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Facing Foreclosure? Don't Leave. Squat.

In a recent interview, Ohio Rep. Marcy Kaptur told Americans: 'Be squatters in your own homes. Don't you leave.'
February 6, 2009  |  
 
 
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Marcy Kaptur of Ohio is the longest-serving Democratic congresswoman in U.S. history. Her district, stretching along the shore of Lake Erie from west of Cleveland to Toledo, faces an epidemic of home foreclosures and 11.5 percent unemployment. That heartland region, the Rust Belt, had its heart torn out by the North American Free Trade Agreement, with shuttered factories and struggling family farms. Kaptur led the fight in Congress against NAFTA. Now, she is recommending a radical foreclosure solution from the floor of the U.S. Congress: "So I say to the American people, you be squatters in your own homes. Don't you leave."

She criticizes the bailout's failure to protect homeowners facing foreclosure. Her advice to "squat" cleverly exploits a legal technicality within the subprime-mortgage crisis. These mortgages were made, then bundled into securities and sold and resold repeatedly, by the very Wall Street banks that are now benefiting from TARP (the Troubled Asset Relief Program). The banks foreclosing on families very often can't locate the actual loan note that binds the homeowner to the bad loan. "Produce the note," Kaptur recommends those facing foreclosure demands of the banks.

"[P]ossession is nine-tenths of the law," Rep. Kaptur told me. "Therefore, stay in your property. Get proper legal representation … [if] Wall Street cannot produce the deed nor the mortgage audit trail … you should stay in your home. It is your castle. It's more than a piece of property. … Most people don't even think about getting representation, because they get a piece of paper from the bank, and they go, 'Oh, it's the bank,' and they become fearful, rather than saying: 'This is contract law. The mortgage is a contract. I am one party. There is another party. What are my legal rights under the law as a property owner?' "If you look at the bad paper, if you look at where there's trouble, 95 to 98 percent of the paper really has moved to five institutions: JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Wachovia, Citigroup and HSBC. They have this country held by the neck."

Kaptur recommends calling the local Legal Aid Society, Bar Association or 888-995-4673 for legal assistance.

The onerous duty of physically evicting people and dragging their possessions to the curb typically falls on the local sheriff. Kaptur conditions her squatting advice, saying, "If it's a sheriff's eviction, if it's reached that point, that is almost impossible." Unless the sheriff refuses to carry out the eviction, as Sheriff Warren C. Evans of Wayne County, Mich., has decided to do. Wayne County, including Detroit, has had more than 46,000 foreclosures in the past two years.

After reviewing TARP, Evans determined that home foreclosures would conflict with TARP's goal of reducing foreclosures, and that he'd be violating the law by denying foreclosed homeowners the chance at potential federal assistance. "I cannot in clear conscience allow one more family to be put out of their home until I am satisfied they have been afforded every option they are entitled to under the law to avoid foreclosure," he said.

Bruce Marks of the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corp. of America is taking the fight to the homes of the banks' CEOs. Last October, as the TARP bailout was shaping up to benefit Wall Street and not Main Street, NACA blockaded the entrance of mortgage giant Fannie Mae until it got a meeting with executives there. Now NACA is working with Fannie Mae to restructure mortgages. Marks is organizing a nationwide, three-day "Predator's Tour," going to the CEOs' homes to demand meetings with them. He told me: "This is what we're going to do with thousands of homeowners, go to their (the CEOs') home and say: 'I want you to meet my family. I want you to see who you're foreclosing on.' … If they're going to take our homes, we're going to go to their homes, and we're going to tell them, 'No more.' "

Before the inauguration, Larry Summers, the chair of President Obama's National Economic Council, promised congressional Democratic leaders to "implement smart, aggressive policies to reduce the number of preventable foreclosures by helping to reduce mortgage payments for economically stressed but responsible homeowners, while also reforming our bankruptcy laws and strengthening existing housing initiatives."

According to a report by RealtyTrac, "Foreclosure filings were reported on 2.3 million U.S. properties in 2008, an increase of 81 percent from 2007 and up 225 percent from 2006." As the financial crisis deepens, people facing foreclosure should take Kaptur's advice and tell their bankers, "Produce the note."

 


Amy Goodman is the host of the nationally syndicated radio news program, Democracy Now!
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RE: Why Is the Government Hell-Bent on Rewarding Greed, Incompetence and Narcissism?
Posted by: Jayzer on Feb 6, 2009 12:43 AM   
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Indeed: as a matter of fact, the bailouts should have gone directly to mortgage-holders directly. Instead, it goes to banks who might STILL opt to foreclose.

Too bad I haven't heard anyone address how this situation also affects renters: even if someone who has been renting all of his or her life is not intially affected, when the time comes that he or she wants to move on to another house or apartment, the increasing numbers of people whose homes have been foreclosed and have been successfully evicted will make rental housing that much more scarce and as it is, affordable rentals in a LOT of cities (especially NYC, where I live) are very difficult to come by.

This is one aspect of the financial and housing crisis that has yet to be examined by the media for the most part. If no one in the media is talking about it, think of how much longer it will take for anyone at any level of government to do anything about it.

Squatting for many of us may be our only option also, but if recent history (in the Tompkins Square Park neighborhood of lower Manhattan, for example) is any guide, things could get seriously ugly.

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RE: Why Is the Government Hell-Bent on Rewarding Greed, Incompetence and Narcissism?
Posted by: Evelyn on Feb 6, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Are you aware that thousands of renters who have paid their rent every month are being evicted when their landlords default on the mortgage? And are you aware that people who were doing fine with their mortgage were scammed by mortgage companies into re-financing and are now in trouble? And are you aware that even a worthy person such as yourself will lose value in your well-kept home if the worthless no-good greedy incompetents on either side of you go into foreclosure? Screw them all isn't really a viable public policy, no matter what Saint Limbaugh tells you.

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we are witnessing a planned land grab--a replay of the land grab which got 500,000 families
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 6, 2009 3:57 AM   
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evicted from their homes in the UK in the mid-1990s.

The present US land grab was made possible when (1) variable interest rates on mortgages were introduced, (2) mortgage loans were made easier to get and (3) bankruptcy law became biased toward creditors instead of protecting the individual's home.

All three of these ideas made the rich richer in the UK and English lawyers love to export the tricks of their trade to other countries. Whenever there is regime change you'll see the legal fat cats boarding planes.

Law has been used for criminal purposes so the sheriff (like bailiffs, another English legacy) has good grounds for refusing to evict.

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Squat. To hell with being a good person, squat.
Posted by: rickiey on Feb 6, 2009 4:39 AM   
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Ya know, when ya take out a loan, you are making a promise to pay it back. You are also promising that if you can't or don't pay it back, that you'll give them the house.

So, the recommendation of this article, is that you become a liar. Forget being a good person, to hell with right and wrong, its the house that you WANT to live in, just because you haven't paid for it, doesn't mean you shouldn't have it.

SO turn yourself into a common thief, and hope that you can exploit a loophole in bookkeeping to keep that which you didn't pay for, because it is what you WANT.

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To all the ruthless and cruel commenting here
Posted by: kegbot1 on Feb 6, 2009 5:00 AM   
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(honky, rickiey, etc).

You are putting yourself squarely on the side of evil. I have NO compunction in hurting a bank or one of these mortgage companies - they richly deserve it. The average person is not a lawyer and if you've ever tried to read one of these so-called agreements, you'll see they're loaded with so much boiler plate language that even competent attorneys have problems interpreting them.

And when the average person who had been shut out of home ownership for so long in this country is finally offered, perhaps for the only time in their lives, that chance it is no wonder that so many took it.

And when the corporate media bombards people all the time on the benefits, prestige and security in owning their own home, why are we surprised? These people did what the money masters told them to do. People were set up and now they are being knocked down by these same evil entities that you are defending.

I would like you, all of you rugged individualists and defenders of the brave banking class to go and watch an eviction. Go ahead - look into the eyes of the families being thrown out of their homes - thousands of them. And then lecture them how stupid and greedy they were to DARE think they could have a piece of the so-called 'American dream.'

It has nothing to do with being a "good person" unless you only consider the capitalist class "good people." I guess for some they so love their masters that they will defend them at all costs.

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It's a good idea - you might be able to outlast government's ability to function
Posted by: Jasonix on Feb 6, 2009 5:37 AM   
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If Obama isn't able to pull off a miracle with his stimulus package, we might enter a period where government isn't able to function. California and Rhode Island, among other states, are already on the verge of shutting down due to lack of funds. When that happens, state and local governments and their law enforcement agencies will have bigger problems than throwing people out of houses that are just going to sit empty anyway.

It shows how evil our current system is - the average person facing hardship in the U.S. will be much better off if the government fails. To survive when that happens, we need to somehow resurrect local communities and group bonds. That will be the real challenge. We've all grown up in a time when families are scattered across different states and when we only associate with people we like - the only people we deal with involuntarily are our co-workers, whom we hate and get away from the second we punch our time-cards. Now, we have to bond with our neighbors, most of whom we don't even know or have any desire to know. But we have to form allegiances with these people - together we'll grow food in the spaces that used to be our yards, together we'll shoot guns at those who threaten us, etc. In a best case scenario, truly small towns in places like northern New England might be able to come together in their town halls and function on some kind of town-level. I don't have high hopes for any place with a population above 10,000.

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Better! If your neighbor has a better home that you'd like to have...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 6, 2009 5:47 AM   
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...go squat at his or her house, for all the same reasons the author lays out.

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buying into the myth
Posted by: canary131 on Feb 6, 2009 5:51 AM   
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Congress changed the law, creating the speculative real estate market. Previously, you could sell your house ONE time, after age 55, without paying capital gains. Now, you can sell every 2 years, at any age, without paying capital gains. After the dot-com bubble, this is where the "smart" money was to be made.

But, real estate isn't like stocks. All people need a place to sleep, not everyone needs stock. So, regular people got caught up.

I remember reading FOR YEARS about how banks were allowing people to get loans with inadequate documentation. That is a BANK issue. People lie, especially where money is involved. Banks should have known that, but they were too busy raking in the big bucks.

So looking at motivation -- for *most* people (not all) they simply wanted a home to live in and raise their families. For banks -- they wanted MONEY, and allowed the current situation to develop. As between these 2, I choose to side with the PEOPLE rather than the greedy, elite banks.

Why are banks too big to fail, but not people???

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foreclose and come out smelling like a rose!
Posted by: aptdam on Feb 6, 2009 5:55 AM   
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here's the way some people are doing it:

1. buy another house before you file foreclosure on your present home. you will receive a $15,000.00 incentive for doing so. After you foreclose on your present home, you will be be given tax debt relief!

yes, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

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I'm going to uses this same idea to buy a Benz
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Feb 6, 2009 6:39 AM   
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I sure can't pay for one at a college student and I'm talking 7 series

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Sheriff Evans has the right idea!
Posted by: ikonoklast on Feb 6, 2009 7:58 AM   
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Far too often the laws are written and enforced by men who are criminals themselves. The proper response to an unjust law is to ignore it, circumvent it, and eventually overturn it. Then get rid of the bastards who made the law in the first place.

Sheriff Evans is on the right track here and his justification is sound. I'm sure when the time comes for reelection the people of Wayne County will show their support.

Let's start on the real work: making sure laws are written for the benefit of the public and getting rid of legislators who work against our common interest.

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You pathetically poor man.....
Posted by: Prophit on Feb 6, 2009 9:05 AM   
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not getting enough sex at home????? No wonder.....

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Honky the Psychopath. Born under Reagan; brainwashed to love the filthy rich
Posted by: GuitarBill on Feb 6, 2009 11:21 AM   
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Don't let your mind wander, scumbag, because it's much too small to be let out alone.

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Glad I rescued a few good people from making it to your foreclosure hate list.
Posted by: jwverez on Feb 6, 2009 12:53 PM   
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Besides, there are plenty of reasons people enter foreclosure and most of them are not greedy much as you'd like to believe. Sure, this nation has plenty of greedy pigs but most homeowners wanted a life but were pushed into a false dream turned nightmare reality. It's amazing that you'd rather punish victims instead of perpetrators.

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the number one reason for foreclosure in america is not what Rush says.
Posted by: wolfgangmo on Feb 7, 2009 2:52 AM   
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God you are a putz. Well, more of a schmuck actually.

I once worked with an military reserve officer who was another right wing bastard. He was ex-marine and he liked to tell this story about when he was stationed as a guard at camp david in the 90's. He said that most marines hated democrats and President Clinton specifically. They didn't like the "cuts" that happened under President Clinton and one way they "got back" at him was to take Chelsea's teddy bear and wipe it on their asses when they got the chance.

He repeated this story to anyone who had the misfortune to be assigned to work with him and most people would just grit their teeth and ust get through their shift until I was assigned with him. In front of a ton of other officers and other witnesses I told him that he was a disgrace to the marines, and to his country.

He sputtered and demanded that I apologize. I refused and explained that he had disrespected his uniform, disrespected the office of the president and had done so while on duty to protect a little girl. by abusing that little girls teddy bear and that he didn't even have the guts to stand up for what he believed in, but had to pick on a kid.

I told this story because your posts remind me of him.

The number one reason for foreclosure is unexpected medical expenses and not being able to pay a loan from day one. And the shared top reasons for this is either that they didn't have coverage, or that their coverage decided to just not pay. Frankly I have never met a bookie who didn't cover a bet, but insurance companies do it all day, every day.

For a guy in the military, you sure shoot at the wrong target a lot.

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First the Sheriff - Then the Taxman.
Posted by: gar1948 on Feb 6, 2009 8:53 AM   
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If you thinking losing your house in a foreclosure is bad, that is nothing compared to what the taxman will do to you after you and your family are homeless. Here is the way it works now, thanks to laws passed by the Bushites:

Let's say that when you bought your house, the appraisal came in at $100,000. You put 5% ($5,000) down. That means you have to get a $95,000 mortgage on a $100,000 house.

You live there for two years making payments which don't really affect the principle owed much because most of it goes for interest, but lets say it gives you another $500 in equity. So, now, you owe $94,500 on a $100,000 house.

And then, you lose your job or something and can no longer make the payments. Foreclosure proceeding are started. By the time all the fees and accrued interest on the missed payments are charged against your mortgage, it could be well over the initial cost of the house by the time you are finally thrown out. Let's say the final mortgage comes to $102,000.

Now, you are homeless, out of a job, and tax time rolls around. Since you were "forgiven" $102,000 on a house that only appraised at $100,000, you have a "net gain" or income of $2,000 which is taxable! And that is what will be reported to the IRS on a 1099 form by your friendly mortgage company.

The scenario could be much worse depending on the reported value of the house by the mortgage company. Let's say they have the house reappraised, because the market is so depressed, and it only appraises for $75,000. Now, you are being "forgiven" a debt of $102,000 dollars on a house that is only worth $75,000, so you have a "net gain" of $27,000 and every cent of it is taxable as income!

How do I know this? Because I was caught in it two years ago.

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Redefining the "American Dream"
Posted by: agape on Feb 6, 2009 9:55 AM   
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I live in Southern California.Over the last several years, I watched the explosion of speculative development that chewed up canyons, hillsides, and hilltops--all so the masses could have a piece of what is promoted as the American Dream--a Rockefeller mini-mansion plunked on a 7,000 square foot lot. As envisioned and marketed, each home--no smaller than 3,200 square feet and some as large as 6,000--was appointed with the latest must-have amenities: granite countertops, high-end kitchen appliances, sunken champagne bubble tubs, massive showers with multiple spray heads (this in an irrigated desert that has been in the midst of an unprecedented drought), walk-in closets that equaled and in some cases exceeded the size of my childhood bedroom, butlers' pantries, Juliet balconies that presided over massive living rooms, multiple fireplaces, upstairs theater rooms equipped with the latest audio-visual equipment and movie house seating, separate in-law quarters, pools, built-in barbecues, separate family rooms, huge kitchens, everything--big, big, and bigger--including 4 to 6-car garages to house all those "toys" that in themselves consumed or compromised fragile and/or finite resources: fragile desert ecosystems, already polluted waterways, and, of course, gas. Knowing that millionaires did not inhabit such neighborhoods, I wondered who the hell was buying these overblown tract homes that would require a multi-millionaire's income to adequately purchase, furnish, landscape, heat, cool, and maintain. It was not until I looked at the brochures that I realized it was the financial instruments offered by various developers' lending institutions that were enabling upper middle-class WAGE EARNERS to gain entree to a lifestyle that resembled a miniature replica of a grand estate an eager consumer might have seen on "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." Although I admit I enjoyed wandering through these homes, I was also repulsed by the unnecessary consumption they advertised as well as alarmed by their seductive fantasy--a dream inhabited by greedy financial institutions on the one hand and over-eager consumers on the other--consumers who have been told repeatedly by our mass corporate media that you are what buy and that you are nothing unless you can find a way to have it--if only for a year or two at the impossibly low introductory interest rate offered by our unregulated finance industry--now more commonly referred to as swindlers. But the ultimate swindler has been the American Dream itself--in all its incarnations--the latest being the disastrous housing market bubble. For it is this dream that has burdened us with the presumption that success is measured by what you have not by what you are and that the failure to succeed is the individual's fault rather than a systemic one that concentrates vast wealth in the hands of a few while robbing the public trust (i.e. OUR government) of the money it needs to provide the tools and the infrastructure to create a decent life for the rest of us: sustainable housing, an excellent public education system staffed by well compensated and talented teachers, affordable college education, sound roads, dams, and bridges, well preserved national parks, well stocked libraries, locally grown food, beautiful parks, living wage jobs, health care for all--birth until death, adequate vacation leave (many countries have six weeks paid vacation) that can be transferred from one job to another, paid child leave--up to one year for new parents, affordable child care for all, time to engage with your family and community, clean water, clean air, a safe living environment. This is true wealth--not the self-aggrandizing, bloated, narcissistic, soul-annihilating excess we continue to worship in this country to the detriment of ourselves and the communities we inhabit. There are countries that approximate the standard of living I have just described, but none of them is called the United States of America.

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Telling people to squat is easy for someone NOT facing foreclosure to say
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 6, 2009 11:03 AM   
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I'm all for the revolt and the CEO tours but frankly, subjecting little kids to the Ventura County Sheriff (who shows up to foreclosure evictions with SWAT... seen it twice now) and the disruption of being homeless (done it three times in the last three years) is pretty fucking awful.

Amy and The good Rep from Ohio need to fucking live down here at the bottom before they start giving people advice. It's the fault of the rich owning class shitheads at the top. ALL OF IT. Until the police are de-militarized, squatting is a really dangerous thing to do, especially if you ain't lilly white...

1789.

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I'm glad I saved a young man and his family from making it to the hate list of "freeloaders".
Posted by: jwverez on Feb 6, 2009 11:27 AM   
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The man was trying to repair his roof when he slipped and got seriously injured to the point that he had to sit in a wheelchair. His company lied to him about his wheelchair status being the reason he faced a layoff when in fact, the employer was later found out to have been looking for an excuse to outsource to a foreign worker on visa for less. In the meantime, his medical expenses along with his monthly mortage payments were killing him and his family and his wife was working longer hours. As soon as my wife found out that they were closer to facing foreclosure, we jumped in and decided to help him out. After a few months, it just so happened that the visa worker decided to move back so after desperately searching, the company decided to hire him back and even begged him back with extra bonuses to sort of compensate him a little.

At a time when all homeowners facing foreclosure for various reasons are coming under fire and some are mistaken as greedy wannabes, I'm glad that my next door family didn't have to make it to the hate list. After all the trouble they went through to climb up that ladder, the last thing they needed was an unanticipated accident followed by discrimination to shatter their lives.

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Rep Kaptur is woefully mistaken on the law.
Posted by: EncinoM on Feb 6, 2009 1:56 PM   
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"[if] Wall Street cannot produce the deed nor the mortgage audit trail … you should stay in your home"

No, a federal court in Iowa (so this ruling, for now only applies to Iowa), held that a bank that failed to produce an assignment of a Mortgage had no standing to bring a foreclosure action. The assignment is the document by which the original lender asigns its rights to a third party. This is not the same as a mortgage or a deed, both of which, in many states are filed with the county clerks office, and the courts want the a certified copy of the clerk's record. Additionally, the home owner is not free and clear, the note holder can or what ever party can prove it has standing can still commence a foreclosure action.

Like the various tax avoidance websites, Rep. Kapture has taken a small iota of truth and buried it in legal misunderstanding.

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A man who believes in the law ... for everybody.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 6, 2009 2:18 PM   
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Good on you, Sheriff Warren C. Evans!

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The Musicians Of Hawkwind Wrote Masters Of The Universe Living in Squats in Notting Hill
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 6, 2009 2:51 PM   
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But All You Yanks Have Seen

Is "Notting Hill" Staring that Rather Good Looking American Actress - I Forget Her Name

The Real World

Is a company started off by Peter Gabriel

He started off bringing Musicians from all over the World to Play Live in England 27 Years ago

And my wife and I missed the first one at Sheppton Mallet

However we went to the Genesis Re-union at Milton Keynes to pay off all his massive debts

And we have met some Completely Phenomenal Musicians at WOMAD since and have already got our tickets for this year's Festival

Wake Up AMERICA

The World Of Music Arts and Dance

You are Getting Left Behind

Bye

Tony

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abusedbypenguins
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Feb 6, 2009 6:29 PM   
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Anyone take a class in high school about the reality of living? No, you were all taught to be good little sheeple. Get a job, get married, have children and live happily ever after. This is a failure of the educational system. 30 years ago in PA there was a Life course where high school seniors were paired off, mock married given a 5 pound bag of flour as a child and taught how to find a job, rent an apartment and how to care for the "child" by taking turns and never letting it out of their sight. The girls woke up and realized a college education was a must and told the boys not to touch them. The boys woke up and realized the same thing. The education rate went up, the marriage rate went down, the out-of-wedlock child rate went way down and the useless catholic church complained. The class was cancelled. Perhaps 30 years of proper education in the realities of modern life in a technological society would have made a big dent in the present crisis and then again maybe not, but we'll never know.

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Woo Hoo! I LOVE that Lady.
Posted by: weslen1 on Feb 6, 2009 6:53 PM   
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I watched when she made those comments. I agree wholeheartedly! I hope the people in her district know what a TREASURE they have and keep her in congress as long as she's willing to stay.

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RESIST and KEEP YOUR HOME
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Feb 7, 2009 1:57 PM   
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If more folks banded together, and resolved to fight this, things would change. I say resist and keep your home, Squat, if you can. If more folks resisted per this article, they might win their overall fight. Most of these homes are not going to be sold/occupied for months and months if not years behind throwing out the families. Something needs to be worked out, these loans were bad loans and made with greed in mind, and look at the catastrophe it has created.

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Help is here
Posted by: aeonpi on Feb 11, 2009 9:38 PM   
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We understand what the people are going through. We are those people who lost their homes in the first foreclosure (scandal) epidemic years ago. Many of us saw this as a sign to start making the changes that would ensure not only our survival but the sustainable future of our families.

So we step out and off the Corporate Grid and began to do what our ancestors did. You know what we found... we found laws still in effect ( but secretly hidden beyond way to much to read) that allowed us the right to become one with our land, with our selves and with our Higher powers. We found truths hidden in articles that most would have given up on finding. We continued to know end and over again. Until we discovered our pot of gold.

Now that we have ridden the rainbow and risen up from the ashes. We are confident that the solutions we offer are for the highest good. What makes us confident and the difference between us and those in the past. Is, One when you pay your bill, there are no more bills like that. Two, the land becomes a certifiable habitat. Three, We have all peoples health in mind and so we have created packages that include your food (permaculture, horticulture, agriculture-{(*really a thing of the past, in its current state)} and homesteading) We have also consider other things like: emotional, spiritual, physical and mental health. We have professionals ready to donate some time to get our people back on track. Fourth, We are always open to barter, trade and exchange (see green society link on my site). We actually prefer it over the falling dollar. Or any other make shift currency.

Finally, The home you get will be yours, with you in mind (fung shui ahead of time). It will become your sacred space where you leave your worries behind and become centered and balanced. Ready to head out into the challenges of a new day.

We are Renewing America. Solar, Wind, Water powered homes and vehicles. Conversion kits that work and are stood behind. We have addressed issues like water shortage (our Air2Water machine lessens this burden). No one should ever have to suffer in or from nature. So we have Geodesic domes that give added protection against hurricanes, tornado's and some even say provide safety in a fire.

We Live by the Motto: "IN EACH OTHER WE TRUST"

Come See Aeonpi.com

Blessings to you and your Future Well Being

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the human herd is marching once again into...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Feb 28, 2009 12:00 PM   
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...crematories, and no one notices or cares!

what makes people so submissive that they would willingly leave there home for a piece of paper that in itself is worthless?

It boggles my mind that it must come down to squatters rights!

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RE: Why Is the Government Hell-Bent on Rewarding Greed, Incompetence and Narcissism?
Posted by: Jayzer on Feb 6, 2009 12:43 AM   
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Indeed: as a matter of fact, the bailouts should have gone directly to mortgage-holders directly. Instead, it goes to banks who might STILL opt to foreclose.

Too bad I haven't heard anyone address how this situation also affects renters: even if someone who has been renting all of his or her life is not intially affected, when the time comes that he or she wants to move on to another house or apartment, the increasing numbers of people whose homes have been foreclosed and have been successfully evicted will make rental housing that much more scarce and as it is, affordable rentals in a LOT of cities (especially NYC, where I live) are very difficult to come by.

This is one aspect of the financial and housing crisis that has yet to be examined by the media for the most part. If no one in the media is talking about it, think of how much longer it will take for anyone at any level of government to do anything about it.

Squatting for many of us may be our only option also, but if recent history (in the Tompkins Square Park neighborhood of lower Manhattan, for example) is any guide, things could get seriously ugly.

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RE: Why Is the Government Hell-Bent on Rewarding Greed, Incompetence and Narcissism?
Posted by: Evelyn on Feb 6, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Are you aware that thousands of renters who have paid their rent every month are being evicted when their landlords default on the mortgage? And are you aware that people who were doing fine with their mortgage were scammed by mortgage companies into re-financing and are now in trouble? And are you aware that even a worthy person such as yourself will lose value in your well-kept home if the worthless no-good greedy incompetents on either side of you go into foreclosure? Screw them all isn't really a viable public policy, no matter what Saint Limbaugh tells you.

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we are witnessing a planned land grab--a replay of the land grab which got 500,000 families
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 6, 2009 3:57 AM   
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evicted from their homes in the UK in the mid-1990s.

The present US land grab was made possible when (1) variable interest rates on mortgages were introduced, (2) mortgage loans were made easier to get and (3) bankruptcy law became biased toward creditors instead of protecting the individual's home.

All three of these ideas made the rich richer in the UK and English lawyers love to export the tricks of their trade to other countries. Whenever there is regime change you'll see the legal fat cats boarding planes.

Law has been used for criminal purposes so the sheriff (like bailiffs, another English legacy) has good grounds for refusing to evict.

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Squat. To hell with being a good person, squat.
Posted by: rickiey on Feb 6, 2009 4:39 AM   
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Ya know, when ya take out a loan, you are making a promise to pay it back. You are also promising that if you can't or don't pay it back, that you'll give them the house.

So, the recommendation of this article, is that you become a liar. Forget being a good person, to hell with right and wrong, its the house that you WANT to live in, just because you haven't paid for it, doesn't mean you shouldn't have it.

SO turn yourself into a common thief, and hope that you can exploit a loophole in bookkeeping to keep that which you didn't pay for, because it is what you WANT.

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To all the ruthless and cruel commenting here
Posted by: kegbot1 on Feb 6, 2009 5:00 AM   
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(honky, rickiey, etc).

You are putting yourself squarely on the side of evil. I have NO compunction in hurting a bank or one of these mortgage companies - they richly deserve it. The average person is not a lawyer and if you've ever tried to read one of these so-called agreements, you'll see they're loaded with so much boiler plate language that even competent attorneys have problems interpreting them.

And when the average person who had been shut out of home ownership for so long in this country is finally offered, perhaps for the only time in their lives, that chance it is no wonder that so many took it.

And when the corporate media bombards people all the time on the benefits, prestige and security in owning their own home, why are we surprised? These people did what the money masters told them to do. People were set up and now they are being knocked down by these same evil entities that you are defending.

I would like you, all of you rugged individualists and defenders of the brave banking class to go and watch an eviction. Go ahead - look into the eyes of the families being thrown out of their homes - thousands of them. And then lecture them how stupid and greedy they were to DARE think they could have a piece of the so-called 'American dream.'

It has nothing to do with being a "good person" unless you only consider the capitalist class "good people." I guess for some they so love their masters that they will defend them at all costs.

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It's a good idea - you might be able to outlast government's ability to function
Posted by: Jasonix on Feb 6, 2009 5:37 AM   
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If Obama isn't able to pull off a miracle with his stimulus package, we might enter a period where government isn't able to function. California and Rhode Island, among other states, are already on the verge of shutting down due to lack of funds. When that happens, state and local governments and their law enforcement agencies will have bigger problems than throwing people out of houses that are just going to sit empty anyway.

It shows how evil our current system is - the average person facing hardship in the U.S. will be much better off if the government fails. To survive when that happens, we need to somehow resurrect local communities and group bonds. That will be the real challenge. We've all grown up in a time when families are scattered across different states and when we only associate with people we like - the only people we deal with involuntarily are our co-workers, whom we hate and get away from the second we punch our time-cards. Now, we have to bond with our neighbors, most of whom we don't even know or have any desire to know. But we have to form allegiances with these people - together we'll grow food in the spaces that used to be our yards, together we'll shoot guns at those who threaten us, etc. In a best case scenario, truly small towns in places like northern New England might be able to come together in their town halls and function on some kind of town-level. I don't have high hopes for any place with a population above 10,000.

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Better! If your neighbor has a better home that you'd like to have...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 6, 2009 5:47 AM   
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...go squat at his or her house, for all the same reasons the author lays out.

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buying into the myth
Posted by: canary131 on Feb 6, 2009 5:51 AM   
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Congress changed the law, creating the speculative real estate market. Previously, you could sell your house ONE time, after age 55, without paying capital gains. Now, you can sell every 2 years, at any age, without paying capital gains. After the dot-com bubble, this is where the "smart" money was to be made.

But, real estate isn't like stocks. All people need a place to sleep, not everyone needs stock. So, regular people got caught up.

I remember reading FOR YEARS about how banks were allowing people to get loans with inadequate documentation. That is a BANK issue. People lie, especially where money is involved. Banks should have known that, but they were too busy raking in the big bucks.

So looking at motivation -- for *most* people (not all) they simply wanted a home to live in and raise their families. For banks -- they wanted MONEY, and allowed the current situation to develop. As between these 2, I choose to side with the PEOPLE rather than the greedy, elite banks.

Why are banks too big to fail, but not people???

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foreclose and come out smelling like a rose!
Posted by: aptdam on Feb 6, 2009 5:55 AM   
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here's the way some people are doing it:

1. buy another house before you file foreclosure on your present home. you will receive a $15,000.00 incentive for doing so. After you foreclose on your present home, you will be be given tax debt relief!

yes, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

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I'm going to uses this same idea to buy a Benz
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Feb 6, 2009 6:39 AM   
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I sure can't pay for one at a college student and I'm talking 7 series

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Sheriff Evans has the right idea!
Posted by: ikonoklast on Feb 6, 2009 7:58 AM   
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Far too often the laws are written and enforced by men who are criminals themselves. The proper response to an unjust law is to ignore it, circumvent it, and eventually overturn it. Then get rid of the bastards who made the law in the first place.

Sheriff Evans is on the right track here and his justification is sound. I'm sure when the time comes for reelection the people of Wayne County will show their support.

Let's start on the real work: making sure laws are written for the benefit of the public and getting rid of legislators who work against our common interest.

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You pathetically poor man.....
Posted by: Prophit on Feb 6, 2009 9:05 AM   
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not getting enough sex at home????? No wonder.....

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Honky the Psychopath. Born under Reagan; brainwashed to love the filthy rich
Posted by: GuitarBill on Feb 6, 2009 11:21 AM   
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Don't let your mind wander, scumbag, because it's much too small to be let out alone.

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Glad I rescued a few good people from making it to your foreclosure hate list.
Posted by: jwverez on Feb 6, 2009 12:53 PM   
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Besides, there are plenty of reasons people enter foreclosure and most of them are not greedy much as you'd like to believe. Sure, this nation has plenty of greedy pigs but most homeowners wanted a life but were pushed into a false dream turned nightmare reality. It's amazing that you'd rather punish victims instead of perpetrators.

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the number one reason for foreclosure in america is not what Rush says.
Posted by: wolfgangmo on Feb 7, 2009 2:52 AM   
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God you are a putz. Well, more of a schmuck actually.

I once worked with an military reserve officer who was another right wing bastard. He was ex-marine and he liked to tell this story about when he was stationed as a guard at camp david in the 90's. He said that most marines hated democrats and President Clinton specifically. They didn't like the "cuts" that happened under President Clinton and one way they "got back" at him was to take Chelsea's teddy bear and wipe it on their asses when they got the chance.

He repeated this story to anyone who had the misfortune to be assigned to work with him and most people would just grit their teeth and ust get through their shift until I was assigned with him. In front of a ton of other officers and other witnesses I told him that he was a disgrace to the marines, and to his country.

He sputtered and demanded that I apologize. I refused and explained that he had disrespected his uniform, disrespected the office of the president and had done so while on duty to protect a little girl. by abusing that little girls teddy bear and that he didn't even have the guts to stand up for what he believed in, but had to pick on a kid.

I told this story because your posts remind me of him.

The number one reason for foreclosure is unexpected medical expenses and not being able to pay a loan from day one. And the shared top reasons for this is either that they didn't have coverage, or that their coverage decided to just not pay. Frankly I have never met a bookie who didn't cover a bet, but insurance companies do it all day, every day.

For a guy in the military, you sure shoot at the wrong target a lot.

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First the Sheriff - Then the Taxman.
Posted by: gar1948 on Feb 6, 2009 8:53 AM   
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If you thinking losing your house in a foreclosure is bad, that is nothing compared to what the taxman will do to you after you and your family are homeless. Here is the way it works now, thanks to laws passed by the Bushites:

Let's say that when you bought your house, the appraisal came in at $100,000. You put 5% ($5,000) down. That means you have to get a $95,000 mortgage on a $100,000 house.

You live there for two years making payments which don't really affect the principle owed much because most of it goes for interest, but lets say it gives you another $500 in equity. So, now, you owe $94,500 on a $100,000 house.

And then, you lose your job or something and can no longer make the payments. Foreclosure proceeding are started. By the time all the fees and accrued interest on the missed payments are charged against your mortgage, it could be well over the initial cost of the house by the time you are finally thrown out. Let's say the final mortgage comes to $102,000.

Now, you are homeless, out of a job, and tax time rolls around. Since you were "forgiven" $102,000 on a house that only appraised at $100,000, you have a "net gain" or income of $2,000 which is taxable! And that is what will be reported to the IRS on a 1099 form by your friendly mortgage company.

The scenario could be much worse depending on the reported value of the house by the mortgage company. Let's say they have the house reappraised, because the market is so depressed, and it only appraises for $75,000. Now, you are being "forgiven" a debt of $102,000 dollars on a house that is only worth $75,000, so you have a "net gain" of $27,000 and every cent of it is taxable as income!

How do I know this? Because I was caught in it two years ago.

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Redefining the "American Dream"
Posted by: agape on Feb 6, 2009 9:55 AM   
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I live in Southern California.Over the last several years, I watched the explosion of speculative development that chewed up canyons, hillsides, and hilltops--all so the masses could have a piece of what is promoted as the American Dream--a Rockefeller mini-mansion plunked on a 7,000 square foot lot. As envisioned and marketed, each home--no smaller than 3,200 square feet and some as large as 6,000--was appointed with the latest must-have amenities: granite countertops, high-end kitchen appliances, sunken champagne bubble tubs, massive showers with multiple spray heads (this in an irrigated desert that has been in the midst of an unprecedented drought), walk-in closets that equaled and in some cases exceeded the size of my childhood bedroom, butlers' pantries, Juliet balconies that presided over massive living rooms, multiple fireplaces, upstairs theater rooms equipped with the latest audio-visual equipment and movie house seating, separate in-law quarters, pools, built-in barbecues, separate family rooms, huge kitchens, everything--big, big, and bigger--including 4 to 6-car garages to house all those "toys" that in themselves consumed or compromised fragile and/or finite resources: fragile desert ecosystems, already polluted waterways, and, of course, gas. Knowing that millionaires did not inhabit such neighborhoods, I wondered who the hell was buying these overblown tract homes that would require a multi-millionaire's income to adequately purchase, furnish, landscape, heat, cool, and maintain. It was not until I looked at the brochures that I realized it was the financial instruments offered by various developers' lending institutions that were enabling upper middle-class WAGE EARNERS to gain entree to a lifestyle that resembled a miniature replica of a grand estate an eager consumer might have seen on "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." Although I admit I enjoyed wandering through these homes, I was also repulsed by the unnecessary consumption they advertised as well as alarmed by their seductive fantasy--a dream inhabited by greedy financial institutions on the one hand and over-eager consumers on the other--consumers who have been told repeatedly by our mass corporate media that you are what buy and that you are nothing unless you can find a way to have it--if only for a year or two at the impossibly low introductory interest rate offered by our unregulated finance industry--now more commonly referred to as swindlers. But the ultimate swindler has been the American Dream itself--in all its incarnations--the latest being the disastrous housing market bubble. For it is this dream that has burdened us with the presumption that success is measured by what you have not by what you are and that the failure to succeed is the individual's fault rather than a systemic one that concentrates vast wealth in the hands of a few while robbing the public trust (i.e. OUR government) of the money it needs to provide the tools and the infrastructure to create a decent life for the rest of us: sustainable housing, an excellent public education system staffed by well compensated and talented teachers, affordable college education, sound roads, dams, and bridges, well preserved national parks, well stocked libraries, locally grown food, beautiful parks, living wage jobs, health care for all--birth until death, adequate vacation leave (many countries have six weeks paid vacation) that can be transferred from one job to another, paid child leave--up to one year for new parents, affordable child care for all, time to engage with your family and community, clean water, clean air, a safe living environment. This is true wealth--not the self-aggrandizing, bloated, narcissistic, soul-annihilating excess we continue to worship in this country to the detriment of ourselves and the communities we inhabit. There are countries that approximate the standard of living I have just described, but none of them is called the United States of America.

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Telling people to squat is easy for someone NOT facing foreclosure to say
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 6, 2009 11:03 AM   
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I'm all for the revolt and the CEO tours but frankly, subjecting little kids to the Ventura County Sheriff (who shows up to foreclosure evictions with SWAT... seen it twice now) and the disruption of being homeless (done it three times in the last three years) is pretty fucking awful.

Amy and The good Rep from Ohio need to fucking live down here at the bottom before they start giving people advice. It's the fault of the rich owning class shitheads at the top. ALL OF IT. Until the police are de-militarized, squatting is a really dangerous thing to do, especially if you ain't lilly white...

1789.

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I'm glad I saved a young man and his family from making it to the hate list of "freeloaders".
Posted by: jwverez on Feb 6, 2009 11:27 AM   
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The man was trying to repair his roof when he slipped and got seriously injured to the point that he had to sit in a wheelchair. His company lied to him about his wheelchair status being the reason he faced a layoff when in fact, the employer was later found out to have been looking for an excuse to outsource to a foreign worker on visa for less. In the meantime, his medical expenses along with his monthly mortage payments were killing him and his family and his wife was working longer hours. As soon as my wife found out that they were closer to facing foreclosure, we jumped in and decided to help him out. After a few months, it just so happened that the visa worker decided to move back so after desperately searching, the company decided to hire him back and even begged him back with extra bonuses to sort of compensate him a little.

At a time when all homeowners facing foreclosure for various reasons are coming under fire and some are mistaken as greedy wannabes, I'm glad that my next door family didn't have to make it to the hate list. After all the trouble they went through to climb up that ladder, the last thing they needed was an unanticipated accident followed by discrimination to shatter their lives.

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Rep Kaptur is woefully mistaken on the law.
Posted by: EncinoM on Feb 6, 2009 1:56 PM   
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"[if] Wall Street cannot produce the deed nor the mortgage audit trail … you should stay in your home"

No, a federal court in Iowa (so this ruling, for now only applies to Iowa), held that a bank that failed to produce an assignment of a Mortgage had no standing to bring a foreclosure action. The assignment is the document by which the original lender asigns its rights to a third party. This is not the same as a mortgage or a deed, both of which, in many states are filed with the county clerks office, and the courts want the a certified copy of the clerk's record. Additionally, the home owner is not free and clear, the note holder can or what ever party can prove it has standing can still commence a foreclosure action.

Like the various tax avoidance websites, Rep. Kapture has taken a small iota of truth and buried it in legal misunderstanding.

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A man who believes in the law ... for everybody.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 6, 2009 2:18 PM   
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Good on you, Sheriff Warren C. Evans!

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The Musicians Of Hawkwind Wrote Masters Of The Universe Living in Squats in Notting Hill
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 6, 2009 2:51 PM   
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But All You Yanks Have Seen

Is "Notting Hill" Staring that Rather Good Looking American Actress - I Forget Her Name

The Real World

Is a company started off by Peter Gabriel

He started off bringing Musicians from all over the World to Play Live in England 27 Years ago

And my wife and I missed the first one at Sheppton Mallet

However we went to the Genesis Re-union at Milton Keynes to pay off all his massive debts

And we have met some Completely Phenomenal Musicians at WOMAD since and have already got our tickets for this year's Festival

Wake Up AMERICA

The World Of Music Arts and Dance

You are Getting Left Behind

Bye

Tony

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abusedbypenguins
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Feb 6, 2009 6:29 PM   
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Anyone take a class in high school about the reality of living? No, you were all taught to be good little sheeple. Get a job, get married, have children and live happily ever after. This is a failure of the educational system. 30 years ago in PA there was a Life course where high school seniors were paired off, mock married given a 5 pound bag of flour as a child and taught how to find a job, rent an apartment and how to care for the "child" by taking turns and never letting it out of their sight. The girls woke up and realized a college education was a must and told the boys not to touch them. The boys woke up and realized the same thing. The education rate went up, the marriage rate went down, the out-of-wedlock child rate went way down and the useless catholic church complained. The class was cancelled. Perhaps 30 years of proper education in the realities of modern life in a technological society would have made a big dent in the present crisis and then again maybe not, but we'll never know.

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Woo Hoo! I LOVE that Lady.
Posted by: weslen1 on Feb 6, 2009 6:53 PM   
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I watched when she made those comments. I agree wholeheartedly! I hope the people in her district know what a TREASURE they have and keep her in congress as long as she's willing to stay.

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RESIST and KEEP YOUR HOME
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Feb 7, 2009 1:57 PM   
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If more folks banded together, and resolved to fight this, things would change. I say resist and keep your home, Squat, if you can. If more folks resisted per this article, they might win their overall fight. Most of these homes are not going to be sold/occupied for months and months if not years behind throwing out the families. Something needs to be worked out, these loans were bad loans and made with greed in mind, and look at the catastrophe it has created.

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Help is here
Posted by: aeonpi on Feb 11, 2009 9:38 PM   
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We understand what the people are going through. We are those people who lost their homes in the first foreclosure (scandal) epidemic years ago. Many of us saw this as a sign to start making the changes that would ensure not only our survival but the sustainable future of our families.

So we step out and off the Corporate Grid and began to do what our ancestors did. You know what we found... we found laws still in effect ( but secretly hidden beyond way to much to read) that allowed us the right to become one with our land, with our selves and with our Higher powers. We found truths hidden in articles that most would have given up on finding. We continued to know end and over again. Until we discovered our pot of gold.

Now that we have ridden the rainbow and risen up from the ashes. We are confident that the solutions we offer are for the highest good. What makes us confident and the difference between us and those in the past. Is, One when you pay your bill, there are no more bills like that. Two, the land becomes a certifiable habitat. Three, We have all peoples health in mind and so we have created packages that include your food (permaculture, horticulture, agriculture-{(*really a thing of the past, in its current state)} and homesteading) We have also consider other things like: emotional, spiritual, physical and mental health. We have professionals ready to donate some time to get our people back on track. Fourth, We are always open to barter, trade and exchange (see green society link on my site). We actually prefer it over the falling dollar. Or any other make shift currency.

Finally, The home you get will be yours, with you in mind (fung shui ahead of time). It will become your sacred space where you leave your worries behind and become centered and balanced. Ready to head out into the challenges of a new day.

We are Renewing America. Solar, Wind, Water powered homes and vehicles. Conversion kits that work and are stood behind. We have addressed issues like water shortage (our Air2Water machine lessens this burden). No one should ever have to suffer in or from nature. So we have Geodesic domes that give added protection against hurricanes, tornado's and some even say provide safety in a fire.

We Live by the Motto: "IN EACH OTHER WE TRUST"

Come See Aeonpi.com

Blessings to you and your Future Well Being

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the human herd is marching once again into...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Feb 28, 2009 12:00 PM   
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...crematories, and no one notices or cares!

what makes people so submissive that they would willingly leave there home for a piece of paper that in itself is worthless?

It boggles my mind that it must come down to squatters rights!

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