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Top 5 Myths About Closing Guantanamo

Obama has promised to close Guantanamo within a year. So lets debunk some of the most ill-informed myths that might stand in the way.
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On his second day in office, President Obama took a bold step away from the Bush administration and signed an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp within one year while suspending all military tribunals for six months. Obama said that the United States was sending the world a message that the "struggle against violence and terrorism" would be fought "in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals." Each day that Guantanamo remains open is another day that U.S. troops are put in further unnecessary danger. One U.S. military officer wrote in the Washington Post that he "learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo." Obama has taken the first crucial step in shutting down this stain on America's reputation. As the Center for American Progress has outlined, the next steps -- including arranging for trials in federal or military courts, finding homes for detainees who can't return to their native countries, transferring detainees who will stand trial into the United States, and establishing a lawful military detention regime for the small number of remaining detainees -- won't be easy, but they're not impossible. Nevertheless, conservatives are coming up with a number of inaccurate -- and often outright ludicrous -- excuses for why Guantanamo needs to remain open. The Progress Report debunks some of the most ill-informed myths.

MYTH #1 -- GUANTANAMO IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE: Conservatives often try to argue that life at Guantanamo is just fine. Reacting to Obama's executive order, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said that detainees there receive "more comforts than a lot of Americans get." In December, Vice President Cheney argued that Guantanamo "has been very well run." Neither of these claims are true. The Washington Post recently revealed that the top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to prosecute detainees concluded that Mohammed al-Qahtani was tortured by the U.S. military at Guantanamo. The detention center was so poorly run that Obama administration officials are now finding out that Bush officials never kept comprehensive case files on many detainees.

MYTH #2 -- DETAINEES ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO BRING INTO THE UNITED STATES: This myth is the one that conservatives cite most often. Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) has said that transferring Guantanamo detainees to U.S. soil "will endanger American lives." Yesterday on NBC's Meet the Press, Boehner said that it would be "irresponsible" to transfer these "terrorists who have attempted to kill Americans." This morning, Fox and Friends took pictures of various terrorists and went around to Pennsylvania residents and asked them if they wanted these people living in their "backyards." However, U.S. federal prisons are already home to dozens of the most dangerous terrorists the world has ever known. As Salon's Glenn Greenwald has written, "Both before and after 9/11, the U.S. has repeatedly and successfully tried alleged high-level Al Qaeda operatives and other accused Islamic Terrorists in our normal federal courts -- in fact, the record is far more successful than the series of debacles that has taken place in the military commissions system at Guantanamo." In fact, there have been 145 terrorist convictions in federal courts since 9/11. Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter (D) has said that he wouldn't necessarily oppose transferring detainees who are convicted terrorists headed to trial to the state's "Supermax", a role that the prison is already playing and that CAP recommended in its report. Rep. John Murtha (R-PA) has also expressed a willingness to bring some detainees into his district, stating, "I mean, they're no more dangerous in a prison in my district than they are in Guantanamo."


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Let 'em all go
Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 27, 2009 8:07 AM   
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Yes, even the bad guys.

We did not grant them their right to a speedy trial, we've denied them habeas corpus, we've violated nearly every clause of the Geneva convention on the treatment of prisoners and by now virtually all of the evidence is tainted. (assuming they had any real evidence in the first place) Any American judge who wasn't appointed by Gonzales would throw a case like this out on civil rights violations alone.

Let 'em go and pay them enough restitution that they can resume whatever's left of their shattered lives. It would be one, small, step on the road to restoring our battered reputation. We need that far more than we need to bring the bad guys to trial.

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The former regime
Posted by: jack alexander on Jan 27, 2009 11:20 AM   
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Anything the former criminal regime in the White House and their ilk bear no reasonable legitimate ideals, statements and certainly are incongruous and are complete prevaricators. Nothing they say or do has any basis in reality. In other words, they are not sane and are propagandists interested in making war for profit and their sick power trips. The entire base at Gitmo should be closed immediately--it is not American soil and all of our military interests belong only on our soil. We have no business putting our noses in others affairs. We should be protecting only our Nation at home. All of the 700 or so bases abroad should be closed immediately also. It is un-American to jam our interests down others throats and the same goes for torture and blowing up buildings here and then saying somebody else did it.

It is time we started dealing with our own interests at home. We are the laughing stock and enemy of most of the world because of the chimp and his predecessors and we must change this. Yesterday would be just fine....

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Part of the problem
Posted by: Axiom69 on Jan 27, 2009 12:22 PM   
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Part of the problem is what to do with the prisoners. Last I read there are something like 60 that the US want's to release but nobody is willing to take them. Not even their home countries. Gitmo isn't for your average prisoner captured in Iraq or Afghanistan. Those prisoners are kept basically where they are caught. It is for the worst of the worst and obviously nobody wants them. It's like trying to open a new land fill. Everyone agree's there is a need for one but nobody want's it in their back yard.

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Just an Idea.
Posted by: Nodarse on Jan 28, 2009 12:16 AM   
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Let's send them all to Crawford, Texas.

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Ever noticed....?
Posted by: Jayzer on Jan 28, 2009 2:55 AM   
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Ever noticed that when it came to pain-in-the-ass right wingers that we have moved from Bush to BOH-NER (not BAY-NER, as the media sycophants would have it.)?

Having said that and since the topic is the prison at Guantanamo, I would like to add another suggestion. In addition to closing the prison at Guantanamo, how about closing down the whole military base there as well? After all, holding onto it is a violation of Cuban sovereignty.

No matter what you may think of Castro, the last time I checked, his government had never attacked the United States.

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A Crazy Idea
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 28, 2009 7:33 AM   
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Could former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales be appointed special prosecutor to prosecute all of the detainees in a court of law? This would be a low budget prosecution of course, but I understand he needs a job.

I'm not really serious, but I find it an amusing thought that he would have to embarrass himself before various judges as he tries either to present evidence extracted by torture, or to present cases totally lacking in any evidence.

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As Usual, the IS danger involved with These Detainees,
Posted by: madmax427 on Jan 28, 2009 9:02 AM   
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BUT, the danger is NOT to the American People, It IS a danger to the Politicians that allowed this to happen in the first place!

The TRUE danger is the some American People might LEARN more about these "Nationally" declared "Terrorists" and then find out they're quite literally like Us! The SAME reasoning applies to WHY the American People are NOT allowed to SEE the devestation happening in Iraq & Afganistan! IF We SAW it, We could'nt JUSTIFY Our own ACTIONS in allowing it to happen!! Then the War Mongering Asswipes would LOSE all their ilgotten gains!

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Who exactly are these people...
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jan 28, 2009 1:29 PM   
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and what specific crimes are they charged with? Being "involved with 911" just doesn't cut it any more. Being an "el quaeda" cook doesn't cut it either. Give out the details. Who are these people a threat to the Culinary Institute of America?

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Tedgar
Posted by: ohboy on Jan 28, 2009 1:56 PM   
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We must do a great deal to restore the respect we once had. I have been truly embarrassed by our behavior. I mean we (American citizens) allowed this to happen. Let us not blame Bush/Cheney for this disaster. We have failed ourselves and our country.

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Join Witness Against Torture
Posted by: abrown on Jan 28, 2009 2:26 PM   
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In December of 2005, 25 friends walked 60 miles to GTMO from Santiago de Cuba. We called ourselves Witness Against Torture (www.witnesstorture.org) and went to GTMO to vist those in prison and to resist our nation's use of torture. Unlike the Pentagon, we do not see "the world as a battlefield" but more a place where we learn how to be human, how to be friend. Since then, we have held countless vigils, written a book (Witness Against Torture: The Campaign to Close Guantanmo), have done acts of nonviolent cd in the Federal Court Building and the Supreme Court Building. When arrested at the Fed and Supreme Court buildings, we gave the name of one of the GTMO detainees as opposed to our own name. These men would have their day in court! On January 11th 2009, we began a nine day liquid-only fast. Our aim was to align our bodies with those of the men in GTMO, at least 70 of whom are on hunger strike and who are being force-fed through the nose by the military. On 20 January, we began our 100 Days to Close GTMO campaign (www.100dayscampaign.org). Please join us as we work to (1) close GTMO sooner rather than later; (2) free the Uighurs (Chinese Muslims in GTMO even US judges admit have done nothing) now; (3) ensure there is never detention without charge and that those charged are properly tried and judged fairly ; (4) shut down other GTMO-like facilities, such as the 650 man prison in Bagram, etc ... there is much to be done and, in the words of Dr. King, the "time is always ripe to do the right thing!"

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Returning to fight is two-edged sword
Posted by: Scarabus on Jan 28, 2009 2:59 PM   
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If someone who was released from Gitmo was proven to have participated in a subsequent act of terrorism, what might one logically conclude? Remember, that person might very well have participated in a subsequent terrorist act because of the way he was treated at Gitmo. Which means...?

Having illegally and immorally detained and tortured a possibly innocent person we might have pissed him off enough either to return to terror or even to join a terrorist organization for the first time. So, because we behaved foolishly, illegally, and immorally to start with, we must continue behaving that way forever?

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GEORGE BUSH, THE PLANNER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 28, 2009 3:04 PM   
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The time to think about closing Guantanamo was when it was opened. Did he really think the prisoners would spend the rest of their lives there? It was always a temporary arrangement. Strange that we held Japanese in interment camps during WWII and then let them go when the war was over. Ireland and Switzerland have agreed to take some of the prisoners. After 5 years of being treated like animals it's hard to imagine that these men don't need treatment and deprogramming of some kind. Another clean up after George detail. ANNA

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Guantanamo
Posted by: jaimzopusdei on Jan 28, 2009 3:49 PM   
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Cheney and Boehner said it was a good place? Let me just say that regular police officers in the U.S. and Canada can be brutal (which i've witnessed on numerous occasions personally), especially towards minorities. In penitentiaries it's far worse (so i've been told). We're supposed to believe Guantanamo Bay prisoners, who are not only foreign, but also probably don't speak english (which really ticks off the typical english speaker), and are accused of terrorism (which boils the blood of a patriot), are getting treated great?!? Yes i'm assuming a lot here, but they are rather safe assumptions that lead one to come to the conclusion that Abu Ghraib is an indicator of what's going on in Cuba. This is also assuming that the guards are behaving themselves in the heat.

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John Murtha is not a Republican
Posted by: bcoblentz on Jan 28, 2009 7:45 PM   
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Radical Right Republicans
Posted by: dca4usa on Feb 9, 2009 1:05 AM   
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Radical republicans, don't you get it. You were thrown out of the White House, thrown out of the US House, and US Senate, because of your lies. When are you going to stop destroying this country for your political gain?

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Let 'em all go
Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 27, 2009 8:07 AM   
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Yes, even the bad guys.

We did not grant them their right to a speedy trial, we've denied them habeas corpus, we've violated nearly every clause of the Geneva convention on the treatment of prisoners and by now virtually all of the evidence is tainted. (assuming they had any real evidence in the first place) Any American judge who wasn't appointed by Gonzales would throw a case like this out on civil rights violations alone.

Let 'em go and pay them enough restitution that they can resume whatever's left of their shattered lives. It would be one, small, step on the road to restoring our battered reputation. We need that far more than we need to bring the bad guys to trial.

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The former regime
Posted by: jack alexander on Jan 27, 2009 11:20 AM   
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Anything the former criminal regime in the White House and their ilk bear no reasonable legitimate ideals, statements and certainly are incongruous and are complete prevaricators. Nothing they say or do has any basis in reality. In other words, they are not sane and are propagandists interested in making war for profit and their sick power trips. The entire base at Gitmo should be closed immediately--it is not American soil and all of our military interests belong only on our soil. We have no business putting our noses in others affairs. We should be protecting only our Nation at home. All of the 700 or so bases abroad should be closed immediately also. It is un-American to jam our interests down others throats and the same goes for torture and blowing up buildings here and then saying somebody else did it.

It is time we started dealing with our own interests at home. We are the laughing stock and enemy of most of the world because of the chimp and his predecessors and we must change this. Yesterday would be just fine....

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Part of the problem
Posted by: Axiom69 on Jan 27, 2009 12:22 PM   
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Part of the problem is what to do with the prisoners. Last I read there are something like 60 that the US want's to release but nobody is willing to take them. Not even their home countries. Gitmo isn't for your average prisoner captured in Iraq or Afghanistan. Those prisoners are kept basically where they are caught. It is for the worst of the worst and obviously nobody wants them. It's like trying to open a new land fill. Everyone agree's there is a need for one but nobody want's it in their back yard.

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Just an Idea.
Posted by: Nodarse on Jan 28, 2009 12:16 AM   
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Let's send them all to Crawford, Texas.

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Ever noticed....?
Posted by: Jayzer on Jan 28, 2009 2:55 AM   
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Ever noticed that when it came to pain-in-the-ass right wingers that we have moved from Bush to BOH-NER (not BAY-NER, as the media sycophants would have it.)?

Having said that and since the topic is the prison at Guantanamo, I would like to add another suggestion. In addition to closing the prison at Guantanamo, how about closing down the whole military base there as well? After all, holding onto it is a violation of Cuban sovereignty.

No matter what you may think of Castro, the last time I checked, his government had never attacked the United States.

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A Crazy Idea
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 28, 2009 7:33 AM   
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Could former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales be appointed special prosecutor to prosecute all of the detainees in a court of law? This would be a low budget prosecution of course, but I understand he needs a job.

I'm not really serious, but I find it an amusing thought that he would have to embarrass himself before various judges as he tries either to present evidence extracted by torture, or to present cases totally lacking in any evidence.

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As Usual, the IS danger involved with These Detainees,
Posted by: madmax427 on Jan 28, 2009 9:02 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
BUT, the danger is NOT to the American People, It IS a danger to the Politicians that allowed this to happen in the first place!

The TRUE danger is the some American People might LEARN more about these "Nationally" declared "Terrorists" and then find out they're quite literally like Us! The SAME reasoning applies to WHY the American People are NOT allowed to SEE the devestation happening in Iraq & Afganistan! IF We SAW it, We could'nt JUSTIFY Our own ACTIONS in allowing it to happen!! Then the War Mongering Asswipes would LOSE all their ilgotten gains!

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Who exactly are these people...
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jan 28, 2009 1:29 PM   
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and what specific crimes are they charged with? Being "involved with 911" just doesn't cut it any more. Being an "el quaeda" cook doesn't cut it either. Give out the details. Who are these people a threat to the Culinary Institute of America?

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Tedgar
Posted by: ohboy on Jan 28, 2009 1:56 PM   
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We must do a great deal to restore the respect we once had. I have been truly embarrassed by our behavior. I mean we (American citizens) allowed this to happen. Let us not blame Bush/Cheney for this disaster. We have failed ourselves and our country.

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Join Witness Against Torture
Posted by: abrown on Jan 28, 2009 2:26 PM   
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In December of 2005, 25 friends walked 60 miles to GTMO from Santiago de Cuba. We called ourselves Witness Against Torture (www.witnesstorture.org) and went to GTMO to vist those in prison and to resist our nation's use of torture. Unlike the Pentagon, we do not see "the world as a battlefield" but more a place where we learn how to be human, how to be friend. Since then, we have held countless vigils, written a book (Witness Against Torture: The Campaign to Close Guantanmo), have done acts of nonviolent cd in the Federal Court Building and the Supreme Court Building. When arrested at the Fed and Supreme Court buildings, we gave the name of one of the GTMO detainees as opposed to our own name. These men would have their day in court! On January 11th 2009, we began a nine day liquid-only fast. Our aim was to align our bodies with those of the men in GTMO, at least 70 of whom are on hunger strike and who are being force-fed through the nose by the military. On 20 January, we began our 100 Days to Close GTMO campaign (www.100dayscampaign.org). Please join us as we work to (1) close GTMO sooner rather than later; (2) free the Uighurs (Chinese Muslims in GTMO even US judges admit have done nothing) now; (3) ensure there is never detention without charge and that those charged are properly tried and judged fairly ; (4) shut down other GTMO-like facilities, such as the 650 man prison in Bagram, etc ... there is much to be done and, in the words of Dr. King, the "time is always ripe to do the right thing!"

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Returning to fight is two-edged sword
Posted by: Scarabus on Jan 28, 2009 2:59 PM   
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If someone who was released from Gitmo was proven to have participated in a subsequent act of terrorism, what might one logically conclude? Remember, that person might very well have participated in a subsequent terrorist act because of the way he was treated at Gitmo. Which means...?

Having illegally and immorally detained and tortured a possibly innocent person we might have pissed him off enough either to return to terror or even to join a terrorist organization for the first time. So, because we behaved foolishly, illegally, and immorally to start with, we must continue behaving that way forever?

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GEORGE BUSH, THE PLANNER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 28, 2009 3:04 PM   
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The time to think about closing Guantanamo was when it was opened. Did he really think the prisoners would spend the rest of their lives there? It was always a temporary arrangement. Strange that we held Japanese in interment camps during WWII and then let them go when the war was over. Ireland and Switzerland have agreed to take some of the prisoners. After 5 years of being treated like animals it's hard to imagine that these men don't need treatment and deprogramming of some kind. Another clean up after George detail. ANNA

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Guantanamo
Posted by: jaimzopusdei on Jan 28, 2009 3:49 PM   
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Cheney and Boehner said it was a good place? Let me just say that regular police officers in the U.S. and Canada can be brutal (which i've witnessed on numerous occasions personally), especially towards minorities. In penitentiaries it's far worse (so i've been told). We're supposed to believe Guantanamo Bay prisoners, who are not only foreign, but also probably don't speak english (which really ticks off the typical english speaker), and are accused of terrorism (which boils the blood of a patriot), are getting treated great?!? Yes i'm assuming a lot here, but they are rather safe assumptions that lead one to come to the conclusion that Abu Ghraib is an indicator of what's going on in Cuba. This is also assuming that the guards are behaving themselves in the heat.

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John Murtha is not a Republican
Posted by: bcoblentz on Jan 28, 2009 7:45 PM   
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Whoops

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Radical Right Republicans
Posted by: dca4usa on Feb 9, 2009 1:05 AM   
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Radical republicans, don't you get it. You were thrown out of the White House, thrown out of the US House, and US Senate, because of your lies. When are you going to stop destroying this country for your political gain?

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