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Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
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Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians.
The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops.
Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the "atmosphere" among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were "very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers."
A squad leader said: "At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away."
The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the "dirty secrets" would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being "shocked" by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he "feared a serious moral failure" in the IDF.
In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: "The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers."
A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that "we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist." The squad leader said: "To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics."
Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: "I say to you that from the chief of staff down to the last soldier, the most moral army in the world stands ready to take orders from the government of Israel. I have no doubt that every incident will be individually examined."
But Israeli human rights organisations, including B'Tselem and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, called for an independent investigation and complained that the military police inquiry had only been announced after Haaretz published the story, "three weeks after the relevant materials reached the Chief of the General Staff. This tardiness follows a pattern of failures to investigate suspicions of serious crimes".
Amos Harel, the paper's respected military correspondent who broke the story, wrote that Mr Zamir was sentenced in 1990 for refusing to guard a settlers' ceremony at Joseph's tomb in the West Bank. But he added that a reading of the transcript shows that Mr Zamir "acts out of a deep concern for the spirit of the IDF".
In their own words: Soldiers' stories
Squad leader Aviv
"At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and to ascend floor by floor and – I call it murder – to go from floor to floor and to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. This frightened me a bit. I tried to influence it as much as possible, despite my low rank, to change it. In the end the directive was to go into a house, switch on loudspeakers and tell them 'you have five minutes to run away and whoever doesn't will be killed'."
Soldier Ram
"There was an order to free the [confined] families. The platoon commander set free the family and told them to turn right. A mother and two children didn't understand and turned left. [Officers] had forgotten to tell the sniper on the roof that they were being set free and that everything was okay and he should hold fire. You can say that he acted as he was supposed to, in accordance with the orders. The sniper saw a woman and children approaching him, past lines that no one was to be allowed to cross. He fired directly at them. I don't know if he fired at their legs but in the end he killed them."
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Posted by: booboo on Mar 21, 2009 12:10 AM
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"Zionism being racist."
"Anything else?"
Gaza And The Warsaw Ghetto
same place
different time
while the world stood by
genocide
live
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» I am sorry, did I miss something??? Were the palestinians in The Warsaw Ghetto???
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» I always wondered about that
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Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 21, 2009 1:02 AM
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Gazans, like US detainees, are unpeople who have no rights.
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Mar 21, 2009 1:10 AM
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Sadly, I'm not convinced that even these stories coming from the army will change anything, either within Israel or in the US. Those in power have a very strong interest in maintaining the status quo, and the uninformed general public doesn't like relinquishing its pet hatreds.
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» If you clear out the IDF soldiers and Dual Israeli's from our positions of power in our gov...
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» No ,it is too much of a secret.
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Posted by: maestra on Mar 21, 2009 1:47 AM
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NO! REALLY?!!
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» Notice the name of the IDF chief of staff??? Gabi "Ashkenazi"
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» Oh not this again...
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Posted by: Dr. Jacqui on Mar 21, 2009 2:23 AM
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» RE: Will the Jewish conscience win?
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» Jewish conscience? What's that?
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» Yes, and they have said so in public quotes that they will not...
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» You Are Essentially on Point
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» THIS IS THAT TROLL, IRIS86!
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» Joshua dropped the Ten Commandments in the garbage
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Posted by: weathered on Mar 21, 2009 3:04 AM
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While that is a symptom of their remarkably selfish and arrogant pathology, its infected us now too.
Take back MSM or drown in the deceit.
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Posted by: photon's feather on Mar 21, 2009 4:22 AM
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Note the use of the word "gentiles," not "Arabs."
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Posted by: hquain on Mar 21, 2009 4:58 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 21, 2009 5:04 AM
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There is no (*) after 'thou shall not Kill', 'Thou shall not covet..' or 'Worhsip Graven Images'. This Dirt patch and th eimages these brick (stone) monuments ONLY represent, are far more egregious to the 'golden Rules' than even the fleshy containers God used to be seen and heard by Humans (Jesus, Mohammad) Nothing more than the Bottle which contained the 'Genie'.
This mound of desolate earth can't even produce enough food to contribute to the Global food bank!Not even a massive Fresh water Supply if needed! No worthy forms of Energy production....Nothing of any real consequence or value to Humanity. Just Sand. If These 'faithfuls' actually had any reverence for the 'word of God' or even concern about their immortal souls,you'd think after 2 Millenia of slaughter, someone would finally say 'this is not worth it'
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» This does not bother the Israeli leaders who are not traditional....
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» RE: Barry Chamish, Israel's leading ufologist? That explains EVERYTHING.
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Posted by: jbpazz on Mar 21, 2009 5:19 AM
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In this way, he never confronts the real forces that ruin his life. Where are the real issues War? Depression? Torture?
While he lists the Jewish sins, he ignores reality. The ills continue unabated.
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» RE: Dictatorships are Infamous for Vilifying Jews
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» RE: What a dumb attempt to spin Zionists crimes against humanity!
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» RE: Dictatorships are Infamous for Vilifying Jews
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» Reality: Israelis are murderers; Zionists are racists
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» Yes, we know about that from what the Zionists did to their own people in WWII...
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» Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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» RE: Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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» Not only that but he literally foams at the mouth when you criticize....
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» Seek psychiatric intervention, squirrel-bait
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» "prophit", didn't you claim that Timothy Geithner worked for Goldman Sachs?
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» RE: Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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» Prove it. Where do I "defend Zionists" and "the official story on 9/11"?
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» So. . . you don't believe the official story on 9/11 . . .
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» I don't want your apology, twit. Where's your proof?
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» Why don't you just post another identity theft link . . .
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Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 21, 2009 6:33 AM
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Mar 21, 2009 6:40 AM
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"Literature passed out to soldiers by the army's rabbinate "had a clear message — we are the people of Israel, we came by a miracle to the land of Israel, God returned us to the land, now we need to struggle to
>>>>>>get rid of the gentiles
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» Hold it there!
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Posted by: dongarb on Mar 21, 2009 7:18 AM
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Israel cannot be criticized! Repeat as many times necessary until you get it right!
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» RE: The unwritten law of the world says a lot of Bull Shit ...
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» RE: The unwritten law of the world says a lot of Bull Shit ...
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Posted by: hilaryuk on Mar 21, 2009 7:19 AM
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Again, it is human nature to identify a military foe as less human than yourself - how else can a normal person justify the killing of another human being. The dominant ethos of Israel may indeed accentuate this factor as an occupying nation must justify its occupation of land it has no legitimate claim on, but the difference between it and, say, the US and UK military is one of degree, not absolutes.
War corrupts the participants and there is no getting round that uncomfortable fact. Yes, these stories make shocking reading, but so does the fact that our armies routinely call in airpower to protect their soldiers' lives. Little regard is paid to "collateral" (now there's an obscene euphemism) because no-one really questions the underlying assumption that one soldier's life is worth more than any number of those of the people who happen to live there. Even the best of our commentators tend to count "our" losses rather than those of the occupied. Even those who railed against the Iraq war often did so on the same basis.
So when we are looking at the IDF, try to remember that we are looking into a mirror.
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Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 21, 2009 7:42 AM
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The only way they have been able to survive is by the disproportionate influence they have been able to develop over our Congress and Executive branch.
In addition to the 3 to 4 billion in military and financial aid we give Israel each year, we also give several billion to Egypt and Lebanon
to bribe them not to attack Israel.
We should have invaded Israel instead of Iraq.
Israel could then be made a colony of the US.
If we controlled Israel instead of them controlling us, we could force them to stop the killing and return the land stolen from the Palestinians.
That would create tremendous good will for us in the Arab/Muslim populations. We could then end the fake war on terror.
And we could then destroy Israel's nuclear warheads
to ease more of the tension in neighboring countries including Iran.
I realize that there is one major drawback to this plan. Israel has no oil for us to plunder.
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Posted by: fearn on Mar 21, 2009 8:52 AM
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America/Israel children of a common mother.
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Posted by: avidAmerican on Mar 21, 2009 9:35 AM
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» RE: NICE TRY IRIS89!!
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» The world knows where the blame lies in this conflict
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» BLAME....I blame you and me.
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» And the drooling idiots have their say...
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Posted by: waterflaws on Mar 21, 2009 10:43 AM
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» RE: You are right - Zionism and Nazism share at least one disgusting premise
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» that is why those Israeli's who are not ashkanazi's are at risk as well..
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» RE: Hitler won
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Posted by: vand on Mar 21, 2009 10:58 AM
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Instead of talking to ourselves, with the exception of the writers addicted to expletives, could the internet find an ingenious, systematic way to get the truth out in ordinary newspapers?
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» RE: eporting the truth
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» RE: eporting the truth
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» RE: eporting the truth
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» vand - write letters to the editor, submit your own editorial, enlist friends to do the same
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Posted by: Javan on Mar 21, 2009 11:02 AM
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The decision to ban George Galloway from Canada seems odd, but now it emerges that the Jewish Defense League (JDL) pressured the Canadian Government (Alikhan Velshi), so the action takes on sinister connotations for Canada, why? Because the Jewish Defense League are according to the FBI a Terrorist Group. In its report, Terrorism 2000/2001, the FBI referred to the JDL as a "violent extremist Jewish organization". This "violent extremist Jewish organization" now it seems has power and influence over the Canadian Government.
Is there anyone they cannot control with their intimidation? Worse than the mafia ever thought about being.
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» RE: Public opinion is bringing Israel DOWN
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 21, 2009 11:44 AM
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» RE: Thanks for the confessions, soldiers. You're not the problem. The pols are.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Mar 21, 2009 11:48 AM
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I got two letters back in response to my letter. The first stating they have referred my letter to a higher authority. The second letter was from their higher authority and filled with Zionist ranting but the last line was the most informative. "We live by a different set of rules."
When you really do believe that you are "God's Chosen People" and you live it, no one else matters. It sure makes an excellent and easy excuse for a holocaust of your own.
"The Brutality unleashed on mankind in the name of "Manifest Destiny" will eventually end up exterminating this species. That is one set of rules, Israel and the Jews (or the US for that matter) will never learn.
Jay Lindberg
If Israel continues to act like Nazis in the middle east, the state will perish in a radioactive waste cloud.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 21, 2009 1:15 PM
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Posted by: soundoff on Mar 21, 2009 1:39 PM
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For over 60 years these countries, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Soudi Arabia, etc., etc., have armed and incited these displaced Arabs to attack Israel. and prevent the actual formation of a homeland for them. The Israelis have tried again and again to come to some agreement on dividing the splinter of land, comprising little more than 1% of the surrounding Arab countries, into a Palestinian homeland, peacefully existing next to Israel. Instead they were treated to constant rocket fire aimed at anything in Israel, mortar fire, armed incursions and kidnapping of Israelis, and a constant harassment and animosity. The "Palestinians" are trained from childhood on to hate, hate, hate anything Israeli. Trained to be happy suicidal bombers, just to kill as many Israelis as they can. How dare anyone criticize Israel for trying to stop this constant, unconsciable, attempt to kill Israelis. Where are the Palestinian peacemakers? Where are the level-minded ones in their population?
The fact that Israeli soldiers disclosed the fact that they were told their invasion of "Palestine" was a religious duty, shows the honesty and honor that the Israelis exhibit. Of course it was wrong to label the attack by Israel as a religious duty. It was in reality an answer to decades of bombings and attacks from the "Palestinians." How long would the USA stand for bombs and mortar shells coming from Canada or Mexico without answering in kind?
So let the Jew-Haters uncork their bile. It will change nothing. Comparing what is happening in Israel and "Palestine" to the Holocaust of the Nazi era is pure idiocy. May they drown in their own drool.
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» Superhuman = subhuman
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» We're not occupying Canada or Mexico
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Posted by: saadasim on Mar 21, 2009 2:02 PM
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I must give credit to the Israelis. They are very good at finding justification for whatever massacres they want to do.
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Posted by: phindrup on Mar 21, 2009 6:02 PM
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Indiscriminate destruction of property” what the hell else can it be when in the first 24 hours one hundred tonnes of bombs were dropped upon one of the most densely populated area in the world?
The destruction of housing with tanks and bulldozers? The destruction of farms and factories for no reason other than to deprive the Palestinians of what little they have?
Murder? One of the best equipped armies in the world turned loose against a caged, defenceless population with no armaments capable of any sort of defence and no area of sanctuary to flee too.
Today this is all the Israeli army is good for. Brutal jailers torturing and murdering their helpless victims.
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» RE: Israel the brave, NOT Genocide
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Posted by: humanity101 on Mar 21, 2009 10:04 PM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 22, 2009 3:06 AM
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» NIGHTMARES
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Posted by: weathered on Mar 22, 2009 6:23 AM
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Israel is a trojan horse, all very carefully packaged and presented w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a hollywood production
- and all at our immense expense.
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Posted by: XPIOLT on Mar 22, 2009 8:08 AM
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Posted by: stellabloo on Mar 22, 2009 8:21 AM
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While some of the anger and depair in Amerika has been recently catalyzed towards AIG executives and the departed administration, scratch the surface of many otherwise well-adjusted citizens and quite often you unleash a vitriolic diatribe against immigrants and how they are overpopulating the US, taking up valuable resources and undermining the future of the country and American Way of Life.
When the surviving germans climbed out of the rubble after WWII, they vowed never to repeat the atrocities of the Holocaust. Copies of "Mein Kampf" were banned. Violent films were heavily censored. Refugees and immigrants were encouraged while german youth were taught that Germany alone and the cowardice of the german people were responsible for the deaths of so many.
Thirty years later Germany was a prosperous nation thanks in part to socialist ideals such as universal healthcare, regulatory protection and an advanced apprenticeship program. In fact the apprenticeship program was SO successful that there were no germans left to perform the menial work and thousands of migrant workers were brought in, mostly from Turkey.
Before reunification, Germany had 65 million people in a country the size of Washington state. Even at this population density, they were still able to grow 60% of their own food and german engineering and technology were still a gold standard around the world.
After reunification the economy changed, dragged down by the need to modernize a completely depleted East Germany. Unemployment began to rise and the new skinhead movement emerged, with anger directed towards the migrant workers for taking up german jobs and german living space. It only took the country 50 years to go full circle again.
It is good to acknowledge that what is happening in Gaza is WRONG - the Israelis will only perpetuate this war to the nth generation with their inhumane tactics. It is also WRONG for the US and Israel to pointedly ignore any and all UN resolutions aimed at restoring peace or addressing corporate wrongdoing. But this is just an intellectual exercise in morality unless we become willing to take a good hard look at ourselves FIRST and realize that we are riding pretty high on the "Chosen People" syndrome ourselves :.?
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Posted by: mjt on Mar 22, 2009 7:45 AM
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Posted by: wisegalah on Mar 23, 2009 4:37 AM
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Killing by the iSSraeli army is just the same.
After the all the policies of clearing land for Jews is exactly as the Liebensraum policies of Hitler.
Same program same methods.
Is it not interesting that we become exact replicas of those whom we profess to hate most vehemently.
And why is that?
Precisely because we most hate those who demonstrate what criminality and bestiality we have in our own hearts.
Interesting too that both the Swastika and the Star of David were originally symbols of a deeper spirituality and understanding of the human condition.
Both symbols have been perverted in the pursuit of poisonous nonsense and power.
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Posted by: pangolin on Mar 25, 2009 4:03 PM
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Search the term:"Israeli brain drain" and you will find that Israel's "best and brightest" have no intention of staying there one minute longer than they have to. They can do the math.
Three hundred million arab peoples surround Israel and consider it a child-killing abomination. The average age of their arab neighbors is about 20. The average age in Israel is over 35.
America is floundering and with Rahm Emmanual in the White House with Obama there will be no improvement. Wall Street has written checks that the environment cannot cash. The american people do not have the jobs or organization to pay their debts.
When america falters Israel will fall.
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Posted by: booboo on Mar 21, 2009 12:10 AM
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"Zionism being racist."
"Anything else?"
Gaza And The Warsaw Ghetto
same place
different time
while the world stood by
genocide
live
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Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 21, 2009 1:02 AM
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Gazans, like US detainees, are unpeople who have no rights.
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Mar 21, 2009 1:10 AM
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Sadly, I'm not convinced that even these stories coming from the army will change anything, either within Israel or in the US. Those in power have a very strong interest in maintaining the status quo, and the uninformed general public doesn't like relinquishing its pet hatreds.
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NO! REALLY?!!
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Posted by: weathered on Mar 21, 2009 3:04 AM
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While that is a symptom of their remarkably selfish and arrogant pathology, its infected us now too.
Take back MSM or drown in the deceit.
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Note the use of the word "gentiles," not "Arabs."
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 21, 2009 5:04 AM
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There is no (*) after 'thou shall not Kill', 'Thou shall not covet..' or 'Worhsip Graven Images'. This Dirt patch and th eimages these brick (stone) monuments ONLY represent, are far more egregious to the 'golden Rules' than even the fleshy containers God used to be seen and heard by Humans (Jesus, Mohammad) Nothing more than the Bottle which contained the 'Genie'.
This mound of desolate earth can't even produce enough food to contribute to the Global food bank!Not even a massive Fresh water Supply if needed! No worthy forms of Energy production....Nothing of any real consequence or value to Humanity. Just Sand. If These 'faithfuls' actually had any reverence for the 'word of God' or even concern about their immortal souls,you'd think after 2 Millenia of slaughter, someone would finally say 'this is not worth it'
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Posted by: jbpazz on Mar 21, 2009 5:19 AM
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In this way, he never confronts the real forces that ruin his life. Where are the real issues War? Depression? Torture?
While he lists the Jewish sins, he ignores reality. The ills continue unabated.
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» Not only that but he literally foams at the mouth when you criticize....
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» Prove it. Where do I "defend Zionists" and "the official story on 9/11"?
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» So. . . you don't believe the official story on 9/11 . . .
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» I don't want your apology, twit. Where's your proof?
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Mar 21, 2009 6:40 AM
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"Literature passed out to soldiers by the army's rabbinate "had a clear message — we are the people of Israel, we came by a miracle to the land of Israel, God returned us to the land, now we need to struggle to
>>>>>>get rid of the gentiles
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Posted by: dongarb on Mar 21, 2009 7:18 AM
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Israel cannot be criticized! Repeat as many times necessary until you get it right!
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Posted by: hilaryuk on Mar 21, 2009 7:19 AM
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Again, it is human nature to identify a military foe as less human than yourself - how else can a normal person justify the killing of another human being. The dominant ethos of Israel may indeed accentuate this factor as an occupying nation must justify its occupation of land it has no legitimate claim on, but the difference between it and, say, the US and UK military is one of degree, not absolutes.
War corrupts the participants and there is no getting round that uncomfortable fact. Yes, these stories make shocking reading, but so does the fact that our armies routinely call in airpower to protect their soldiers' lives. Little regard is paid to "collateral" (now there's an obscene euphemism) because no-one really questions the underlying assumption that one soldier's life is worth more than any number of those of the people who happen to live there. Even the best of our commentators tend to count "our" losses rather than those of the occupied. Even those who railed against the Iraq war often did so on the same basis.
So when we are looking at the IDF, try to remember that we are looking into a mirror.
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Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 21, 2009 7:42 AM
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The only way they have been able to survive is by the disproportionate influence they have been able to develop over our Congress and Executive branch.
In addition to the 3 to 4 billion in military and financial aid we give Israel each year, we also give several billion to Egypt and Lebanon
to bribe them not to attack Israel.
We should have invaded Israel instead of Iraq.
Israel could then be made a colony of the US.
If we controlled Israel instead of them controlling us, we could force them to stop the killing and return the land stolen from the Palestinians.
That would create tremendous good will for us in the Arab/Muslim populations. We could then end the fake war on terror.
And we could then destroy Israel's nuclear warheads
to ease more of the tension in neighboring countries including Iran.
I realize that there is one major drawback to this plan. Israel has no oil for us to plunder.
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Posted by: fearn on Mar 21, 2009 8:52 AM
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America/Israel children of a common mother.
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» BLAME....I blame you and me.
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Posted by: vand on Mar 21, 2009 10:58 AM
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Instead of talking to ourselves, with the exception of the writers addicted to expletives, could the internet find an ingenious, systematic way to get the truth out in ordinary newspapers?
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Posted by: Javan on Mar 21, 2009 11:02 AM
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The decision to ban George Galloway from Canada seems odd, but now it emerges that the Jewish Defense League (JDL) pressured the Canadian Government (Alikhan Velshi), so the action takes on sinister connotations for Canada, why? Because the Jewish Defense League are according to the FBI a Terrorist Group. In its report, Terrorism 2000/2001, the FBI referred to the JDL as a "violent extremist Jewish organization". This "violent extremist Jewish organization" now it seems has power and influence over the Canadian Government.
Is there anyone they cannot control with their intimidation? Worse than the mafia ever thought about being.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Mar 21, 2009 11:48 AM
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I got two letters back in response to my letter. The first stating they have referred my letter to a higher authority. The second letter was from their higher authority and filled with Zionist ranting but the last line was the most informative. "We live by a different set of rules."
When you really do believe that you are "God's Chosen People" and you live it, no one else matters. It sure makes an excellent and easy excuse for a holocaust of your own.
"The Brutality unleashed on mankind in the name of "Manifest Destiny" will eventually end up exterminating this species. That is one set of rules, Israel and the Jews (or the US for that matter) will never learn.
Jay Lindberg
If Israel continues to act like Nazis in the middle east, the state will perish in a radioactive waste cloud.
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Posted by: soundoff on Mar 21, 2009 1:39 PM
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For over 60 years these countries, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Soudi Arabia, etc., etc., have armed and incited these displaced Arabs to attack Israel. and prevent the actual formation of a homeland for them. The Israelis have tried again and again to come to some agreement on dividing the splinter of land, comprising little more than 1% of the surrounding Arab countries, into a Palestinian homeland, peacefully existing next to Israel. Instead they were treated to constant rocket fire aimed at anything in Israel, mortar fire, armed incursions and kidnapping of Israelis, and a constant harassment and animosity. The "Palestinians" are trained from childhood on to hate, hate, hate anything Israeli. Trained to be happy suicidal bombers, just to kill as many Israelis as they can. How dare anyone criticize Israel for trying to stop this constant, unconsciable, attempt to kill Israelis. Where are the Palestinian peacemakers? Where are the level-minded ones in their population?
The fact that Israeli soldiers disclosed the fact that they were told their invasion of "Palestine" was a religious duty, shows the honesty and honor that the Israelis exhibit. Of course it was wrong to label the attack by Israel as a religious duty. It was in reality an answer to decades of bombings and attacks from the "Palestinians." How long would the USA stand for bombs and mortar shells coming from Canada or Mexico without answering in kind?
So let the Jew-Haters uncork their bile. It will change nothing. Comparing what is happening in Israel and "Palestine" to the Holocaust of the Nazi era is pure idiocy. May they drown in their own drool.
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Posted by: saadasim on Mar 21, 2009 2:02 PM
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I must give credit to the Israelis. They are very good at finding justification for whatever massacres they want to do.
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Posted by: phindrup on Mar 21, 2009 6:02 PM
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Indiscriminate destruction of property” what the hell else can it be when in the first 24 hours one hundred tonnes of bombs were dropped upon one of the most densely populated area in the world?
The destruction of housing with tanks and bulldozers? The destruction of farms and factories for no reason other than to deprive the Palestinians of what little they have?
Murder? One of the best equipped armies in the world turned loose against a caged, defenceless population with no armaments capable of any sort of defence and no area of sanctuary to flee too.
Today this is all the Israeli army is good for. Brutal jailers torturing and murdering their helpless victims.
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Posted by: weathered on Mar 22, 2009 6:23 AM
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Israel is a trojan horse, all very carefully packaged and presented w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a hollywood production
- and all at our immense expense.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Mar 22, 2009 8:21 AM
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While some of the anger and depair in Amerika has been recently catalyzed towards AIG executives and the departed administration, scratch the surface of many otherwise well-adjusted citizens and quite often you unleash a vitriolic diatribe against immigrants and how they are overpopulating the US, taking up valuable resources and undermining the future of the country and American Way of Life.
When the surviving germans climbed out of the rubble after WWII, they vowed never to repeat the atrocities of the Holocaust. Copies of "Mein Kampf" were banned. Violent films were heavily censored. Refugees and immigrants were encouraged while german youth were taught that Germany alone and the cowardice of the german people were responsible for the deaths of so many.
Thirty years later Germany was a prosperous nation thanks in part to socialist ideals such as universal healthcare, regulatory protection and an advanced apprenticeship program. In fact the apprenticeship program was SO successful that there were no germans left to perform the menial work and thousands of migrant workers were brought in, mostly from Turkey.
Before reunification, Germany had 65 million people in a country the size of Washington state. Even at this population density, they were still able to grow 60% of their own food and german engineering and technology were still a gold standard around the world.
After reunification the economy changed, dragged down by the need to modernize a completely depleted East Germany. Unemployment began to rise and the new skinhead movement emerged, with anger directed towards the migrant workers for taking up german jobs and german living space. It only took the country 50 years to go full circle again.
It is good to acknowledge that what is happening in Gaza is WRONG - the Israelis will only perpetuate this war to the nth generation with their inhumane tactics. It is also WRONG for the US and Israel to pointedly ignore any and all UN resolutions aimed at restoring peace or addressing corporate wrongdoing. But this is just an intellectual exercise in morality unless we become willing to take a good hard look at ourselves FIRST and realize that we are riding pretty high on the "Chosen People" syndrome ourselves :.?
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Posted by: wisegalah on Mar 23, 2009 4:37 AM
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Killing by the iSSraeli army is just the same.
After the all the policies of clearing land for Jews is exactly as the Liebensraum policies of Hitler.
Same program same methods.
Is it not interesting that we become exact replicas of those whom we profess to hate most vehemently.
And why is that?
Precisely because we most hate those who demonstrate what criminality and bestiality we have in our own hearts.
Interesting too that both the Swastika and the Star of David were originally symbols of a deeper spirituality and understanding of the human condition.
Both symbols have been perverted in the pursuit of poisonous nonsense and power.
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Posted by: pangolin on Mar 25, 2009 4:03 PM
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Search the term:"Israeli brain drain" and you will find that Israel's "best and brightest" have no intention of staying there one minute longer than they have to. They can do the math.
Three hundred million arab peoples surround Israel and consider it a child-killing abomination. The average age of their arab neighbors is about 20. The average age in Israel is over 35.
America is floundering and with Rahm Emmanual in the White House with Obama there will be no improvement. Wall Street has written checks that the environment cannot cash. The american people do not have the jobs or organization to pay their debts.
When america falters Israel will fall.
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