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Top 5 Myths About Closing Guantanamo
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On his second day in office, President Obama took a bold step away from the Bush administration and signed an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp within one year while suspending all military tribunals for six months. Obama said that the United States was sending the world a message that the "struggle against violence and terrorism" would be fought "in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals." Each day that Guantanamo remains open is another day that U.S. troops are put in further unnecessary danger. One U.S. military officer wrote in the Washington Post that he "learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo." Obama has taken the first crucial step in shutting down this stain on America's reputation. As the Center for American Progress has outlined, the next steps -- including arranging for trials in federal or military courts, finding homes for detainees who can't return to their native countries, transferring detainees who will stand trial into the United States, and establishing a lawful military detention regime for the small number of remaining detainees -- won't be easy, but they're not impossible. Nevertheless, conservatives are coming up with a number of inaccurate -- and often outright ludicrous -- excuses for why Guantanamo needs to remain open. The Progress Report debunks some of the most ill-informed myths.
MYTH #1 -- GUANTANAMO IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE: Conservatives often try to argue that life at Guantanamo is just fine. Reacting to Obama's executive order, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said that detainees there receive "more comforts than a lot of Americans get." In December, Vice President Cheney argued that Guantanamo "has been very well run." Neither of these claims are true. The Washington Post recently revealed that the top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to prosecute detainees concluded that Mohammed al-Qahtani was tortured by the U.S. military at Guantanamo. The detention center was so poorly run that Obama administration officials are now finding out that Bush officials never kept comprehensive case files on many detainees.
MYTH #2 -- DETAINEES ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO BRING INTO THE UNITED STATES: This myth is the one that conservatives cite most often. Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) has said that transferring Guantanamo detainees to U.S. soil "will endanger American lives." Yesterday on NBC's Meet the Press, Boehner said that it would be "irresponsible" to transfer these "terrorists who have attempted to kill Americans." This morning, Fox and Friends took pictures of various terrorists and went around to Pennsylvania residents and asked them if they wanted these people living in their "backyards." However, U.S. federal prisons are already home to dozens of the most dangerous terrorists the world has ever known. As Salon's Glenn Greenwald has written, "Both before and after 9/11, the U.S. has repeatedly and successfully tried alleged high-level Al Qaeda operatives and other accused Islamic Terrorists in our normal federal courts -- in fact, the record is far more successful than the series of debacles that has taken place in the military commissions system at Guantanamo." In fact, there have been 145 terrorist convictions in federal courts since 9/11. Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter (D) has said that he wouldn't necessarily oppose transferring detainees who are convicted terrorists headed to trial to the state's "Supermax", a role that the prison is already playing and that CAP recommended in its report. Rep. John Murtha (R-PA) has also expressed a willingness to bring some detainees into his district, stating, "I mean, they're no more dangerous in a prison in my district than they are in Guantanamo."
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 27, 2009 8:07 AM
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We did not grant them their right to a speedy trial, we've denied them habeas corpus, we've violated nearly every clause of the Geneva convention on the treatment of prisoners and by now virtually all of the evidence is tainted. (assuming they had any real evidence in the first place) Any American judge who wasn't appointed by Gonzales would throw a case like this out on civil rights violations alone.
Let 'em go and pay them enough restitution that they can resume whatever's left of their shattered lives. It would be one, small, step on the road to restoring our battered reputation. We need that far more than we need to bring the bad guys to trial.
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Posted by: jack alexander on Jan 27, 2009 11:20 AM
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It is time we started dealing with our own interests at home. We are the laughing stock and enemy of most of the world because of the chimp and his predecessors and we must change this. Yesterday would be just fine....
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Posted by: Nodarse on Jan 28, 2009 12:16 AM
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Posted by: Jayzer on Jan 28, 2009 2:55 AM
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Having said that and since the topic is the prison at Guantanamo, I would like to add another suggestion. In addition to closing the prison at Guantanamo, how about closing down the whole military base there as well? After all, holding onto it is a violation of Cuban sovereignty.
No matter what you may think of Castro, the last time I checked, his government had never attacked the United States.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 28, 2009 7:33 AM
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I'm not really serious, but I find it an amusing thought that he would have to embarrass himself before various judges as he tries either to present evidence extracted by torture, or to present cases totally lacking in any evidence.
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Posted by: madmax427 on Jan 28, 2009 9:02 AM
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The TRUE danger is the some American People might LEARN more about these "Nationally" declared "Terrorists" and then find out they're quite literally like Us! The SAME reasoning applies to WHY the American People are NOT allowed to SEE the devestation happening in Iraq & Afganistan! IF We SAW it, We could'nt JUSTIFY Our own ACTIONS in allowing it to happen!! Then the War Mongering Asswipes would LOSE all their ilgotten gains!
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Posted by: abrown on Jan 28, 2009 2:26 PM
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Posted by: Scarabus on Jan 28, 2009 2:59 PM
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Having illegally and immorally detained and tortured a possibly innocent person we might have pissed him off enough either to return to terror or even to join a terrorist organization for the first time. So, because we behaved foolishly, illegally, and immorally to start with, we must continue behaving that way forever?
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 27, 2009 8:07 AM
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We did not grant them their right to a speedy trial, we've denied them habeas corpus, we've violated nearly every clause of the Geneva convention on the treatment of prisoners and by now virtually all of the evidence is tainted. (assuming they had any real evidence in the first place) Any American judge who wasn't appointed by Gonzales would throw a case like this out on civil rights violations alone.
Let 'em go and pay them enough restitution that they can resume whatever's left of their shattered lives. It would be one, small, step on the road to restoring our battered reputation. We need that far more than we need to bring the bad guys to trial.
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Posted by: jack alexander on Jan 27, 2009 11:20 AM
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It is time we started dealing with our own interests at home. We are the laughing stock and enemy of most of the world because of the chimp and his predecessors and we must change this. Yesterday would be just fine....
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Posted by: Axiom69 on Jan 27, 2009 12:22 PM
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Posted by: Jayzer on Jan 28, 2009 2:55 AM
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Having said that and since the topic is the prison at Guantanamo, I would like to add another suggestion. In addition to closing the prison at Guantanamo, how about closing down the whole military base there as well? After all, holding onto it is a violation of Cuban sovereignty.
No matter what you may think of Castro, the last time I checked, his government had never attacked the United States.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 28, 2009 7:33 AM
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I'm not really serious, but I find it an amusing thought that he would have to embarrass himself before various judges as he tries either to present evidence extracted by torture, or to present cases totally lacking in any evidence.
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Posted by: madmax427 on Jan 28, 2009 9:02 AM
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The TRUE danger is the some American People might LEARN more about these "Nationally" declared "Terrorists" and then find out they're quite literally like Us! The SAME reasoning applies to WHY the American People are NOT allowed to SEE the devestation happening in Iraq & Afganistan! IF We SAW it, We could'nt JUSTIFY Our own ACTIONS in allowing it to happen!! Then the War Mongering Asswipes would LOSE all their ilgotten gains!
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Posted by: Scarabus on Jan 28, 2009 2:59 PM
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Having illegally and immorally detained and tortured a possibly innocent person we might have pissed him off enough either to return to terror or even to join a terrorist organization for the first time. So, because we behaved foolishly, illegally, and immorally to start with, we must continue behaving that way forever?
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