church is no more likely to sanction marriage in the Church after the groom's two Protestant divorces.

Newt perhaps used his position to obtain some speedy annulments. Or maybe everyone is just willing to look the other way while conservative Catholics kvell over the coup of having Newt in the fold.

I know a Catholic couple who waited for years to marry in the Church, pending an annulment. I wonder what they think of Newt's instant success?

As boring as this is, I find that it's evidence that Newt's breed of dog can't learn new tricks. He and his religionist buds are leaking from all orifices over his entering a conservative Church, thinking that it makes him more palatable. They can't seem to understand that the American people have had ENOUGH of their up-yours religious standards, and want only to say goodbye to the parading of religion as a social, political and moral standard of coercion for the secular public.

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Liam on the Left says:
Posted by: Liam on Mar 31, 2009 10:38 AM   
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As if the Pope and the Bishops don't give us Catholics enough to be embarrassed about. He will fit right in with the hypocrites now running the church. Newt needs to remember that Catholics didn't listen to the child molester apologists and deniers and went with Obama. A Catholic asshole is still an asshole.

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So Newt condones the molestation and abuse of children,
Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 31, 2009 10:50 AM   
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both boys and girls (those nuns had a fast swing with a ruler)being covered up by a male dominated church? Yup, he is a man of high moral values. LOL

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If I Hadn`t Already Left The Catholic Church
Posted by: Freticat on Mar 31, 2009 1:34 PM   
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This would prompt me to do so. I haven`t been a practicing Catholic since I was 10 or so. Even as a child, I could see the hypocricy in the Catholic church and almost all other institutionalized religions.

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English usage note
Posted by: steve7193 on Mar 31, 2009 2:41 PM   
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"Aide" is the spelling when you are speaking of a person, for example, a teacher's aide, nurse's aide, et cetera. And aide is an assistant. Not a big problem, just thought I would note it.

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Using religion like this has to be sacrilegious TO HELL WITH YOU NEWT
Posted by: orwellturns on Mar 31, 2009 2:50 PM   
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I am not religious but I respect other people's right to be as long as they don't push it on me and they observe the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Even though I'm not religious I know I have more ethics and better morals than these HYPOCRITES do. How they can look at themselves in the mirror every day is beyond me.

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C'mon everybody, Newt as the GOP Nominee is a GREAT IDEA!!
Posted by: rickiey on Mar 31, 2009 3:06 PM   
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Its a money saver for the Democrats, Obama will be able to beat him without bothering to campaign.

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PRIEST WASTES TIME ON OBAMA!
Posted by: reelman on Mar 31, 2009 3:11 PM   
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Head of Holy Cross order asks Obama to rethink position on abortion
By John Thavis
ROME (CNS) — The head of the Holy Cross religious order that founded the University of Notre Dame has written to U.S. President Barack Obama and asked him to rethink his positions on abortion and other life issues.

U.S. Father Hugh W. Cleary, Holy Cross superior general in Rome, said that when Obama receives an honorary degree from the Indiana university and delivers the commencement address in May, he should take to heart the objections of Catholics who have been scandalized by the invitation.

CRAWFISH NOTE: Here we go again, believing that the liberals (aka secular socialists) don’t really mean what they say, don’t really mean how they vote and don’t really deserve the 100% rating by the radical Planned Parenthood secularists. IF is for children. Obama should be disinvited NOW. Either you have principles or you don’t. Is the head of CAIR speaking at Yeshiva U? Is the ACLU head speaking at Liberty U? For God’s sake, get up off your knees….weakness is not respected by the modern arrogant cold ruthless secularist.

Its been 3 months…have you seen or heard of the Obamas attending church one day this year? Well, have you? Suckers.

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» RE: For your info...Obama's father ...! Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal

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No Newt!
Posted by: BDwon on Mar 31, 2009 6:38 PM   
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Man all i can say is...who cares! Haha Newt Gingrich wants to run in 2012 and bring back the big bad GOP? sorry i don't see this happening with Obama already attempting to change this country. See how you can join Obama in your community on 99problems.org and make some much needed changes for ourselves!

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Newt Replaces Palin as Keynote Speaker
Posted by: Lilly on Mar 31, 2009 9:25 PM   
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Google News today said that Sarah Palin has been replaced by Newt Gingrich as keynote speaker at the coming GOP House-Senate big deal confab. I see this as Gingrich throwing his hat into the ring. Somebody at the GOP knows that while Palin is not electable, Gingrich might very well be---I disagree with every word he has ever spoken, but I find him articulate and sometimes even eloquent, and he is obviously intelligent and very politically savvy. He would know better than to rabble-rouse to the base the way Palin did. This is not a development that makes me happy. As for the religious conversion, well, it worked for GW Bush, didn't it? People forgave his history of, oh God let's not get into all that again, everything, because he had found Jesus. I see that scenario coming again. Gingrich will be sold as the wise elder statesman who has had a religious epiphany that has made him BETTER THAN BEFORE. Get out your barf bags.

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Ahhh, Catholics...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Apr 1, 2009 4:55 AM   
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...the ones that brought the crusades, inquisitions, and now another infallible nazi pope that preaches that condoms CAUSE more aids than not!

In addition this is the church that said that the a woman who is raped and has an abortion will be automatically excommunicated, but NOT the rapist!

Whatta great religion...

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Catholic forgiveness
Posted by: dkm on Apr 1, 2009 2:18 PM   
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At my gym I knew a woman, who was on the prowl, who once told me that the good thing about being a Catholic is that you can have an affair and then go to confession and it was ok to go back and do it again. My ex, a devout Irish Catholic, was much the same.

There are two ways to deal with the guilt trip that is such an integral part of Catholicism. One is just go to confession, say your Hail Marys, and then forget about it. The other is to leave Catholicism altogether. The first is the manipulative, dishonest approach. The second is how a person with integrity deals with the problem.

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Run Newt=NIA
Posted by: frank69 on Apr 1, 2009 2:31 PM   
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As a life long Democrat, my battle cry for 2012 will be "Run Newt, Run."

NIA = NEWT IS an ASS!

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Death wish
Posted by: frank69 on Apr 1, 2009 2:33 PM   
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Should the Republican party nominate Newt Gingrich as their standard bearer, then the R's really do have a death wish.

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A Non-Denominational Prayer You May Have Heard Before
Posted by: Fathoms on Apr 1, 2009 5:48 PM   
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May God Bless and keep the Newt; Far Away From Us!

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Who?
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 1, 2009 11:35 PM   
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The decision was made in the GOP about the time they pulled the plug on the global economy that Jeb Bush will take over the White House in 2013, possibly with Sarah Palin as his life insurance.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Even more reason to not vote for the Newt
Posted by: drfun on Apr 2, 2009 3:31 AM   
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as he would be beholden to the current Pope.

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ADIOS ALTERNET PROPAGANDA
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Apr 2, 2009 7:56 AM   
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My comments were censored by Alternet even though they are factually accurate. Every high school history class teaches the terrors and tortures of the Spanish Inquisition and the senseless depravity of the Roman Catholic Crusades in the holy land. If you believe that any church that committed such atrocities is Christian in any sense of the word, then you are doomed to a life of perpetual ignorance. Alternet will help you remain in that state. I want the unvarnished truth, not politically correct propaganda, so I am removing Alternet from my new sources.

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PRETENDING THIS MATTERS
Posted by: reelman on Apr 2, 2009 1:22 PM   
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Another reach to smear because a conservative is effective...by a person knowing zilch about the Catholic Church (and probably hating it too)...
big yawn, big laugh...
how juvenile can you get...we are not that dumb...

How about an article on why Obama has not attended any church in 2009 after pretending to be an active christian? You libs are such fawning suckers.

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How Is It That Conservative GOP Can "Redeem" Themselves...
Posted by: ddoorn on Apr 5, 2009 1:30 AM   
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...but progressive candidates never can...?

Could Edwards possibly pull off such a coup?

Could even Dean with his little whoop of excitement ever hope to turn his rep about and become a viable candidate again?

MSM would squash anything even faintly sounding like this, yet will march out Newt as the next best thing to sliced bread!

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