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Amy Goodman: How Two Former PA Judges Got Millions in Kickbacks to Send Juveniles to Private Prisons

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted February 17, 2009.


The judges even jailed some of the young people over the objections of their probation officers.
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Amy Goodman: An unprecedented case of judicial corruption is unfolding in Pennsylvania. Several hundred families have filed a class-action lawsuit against two former judges who have pleaded guilty to taking bribes in return for placing youths in privately owned jails. Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan are said to have received $2.6 million for ensuring that juvenile suspects were jailed in prisons operated by the companies Pennsylvania Child Care and a sister company, Western Pennsylvania Child Care. Some of the young people were jailed over the objections of their probation officers. An estimated 5,000 juveniles have been sentenced by Ciavarella since the scheme started in 2002.

In addition to the jailing of the youths, the judges also admitted to helping "facilitate" the construction of private jails. The U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Pennsylvania, Martin Carlson, unveiled the charges last month.

Martin Carlson: These payments were made to the judges, it is alleged, in return for discretionary acts by the judges favoring these businesses, acts relating to the construction, expansion, operation of these juvenile facilities and acts relating to the placement of juveniles in these facilities.

Amy Goodman: On Thursday, Judges Ciavarella and Conahan entered guilty pleas on charges of wire fraud and income tax fraud. They're currently free on a $1 million bail bond pending sentencing. Their plea agreements call for jail sentences of more than seven years. No charges have been filed against the private prisons that paid the bribes.

Pennsylvania's Supreme Court has appointed an outside judge to review all the cases tried by Ciavarella and Conahan. But the case has prompted calls for broader reforms of the juvenile justice system in Pennsylvania and nationwide.

We're joined now by two of the thousands of youths jailed by the corrupt judges. On the line with us from Scranton, Pennsylvania, eighteen-year-old Jamie Quinn is with us. She spent more than eleven months in a privately run juvenile prison camp after being sentenced by Judge Mark Ciavarella as a first-time offender. Also on the line in the nearby town of Wilkes-Barre is twenty-two-year-old Kurt Kruger. Another first-time offender, he spent more than four months in a privately run prison--juvenile prison camp after also being sentenced by Judge Ciavarella.

And joining us in a studio in Philadelphia is Bob Schwartz. He is a co-founder and executive director of the Juvenile Law Center, which helped expose the corrupt judges and is now involved in the class-action suit brought on behalf of the jailed youths' families.

We asked PA Child Care, the main private jail company linked to the bribes, to come on the broadcast. We were directed to an attorney who didn't respond to our request.

Bob Schwartz, let's start with you. When did all this begin to be revealed? How did it all happen?

Bob Schwartz: Thanks, Amy, and thanks for having Kurt, Jamie and me on your show.

This has been going on, we believe, in Luzerne County since 2003. It came to Juvenile Law Center's attention a couple of years ago, when we heard from the mother of one of the girls whom we ended up representing, a young woman named Hillary Transue, who was brought into court, found guilty, sent away for an internet parody of an assistant principal at her high school. Her mother found us, and when we were able to bring a habeas corpus petition on Hillary's behalf, she told our attorneys that she wasn't the only one who had been locked up by Judge Ciavarella, that there were lots of other kids in the same situation. That was a couple of years ago.

And we began investigating and found that Luzerne County had half of the waivers of counsel in Pennsylvania of all the cases in which lawyers were waived by young people in juvenile court. Hillary had, unknown to her, signed a paper, her mother had signed a paper, giving up her right to a lawyer. That made the 90-second hearing that she had in front of Judge Ciavarella pretty much of a kangaroo court. So, she was sent away. We investigated and last year, about a year ago, brought a petition before the Pennsylvania Supreme Court asking them to take a look at all of the cases in which kids were tried and adjudicated delinquent and many sent away without a lawyer. We thought that was the problem. That turned out to be the tip of the iceberg. When we filed, it turned out that the FBI began its investigation and found the corruption that you spoke about at the top of this segment.

AG: And just very briefly, Hillary -- explain what she did. A cartoon?

BS: She had done a -- I think a MySpace parody … of an assistant principal, a paragraph or two, with internet humor of an adolescent variety, finishing by saying, "I hope that Mrs. Smith" -- or Jones -- "has a sense of humor." It turned out that the assistant principal didn't, we gather, at least, complained to the police, who filed a harassment petition against Hillary. This is the kind of case, like Kurt's and like Jamie's, that never should have been in court in the first place, let alone get to a trial. Juvenile court is not designed for this kind of adolescent misbehavior. The cases should have been diverted entirely. Instead, Hillary and Kurt and Jamie and thousands of others were used by the court for profit, while many people over many years stood by watching.

AG: I want to go to Jamie Quinn right now. Jamie, welcome to Democracy Now!

Jamie Quinn: Thank you.

AG: It's good to have you with us. Are you speaking to us from your house?

JQ: Yes.

AG: So, you were in jail for almost a year. Where were you imprisoned? What was the name of this juvenile prison camp?

JQ: Well, first, I was told that I was only going to be at PA Child Care for up to three days. I was there for a week and then got sent to a military boot camp called VisionQuest in Quincy Township. It's about an hour and a half away. And I spent most of my time there. And then I got FTA'ed from there and sent back to PA Child Care --

AG: And "FTA'ed" means … ?


JQ: Failure to adjust. And then I got sent back to PA Child Care, was there for about two weeks, because they said they couldn't find a bed for me, and they didn't know where to place me. And then I went to a step-down program. They told me I needed to go there in order to be able to go back into the community. And I went to Wilkes-Barre, a place in Wilkes-Barre which is called Bridgeview.

AG: Now, just step back for a second, Jamie.


JQ: OK.

AG: Tell us why you were convicted.

JQ: Well, I was about fourteen years old, and I got into an argument with one of my friends. And all that happened was just a basic fight. She slapped me in the face, and I did the same thing back. There was no marks, no witnesses, nothing. It was just her word against my word. My only charges were simple assault and harassment. And I didn't even know that charges were pressed against me until I had to go down to the intake and probation and fill out a whole bunch of paperwork.

AG: Wait. So that is what you went to jail for almost a year for?

JQ: Yes.

AG: How old were you?

JQ: I was fourteen, turning fifteen, and my court hearing was December 20th, three days before my birthday.

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AG: We're talking about the case of two judges who have pled guilty to receiving $2.6 million in return for placing youths in privately owned jails. Today, we're speaking with two of those youths. Jamie Quinn just told us her story. We now turn to Kurt Kruger.

Kurt, tell us how you ended up in one of these privately run juvenile prison camps for more than four months. How did you get there?

Kurt Kruger: Well, first off, thank you for having us.

Basically, I was with a girl who was shoplifting DVDs from a Wal-Mart, local Wal-Mart, and we were caught, and I was considered the lookout. And it was basically just stupid kid stuff. The police came to the Wal-Mart and then called our parents. A week after this happened at Wal-Mart, they sent us letters that we were to appear in the probation office for interviews so they could decide court dates. And I then, after that interview, moved out of my father's house because of personal problems. And at some point, a appearance in court did come to my house, a letter did come to my house, but I had no contact with my father, so I had no idea. The only idea I had of anything that was going on was that the girl who I was with, who was actually the one shoplifting, never received a letter of a court appearance or anything, never heard anything else about the case. So I thought that it was done and over with.

I was living with a friend for awhile, and I started going to school in the fall. I was eighteen at the time when I started going to school. I was seventeen when the incident occurred at Wal-Mart. I was in school one day, and I was called up to the probation officer's office in the school, and there was a police officer there waiting for me, and he handcuffed me and led me out of the school and put me in the squad car and drove me up to PA Child Care in Pittston.

Since it was a Friday, I had to wait over the weekend to go in front of Judge Ciavarella, so I spent three days in PA Child Care, thinking the entire time that I screwed up but I was just going to get probation, at the worst. And I was then sentenced in a 90-second hearing. I was sentenced to Camp Adams for a minimum of ninety days. And I was never offered a lawyer, never explained my rights to a lawyer or what benefits it would have. I was just sent away to Camp Adams for at least ninety days, and I spent the better part of four-and-a-half months there.

AG: And tell us about the judge, Mark Ciavarella, who sent you there and your reaction when you heard that he pled guilty.

KK: Shock, I guess. I mean, it was expected that he was going to plead guilty for this last week, but when all of this first started coming up, it was just absolute shock, because I had thought that I had just gotten a raw deal, that, you know, maybe possibly he was in a bad mood that day or something. I had never thought that the scope and the scale of this entire -- of this entire investigation and what has come of it.

AG: How old were you when you went to jail?


KK: I was eighteen at the time.

AG: Jamie, how did going to jail for almost a year, after your fight with your friend -- how did that affect your life?

JQ: It affected me dramatically. I mean, you know, you think it wouldn't, but it really has. I mean, I've lost friends over this. People looked at me different when I came out, thought I was a bad person, because I was gone for so long. My family started splitting up, and in my personal opinion, I think it's because I was away and got locked up and was, I thought, getting, you know, punished for what I had did, which I don't think I should have.

And I was just -- I'm still struggling in school, because the schooling system in facilities like these places are just horrible. Everybody gets put in the same level, and it's just horrible. I'm still struggling. I'm graduating this year. And math is still not my favorite subject. I was like an A-B student before I went, and now I'm just struggling with Bs and Cs.

AG: You began cutting yourself in jail?

JQ: Yes.

AG: Why do you think you started doing that?

JQ: Honestly … I didn't even know what it was until I was sent to VisionQuest. And I was never depressed, I was never put on meds before. I went there, and they just started putting meds on me, and I didn't even know what they were. They said if I didn't take them, I wasn't following my program. So, in my opinion, I think that it was the meds at the time. I mean, I was never medicated in my life nor diagnosed with depression. And that's what I believe happened.

AG: You were sent to the hospital three times --


JQ: Yes.

AG: -- during that almost year?

JQ: Yeah, Chambersburg Hospital.

AG: Bob Schwartz, the plan now, and how much representation do young people have in Pennsylvania?

BS: Well, in most Pennsylvania counties, almost all kids have a lawyer all the time. Pennsylvania law requires all youth to have a lawyer at the time of the first hearing before a detention officer to a judge at every subsequent hearing. Pennsylvania has granted kids, in many ways, more rights to lawyers than many states.

On the other hand, in Luzerne County, that was a right that was largely ignored. Lawyers doing their job would get in the way of this railroad from the bar or the court to Pennsylvania Child Care and other placements that was taking place in Luzerne County at the time. One of the things that we hope that will come out of this is that it will be much harder for any youth to appear before any judge without a lawyer in this state.

Meanwhile, there are several proceedings that are happening at the same time. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has finally agreed to hear the case. They took the case after the U.S. attorney acted at the end of January, and there will now be an examination of all 5,000 or so cases that took place in Luzerne County from 2003 forward. There are also going to be multiple civil rights actions in federal court in Scranton, going after not only the judges but others who conspired with them to hurt kids like Jamie and Kurt. What happened to them should never happen to a child in the United States of America.

AG: And the role of the police in the schools, very briefly, in this, Bob Schwartz?

BS: Well, the police were ordered to make an arrest. You know, it really varies in so many ways. They were obviously told in Kurt's case to bring him to court, because there was a court warrant issued, because he had failed to appear for a hearing that he didn't know about. They might have acted differently, but certainly the probation department and the court should have acted differently. The probation department was intimidated by the judges. They are court employees. And one of the things that the information of the U.S. attorney claims is that Judge Ciavarella and Judge Conahan had probation officers change their recommendations, ordered them to change their recommendations, in order to make sure that they had enough kids to fill slots at these childcare facilities.

AG: And the childcare facilities themselves? They paid the bribes.

BS: They paid, and the federal proceedings will bring to light what their role actually was. Right now, they have not been charged criminally, but they are inevitably a defendant in every civil rights proceeding.

AG: So, we're talking about 5,000 kids like Jamie, like Kurt. How much jail time do these judges face?

BS: They've pled and are expecting to get eighty-seven months in federal prison. That's a little more than seven years, if the judge accepts the plea bargain.

AG: Jamie, how do you feel about that?

JQ: It just makes me really question other authority figures and people that we're supposed to look up to and trust. I mean, Ciavarella has been a judge for a long time, from what I know, and a well-respected one, is what I thought. And obviously not. It just really makes me question and not trust other people. I mean, if someone like Judge Ciavarella could do this, then it makes me believe that anyone can betray the law and -- I don't know.

AG: And Kurt, your final comment?

KK: Well, basically, I just want to say that finally there's some sort of closure, for me, at least, coming from the lawsuits from the Juvenile Law Center. There's at least a little bit of closure for me, and I hope that's the same case for everyone who's involved.

AG: Well, Kurt Kruger and Jamie Quinn, thanks so much for being with us, and Bob Schwartz, as well. I want to turn now to the commentary that alerted us to this story, of Mumia Abu-Jamal. He's been on Pennsylvania's death row for more than twenty-five years.


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WHAT ENTRUSTED MEMBERS OF SOCIETY HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES TO BE COMMON CRIMINALS...WILLING TO DISTROY
Posted by: using on Feb 18, 2009 2:26 PM   
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the lives an opportunities of mere childern..for greed......

well that is proof..that every institution in our society needs re-evaluation and re-structuring. The basic ideas are good althought some might need updating ...but some of the public servants have misused their positions

However, Amy Goodman used hte term "prison industrial complex". Did I miss something or misunderstand...doesn't that term refer to prisoners being used by industry to perform labor?

Were these teens used as labor? or were they used to rob the state of funds to pay for the underage prisoners?

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» The "Prison Industrial Complex" Posted by: disc golf
Gives Hanging Judge A Whole New Meaning...
Posted by: gazooks on Feb 18, 2009 3:32 PM   
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... as in hanging judges.

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Something MUST be Done in This Country About Judicial Corruption
Posted by: ctuck622 on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM   
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Corruption will be the undoing of this country yet. This country, a 200+year "experiment" appears to have "peaked" in the years following WWII. Every decade that has passed since, corruption, greed, and self-serving entitlement on the part of corporations, judges, Clerks of Courts, government agencies, politicians, institutions of higher ed, et al., worsens exponentially. We are drowning in our own filth, and our country is systematically, of its own choosing, choking itself and its citizens unto death, and frankly, I see nothing and no one that will actually and effectively save us.

I am an American and lifelong Floridian, the only state in the union to slap its citizens in the face and spit on the Constitution by passing, in 2004, unconstitutional legislation charging court fees to the indigent, denying them a basic Constitutional right to access courts to redress grievances.

The Constitution is the foundation of our nation, and if states such as Florida are allowed to continually chip away at our foundation, it will undoubtedly crumble unto dust.

Please sign and encourage others to sign this important petition:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/equaljusticeforall

Thank you.

Carol Tucker, MA
Court Reform-NOW
http://www.courtreform.ning.com

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allen
Posted by: pursah on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM   
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It appears that the scale of corrpuption in the USA is boundless. This is the most "religious" country of the major nations. Lot of good that is doing.

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» RE: allen Posted by: Dismas
Judiciary Corruption, Yes, but Also Dept. of Human Services
Posted by: John Nicol on Feb 18, 2009 6:27 PM   
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Few people know that the Department of Human Services also gets money for railroading kids. Funding for DHS is based on the number of children that DHS places in foster care, so DHS has an incentive to railroad kids. Because well-behaved kids are easier to place than delinquents, the good kids are prime targets. Grandparents, who would normally take their grandchildren without DHS intervention, are passed over in favor of strangers because of the funding bonus. This is happening in many States. Even though these DHS are State agencies, the underlying funding and distribution rule are Federal.

Please contact your Congressional representation about this travesty of justice.

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Move over Sarah : = )
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Feb 18, 2009 10:22 PM   
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Amy, I think you have the 2012 Repubican ticket !!!

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» RE: Move over Sarah : = ) Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Exemplary!!
Posted by: talkville on Feb 19, 2009 12:41 AM   
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A small concrete example of what our fascists call: "judicial reform". A nice streamlining of our legal system with private interests and institutions.

"Big wheel keep on turnin',"

"Doors keep on revolving...."

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here in the UK, local authority employees have been known to make money from
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 19, 2009 3:09 AM   
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taking children from their parents and putting them in foster homes. The lawyers play a key role in this as they can openly charge for their "services".

I blame the bankers and the aristocrats who learned about 300 years ago that they could use law for criminal purposes. As criminals they have much to fear and so they keep racheting up their criminal activities to increase the wealth that represents the only kind of security they know.

Why, exactly, does anyone need a mortgage? It's perfectly possible for lawmakers to ensure that everyone, regardless of status, has secure tenancy of their primary home (we had exactly that until 2005). With home security for all, the "need" for criminal activity would be greatly reduced.

We need to wipe the slates clean of indebtedness and restore the constitution.

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And it doesn't matter
Posted by: folkie on Feb 19, 2009 3:43 AM   
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if judges are appointed or elected.

If they're appointed, they are likely to be connected to corrupt government officials serving corrupt business interests.

If they're elected, it will NOT say on their ballot statements if they have been taking or intend to take kickbacks, or if their college roommates, fraternity brothers, or golfing buddies just happen to own private prisons. All the voters will see is a statement citing their credentials, their experience, their lies about respect for the law and serving the public, and that they have a wife, two lovely children, and a dog. In many cases it will also say that they have the endorsement of the local Police or Sheriff's association. Does that give us enough information to make an informed decision? I think not.

Here in San Diego, until recently, we didn't even get ballot statements, just the name of the judge, the court they were asking to be elected to, and whether or not we voted to elect them, yes or no. When I phoned the registrar of voters, they assured me that all the judges on the ballot were deemed eligible by the Bar Association. I guess enough people made a stink that now we get ballot statements for judges, but the information we'd need in order to make informed choices isn't included.

At a minimum, we'd need to know what corporations they own stock in, who their cronies are, and if they're under investigation by the FBI, information that is prohibited to us because it would violate their privacy. Without that information, however, the public is voting blind and can easily and unknowingly elect criminals to positions of power.

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Prison Industrial Complex
Posted by: Jo1028 on Feb 19, 2009 3:47 AM   
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Under the Reagan mythology - that the best govt is small govt - and the myth that private for-profit services are less expensive than public services - so-called privatization - prison services have been contracted out in many states to private for-profit prison companies. And their record of abuse is legion - particularly in Texas. How anyone can believe that a profit-driven company will be less expensive than a non-profit - is beyond drinking the GOP kool-aid. Yet it goes on - why does health care cost more in the US than in any other western country? We're the only country where health care is a FOR-PROFIT service. Always more expensive, by definition. Yet these so-called free market capitalists keeping selling their bill of goods and the dumb GOPers keep buying...Wake up!

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What I don't understand
Posted by: rationalrant on Feb 19, 2009 5:38 AM   
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about this story is, why is nothing being done about the actual culprits in this travesty? I'm referring to the company and its officials that bribed the two judges to hand down bogus sentences for the purpose of increasing company profits. It's great that the judges who accepted bribes for perverting the course of justice are going to spend some time in jail (though that's not enough in my view), but somebody bribed them. And somebody profited from ruining the lives of these kids. Will Pennsylvania Child Care and West Pennsylvania Child Care pay back the money they accepted for these false imprisonment cases? If not, why not? It's certainly the very least they could be expected to do under the circumstances. Are the unnamed persons (there were two of them according to various news accounts) who gave the bribes going to face any charges? Apparently not. But why not, then? I see no purpose whatsoever in jailing the judges, who were apparently small fry in this criminal enterprise, if the main perpetrators are allowed to go free and to keep their ill-gotten gains. What the hell kind of message does that send? It's okay to corrupt judges, but woe to the judge who allows himself to be corrupted? It's okay to make money from falsely imprisoning young people, so long as you let your tools take the rap for you? This is beyond appalling.

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Someone Should Teach These Guys a Lesson
Posted by: zenguy1213 on Feb 19, 2009 6:17 AM   
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Someone should drag these two assholes out in the street and beat the shit out of them. Anyone who would ruin the lives of these young people and their families like this needs to be taught a lesson.

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GOVERNMENT SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 19, 2009 6:54 AM   
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The way to subsidize a jail is to get people thrown in to it. That's so easy these days. The schools cooperate with the law to the point of poor judgement. What's most diturbing about this mess is that the judges in question will be entitled to representation, lengthy trials, and NO jail time. No wonder people don't let their kids out. It's not about getting in with the wrong crowd, it's about keeping the cops away from them. ANNA

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An interesting analysis
Posted by: blyrehs on Feb 19, 2009 7:15 AM   
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about this case discusses that by definition these judges are guilty of CHILD TRAFFICKING!

http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/2200

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Pa police
Posted by: elyusium on Feb 19, 2009 7:55 AM   
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I can tell you from personal experience in New Hope Pa. that the police are unidentified with their role as protector of the citizens that hired them and pay for their salaries. I caught a cop with a measuring tape trying to see if my car was within legal limits of their parking laws. I am talking a quarter or an inch here. They should indeed be curtailed or at best fired, or in compromise, retrained. As I was being taken to the hospital, (phsy): because I was berating the cop for what I know is the lack of intelligence that is needed to get a job as a cop,(a higher IQ gets you dismissed as a candidate) he pulled over, dragged me out of the car and threw me onto the back of the vehicle, banging my head of course, and handcuffed me with my hands in the back instead of the front. His excuse was I was kicking his door with my feet. When asked what hand cuffing me had to do with my feet, the rest of the three cars that escorted me to the psyh ward had no comment. The psyh ward wonders why when I end up there I am so angry! They can kiss of too!

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» RE: Pa police Posted by: DaBear
private prisons
Posted by: paganpat on Feb 19, 2009 8:54 AM   
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If you ran private prisons for youths or adults you would see to it that you kept a good suply feeding your business, which is the war on drugs, actually a war on us ,this is the main one I think.I'm sure you can think of others but they all pale compaired with the so called drug war.My grandkids lives have been ruined by this and grandparents have NO say in Fla!

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The lowest of the low
Posted by: willymack on Feb 19, 2009 10:17 AM   
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Starting with ronnie raygun, then george the first, finally, george the worst, the roaches in our society have been allowed to do THIER worst, and boy, have they ever done that! The rot is widespread, and may prove to be fatal to our nation. Like a gangrenous limb the roaches MUST be amputated to save the rest of the body, no matter how painful and disagreeable the task may be. Letting things get any worse would be national suicide.

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Texas should be investigated as they push thousands
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Feb 19, 2009 10:43 AM   
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of prisoners from state institutions to a single private prison system known as CCA or Corrections Corporation of America. Millions of Texas taxpayers are footing the bill for this private prison, who are located through Texas, Louisana and other states. I have always been very suspicious that kickbacks are going to Texas officials for diverting inmates to CCA which charges more for the same services Texas prisions provide. There should be an investigation into all state government corrption. It's kickbacks from private prisons, along with kickbacks from oil companies, telecommunications and insurance companies. Americans continue to foot the bills and put our money into pockets of many unscrupulous 'officials'.

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Give'em Hell Amy...
Posted by: TJColatrella on Feb 19, 2009 10:56 AM   
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Private Prisons are an abomination...!

They are clearly a violation of our rights as citizens as intended by our Founding Fathers!

As is corporate "personhood.."

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7 Years? You've Got To Be Kidding
Posted by: CharlieO on Feb 19, 2009 11:22 AM   
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I do not understand why these judges were allowed to plead guilty to crimes whose maximum punishment is 7 years. Even if the judges' motivation was purely financial gain, they have destroyed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of lives. If you murder someone in the process of robbing him you are a murderer and should be tried and punished as such. Additionally, there have got to be hundreds of people in the Pennsylvania system who stood by and watched this happen or profitted from it. What will happen to them? Let's have some accountability for this outrageous scam.

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» RE: 7 Years? You've Got To Be Kidding Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Capitalism at its best
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Feb 19, 2009 2:11 PM   
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This is what happens when society allows fundamental elements of social structure to be operated for private profit.

The authority of those we elect is for sale.

This authority has allowed Justice, Health, Military, etc. to be operated for profit.

This profit requires commerce and trade in human misery.

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As they say
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 19, 2009 3:25 PM   
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Behind every rich guy is a crime....

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Please do another story
Posted by: sirwilliam on Feb 19, 2009 3:52 PM   
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When living in Pa 10 years ago; it was rumored that the state's mentally ill were being MEDICATED AND WAREHOUSED inside its prison system. Read carefully Jamie's comments about medications that depressed her to the point of "cutting".

So please follow through and see if these rumors I had heard are true.

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Its called slavery
Posted by: dbaker on Feb 19, 2009 10:11 PM   
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Special attention should be paid to the under say 12 years of age. as ammerican shrinks have determined brainwashing of young boys aged 11 easy meat.

These mass pedophiles ( yes they are )

should be held accountable to far greater extent then suggested so far,

on girl was 8 years old they said.

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most disturbing news story ever
Posted by: drugs on Feb 24, 2009 12:28 AM   
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...and the winner is:

this story. are you kidding me? I heard this on DN and almost fell out of my chair. we've got to burn this whole MF house down and start on over when judges are getting paid to put kids in jail. Also, did anybody catch the story of the 11 year old boy who committed a murder? Heinous crime for sure but are you sure that we should be trying him as an "adult"? Any time I hear that they are trying kids as adults it scares me. More grist for the corporate prison mill.

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A LEGISLATOR GETS A CALL WHEN A BED COMES OPEN IN A RENT-A-PRISON. WHAT DID
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Mar 2, 2009 8:29 PM   
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we expect when we allowed this to happen? They don't make money until people are incarcerated. What do you suppose "Get tough on crime." really means?

Can this be cleaned up? It may be too profitable. The drug business hasn't been cleaned up. Everyone admits quite openly that it is too profitable the way it is. I could not learn what the payment schedule to politicians from the bootleg community was until alcohol was legalized.

I'm sure that it is most likely that we will not learn what the under table payments are for drug dealers, drug wholesalers, drug transporters, or for that matter marijuana growers until the trade is abolished by making it legal. The status quo will remain as long as the churchy evangelicals, the right wing political nuts, and the drug dealers work together. Yes, I said that the religious right and the drug dealers are working together. Politics does make strange bedfellows.

All of the same folks that are holding the crooked drug business together are working in parallel with the rent-a-prison forces or are the same persons. Nothing has changed. Nothing has changed since Diogenes was reported, perhaps apocryphally(?), to have taken a lamp about Athens in broad daylight looking for an honest man. If we had enough honest men the drug business would go like alcohol, legal and regulated, and the rent-a-prison system would disappear.

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