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Reproductive Justice and Gender

Rethinking Sexism: How Trans Women Challenge Feminism

By Julia Serano, AlterNet. Posted August 5, 2008.


The world's largest annual women-only event excludes trans women, sparking a debate among feminists about sexism and privilege.
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"The grudging admiration felt for the tomboy and the queasiness felt around a sissy boy point to the same thing: the contempt in which women -- or those who play the female role -- are held."

-- Radicalesbians (1970)

In 1991, Nancy Jean Burkholder was expelled from the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival (MWMF), the world's largest annual women-only event, because festival workers suspected that she was a trans woman -- that is, someone who was assigned a male sex at birth but who identifies and lives as female. That incident sparked protests from a burgeoning transgender movement to challenge what eventually came to be known as the festival's "womyn-born-womyn"-only policy, which effectively bars trans women from attending. The protests evolved into Camp Trans, which continues to take place just down the road from MWMF each year, and which has become a focal point for a much broader push for trans-inclusion within feminist and queer communities. Despite more than 15 years of petitioning, and a growing acceptance of trans identities in both mainstream society and within queer, feminist and other progressive circles, the festival still officially maintains its "womyn-born-womyn"-only policy, and countless other lesbian- and queer-woman-focused groups and events continue to harbor dismissive, if not outright disdainful, attitudes toward trans women.

The history of the MWMF trans woman-exclusion debate has been retold countless times -- often in an overly simplistic, cut-and-dry manner. The controversy is usually depicted in one of two ways: either pitting the supposedly out-of-touch, transphobic lesbian-separatists who run the festival against a more politically progressive transgender minority, or portraying transgender activists as bullies who selfishly seek to undermine one of the few remaining vestiges of women-only space with their supposedly masculine bodies and energies. In addition to being obvious caricatures, these sorts of us-versus-them portrayals obscure one of the most important aspects of the story: the fact that there are actually three "sides" to this debate, each driven by a different take on feminism.

Rather than rehash the history or delve into all of the details about the festival and the controversy, I will attempt to describe these three differing feminist perspectives and discuss how they have played out with regard to the issue of trans woman-exclusion at MWMF, as well as in lesbian/queer women's communities more generally.

For those unfamiliar with the subject, I will start by defining some of the trans-specific language that I will be using. Transsexuals are individuals who identify and live as members of the sex other than the one they were assigned at birth. A trans woman is someone who has socially, physically and/or legally transitioned from male to female, and a trans man is someone who has similarly transitioned from female to male. While the medical establishment (and the mainstream media) typically define "transsexual" in terms of the medical procedures that an individual might undergo (for example, hormones and surgeries), many trans people find such definitions to be objectifying (as they place undue focus on body parts rather than the person as a whole) and classist (as not all trans people can afford to physically transition). For these reasons, trans activists favor definitions based on self-identity, that is, whether one identifies and lives as a woman or man. "Transgender" is an umbrella term for all people who defy other people's expectations and assumptions regarding gender, and can be used to refer to transsexuals as well as people who are gender nonconforming in other ways -- for example, cross-dressers, drag performers, feminine men, masculine women, and genderqueers (who do not identify exclusively as either women or men), to name a few. Transgender people who defy gender norms in the male-to-female/feminine direction are said to be on the trans feminine spectrum; those who transgress gender norms in the female-to-male/masculine direction make up the trans masculine spectrum.

Unilateral Sexism and Lesbian-Feminism

MWMF is one of many women-only institutions that grew out of the lesbian-feminist movement during the 1970s and 1980s. A dominant ideology within that movement was the belief that sexism constitutes a unilateral form of oppression -- that is, men are the oppressors, and women the oppressed, end of story. While more liberal or reform-minded feminists of that time period focused primarily on the most obvious examples of sexism (e.g., wage and workplace discrimination, sexual harassment, reproductive rights, etc.), lesbian- (and other radical) feminists extended their critiques of sexism to include many taken-for-granted aspects of gender and sexuality. They argued, for example, that masculinity is inherently dominating and oppressive and that femininity is necessarily associated with objectification and subjugation, and that both forms of gender expression are merely products of socialization rather than natural aspects of people. According to this perspective, a first step toward overturning sexism is for individuals to distance themselves from ways of being that are associated with male domination and female subjugation and instead revert to more natural (and presumably androgynous) forms of gender and sexual expression.


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Julia Serano is a writer, trans activist, and author of Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity (Seal Press, 2007). More information about all of her creative endeavors can be found at her Web site, www.juliaserano.com.

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Glazed...
Posted by: Nebris on Aug 5, 2008 4:01 AM   
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Even though this is a subject I am deeply interested in, the vast amount of Gender Jargon caused my brain to overload about half way through, once again proving - to me, at least - that all these labels create more problems and more separation.

And, no, I do not have a solution for that...

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» The Common Question Posted by: pdxjoe
RE: Trans-women are not Natural women
Posted by: funnyfarm12 on Aug 5, 2008 7:00 AM   
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FYI: I raised a little boy. At no point did he dress like a girl. After he grew up miserable (but without my knowing that) he was able to successfully become the woman physically that he had always known was inside. It is difficult for me now to even refer to 'him'. This is my daughter. The guilt I have suffered was for not recognizing the agony my child was going through.
All the while I was patting myself on the back for raising what appeared to be 'the perfect male' due to the fact that this child was domestic, kind, and sweet natured as well as handsome, athletic and talented both in music, and the kitchen equally.
She was indeed the most natural of women, however, a misstep in nature trapped her inside the body of a male. Now there is a struggle if I ever heard of one.
One small piece of unasked for advise: Open your mind and close your mouth.

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» Just look at these tears! Posted by: planet doomed
» RE: Trans-women are not Natural women Posted by: planet doomed
Bean
Posted by: Bean2939 on Aug 5, 2008 5:52 AM   
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Some good points BUT undermined by the "We are more oppressed than you" argument.

Puhlease!

We old Lesbian feminists knew better than that, and would remind you of the just plain "bull dyke and cunt" bashing that goes on to this very day, the job exclusion, exclusion from birth family rites, and the unending physical and verbal assaults-- no better, no worse, than what others on the transgressive spectrum experience, all of it despicable in equal degree.

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Glazed, take 2
Posted by: hagwind on Aug 5, 2008 6:16 AM   
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What I found when I cut through all the verbiage was considerable distortion and gross oversimplication of feminist history and theorizing of the 1970s and 1980s. Rather than rebut Serano point for point, which would go on for pages and still not address the most important issues, I'll cut to the chase.

A Big Contradiction
Feminism and transgender ideology are uneasy bedfellows at best. Feminism says that women are as capable as men, and that the biological differences between men and women don't justify making women second-class citizens. Feminism says that women come in an almost infinite variety of sizes, shapes, strengths, and abilities. Women have been challenging notions of what "woman" means since (almost) forever, by doing things that supposedly only men could do and occasionally even by passing as men. Under the aegis of the feminist movement, so many women have smashed so many stereotypes that to some extent it's become socially acceptable.

Transgender ideology in essence says that men are men, and women are women, and that if you're born in a male body you have to live like someone in a male body is supposed to live, and if you're born in a female body you have to live like someone in a female body is supposed to live. Biology, in other words, is destiny, and the only way to change your destiny is to change your body. This is a huge kick in the face to every woman and every man who has struggled to expand what being a woman means and what being a man means in this society. It's an especially big kick to lesbians, and to every woman who's ever been accused of being a lesbian for stepping out of line.

Liberalism Has Its Limits
In a perfect society, everyone would be welcome everywhere they had a hankering to go. We don't live in a perfect society. We live in a society with built-in inequalities and oppressions. If we're not happy with the status quo, we have to organize to change it, or at least to get ourselves a seat at the table. When we organize, we are under no obligation to include everyone in our organization. Why is this so hard to understand? John L. Lewis didn't invite mine owners to help organize the UMW. Nat Turner and John Brown didn't invite slave owners to help plan their insurrections. If you're a white person who supports equal rights for people of color, or a man who supports equal rights for women, sometimes the most supportive thing you can do is to stop banging on the door.

When transgender activists demand entry to women-only spaces like the Michigan Women's Music Festival, they're forcing their definitions and priorities on other festival-goers. They are, in other words, acting the way privileged people usually act: "Our rights trump yours, no contest, get out of the way."

Binary-Shattering? Gimme a Break

The transgender movement doesn't shatter binaries; it puts them on a pedestal and worships them. In part, the transgender movement is part of the anti-feminist backlash -- a reaffirmation of "traditional" gender roles. It's also a sign that the feminist movement hasn't gone far enough. In a non-sexist world the phrases "a man in a woman's body" or "a woman in a man's body" will make no sense.

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» On That Note Posted by: pdxjoe
» RE: Glazed, take 2 Posted by: coatsfh
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» In Other Words Posted by: pdxjoe
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» RE: Glazed, take 2 Posted by: klm68
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» RE: Glazed, take 2 Posted by: planet doomed
» transgender != transsexual Posted by: AlexTM
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» RE: Glazed, take 2 Posted by: klm68
Repeated distortions becoming 'fact'
Posted by: GraceF on Aug 5, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Hi

I'm posting from the UK so cant comment on the specific events etc., referred to.

However, I am getting increasingly fed up with the misrepresentation of not only what is now called 2nd wave feminism (but used to be called women's liberation) and the basis on which women only events are important.

2nd wave feminism certainly did struggle with its own racism, ageism and so on, and the idea that it wasn't until 3rd wavers came along that anyone who was a feminist linked the oppression of women to the oppression of BME (sorry this is a UK bit of jargon standing for Black and Minority Ethnic) and working class communities etc is just revisionist rubbish. (Anyone who has been reading about the ongoing struggle of Southall Black Sisters to survive as a group based in '2nd wave feminism' will know this.)

Consciousness raising groups which were the foundation of women's liberation where based on what women had in common despite their race, class, sexuality or dis/abillity. ie the discrimination and oppression we suffered because we were born and raised female in a male dominated world.

What some of us thought the future might be would be a world where women who were more 'masculine' in interests and behaviour would be allowed to be that, and similarly men who were more 'feminine' would be allowed to be that, whether through dress, profession, etc., etc..

No one thought the solution would be a surgical one, particularly as this solution is the one fostered and perfected by reactionary and facist societies, namely white South Africa, Eastern Germany and some of the Southern States of America.

The surgical solution is the ultimate expression of a rigid hierarchial view of the world, where people have to 'fit in'. Women's Liberation and the other liberation movements of the 70s (eg Black Liberation which inspired and influenced the structure of Women's Liberation) was about breaking down hierarchies.

Unfortunately 3rd wave feminists seemed to have been brainwashed into even more rigid gender roles than some might say the 50s were. ie if you are not woman enough as a women you can be surgically 'cured' by breast implants, vagina repairs, etc., etc..

Whatever oppression men or women felt growing up because they felt they did not conform to the gender norms of the society they were born into, are not the same as a shared experience of being oppressed as a women or girl.

The ultimate sympton of how the surgical solution of transgenderism is ultimately male, is that of course they expect women to make way for their needs. Isn't it always the way that when women manage to create a space of their own, they are told they are in the wrong and shouldn't have it.

The argument for transgenderism is as riduclous as to believe that if you had been born white and then through some medical procedure appeared to be Black that you would share the experience of people who have been born and grown up black in a white racist society.

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Once again us vs. them......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 5, 2008 6:59 AM   
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The article attempts to explain some points, but yet again this is an us "real women" vs. them "transgender" women. In this day when women (period) are still oppressed and subjugated, when there are sooooo many issues that we need to face not only as a society but as members of the world community.

What really needs to happen is: (1) we need to stop labeling "other", a label insists that we conform instead of just being the contributing individuals we are meant to be. (2) come together to tackle the real ISSUES that we can coalesce around. (3)For those of that want to quote scripture wrap your mind around this one: when the woman was brought before Jesus because they wanted to stone her - he said "whomever amongst you is without sin, cast that first stone". Maybe that's something we all need to think about!

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As a woman, my gripe with the "Trans" community...
Posted by: redceres on Aug 5, 2008 7:54 AM   
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...is not about who is oppressed more than whom. I am painfully aware that issues of gender and sexuality--and that anyone who chooses to "buck the system"--lead to real oppression.

However, I find it insulting that so many born men who transition to women choose to promote some of the worst stereotypes that are forced on women in the way they articulate their femininity. How many "women" dressed in MArilyn Monroe getup and sleezy lingerie do we need? How many people forcing their voices unnaturally high and yammering about shoes do we need? How do these parodies of the feminine HELP feminists?

To my mind, these folks serve to attack women just as surely as the frat boys who like to dress us as and mock women in initiation pranks.

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» As A Woman, My Gripe With This Argument... Posted by: Nichole Weberring
» Okay, let's have at it, then. Posted by: redceres
» Thanks for your honesty. Posted by: redceres
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» No worries, no regrets Posted by: redceres
» And your suggestion. . . Posted by: redceres
» Nope, but I DO know. . . Posted by: redceres
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» WHAT? Posted by: droscify
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wow
Posted by: droscify on Aug 5, 2008 8:26 AM   
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I was unaware there was so much discrimination in the feminist movement against the transgender lifestyle. I really don't think that keeping transgendered folks out of these events is conducive to building a more equitable society, which i thought was the point of feminism, not just airing grievances about the unjustness of it all. fuck

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» There isn't discrimination Posted by: jbitch
» Actually, i think there is. Posted by: droscify
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» Yea... Posted by: MartianBachelor
Missing the point....
Posted by: premarachel on Aug 5, 2008 8:31 AM   
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To those of you who cling to the notion that it is our birth bodies that identify us.......You are wrong! As a woman who experienced the horrors of boys boarding schools and a life growing up in body that was entirely alien to me, I can certainly tell you that it is not our bodies that direct us, but our minds. Is the deformed body of a newborn child the sum of him/her? Of course not? It's the mind, silly! I was surgically corrected the best that modern medicine could provide, many years ago.
Certainly at six feet, I am an unusual woman. But I am now both physically and mentally a woman, and that is all that matters to me. Certainly I face all the issues every woman faces, perhaps more. I don't know. I am well loved in my wide community and live as normally as any woman. The point for me is that our lives are what we make. We may not love peoples words or actions but we still need to love and accept people. There is far too much talk generated by ignorance and prejudice that is not helpful one way or another. It would be far better for all of us to open our minds to the infinite possibilities in life and recognize that at far as this subject is concerned that our bodies do not define us, we do not not all fit into a simple as XY or XX, as we should, in todays more educated world, well know. Things happen prior to birth and XY or XX can become XXY or XYY. So most of the conversations we have about whose view is right or wrong are already wrong before they start.
Accept, be in awe of, and inspired by the diversity of life and rise up to meet your own challenges rather that criticize others.

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Thank you for your sanity
Posted by: droscify on Aug 5, 2008 8:45 AM   
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thats all. this discussion definitely needed your viewpoint

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An Irish Man Wants To Be A Somalian Woman
Posted by: pdxjoe on Aug 5, 2008 10:27 AM   
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I wonder if there are any examples of individuals identifying with the gender of cultures not their own (an Irish man wanting to be a Somalian woman, for example)? I can't find anyway. If there aren't, in what sense does one feel (which sounds implicitly biological) an imperative to be of the opposite gender as opposed to simply choosing to live their life in a way that is comfortable for them and non-harmful of others?

The thing is, on the one hand the transgendered person will affirm that biology does not underpin gender, while at the same time appealing to feelings or intuitions about how they are comfortable with their conventional gender. On the other hand, if there were no natural structure to gender in the first place (i.e. "being born a man"), why the gender to which one defers should be marked by a certain sense of biological inevitability (i.e. being born a woman in a man's body) makes little sense.

From the feminist writing I've read over the years, gender as such is a patriarchal concept/structure. I think the problem for many feminists is not that transgender women fail to critique (patriarchal) femininity, sneakily implying that feminists with a problem with transgendered women are themselves misogynists, but that they fail to critique gender itself.

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Hitting trans males is not the solution
Posted by: AlexTM on Aug 5, 2008 11:05 AM   
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You know, I read that article with great interest, and I really understood and agreed with it -- until the author started to hit on trans males. Wow!

Trans males have been pretty much invisible for decades, only being recognised as more than an odd footnote to trans females in the last few years. We (yes, I am a trans man) have not only suffered from invisibility, we also suffered from standards and procedures for transitioning explicitly set for trans females. We had to put up with trans females being annoyed when we even mentioned that we exist, too. We have been ignored by both our trans female sisters and about every cis writer out there, whether writing from a medical point of view or a sociological or a journalistic one. And now that we have finally achieved some visibility, what do we get? A whack over the head by -- our trans sisters. Wow! Thank you very much!

We are pretty much accused of having taken over the trans movement. Sorry, BS. Like every activist, we work where somebody has to work. I doubt there are many places where trans females are kept out intentionally. That would be slightly different from the situation for decades, where trans men were at best cute little pets for the trans female dominated movement, kept around as long as they were not to insistent that trans male matters were taken into account, too.

We are also accused of still having connetions to our lesbian/feminist past. There are a few things wrong with that accusation from the beginning:
- Not all of us have such a past. A very large number of trans males is gay, and never much hung around lesbian/feminist crowds. (Yours truly, for example.) Another even larger group sees themselfes as strikly straight, and no matter where they used to hang around, they would not be caught dead in lesbian/feminist circles after transitioning. (Actually, most never hung out there before, either.)
- And what's wrong with not severing all connections to the past? Just because many of those trans females who used to hang around in gay circles would not want to be caught dead there after transitioning, why exactly should we have to emulate this behaviour? Why should we forget all our friends and all of our values? No matter how male you look, you are still what you have been, and I really don't see what's wrong with sticking to feminist values and enjoying the company of like-minded individuals.

There also seems to be a lot of envy that those trans males are admitted to the MWMF. While I utterly agree that their exclusion policy for trans females sucks royaly, I sincerely doubt that hitting trans males is the solution to this problem. You should bring that fight where it belongs, that is, to those who support this exclusion policy, and not fight your own brothers, who most likely disagree with it, just as you do.

And we are accused of having "male privilege". Well, we don't have all that much of it, either, no matter how we look. I used to get stared at when I went into a computer shop and knew what I wanted to buy. Now the same happens to me at arts and crafst stores. The privilege is exactly where? Or the Old Boys Network? Works only if you have been "one of the boys" from the beginning, which very very few of us were. No privilege there. Safety on the streets? Differnt sort of trouble, but not less or more. No more guys looking for "company", but now guys looking for a quarrel. What an improvement.
There is nearly nothing I can do as a man that I could not have done as a woman (with the obvious exception being personal relations), and there are many things I was much easier able to do as a woman. The only thing that I could not was being me, which is why I transitioned. But male privilege? Still waiting to find out what that is supposed to be, even after more than 10 years with a beard.

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» Well said, Alex. Posted by: redceres
» What redceres said Posted by: hagwind
» RE: What redceres said Posted by: AlexTM
trans women welcome!
Posted by: schnak on Aug 5, 2008 1:06 PM   
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Trans women should absolutely be welcomed in feminism and women spaces. They go through some of the same horrible experiences that so many other women go through just because they are women. I feel just as connected to trans women as I do other women who are struggling to be free from gender discrimination and hate. You are welcome.

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sorry if i missed the point
Posted by: droscify on Aug 5, 2008 1:09 PM   
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I always thought the purpose of movements such as this were to strive for equity. i guess i was wrong. fuck you too by the way

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» RE: BS Posted by: MorganBlue
Wow!
Posted by: Cyberspice on Aug 5, 2008 2:24 PM   
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What a lot of stereotyping is going on in these comments.

Yes some trans-women are charactures of women. But some women are charactures of women. If you see a woman completely inappropriately dressed in the street you may comment but you would never question her gender. Why is it that when its a trans-woman its immediately questioned?

We can take off our hair and our makeup and be men? Er, not me, I generally never wear make up. As for my hair its generally been at least shoulder length since my teens. I would never pass as a guy even with a crew cut. My arse and hips are too big, I have naturally large breasts. My housemate has a mohawk and doesn't pass as male. I can't remember the last time I wore heels. As a software engineer my work attire comprises t-shirt, jeans and sneakers.

I transitioned at University and built my career of the last 13 years as a woman. No one I work with knows or guesses so I still get all the same problems with misogyny. Yes I agree that society in general is geared towards the white male but the entire time society was bombarding me with this 'priviledge' my inner soul was fighting against it. I was an outsider, beaten up for being different, an object of derision from males and females a like.

I have never been a cis-woman so I do not know what it is like to have been born and brought up a girl. However many of you have never been trans so you equally do not know what its really like to be me. Show me some respect in the way I would show you respect.

I am a member of many women's groups and I identify as lesbian but if someone doesn't want me there, personally I don't want to be there. Its not worth my time and effort to fight for rights with a minority than be a member of the great majority. I will stick to the feminist groups that are happy to have me as a member...

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» I agree. Posted by: droscify
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Let me get this straight...or queer...or bi
Posted by: libgal on Aug 5, 2008 4:14 PM   
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Gender exists and in some way defines us, so we can have a wymmin's festival to celebrate that thing that makes us us and not men. That seems self-evidence and in no need of defense.

However, we also like to say that gender doesn't really exist except as a limiting concept, so it makes no sense to say that someone was born in the "wrong" body.

We hate that patriarchy makes us dress up in stupid costumes in order to gain approval in the world they dominate. Women who thwart this by dressing as men are heroic. Men who want to wear these costumes themselves are cartoonish and mock us. Plus they are obviously insane because no in his right mind would choose to wear pantyhose. That's the thing that I don't get.

So we conclude that men who want to be more like women are to be rejected and women who want to be more like men should be embraced?

Huh? Hold the press. Wanting to be more like a women = bad? Wanting to be more like a man = good? We've somehow out-logicked ourselves here. Do we really believe that transwomen are only after the outer trappings? Or do we understand that those trappings are meant to be symbolic of something else? Do we dare articulate that something else lest it immediately be labeled inferior, smaller, weaker, more maternal, or godforbid, painted Disney pink? Ugh.

All women (bio or trans) have to figure out their own relationship to the male definition of feminine. They can revel in it, reject it, or operate with indifference to it. Or some combinations thereof. Lesbians may be able cut through that gordian knot quickly since they are not trying to have sex with men (by definition, anyway). Those who do try to have sex with men, may find it trickier to navigate. Maybe one day we'll feel safe and secure enough to articulate a female-defined feminine that underlies any kind of trapping. But don't look at me. I mean I can't even say for sure why I shave my legs--from the knees down, people! Do I like the way it looks, or is that just programming? Would stopping now just be reactive? I give up. It's just not worth the mental energy. Besides, I skip a lot of days.

Men and transmen also have to struggle with the definitions of masculine as defined by everyone. But that's an entirely different problem.

Anyway, I remember being out one night in San Fran and being taken completely aback by how beautiful the drag queens were (or should I say drag princesses because they were so young)? I remember thinking, with a mix of admiration, hopelessness, and envy, that they are better women that I could ever be. And then I realized, of course they are. They belong to the group that made up the construct! Seeing the construct apart from my womanhood was a huge insight. (OK, I was 25). If you want to call that mocking us, fine. But it can be instructional, like satire.

In the end, freedom means the right to act in a way that some people think is incredibly stupid and distasteful. I believe that transwomen are not just playing dress up. Their intention is something deeper. Plenty of straight men prance around in our undies. Especially if they're English! And somehow this does not affect their gender identity.

So why not let the hootchie mommas (born and made) play with the gals in sensible shoes? Especially the transwomen who channel Marilyn. After all, they have gone to a lot more trouble to be like us than we ever did. Is it so hard to take the compliment?

As for me, I think I'm a gay man trapped in a lesbian's body. And my husband is lesbian trapped in an English man's body. We passed so well, they gave us a marriage certificate.

I say that in fun, of course. But I don't mean to offend. I just think that we are all trying to figure these things out, and meanwhile, let's not give these labels the power to hurt and divide us. The haters take this dead serious.

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respect, please, and please don't assume
Posted by: klm68 on Aug 5, 2008 5:58 PM   
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a lot of the evil in this world stems from assuming we know and understand more about other people than we do, and reacting to our mental construction of them, rather than really listening.

i'm a transwoman. i think most people can agree that living as a man or as a woman in this society is a different experience. i don't claim to "feel like a woman", i only know that the social identity "woman" suits me a lot better than "man" did.

it's arrogant for people to tell me that instead of transitioning, i should just fight to change society, as if i don't already do that, and as if they somehow have a right to expect me to live my life in the way that best suits them. it's wrong to assume i grew up with male privilege. being who i am got me a lot of physical and emotional violence, at school and at home, and even as an adult i never had the personality traits that would have allowed me to claim male privilege. being male might be necessary for such privileges, but it most certainly is not sufficient.

i don’t pass well, so by simply living life as myself i "fight the binary" every day. i know that some people hate me though they've never met me. i would hope that people who think of themselves as progressive, who think that biology is not destiny, who want to challenge the social constructs that limit all people, would give me a little more respect, and not assume that they understand all about my life and my identity because they talked to someone once, or read something somewhere, or know someone who knows someone.

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Social constructs
Posted by: jbitch on Aug 5, 2008 9:53 PM   
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A man who wants to believe that he's a woman is still a man just as a white man who believes he's an African-American is still a white man. You don't give up your assumptions & entitlements of privilege just because you've decided you don't belong there anymore.

'Deconstructing gender' so that the 'identity' of woman is accessible to men is no different than deconstructing the identity of African-Americans to make it accessible to white men.

I am American and the only thing I need do to become an African-American is to go and get dual citizenship on both continents. It is that simple. Obviously though it still does not make me anything like a person who has been born black and raised in this country as less than a second-class citizen.

So should I be able now to require that African-Americans change how they see themselves and their history (since clearly it doesn't include me then it is and always has been discriminatory)? Should they now be required to acknowledge that they are/were wrong and have to drop the whole idea of who they think they are in order to accommodate me and others like me? After all we are an invisible minority in the African-American community and the only way we can come out to our true selves is through reconfiguration of our bodies although this might not be enough to enable us to pass. After all, who has seen an African-American with wild Irish red hair or straight Nordic blonde?

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