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Newly Released Secret Memos Provide the Blueprint for Bush's Police State
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Seven newly released memos from the Bush Justice Department reveal a concerted strategy to cloak the President with power to override the Constitution. The memos provide "legal" rationales for the President to suspend freedom of speech and press; order warrantless searches and seizures, including wiretaps of U.S. citizens; lock up U.S. citizens indefinitely in the United States without criminal charges; send suspected terrorists to other countries where they will likely be tortured; and unilaterally abrogate treaties. According to the reasoning in the memos, Congress has no role to check and balance the executive. That is the definition of a police state.
Who wrote these memos? All but one were crafted in whole or in part by the infamous John Yoo and Jay Bybee, authors of the so-called "torture memos" that redefined torture much more narrowly than the U.S. definition of torture, and counseled the President how to torture and get away with it. In one memo, Yoo said the Justice Department would not enforce U.S. laws against torture, assault, maiming and stalking, in the detention and interrogation of enemy combatants.
What does the federal maiming statute prohibit? It makes it a crime for someone "with the intent to torture, maim, or disfigure" to "cut, bite, or slit the nose, ear or lip, or cut out or disable the tongue, or put out or destroy an eye, or cut off or disable a limb or any member of another person." It further prohibits individuals from "throwing or pouring upon another person any scalding water, corrosive acid, or caustic substance" with like intent.
The two torture memos were later withdrawn after they became public because their legal reasoning was clearly defective. But they remained in effect long enough to authorize the torture and abuse of many prisoners in U.S. custody.
The seven memos just made public were also eventually disavowed, several years after they were written. Steven Bradbury, the Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General in Bush's Department of Justice, issued two disclaimer memos -- on October 6, 2008 and January 15, 2009 -- that said the assertions in those seven memos did "not reflect the current views of this Office." Why Bradbury waited until Bush was almost out of office to issue the disclaimers remains a mystery. Some speculate that Bradbury, knowing the new administration would likely release the memos, was trying to cover his backside.
Indeed, Yoo, Bybee and Bradbury are the three former Justice Department lawyers that the Office of Professional Responsibility singled out for criticism in its still unreleased report. The OPR could refer these lawyers for state bar discipline or even recommend criminal charges against them.
In his memos, Yoo justified giving unchecked authority to the President because the United States was in a "state of armed conflict." Yoo wrote, "First Amendment speech and press rights may also be subordinated to the overriding need to wage war successfully." Yoo made the preposterous argument that since deadly force could legitimately be used in self-defense in criminal cases, the President could suspend the Fourth Amendment because privacy rights are less serious than protection from the use of deadly force.
Bybee wrote in one of the memos that nothing can stop the President from sending al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners captured overseas to third countries, as long as he doesn't intend for them to be tortured. But the Convention Against Torture, to which the United States is a party, says that no country can expel, return or extradite a person to another country "where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture." Bybee claimed the Torture Convention didn't apply extraterritorially, a proposition roundly debunked by reputable scholars. The Bush administration reportedly engaged in this practice of extraordinary rendition 100 to 150 times as of March 2005.
The same day that Attorney General Eric Holder released the memos, the government revealed that the CIA had destroyed 92 videotapes of harsh interrogations of Abu Zubaida and Abd al Rahim al Nashiri, both of whom were subjected to waterboarding. The memo that authorized the CIA to waterboard, written the same day as one of Yoo/Bybee's torture memos, has not yet been released.
Bush insisted that Zubaida was a dangerous terrorist, in spite of the contention of one of the FBI's leading al Qaeda experts that Zubaida was schizophrenic, a bit player in the organization. Under torture, Zubaida admitted to everything under the sun -- his information was virtually worthless.
There are more memos yet to be released. They will invariably implicate Bush officials and lawyers in the commission of torture, illegal surveillance, extraordinary rendition, and other violations of the law.
Meanwhile, John Yoo remains on the faculty of Berkeley Law School and Jay Bybee is a federal judge on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. These men, who advised Bush on how to create a police state, should be investigated, prosecuted, and disbarred. Yoo should be fired and Bybee impeached.
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Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 5, 2009 2:47 AM
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The only way to get these bastards, REALLY get them, is to expose the obvious and glaring lies of 9/11, lies that have been COMPLETELY ignored by the msm, alternative press, and Alternet. It has been seven years since 9/11, and Alternet has maintained complete secrecy about what is so obvious: the coverup of 9/11, and the lies about 9/11. The official story is a fairy tale. 9/11 was an inside job.
But Alternet has decided long ago to join the msm and never mention the lies of 9/11. It is, actually, a conspiracy, pure and simple. We don't know why they have done this, but it cannot be because they don't see a story that is important in this. 9/11 was the biggest story of all time. The lies are so very glaring.
We need an "alternative" to the alternative media. I wish Alternet would decide to be that alternative and break their silence about 9/11. Until somebody does, we will continue our ridiculous, horrible wars and occupations, continue the Patriot Act, and allow criminals like Bush/Cheyney to remain heroes.
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» Oh, Cut the BS! The Only Lies About 9/11 Are By the So-Called "9/11 Truthers"
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Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 AM
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"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 AM
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» This article isn't about plans.
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» Technically correct but I'm afraid JB is correct on the responsibility part.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM
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...and...
... and then they go and vote for some tinpot dictator like Bush.
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Posted by: akbirdwm on Mar 4, 2009 12:17 PM
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» That's not how it looked to the 47% of the nation
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» ...a huge dollop of gullibility
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Posted by: nha16 on Mar 4, 2009 2:45 PM
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Posted by: elmer johnson on Mar 5, 2009 12:50 PM
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Posted by: Jerry on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM
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Posted by: jimswanson on Mar 4, 2009 2:46 PM
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In abandoning the rule of law, the Bush regime did more damage to America than 1,000 al Qaedas and 1,000 bin Ladens.
If we fail to fully prosecute the wrongdoers, we in effect endorse and share their culpability, and we cause even more damage to our nation, our constitutional democracy, and to both domestic and international law.
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See in particular Chapter 12, “An Outlaw Presidency—From Crimes Against Humanity to the Rape of the U.S. Constitution.”
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Posted by: grkjr on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM
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Posted by: Pegaleg on Mar 4, 2009 3:08 PM
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» That's just what Cheney said.
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Posted by: djnoll on Mar 4, 2009 4:41 PM
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One small problem for them was that Obama's new DOJ got to read these memos. Obama made it very clear that while he was not looking to prosecute members of the former administration, he was also returning the rule of law to this nation. I do not think he is overly concerned about limiting the power of the presidency, but rather about letting a very discrete investigation proceed and building a strong, winnable case against all parties involved. Obama understands that the world is expecting this of us, and that as a nation we must proceed through a process of thorough investigation, making public what will not prejudice a case in the defense's favor, while keeping the most damnable evidence for a trial and successful prosecution.
The American public are beginning to wake up, and for now most of the judges on the Appellate Courts are Bush appointees, so the DOJ is letting Congress take the lead for now, and suspect that shortly, Holder will appoint a special prosecutor and turn over the case for prosecution by the end of the year. Do not forget, the DOJ has to first purge the attorneys who are loyal still to Bush, then build a case, get indictments and arrest all the parties involved. The criminals will not be going anywhere anytime soon, since the rest of the world would arrest them on site. Be patient, I think what you are seeing is some of the most cagey legal work since the days of RICO prosecutions.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 4, 2009 6:47 PM
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Posted by: That_SOB on Mar 4, 2009 9:24 PM
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This guy & co. totally marginalized two branches of our government. Tore up and threw away the 1st and 4th amendments, bushco was above the law then, and we are just beginning to unravel the fortress his rotten to the core lawyers built for 'bush the dicator.' Perhaps the bush ego and greed will find him in a country who will put his corrupt ass in front of the Hague. One can always hope ..
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Posted by: can't remember on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM
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I realize we can't rewrite history and maybe we can't rewrite George's multiple anti-people rulings, but there does seem to be a continuity to United States actions over the last number of years that need to be recognized and addressed.
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Posted by: jstuv on Mar 5, 2009 2:02 AM
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A) To make aware that these crimes were actually committed,
B) To examine HOW these crimes were able to be committed,
C) Who committed these crimes and
D) To punish the criminals.
Should the guilty not be punished, then, their Criminal Acts would be absolved and could easily be repeated. There would not be any justice.
“The true administration of justice is the firmest pillar of good government.”
Should the Bush/Chaney Administration (alleged) criminals not be prosecuted, not be brought to trial and not found guilty, then, like the Ronald Reagan Republican group, they will be glorified, deified and praised.
With ALL the evidence available: Eyewitnesses, Documents, Dead Bodies, Remnants of Death Camps, Newsreel clips, piles of clothes, piles of shoes, piles of hair, piles of eyeglasses, piles of gold teeth –COLD HARD EVIDENCE-, there are Holocaust Deniers being celebrated, glorified and believed.
So, too, these (alleged) criminals will be praised and glorified for future generations.
We will have not have learned from history –and the American society will repeat this debacle.
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Posted by: Michel on Mar 5, 2009 2:53 AM
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It is extremely difficult to come to terms with the fact that for so long this evil existed, and was allowed to exist; more than that there were those that advocated it.
I firmly belive Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Bybee, Bush's entire justice department all need to be held accountable.
Is it worth the expense of a long public trial..YOU BET.
How to keep it from happening again....?
At the moment...an overwhelming sense of sadness and deep disapointment. I think there is a very dark place waiting for all the folks who twisted the laws to create their own version of justice.
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Posted by: bitsfick on Mar 5, 2009 3:43 AM
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» Where? Over here....
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Posted by: ! on Mar 5, 2009 5:12 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 5, 2009 5:39 AM
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It amazed me the self righteous Cheerleaders of "Patriotism" were so ignorant they didn't even notice the 'Patriot Act' was Unconstitutional!That Warrantless wire tapping was Innately Illegal in this country. That handing our Free Market economy and our National Defense over to Logos was Treason? That Torture is What Our country has prosecuted other leaders for, including Saddam!
There is a good portion of this country which are victims of self inflicted Retardation. How much longer much we spoon feed them the Blatant Facts before they will finally get a Clue?
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Posted by: rimchamp77 on Mar 5, 2009 5:55 AM
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Of course that would effectively silence the DEA - since none of their statements are based on the truth. What would happen to our nation's drug laws if the Drug Czar had to tell the public that there were no studies conducted prior to banning any drug and that there are no actual measurable standards for harm and risk available to establish any of these fancy drug tables.
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Posted by: mpwilliams on Mar 5, 2009 5:57 AM
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Posted by: pbziegler on Mar 5, 2009 6:52 AM
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Posted by: NathanHail on Mar 5, 2009 6:58 AM
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Congress and the courts had the balls to try and convict a large number of political criminals during Nixon's shameful reign. What is different now? The CIA and DOD were allowed to rum rampant. Billions of dollars wasted and stolen. Blackwater subcontracted murders, lying Attorney Generals, Warrantless domestic wiretaps, Predator drones assassinating individuals with million dollar Hellfire missiles, the ruin of thousands of American soldier's lives and families. W gets to retire to his royal lifestyle. He needs to pay for his subversion and chaos. Not even considering the plunder of the US financial system by his country club cronies.
I'd like to sit on the jury that convicts these punk-ass idiots. They have proven to be more dangerous to American freedom than Bin Laden. We all knew it as soon as the Patriot Act was passed. And the police can still F you up without fear of retribution.
Obama repeal this and all of the Bush anti-American policies and executive orders.
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Mar 5, 2009 7:04 AM
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1. neglected advice of an imminent threat, characterized it to reporters as a “historical” document and “not threat reporting.”
She made the same claim under oath to 9/11 Commissioners.
Later, Condi still refused to admit what the title stated, that Bin Laden intended to strike the United States.
According to Bob Woodward in "State of Denial," former CIA Director George Tenet told Condoleezza about a possible Al Qaeda
attack on the United States one month before President Bush got the August 6 briefing memo.
2. suggested (according to her at the time) invasion of Iraq
3. then, as Secretary of State, ran a continuous smokescreen for years for these sins, especially torture.
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Posted by: truthteller on Mar 5, 2009 11:15 AM
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Posted by: frantic1971 on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 PM
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It is curious how so many of these supposedly gung-ho harsh types display these characteristics. I remember reading in William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", how Himmler once witnessed a demonstration of a mass shooting of Jews. Says Shirer: "he (Himmler) almost fainted when he saw the effects of the first volley. ...then he became hysterical". After the July 20 plot to kill Hitler, when the conspirators were executed it was filmed by orders of Hitler. He showed the film to his entourage, including propaganda minister Goebbels. According to witnesses, Goebbels (whom Shirer described as a "bloodthirsty non-combatant)"kept himself from fainting by covering his eyes".
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Posted by: Triumph on Mar 6, 2009 12:33 PM
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The institutions they work for, are also responsible for this EVIL.
Remember his name! This guy should also be put ON TRIAL along with those of his ilk!
Triumph
"Furthermore, Anthony Lane of The New Yorker feels that, "['Watchmen'] harbors ambitions of political satire, and, to be fair, it should meet the needs of any leering nineteen-year-old who believes that America is ruled by the military-industrial complex, and whose deepest fear -- deeper even than that of meeting a woman who requests intelligent conversation -- is that the Warren Commission may have been right all along." That's some serious commentary about a pretty serious superhero movie that absolutely deserves its R-rating."
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Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 5, 2009 2:47 AM
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The only way to get these bastards, REALLY get them, is to expose the obvious and glaring lies of 9/11, lies that have been COMPLETELY ignored by the msm, alternative press, and Alternet. It has been seven years since 9/11, and Alternet has maintained complete secrecy about what is so obvious: the coverup of 9/11, and the lies about 9/11. The official story is a fairy tale. 9/11 was an inside job.
But Alternet has decided long ago to join the msm and never mention the lies of 9/11. It is, actually, a conspiracy, pure and simple. We don't know why they have done this, but it cannot be because they don't see a story that is important in this. 9/11 was the biggest story of all time. The lies are so very glaring.
We need an "alternative" to the alternative media. I wish Alternet would decide to be that alternative and break their silence about 9/11. Until somebody does, we will continue our ridiculous, horrible wars and occupations, continue the Patriot Act, and allow criminals like Bush/Cheyney to remain heroes.
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» You can't look at the facts of 9/11 and conclude it wasn't an inside job
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» Oh, Cut the BS! The Only Lies About 9/11 Are By the So-Called "9/11 Truthers"
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Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 AM
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"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 AM
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» This article isn't about plans.
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» Technically correct but I'm afraid JB is correct on the responsibility part.
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» Curb your dogma, Beck
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» RE: As long as Barry refuses to undo Dubya's plans, forget it !
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Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM
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...and...
... and then they go and vote for some tinpot dictator like Bush.
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» That's not how it looked to the 47% of the nation
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» RE: Torture.
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Posted by: Jerry on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM
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Posted by: jimswanson on Mar 4, 2009 2:46 PM
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“The Bush League of Nations” [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]
In abandoning the rule of law, the Bush regime did more damage to America than 1,000 al Qaedas and 1,000 bin Ladens.
If we fail to fully prosecute the wrongdoers, we in effect endorse and share their culpability, and we cause even more damage to our nation, our constitutional democracy, and to both domestic and international law.
This and much more appears in, “The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America,” by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).
See in particular Chapter 12, “An Outlaw Presidency—From Crimes Against Humanity to the Rape of the U.S. Constitution.”
You can download the entire $25.95 book for FREE at www.bushleagueofnations.com.
I ask for nothing in return, except that you perhaps use my book to help restore and build America. Perhaps, if you are so inclined, you will also pass along the good word. I'd appreciate that.
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» That's just what Cheney said.
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Posted by: robbins-sandra on Mar 4, 2009 3:47 PM
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Posted by: djnoll on Mar 4, 2009 4:41 PM
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One small problem for them was that Obama's new DOJ got to read these memos. Obama made it very clear that while he was not looking to prosecute members of the former administration, he was also returning the rule of law to this nation. I do not think he is overly concerned about limiting the power of the presidency, but rather about letting a very discrete investigation proceed and building a strong, winnable case against all parties involved. Obama understands that the world is expecting this of us, and that as a nation we must proceed through a process of thorough investigation, making public what will not prejudice a case in the defense's favor, while keeping the most damnable evidence for a trial and successful prosecution.
The American public are beginning to wake up, and for now most of the judges on the Appellate Courts are Bush appointees, so the DOJ is letting Congress take the lead for now, and suspect that shortly, Holder will appoint a special prosecutor and turn over the case for prosecution by the end of the year. Do not forget, the DOJ has to first purge the attorneys who are loyal still to Bush, then build a case, get indictments and arrest all the parties involved. The criminals will not be going anywhere anytime soon, since the rest of the world would arrest them on site. Be patient, I think what you are seeing is some of the most cagey legal work since the days of RICO prosecutions.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 4, 2009 6:47 PM
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Posted by: That_SOB on Mar 4, 2009 9:24 PM
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This guy & co. totally marginalized two branches of our government. Tore up and threw away the 1st and 4th amendments, bushco was above the law then, and we are just beginning to unravel the fortress his rotten to the core lawyers built for 'bush the dicator.' Perhaps the bush ego and greed will find him in a country who will put his corrupt ass in front of the Hague. One can always hope ..
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Posted by: can't remember on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM
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I realize we can't rewrite history and maybe we can't rewrite George's multiple anti-people rulings, but there does seem to be a continuity to United States actions over the last number of years that need to be recognized and addressed.
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Posted by: jstuv on Mar 5, 2009 2:02 AM
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A) To make aware that these crimes were actually committed,
B) To examine HOW these crimes were able to be committed,
C) Who committed these crimes and
D) To punish the criminals.
Should the guilty not be punished, then, their Criminal Acts would be absolved and could easily be repeated. There would not be any justice.
“The true administration of justice is the firmest pillar of good government.”
Should the Bush/Chaney Administration (alleged) criminals not be prosecuted, not be brought to trial and not found guilty, then, like the Ronald Reagan Republican group, they will be glorified, deified and praised.
With ALL the evidence available: Eyewitnesses, Documents, Dead Bodies, Remnants of Death Camps, Newsreel clips, piles of clothes, piles of shoes, piles of hair, piles of eyeglasses, piles of gold teeth –COLD HARD EVIDENCE-, there are Holocaust Deniers being celebrated, glorified and believed.
So, too, these (alleged) criminals will be praised and glorified for future generations.
We will have not have learned from history –and the American society will repeat this debacle.
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Posted by: Michel on Mar 5, 2009 2:53 AM
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It is extremely difficult to come to terms with the fact that for so long this evil existed, and was allowed to exist; more than that there were those that advocated it.
I firmly belive Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Bybee, Bush's entire justice department all need to be held accountable.
Is it worth the expense of a long public trial..YOU BET.
How to keep it from happening again....?
At the moment...an overwhelming sense of sadness and deep disapointment. I think there is a very dark place waiting for all the folks who twisted the laws to create their own version of justice.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 5, 2009 5:39 AM
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It amazed me the self righteous Cheerleaders of "Patriotism" were so ignorant they didn't even notice the 'Patriot Act' was Unconstitutional!That Warrantless wire tapping was Innately Illegal in this country. That handing our Free Market economy and our National Defense over to Logos was Treason? That Torture is What Our country has prosecuted other leaders for, including Saddam!
There is a good portion of this country which are victims of self inflicted Retardation. How much longer much we spoon feed them the Blatant Facts before they will finally get a Clue?
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Posted by: rimchamp77 on Mar 5, 2009 5:55 AM
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Of course that would effectively silence the DEA - since none of their statements are based on the truth. What would happen to our nation's drug laws if the Drug Czar had to tell the public that there were no studies conducted prior to banning any drug and that there are no actual measurable standards for harm and risk available to establish any of these fancy drug tables.
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Posted by: mpwilliams on Mar 5, 2009 5:57 AM
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Posted by: pbziegler on Mar 5, 2009 6:52 AM
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Posted by: NathanHail on Mar 5, 2009 6:58 AM
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Congress and the courts had the balls to try and convict a large number of political criminals during Nixon's shameful reign. What is different now? The CIA and DOD were allowed to rum rampant. Billions of dollars wasted and stolen. Blackwater subcontracted murders, lying Attorney Generals, Warrantless domestic wiretaps, Predator drones assassinating individuals with million dollar Hellfire missiles, the ruin of thousands of American soldier's lives and families. W gets to retire to his royal lifestyle. He needs to pay for his subversion and chaos. Not even considering the plunder of the US financial system by his country club cronies.
I'd like to sit on the jury that convicts these punk-ass idiots. They have proven to be more dangerous to American freedom than Bin Laden. We all knew it as soon as the Patriot Act was passed. And the police can still F you up without fear of retribution.
Obama repeal this and all of the Bush anti-American policies and executive orders.
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Mar 5, 2009 7:04 AM
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1. neglected advice of an imminent threat, characterized it to reporters as a “historical” document and “not threat reporting.”
She made the same claim under oath to 9/11 Commissioners.
Later, Condi still refused to admit what the title stated, that Bin Laden intended to strike the United States.
According to Bob Woodward in "State of Denial," former CIA Director George Tenet told Condoleezza about a possible Al Qaeda
attack on the United States one month before President Bush got the August 6 briefing memo.
2. suggested (according to her at the time) invasion of Iraq
3. then, as Secretary of State, ran a continuous smokescreen for years for these sins, especially torture.
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Posted by: truthteller on Mar 5, 2009 11:15 AM
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Posted by: frantic1971 on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 PM
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It is curious how so many of these supposedly gung-ho harsh types display these characteristics. I remember reading in William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", how Himmler once witnessed a demonstration of a mass shooting of Jews. Says Shirer: "he (Himmler) almost fainted when he saw the effects of the first volley. ...then he became hysterical". After the July 20 plot to kill Hitler, when the conspirators were executed it was filmed by orders of Hitler. He showed the film to his entourage, including propaganda minister Goebbels. According to witnesses, Goebbels (whom Shirer described as a "bloodthirsty non-combatant)"kept himself from fainting by covering his eyes".
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Posted by: Triumph on Mar 6, 2009 12:33 PM
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The institutions they work for, are also responsible for this EVIL.
Remember his name! This guy should also be put ON TRIAL along with those of his ilk!
Triumph
"Furthermore, Anthony Lane of The New Yorker feels that, "['Watchmen'] harbors ambitions of political satire, and, to be fair, it should meet the needs of any leering nineteen-year-old who believes that America is ruled by the military-industrial complex, and whose deepest fear -- deeper even than that of meeting a woman who requests intelligent conversation -- is that the Warren Commission may have been right all along." That's some serious commentary about a pretty serious superhero movie that absolutely deserves its R-rating."
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