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Newly Released Secret Memos Provide the Blueprint for Bush's Police State

By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted March 4, 2009.


The memos' authors, John Yoo and Jay Bybee, should be investigated, prosecuted, and disbarred.
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Seven newly released memos from the Bush Justice Department reveal a concerted strategy to cloak the President with power to override the Constitution. The memos provide "legal" rationales for the President to suspend freedom of speech and press; order warrantless searches and seizures, including wiretaps of U.S. citizens; lock up U.S. citizens indefinitely in the United States without criminal charges; send suspected terrorists to other countries where they will likely be tortured; and unilaterally abrogate treaties. According to the reasoning in the memos, Congress has no role to check and balance the executive. That is the definition of a police state.

Who wrote these memos? All but one were crafted in whole or in part by the infamous John Yoo and Jay Bybee, authors of the so-called "torture memos" that redefined torture much more narrowly than the U.S. definition of torture, and counseled the President how to torture and get away with it. In one memo, Yoo said the Justice Department would not enforce U.S. laws against torture, assault, maiming and stalking, in the detention and interrogation of enemy combatants.

What does the federal maiming statute prohibit? It makes it a crime for someone "with the intent to torture, maim, or disfigure" to "cut, bite, or slit the nose, ear or lip, or cut out or disable the tongue, or put out or destroy an eye, or cut off or disable a limb or any member of another person." It further prohibits individuals from "throwing or pouring upon another person any scalding water, corrosive acid, or caustic substance" with like intent.

The two torture memos were later withdrawn after they became public because their legal reasoning was clearly defective. But they remained in effect long enough to authorize the torture and abuse of many prisoners in U.S. custody.

The seven memos just made public were also eventually disavowed, several years after they were written. Steven Bradbury, the Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General in Bush's Department of Justice, issued two disclaimer memos -- on October 6, 2008 and January 15, 2009 -- that said the assertions in those seven memos did "not reflect the current views of this Office." Why Bradbury waited until Bush was almost out of office to issue the disclaimers remains a mystery. Some speculate that Bradbury, knowing the new administration would likely release the memos, was trying to cover his backside.

Indeed, Yoo, Bybee and Bradbury are the three former Justice Department lawyers that the Office of Professional Responsibility singled out for criticism in its still unreleased report. The OPR could refer these lawyers for state bar discipline or even recommend criminal charges against them.

In his memos, Yoo justified giving unchecked authority to the President because the United States was in a "state of armed conflict." Yoo wrote, "First Amendment speech and press rights may also be subordinated to the overriding need to wage war successfully." Yoo made the preposterous argument that since deadly force could legitimately be used in self-defense in criminal cases, the President could suspend the Fourth Amendment because privacy rights are less serious than protection from the use of deadly force.

Bybee wrote in one of the memos that nothing can stop the President from sending al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners captured overseas to third countries, as long as he doesn't intend for them to be tortured. But the Convention Against Torture, to which the United States is a party, says that no country can expel, return or extradite a person to another country "where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture." Bybee claimed the Torture Convention didn't apply extraterritorially, a proposition roundly debunked by reputable scholars. The Bush administration reportedly engaged in this practice of extraordinary rendition 100 to 150 times as of March 2005.

The same day that Attorney General Eric Holder released the memos, the government revealed that the CIA had destroyed 92 videotapes of harsh interrogations of Abu Zubaida and Abd al Rahim al Nashiri, both of whom were subjected to waterboarding. The memo that authorized the CIA to waterboard, written the same day as one of Yoo/Bybee's torture memos, has not yet been released.

Bush insisted that Zubaida was a dangerous terrorist, in spite of the contention of one of the FBI's leading al Qaeda experts that Zubaida was schizophrenic, a bit player in the organization. Under torture, Zubaida admitted to everything under the sun -- his information was virtually worthless.

There are more memos yet to be released. They will invariably implicate Bush officials and lawyers in the commission of torture, illegal surveillance, extraordinary rendition, and other violations of the law.

Meanwhile, John Yoo remains on the faculty of Berkeley Law School and Jay Bybee is a federal judge on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. These men, who advised Bush on how to create a police state, should be investigated, prosecuted, and disbarred. Yoo should be fired and Bybee impeached.


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Marjorie Cohn is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and president of the National Lawyers Guild. She is the author of Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law and co-author of Rules of Disengagement: The Politics and Honor of Military Dissent, which will be published this spring. Her articles are archived at www.marjoriecohn.com.

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And then go after the only BIG story: the lies of 9/11
Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 5, 2009 2:47 AM   
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Yeah, go and look at this stuff and play with it. But don't expect anything to come of it. Remember, as long as 9/11 was just as they told us, Bush/Cheyney were only acting in our interests, when we all were under severe threats by al-Qaeda, attacks on us imminent each day. Of COURSE they broke some rules! They were trying to protect us!

The only way to get these bastards, REALLY get them, is to expose the obvious and glaring lies of 9/11, lies that have been COMPLETELY ignored by the msm, alternative press, and Alternet. It has been seven years since 9/11, and Alternet has maintained complete secrecy about what is so obvious: the coverup of 9/11, and the lies about 9/11. The official story is a fairy tale. 9/11 was an inside job.

But Alternet has decided long ago to join the msm and never mention the lies of 9/11. It is, actually, a conspiracy, pure and simple. We don't know why they have done this, but it cannot be because they don't see a story that is important in this. 9/11 was the biggest story of all time. The lies are so very glaring.

We need an "alternative" to the alternative media. I wish Alternet would decide to be that alternative and break their silence about 9/11. Until somebody does, we will continue our ridiculous, horrible wars and occupations, continue the Patriot Act, and allow criminals like Bush/Cheyney to remain heroes.

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» Great site! Posted by: Alan8
Would you like your crow broiled or fried, Mr. Bush?
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 AM   
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"Americans are tired of investigations and scandal, and the best way to get rid of them is to elect a new president who will bring a new administration, who will restore honor and dignity to the White House."

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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As long as Barry refuses to undo Dubya's plans, forget it !
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Mar 4, 2009 11:35 AM   
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There's no point at this point in complaining about Bush's plans. We all know all that already. Now what is Obama doing about them? It is his job to undo Bush's sinister plans.

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» RE: This article isn't about plans. Posted by: peacefullaim1
» Curb your dogma, Beck Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Gotta love them repugs...
Posted by: Crazy H on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM   
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It doesn't take much effort to get a repug talking about "freedom," and how much they fear the government, and how they want a small, unobtrusive government, and how they love democracy and hate totalitarianism and...

...and...

... and then they go and vote for some tinpot dictator like Bush.

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» RE: Gotta love them repugs... Posted by: john mont
A drop of water, a grain of sand...
Posted by: akbirdwm on Mar 4, 2009 12:17 PM   
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I think the Obama Admin is playing a very smart game. They are releasing key information which will allow those who want to pursue prosecution to do so. Obama essentially doesn't have to do much himself. If it is the People's will to do so, and we have the legal tools, investigation and prosecution will go forward. The momentum seems to be building. Should be an interesting summer.

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» RE: A drop of water, a grain of sand... Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» ...a huge dollop of gullibility Posted by: leafsong1
RE: Torture.
Posted by: nha16 on Mar 4, 2009 2:45 PM   
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He may "blab all he knows," but he will also blab all he doesn't know. That's the reason your device, whatever it is, is also worthless.

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RE: Torture.
Posted by: elmer johnson on Mar 5, 2009 12:50 PM   
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TORTURE DOES NOT WORK!! ANYBODY WILL SAY ANYTHING TO GET YOU TO STOP. THEN YOU'VE GOT NOTHING!

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» RE: Torture. Posted by: peacefullaim1
The Enemy Within
Posted by: Jerry on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM   
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The greatest terror threats come from within our country. From the 20th Century lynchings and Klan activity to Timothy McVeigh and Oklahoma City. This country's greatest threat is fascism. Republican ideology is corporate fascism with right wing religion overlay. The Bush Administration brought us to the brink. Beware Limbaugh, Gingrich, Chaney, and the rest of them. Build the movement for justice! Prosecute! Prosecute! Prosecute!

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An Outlaw Presidency
Posted by: jimswanson on Mar 4, 2009 2:46 PM   
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James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations” [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

In abandoning the rule of law, the Bush regime did more damage to America than 1,000 al Qaedas and 1,000 bin Ladens.

If we fail to fully prosecute the wrongdoers, we in effect endorse and share their culpability, and we cause even more damage to our nation, our constitutional democracy, and to both domestic and international law.

This and much more appears in, “The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America,” by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).

See in particular Chapter 12, “An Outlaw Presidency—From Crimes Against Humanity to the Rape of the U.S. Constitution.”

You can download the entire $25.95 book for FREE at www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you perhaps use my book to help restore and build America. Perhaps, if you are so inclined, you will also pass along the good word. I'd appreciate that.

Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nation”
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

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nothing new
Posted by: grkjr on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM   
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Iam not sure i get this late arrival to justice.. there is nothing here that was not known for years.. we watched it in action, in practice.. and pleaded for congress to do its job... so why are they now going to masterbate over this... have the cowards come out of hiding or was it a case where they were not just derelect but supported bush and his trashing of the constitution, the rule of law... oh how the wind blows.

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Mystery????
Posted by: Pegaleg on Mar 4, 2009 3:08 PM   
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There's no mystery. Only a fool would believe the disclaimer. Bradbury was attempting to cover up the mess before George left office by asserting the memos did not reflect the views of the office. Of course they did. The truth is damn ugly and the Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General was trying to hide it. There are many criminals wearing three piece suits who were allowed to walk away when the Bush Administration came to an end. Will the American people ever know the whole truth? To do nothing is to send a message that future administrations can twist and distort the constitution to meet its needs without fear of prosecution after leaving office.

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andyi99
Posted by: andyi99 on Mar 4, 2009 3:14 PM   
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We oughta go get 'em...but we won't. When it gets down to it, no president will ever allow legal action which could diminish a present or future president's assumed war powers. It's sad but true, and we're all diminished by it.

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» That's just what Cheney said. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
sandy
Posted by: robbins-sandra on Mar 4, 2009 3:47 PM   
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The next terrorist attack will be because of the torture of innocents. All over the world these practices have been taking place, some resulting in death. And just like the jews are always saying they will never forget- so too are the victims and their loved ones. I don't fear Iran, Syria, North Korea, or any other country- thanks to our filthy government I fear revenge from those we harmed for no reason. Don't forget the over one milliuon deaths in Iraq, thousands in Afghanistan, and hundreds in Pakistan. They won't ever forget and neither should we. Prosecute so the world knows we CARE!

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Revoke Yoo's tenure
Posted by: Democritus on Mar 4, 2009 3:49 PM   
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All those who think that John Yoo doew not have the brains to teach law should write to the Dean of the Law School at the University of California, Berkeley, and demand that his tenure be revoked.

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» RE: revoke Yoo's tenure Posted by: Koondog
» RE: Yoo's email address at Boalt Hall Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» RE: evoke Yoo's tenure Posted by: Quannah
I have been watching since 2000
Posted by: djnoll on Mar 4, 2009 4:41 PM   
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Over the last 8 years the Bush administration tried to create a dictatorship. They allowed to happen or they created situations that would have given them justification to declare martial law. They even had the paper work in place, but when it all failed because the American people did not riot in the streets, or for that matter react much at all, they were stopped cold. They planned and laid the groundwork for all their evil schemes, but forgot that by dumbing down a population, you also take away their ability to judge your actions and get angry enough to get violent. They created their own failure, and so Bradbury had to write the exoneration memo.

One small problem for them was that Obama's new DOJ got to read these memos. Obama made it very clear that while he was not looking to prosecute members of the former administration, he was also returning the rule of law to this nation. I do not think he is overly concerned about limiting the power of the presidency, but rather about letting a very discrete investigation proceed and building a strong, winnable case against all parties involved. Obama understands that the world is expecting this of us, and that as a nation we must proceed through a process of thorough investigation, making public what will not prejudice a case in the defense's favor, while keeping the most damnable evidence for a trial and successful prosecution.

The American public are beginning to wake up, and for now most of the judges on the Appellate Courts are Bush appointees, so the DOJ is letting Congress take the lead for now, and suspect that shortly, Holder will appoint a special prosecutor and turn over the case for prosecution by the end of the year. Do not forget, the DOJ has to first purge the attorneys who are loyal still to Bush, then build a case, get indictments and arrest all the parties involved. The criminals will not be going anywhere anytime soon, since the rest of the world would arrest them on site. Be patient, I think what you are seeing is some of the most cagey legal work since the days of RICO prosecutions.

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» Prosecute RNC Under RICO Posted by: DrBrian
gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 4, 2009 6:47 PM   
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Will we as citizens ever again receive justice for crimes committed not only against us in particular but against humanity in general. Apparently there are two forms of justice one for populace and one for the privileged class. I for one am not happy with how the can always gets kicked down the road until either the statue of limitations run out or the public attention wanes. I want a special prosecutor now unlike some who want a truth commission which will stroke the public instead of getting anything near to justice for the crimes done. Any of these jerks who want less than real fact finding and real jail time if the crimes warrant it,should not be re-elected to office even if they are chairman.

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The Establishment and their media remain biggest threat
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Mar 4, 2009 7:19 PM   
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None of this would have been possible without the professional spin, support, and cover up by our Big money Establishment (owned and managed) media. Under their intimdation and threat of attack, our media (s)elected politicians have conveniently remained ignorant and confused in their Beltway towers. Senators Leheay, Levin, and Schumer promise to investigate to see if crimes have been committed by granting immunity to these known criminals. It's time to out them all and demand accountability and prosecution

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Cowards and the Constitution
Posted by: wrinklemomma on Mar 4, 2009 7:32 PM   
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Seems that any time somebody hollered 'Boo', Shrub and his despicable minions found a reason to trash the Constitution. Just exactly what threat do average Americans exercising their Constitutional rights pose that requires working out plans to subjugate them militarily? Is it possible that these people had such evil plans in their hearts that they assume the rest of us are as sick as they are. Funny how the only time they act like tough guys is when they have the CIA and the 82nd Airborne on call. Kinda like schoolyard cowards who talk smack when the big brother is standing behind them. LOCK THE BASTARDS UP!!!!!

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One can always hope
Posted by: That_SOB on Mar 4, 2009 9:24 PM   
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In one way I feel lucky that bush didn't declare Marshal Law and install himself a war time president and we would have had to stage a coup or revolution to get the BASTURD out of office.
This guy & co. totally marginalized two branches of our government. Tore up and threw away the 1st and 4th amendments, bushco was above the law then, and we are just beginning to unravel the fortress his rotten to the core lawyers built for 'bush the dicator.' Perhaps the bush ego and greed will find him in a country who will put his corrupt ass in front of the Hague. One can always hope ..

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exeter
Posted by: can't remember on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM   
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After reading half-way through the book "Amoral America", I wonder at the vitriol expressed by many posters here against George Bush II's eight year reign. Of course, I agree with the posters about everything his regime did contrary to the U.S. Constitution, and that he and his gang should be hanged or incarcerated before they escape to their ranch in Peru, however, when compared to the actions of previous U.S. Presidents as outlined in that book, it makes what Bush did seem kind of insignificant, at least from a world view.
I realize we can't rewrite history and maybe we can't rewrite George's multiple anti-people rulings, but there does seem to be a continuity to United States actions over the last number of years that need to be recognized and addressed.

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» Amoral ? Posted by: zipper696
The American society will repeat this debacle.
Posted by: jstuv on Mar 5, 2009 2:02 AM   
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Should the crimes of treason, by the Bush/Chaney Administration, be overlooked, then these crimes of high treason will be repeated in future administrations. The Allies conducted the Nürenberg Trials (in 1945 to 1949) for several reasons:

A) To make aware that these crimes were actually committed,

B) To examine HOW these crimes were able to be committed,

C) Who committed these crimes and

D) To punish the criminals.

Should the guilty not be punished, then, their Criminal Acts would be absolved and could easily be repeated. There would not be any justice.

“The true administration of justice is the firmest pillar of good government.”

Should the Bush/Chaney Administration (alleged) criminals not be prosecuted, not be brought to trial and not found guilty, then, like the Ronald Reagan Republican group, they will be glorified, deified and praised.

With ALL the evidence available: Eyewitnesses, Documents, Dead Bodies, Remnants of Death Camps, Newsreel clips, piles of clothes, piles of shoes, piles of hair, piles of eyeglasses, piles of gold teeth –COLD HARD EVIDENCE-, there are Holocaust Deniers being celebrated, glorified and believed.

So, too, these (alleged) criminals will be praised and glorified for future generations.
We will have not have learned from history –and the American society will repeat this debacle.

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Prosecute to the full extent of the true rule of law.
Posted by: Michel on Mar 5, 2009 2:53 AM   
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I have a feeling that what we are beginning to see is just the tip of a very deep iceberg. It's going to be a long process of painful realizations. It is my hope that as a country with the end of the Bush era we've touched bottom and are rebounding.

It is extremely difficult to come to terms with the fact that for so long this evil existed, and was allowed to exist; more than that there were those that advocated it.

I firmly belive Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Bybee, Bush's entire justice department all need to be held accountable.

Is it worth the expense of a long public trial..YOU BET.

How to keep it from happening again....?

At the moment...an overwhelming sense of sadness and deep disapointment. I think there is a very dark place waiting for all the folks who twisted the laws to create their own version of justice.

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Where is Alternet's village idiot?
Posted by: bitsfick on Mar 5, 2009 3:43 AM   
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2thepoint, where are you?

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» Where? Over here.... Posted by: zipper696
» RE: Where? Over here.... Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Yeah
Posted by: ! on Mar 5, 2009 5:12 AM   
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and all we're gonna do about it is blog.

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» RE: Yeah Posted by: Michel
» RE: Yeah? Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Yeah? Posted by: Michel
» I hope you are right ;o) Posted by: harryf200
How much more HARD evidence is needed?
Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 5, 2009 5:39 AM   
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hell many of US have known for sometime now the Bushies were committing acts of Abuse of power, Treason and War crimes. How much more will have to come out in black & white before the 'sleepwalkers' realize they allowed our country to be taken over by 'Red Coats'. How much more is required so that no one even bothers to think..'this is just Political'. How much more is necessary to defeat the inevitable claims by their co conspirators that this is just a 'Witch hunt'.
It amazed me the self righteous Cheerleaders of "Patriotism" were so ignorant they didn't even notice the 'Patriot Act' was Unconstitutional!That Warrantless wire tapping was Innately Illegal in this country. That handing our Free Market economy and our National Defense over to Logos was Treason? That Torture is What Our country has prosecuted other leaders for, including Saddam!
There is a good portion of this country which are victims of self inflicted Retardation. How much longer much we spoon feed them the Blatant Facts before they will finally get a Clue?

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JT Barrie
Posted by: rimchamp77 on Mar 5, 2009 5:55 AM   
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If BHO were serious he might issue a presidential directive that all members of the Executive branch should be considered as being under oath when making public statements. That way anyone caught making deliberate misstatements or deliberately withholding relevant information so as to mislead the public can be prosecuted for perjury.
Of course that would effectively silence the DEA - since none of their statements are based on the truth. What would happen to our nation's drug laws if the Drug Czar had to tell the public that there were no studies conducted prior to banning any drug and that there are no actual measurable standards for harm and risk available to establish any of these fancy drug tables.

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» RE: JT Barrie Posted by: NathanHail
» RE: JT Barrie Posted by: aussidawg
» Military Propaganda Posted by: leafsong1
Give the Traitors What Justice Demands
Posted by: mpwilliams on Mar 5, 2009 5:57 AM   
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If justice is truly a foundational element of American democracy, George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney and a host of other Bush administration officials will, at the very least, spend some portion of the rest of their natural lives in a federal prison. If allegiance to one's country is defined, first and foremost, by an obligation to protect and defend our constitution, they are all traitors.

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» Not to belabor the obvious... Posted by: zipper696
I went to Boalt Hall Law School where Yoo teaches
Posted by: pbziegler on Mar 5, 2009 6:52 AM   
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I am a Boalt Hall alumnus--I've been writing to the school for years saying they should fire Yoo--he teaches law there. Said i would give $1000 to the school if and when he was fired. Maybe now the school will consider my offer. The man should be in jail, not on the faculty of a great law school.

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NathanHail
Posted by: NathanHail on Mar 5, 2009 6:58 AM   
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People that are saying let the Bush Administration crimes just fade into the darkness are wrong. We need to shine spotlights on this band of well-heeled thugs and put them in jail. They broke laws, undermined our justice system, failed to honor and uphold the Constitution. Plus they have killed thousands and thousands of people around the world. Bush/Cheney clearly were in favor of a police state and this is frightful!

Congress and the courts had the balls to try and convict a large number of political criminals during Nixon's shameful reign. What is different now? The CIA and DOD were allowed to rum rampant. Billions of dollars wasted and stolen. Blackwater subcontracted murders, lying Attorney Generals, Warrantless domestic wiretaps, Predator drones assassinating individuals with million dollar Hellfire missiles, the ruin of thousands of American soldier's lives and families. W gets to retire to his royal lifestyle. He needs to pay for his subversion and chaos. Not even considering the plunder of the US financial system by his country club cronies.
I'd like to sit on the jury that convicts these punk-ass idiots. They have proven to be more dangerous to American freedom than Bin Laden. We all knew it as soon as the Patriot Act was passed. And the police can still F you up without fear of retribution.
Obama repeal this and all of the Bush anti-American policies and executive orders.

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Prosecute & Punish Rice First
Posted by: cashelboylo on Mar 5, 2009 7:04 AM   
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None of this infamous illegal inhuman monstrousness would ever have happened if National Security Adviser Rice had not
1. neglected advice of an imminent threat, characterized it to reporters as a “historical” document and “not threat reporting.”
She made the same claim under oath to 9/11 Commissioners.
Later, Condi still refused to admit what the title stated, that Bin Laden intended to strike the United States.
According to Bob Woodward in "State of Denial," former CIA Director George Tenet told Condoleezza about a possible Al Qaeda
attack on the United States one month before President Bush got the August 6 briefing memo.
2. suggested (according to her at the time) invasion of Iraq
3. then, as Secretary of State, ran a continuous smokescreen for years for these sins, especially torture.
Cashel Boylo

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They all deserve to hang
Posted by: truthteller on Mar 5, 2009 11:15 AM   
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doG, I don't know how many times over the past few years I've stated this position. I now know it's never going to happen by official state action. A people's uprising is the only way they will ever face any kind of justice, preferably the kind where they get fitted for a hemp necktie. Everyone, from Dubya, on down to everyone who signed off on PNAC, deserves to hang from the nearest hardwood, and as was said of those executed for the Lincoln conspiracy, "Let their names be spoken of no more".

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SOMETIMES NO VISIBLE STRATEGY IS THE STRATEGY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 5, 2009 12:37 PM   
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Obama has not called for an official investigation but so many groups and individuals are chipping away at the edges that it will evolve and take on a life of its own. There will be no way around it. Then Obama will step in. But it's not his style to call for an all out battle. He'll let them dig their own hole and then move in. So far they're doing a fine job. ANNA

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Bloodthirsty and yet wimps--just like Himmler and Goebbels
Posted by: frantic1971 on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 PM   
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What gets me about guys like Yoo and Bybee is that they can be so bloodthirsty and macho and yet--as men, they are basically cowards and squemish wimps. I'm sure that--if they themselves ever participated in actual torture (either as victims or perpetrators) they would be gutless bastards.

It is curious how so many of these supposedly gung-ho harsh types display these characteristics. I remember reading in William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", how Himmler once witnessed a demonstration of a mass shooting of Jews. Says Shirer: "he (Himmler) almost fainted when he saw the effects of the first volley. ...then he became hysterical". After the July 20 plot to kill Hitler, when the conspirators were executed it was filmed by orders of Hitler. He showed the film to his entourage, including propaganda minister Goebbels. According to witnesses, Goebbels (whom Shirer described as a "bloodthirsty non-combatant)"kept himself from fainting by covering his eyes".

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Remember ALL of Those Who Supported Bush & Company and STILL Do!
Posted by: Triumph on Mar 6, 2009 12:33 PM   
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People of America and most especially people who search Alternative News for information should know that, it is people like the one mentioned in this passage below, that are PERSONALLY responsible for the deaths of Millions and the current horrors that this government has been and is committing.

The institutions they work for, are also responsible for this EVIL.

Remember his name! This guy should also be put ON TRIAL along with those of his ilk!


Triumph


"Furthermore, Anthony Lane of The New Yorker feels that, "['Watchmen'] harbors ambitions of political satire, and, to be fair, it should meet the needs of any leering nineteen-year-old who believes that America is ruled by the military-industrial complex, and whose deepest fear -- deeper even than that of meeting a woman who requests intelligent conversation -- is that the Warren Commission may have been right all along." That's some serious commentary about a pretty serious superhero movie that absolutely deserves its R-rating."

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State of the Art
Posted by: talkville on Mar 7, 2009 3:09 AM   
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Depending upon one's class position, the USA has, since the founding, always been a police state. Today is no different than in 1789. When pretty words don't suffice, the fist is always in reserve.

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