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The Long and Sadistic History Behind the CIA's Torture Techniques
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In the 20th century, there were two main traditions of clean torture -- the kind that doesn't leave marks, as modern torturers prefer. The first is French modern, a combination of water- and electro-torture. The second is Anglo-Saxon modern, a classic list of sleep deprivation, positional and restraint tortures, extremes of temperature, noise, and beatings.
All the techniques in the accounts of torture by the International Committee of the Red Cross, as reported Monday, collected from 14 detainees held in CIA custody, fit a long historical pattern of Anglo-Saxon modern. The ICRC report apparently includes details of CIA practices unknown until now, details that point to practices with names, histories, and political influences. In torture, hell is always in the details.
The ice-water cure. "On a daily basis during the first two weeks I was made to lie on a plastic sheet placed on the floor which would then be lifted at the edges. Cold water was then poured onto my body with buckets. ... I would be kept wrapped inside the sheet with the cold water for several minutes. I would then be taken for interrogation," detainee Walid bin Attash told the Red Cross.
In the 1920s, the Chicago police used to extract confessions from prisoners by chilling them in freezing water baths. This was called the "ice-water cure." That's not its first use. During World War I, American military prisons subjected conscientious objectors to ice-water showers and baths until they fainted. The technique appeared in some British penal colonies as well; occasionally in Soviet interrogation in the 1930s; and more commonly in fascist Spain, Vichy France, and Gestapo-occupied Belgium. The Allies also used it against people they regarded as war criminals and terrorists. Between 1940 and 1948, British interrogators used "cold-water showers" as part of a brutal interrogation regimen in a clandestine London prison for German POWs accused of war crimes. French Paras also used cold showers occasionally in Algeria in the 1950s. In the 1970s, Greek, Chilean, Israeli, and Syrian interrogators made prisoners stand under cold showers or in cold pools for long periods. And American soldiers in Vietnam called it the "old cold-water-hot-water treatment" in the 1960s.
Cold cell. Abu Zubaydah, another detainee, says, "I woke up, naked, strapped to a bed, in a very white room. … [T]he cell and room were air-conditioned and were very cold." There, he was shackled to a chair for two to three weeks. "Cold cell" is one of six known authorized CIA interrogation techniques.
Since the 1960s, torturers have adapted air vents to put "the air in a state of war with me," in the words of one prisoner. In the first recorded case in 1961, guards at Parchman, Mississippi's state penitentiary, blasted civil rights detainees with a fire hose and then turned "the air-conditioning system on full blast" for three days. In 1965, detainees in Aden reported that British guards kept them "undressed in very cold cells with air conditioners and fans running at full speed." In other countries, interrogators have forced prisoners to stand or squat for long periods in front of blasting air-conditioning units or fans, as in South Vietnam (1970s), Singapore (1970s), the Philippines (1976), Taiwan (1980), South Africa (1980s), and Israel (1991 to present).
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Mar 21, 2009 1:32 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 21, 2009 4:28 AM
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Unconstitutional? You bet!
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These practices are no different to what is being done today in the name of "Protection" of the state. This is so much bally hoo. It is for the enforcement of dogma as per the church. I do not find anything anywhere in the Bible which would give this authority to ANY nation OR Christian Church. The Bible does warn about a spurious organisation that would take over the Christian Church and would set itself up as God and would also claim to be able to tell God what He must do. In other words, a church that had its own mark of authority and claiming that their leader is above the Law and God. He sets laws and is NOT subject to any law of any country. He claims infallability for himself. In other words, he IS god. Funny thing how it seems that most people believe him. The bible refers to it as Blasphemy.
With one who Blasphemes like that, what chance has anyone got for a fair trial. You are damned before you start IF you do not recognise this Blasphemer as the leader of the so called christian religion. Christianity? Not on your life it isn't. Perverted religion? You bet and the CIA is part of it!
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Posted by: uncertain on Mar 21, 2009 7:40 AM
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Something tells me that sleep deprivation, beatings, and harsh language are nothing compared to what goes on in those interrogation rooms.
It's the 21st century - you think they can't come up with anything more sadistic or painful than waterboarding?
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Posted by: roli on Mar 21, 2009 9:06 AM
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We should be proud. Life, hasn't change a thing.
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Posted by: knowbuddhaU on Mar 21, 2009 9:22 AM
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Now I'm disappointed. Who wrote that misleading headline?
For this to be as described, it would have to include and introduction to patterns of primate behavior (torture and cruelty being vestiges our inner apes); it's use for ritualistic and religious purposes (noting that some cultures use it as a method for inducing transcendental states, not just punishment); and especially the psychology of torture.
Kinetic torture is simply bestial: crushing, cutting, burning, freezing, etc., all imply: 'Do as I say or suffer a living hell until you do.' We FORCE people to do as we say, or we simply ratchet up the pain until they do.
And then what?
I'm sorry, professor, you probably didn't write the headline. For this to be as described, it would have to focus a lot more on the role of social scientists in the US in developing our updated and upgraded methods of going ape on our sisters and brothers.
Where's McGill University? Where's the Milgram and Zimbardo experiments, esp. the Stanford Prison Experiment? What about the CIA's use of psychotropic drugs? Where's the reverse engineering of SERE methods and the torture methods of our Cold War opponents?
The sordid tale of the CIA's use of torture can't be told without detailing the involvement of the American Psychological Association.
We get fooled, again and again, by being mind-f*cked (the impolite phrase for Naomi Klein’s brilliant ’shock doctrine’) into thinking we are only part things that must relate to the Whole via bachelor fathers with terrible tempers and unspoken habits. My science, psychology, has midwifed this monstrous abuse of being human.
Physicists deliberately chose the absolutely isolated point particle as their fundamental unit. Psychologists, despite Oppenheimer’s 1955 warning to the APA convention, adopted this as our model of the ego.
This implodes our psyches into point instances--quantum singularities--of egocentric pain in a mechanical, lifeless, dare I say god-forsaken cosmos where kinetic power determines the order of our day.
We, my friends, are cosmic pinheads. We are cellf-imprisoned in cellves of our own mistaken making. Torture by isolation isn’t aberrant for us, it’s what we do. Defining our selves as essentially cellf-imprisoned is at the root of human suffering.
By reducing us to Newtonian billiard balls in an absolute vacuum, we psychologists sneak our belief system into our science under our priestly white lab coats. For the APA to uphold torture is perfectly in character.
The on-going effort, to reduce us to machines the better "to predict and control" (Our Motto) human behavior, by conceiving of psychology as being of the type of natural science modeled after physics, has been among the worst ideas ever. Sure, we've learned a lot. But at what cost, and who benefits?
A more accurate headline might be, A Short Timeline of (Mostly Phsysical) Torture Practices We've Used and May Still Be Using.
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Posted by: grahamhgreen on Mar 22, 2009 12:00 PM
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Thank you for another enlightening article.
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i guess we should video tape , THEM GETTING
THIER FIN HEADS CUT OFF.
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Why then does Obama not tell them what they cannot do in our name?
Obama is running a risk that he will soon be seen as
"no change" from Bush.
If Obama's "no one is above the law" is to be believed,
Obama must soon Appoint a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR for all Bush officials who violated Our
Federal Laws (including Torture) and our Constitution
Avoiding prosecution of these well known Federal Crimes is an Admission by Obama
that He Supports Immunity for Bush, Cheney and Himself,
proving to all voters that high US officials
are protected from Federal Laws & our US Constitution
by their successors.
SIGN The PETITION To Prosecute Bush & Cheney for Torture
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 21, 2009 4:28 AM
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Unconstitutional? You bet!
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These practices are no different to what is being done today in the name of "Protection" of the state. This is so much bally hoo. It is for the enforcement of dogma as per the church. I do not find anything anywhere in the Bible which would give this authority to ANY nation OR Christian Church. The Bible does warn about a spurious organisation that would take over the Christian Church and would set itself up as God and would also claim to be able to tell God what He must do. In other words, a church that had its own mark of authority and claiming that their leader is above the Law and God. He sets laws and is NOT subject to any law of any country. He claims infallability for himself. In other words, he IS god. Funny thing how it seems that most people believe him. The bible refers to it as Blasphemy.
With one who Blasphemes like that, what chance has anyone got for a fair trial. You are damned before you start IF you do not recognise this Blasphemer as the leader of the so called christian religion. Christianity? Not on your life it isn't. Perverted religion? You bet and the CIA is part of it!
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Posted by: uncertain on Mar 21, 2009 7:40 AM
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Something tells me that sleep deprivation, beatings, and harsh language are nothing compared to what goes on in those interrogation rooms.
It's the 21st century - you think they can't come up with anything more sadistic or painful than waterboarding?
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Posted by: roli on Mar 21, 2009 9:06 AM
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We should be proud. Life, hasn't change a thing.
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Posted by: knowbuddhaU on Mar 21, 2009 9:22 AM
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Now I'm disappointed. Who wrote that misleading headline?
For this to be as described, it would have to include and introduction to patterns of primate behavior (torture and cruelty being vestiges our inner apes); it's use for ritualistic and religious purposes (noting that some cultures use it as a method for inducing transcendental states, not just punishment); and especially the psychology of torture.
Kinetic torture is simply bestial: crushing, cutting, burning, freezing, etc., all imply: 'Do as I say or suffer a living hell until you do.' We FORCE people to do as we say, or we simply ratchet up the pain until they do.
And then what?
I'm sorry, professor, you probably didn't write the headline. For this to be as described, it would have to focus a lot more on the role of social scientists in the US in developing our updated and upgraded methods of going ape on our sisters and brothers.
Where's McGill University? Where's the Milgram and Zimbardo experiments, esp. the Stanford Prison Experiment? What about the CIA's use of psychotropic drugs? Where's the reverse engineering of SERE methods and the torture methods of our Cold War opponents?
The sordid tale of the CIA's use of torture can't be told without detailing the involvement of the American Psychological Association.
We get fooled, again and again, by being mind-f*cked (the impolite phrase for Naomi Klein’s brilliant ’shock doctrine’) into thinking we are only part things that must relate to the Whole via bachelor fathers with terrible tempers and unspoken habits. My science, psychology, has midwifed this monstrous abuse of being human.
Physicists deliberately chose the absolutely isolated point particle as their fundamental unit. Psychologists, despite Oppenheimer’s 1955 warning to the APA convention, adopted this as our model of the ego.
This implodes our psyches into point instances--quantum singularities--of egocentric pain in a mechanical, lifeless, dare I say god-forsaken cosmos where kinetic power determines the order of our day.
We, my friends, are cosmic pinheads. We are cellf-imprisoned in cellves of our own mistaken making. Torture by isolation isn’t aberrant for us, it’s what we do. Defining our selves as essentially cellf-imprisoned is at the root of human suffering.
By reducing us to Newtonian billiard balls in an absolute vacuum, we psychologists sneak our belief system into our science under our priestly white lab coats. For the APA to uphold torture is perfectly in character.
The on-going effort, to reduce us to machines the better "to predict and control" (Our Motto) human behavior, by conceiving of psychology as being of the type of natural science modeled after physics, has been among the worst ideas ever. Sure, we've learned a lot. But at what cost, and who benefits?
A more accurate headline might be, A Short Timeline of (Mostly Phsysical) Torture Practices We've Used and May Still Be Using.
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Posted by: grahamhgreen on Mar 22, 2009 12:00 PM
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i guess we should video tape , THEM GETTING
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Why then does Obama not tell them what they cannot do in our name?
Obama is running a risk that he will soon be seen as
"no change" from Bush.
If Obama's "no one is above the law" is to be believed,
Obama must soon Appoint a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR for all Bush officials who violated Our
Federal Laws (including Torture) and our Constitution
Avoiding prosecution of these well known Federal Crimes is an Admission by Obama
that He Supports Immunity for Bush, Cheney and Himself,
proving to all voters that high US officials
are protected from Federal Laws & our US Constitution
by their successors.
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