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The Power of the Miniskirt
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Posted by: ArtemInox on Jul 18, 2008 2:45 AM
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I have nothing. What I did see was typical references to pop culture trash, used as an attempt to lend validity and structure to a thought process that makes me think of a ditzy girl with empty cartoon bubbles around her head, some of them filled with celebrity names and tabloid article titles.
The writing suggested that people take their cues on how to act and dress from pop culture, and that this is what compels the world to change. Is that true? Am I way out of touch for thinking that, generally speaking, anyone over 25, that has a sufficiently developed ego and thought process would perhaps make such choices based on personality, maybe personal taste.
The influence of pop culture would be minimal for someone that can think and act on their own. Maybe I'm way off, an idealist, or clueless. Perhaps it was true for previous generations.
So TV shows, movies and musicians change the world by setting trends and clothing styles? If that is indeed the case, then I need to get with the program. Like millions of others, I can just get my cues from these sources and cease thinking for myself. Then, I can just use pop culture examples to explain my behavior. You know, Madonna did it, why can't I? Makes sense to me.
Hehehe hey remember those stuffed shoulders so popular in the 80's? Jesus, how awful. Even as a child, I knew something was very wrong when I saw a woman with manly cotton shoulders. I know, it seemed like a good idea at the time, it was the thing to do.
It is so disturbing to realize how much of what we do and think now is based on medieval practices and attitudes. And even worse, to realize that as long as people have been able to build cities, farm, and everything else that has come along since then, the basic mind of the species has hardly evolved at all. It is almost better to be just as dumb and easily influenced as the rest of the herd. No one will listen to someone that isn't, the more sense you make, the more you will be persecuted, shouted down, and ignored.
However we got here, it was just plants, rocks, dirt, trees and water when we did. Don’t confuse technological advances with general intelligence of the species as a whole. What the species as a whole is still operating with for the most part is the mindset that allowed for moving a bit above the natural elements.
"Is there nothing left for it except a role as a twat-baring catastrophe for the young, hot and too rich" Part amusing, part disgusting that someone could think this way and be serious about it. Catastrophe.
I suppose it would make perfect sense for me to really think this way if my concerns in life were all about celebrities, what they do and how they do it, quoting movies and tv shows instead of bothering to make intelligent and original statements, having some half-witted understanding of what feminism is supposed to be about, and focused on trivial petty trends of the day. I wonder what it would be like to talk to me if I were like that. Maybe I would get breathless phone calls from my equally shallow friends, dying to tell me the latest “news” about any given celebrity. Then, we could talk about the significance and ramifications of a girl we don’t know not wearing any panties. Catastrophic.
"On the other hand, though, perhaps it will take a bit of determined, bold action on the part of non-Britney types to revive the mini out of its ignominy and back into respectable fashion culture."
Well goddamn feminists, what are you waiting for? The mini-skirt is the way to further the cause. Seriously. Says it right there. You can do it with what you wear, isn't that great? So easy and simple. Instead of changing hearts and minds by example, attitude and substance, just wear whatever is trendy.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 18, 2008 3:28 AM
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So, what does it say when the miniskirt disappears from some cities? And you see more Burkhas than minis?
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Posted by: the man with a dog on Jul 18, 2008 3:35 AM
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I remember vividly (and to my cost) the original mini designed by Mary Quant, the first one I saw was so fantastic that I ran into the car in front which had pulled up sharply to have a second look at the young lady.
So my advice is in the headline and make sure you do not lose your no claims bonus as I did all those years ago.
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Posted by: rancespergl on Jul 18, 2008 4:38 AM
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Posted by: hagwind on Jul 18, 2008 5:16 AM
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In their way mini-skirts were limiting as the high heels and tight skirts my mother and her friends wore whenever they left the house. Whether sitting in a chair or sprawling on the lawn, you had to pay close attention to what your skirt was doing. Seems to me that women's clothing tends to get more restrictive in times when women are getting uppity -- and no, a skirt doesn't have to be long and bulky to restrict one's movement.
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jul 18, 2008 5:23 AM
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 18, 2008 5:30 AM
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Consider this: right now, somewhere in America there is a new Einstein just waiting to discover himself. But he likely never will, because instead of making a *gasp* hobby out of *gasp* studying physics, he is on myspace looking at all the cute girls and listening to Kate Perry sing "I kissed a girl... and I liked it."
"I liked iiiiit."
lol. I liked it? I liked it? What's next, goo goo gaa gaa?
The force that compels this potential Einstein to waste the essense of his life on such a hollow and meaningless pursuit... that force is nothing short of black magic. And it will destroy this country. This country will not survive if our children are under the control of these forces, to the point where it completely destroys all their curiosity about how the world (and the universe) works.
If you want to read something more useful, try this:
In the Preface to "Brave New World," (1932) Aldous Huxley wrote:
"As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends correspondingly to increase. And the dictator will do well to encourage that freedom...it will help to reconcile his subjects to the servitude which is their fate."
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Posted by: coldham on Jul 18, 2008 6:48 AM
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First, I am baffled by women's reverse roles. They have always appeared to me to be the strongest, psychologically, physically, and intellectually. Yet, they act like dopes. More than that, Capitalism expects them to play the dumb role one day, the sophisticated role the next, and the slut on the third. Soemtimes, they manipulate our minds so that they play all the roles at the same time.
Their persona is manipulated from time to time. But, trying to understand them? That is insane. I think the riddle of their nature lies in our economic foundation and a demand for them to be our slaves; otherwise, they have no place. Could that be right.
I remember Fredrick Douglas was invited by the Women who had less rights than blacks. How could that be? He was their hero because he turned America on its heels. The civil war was fought for black rights. What war was fought for women's equality?
Women in America have to use mini-skirts and guile to compete with men. That is sick. America is sick. Who cares what a woman wears. Her person is the most important credit she has. Her sexuality, her siren nature, her cunning are just silly distractions to the person.
I don't know what I am talking about, so feel free to ignore me.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 18, 2008 7:20 AM
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Even in countries like India, women who wear mini-skirts are often frowned upon but then again where the weather is too hot and bugs are everywhere, not even tights would save them. Also, for a strange reason, women wearing saris is far more attractive than women wearing salwar kameez and/or miniskirts. Yes, my wife was surprised about my attraction for saris over skin-tight clothing.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 18, 2008 7:28 AM
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Posted by: yellow on Jul 18, 2008 7:31 AM
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» This is not "psychobabble crap." Added to the list with miniskirts can be body piercings and tatoos!
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jul 18, 2008 8:33 AM
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Posted by: redstarwraith on Jul 18, 2008 8:45 AM
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Posted by: Jim V. on Jul 18, 2008 8:54 AM
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Posted by: PaulK on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 AM
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Sexual freedom is the freedom to flirt with whoever you choose, and the freedom to lure. Women love this freedom to escape a man with an ice-cold touch, a freedom that's unavailable in many countries.
Funny thing is, allure has turned into an expensive arms race. Some rich 50 year old like Madonna goes out and buys a nuclear dress and a curl up and dye job. Every so often a designer comes up with an even flirtier version of, say, the miniskirt, and 100 million women all buy it at once.
Freedom to take a high-paying career usually means that women have to be sexless on the job, just like millions of emasculated men. Hillary's pantsuit did this pretty well. Dress-up exceptions are Madonna's career (explicit flirting work on stage and screen was not bad for her bank account) and office receptionist jobs where women have to supposedly look moderately sexually available to clients (even if they're married when they go home) but they must look professional too.
It's guys that are going to trumpet that Spears turned an inch too far in front of the camera, or that Jackson had a wardrobe malfunction during a televised mock sexual assault. Both were seeking fame and fortune in the explicit flirting profession, and their pushing the envelope too far was an unfortunate part of the business. If Madonna doesn't get enough buzz for a lesbian-like kiss for the cameras, she's miscalculated her flirting on the conservative side.
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Posted by: davmills on Jul 18, 2008 9:36 AM
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Posted by: logansafi on Jul 18, 2008 9:41 AM
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Posted by: Farkle on Jul 18, 2008 9:51 AM
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 18, 2008 10:23 AM
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The European women dressed decently, of course. Long woolen skirts, several layers of underclothes, buttons up to their neck, and 'fainting couches' in every room.
They soon taught those heathens proper dress. And athlete's foot, jock itch & yeast infections came to paradise.
Over the years, each generation has shocked their grandmothers. Why, in the twenties, women started showing their ANKLES! Gramma nearly had a stroke!
The bikini was shocking in its day - but it's pretty mild compared to string bikinis today. Maybe I'm an old guy, but I find a half-exposed twelve-year-old bum to be over-the-top. But then I have no problem with a one-piece that shows more curves and flesh than my grandmother would have thought decent even on a girl of legal age.
Which brings us to the burqa. Americans are good at decrying this horrible practice, but many burqa-wearing women wouldn't be caught dead showing their faces in public. They would consider themselves just as over-exposed as a modern American woman would consider herself if she were topless in a grass skirt with no underwear.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 18, 2008 11:59 AM
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Posted by: MamaPantz on Jul 18, 2008 12:14 PM
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But in the professional environment, much above the knee is inappropriate. I concur that pencil skirts & tea length are appropriate, but let's just leave it at that. Leave the minis to that other "profession" of "Sex for Sale".
How do you function in a mini anyway? I guess if all you do is just stand there, like barbie then cool, but for people that want to sit down with out our legs being glued together, or actually crouch to pick something up it's just a silly piece of cloth pretending to be clothing.
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Posted by: Stell on Jul 18, 2008 12:16 PM
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What about what the women like? For one, in general, women like not to be groped or harassed when doing about their daily business. It is not your "right" as a male to objectify and humiliate women. Grow up. As difficult as it may be for you to grasp, women are people.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 18, 2008 5:20 PM
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She tried it on, but couldn’t figure out what to do with her other leg.
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jul 18, 2008 7:03 PM
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jdfu!
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Jul 19, 2008 12:00 PM
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I think everyone should spend at least a year of their lives as nudists... as part of our education. We need to get over all the naughty-naughty about revealed flesh. All that outrage and shame is unnatural, its a sign of repression. Dispell all the mystery about the body, really see the miriad ways we are human physically. Then the chance view of Britney's or any other womans crotch would be nothing because seeing where someone's legs met would be little different from where their arms join their torso.
You have to realise all the horror that was inflicted on humanity by the church in the middle ages to get those damned, naked, sexually free heathens to become the sexually repressed and thus very controlable mass they became and from whom most of the people that stole this land from the native population and settled here descended from. Some of those things made anything at Abu Grahib or Guantanamo seem like a walk in the park in comparison.
You see, we don't ever question anything like that. We've been convinced through centuries of indoctrination that someone they call god decreed it be so. Kids in Catechism or bible study are punished or humiliated if they question to the point where they end up just giving up and going along. If you think about it those so called heathens live the more natural life. The way any creator, if you believe that way, would have intended.
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Posted by: luckypuck on Jul 19, 2008 9:25 PM
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If she chose to dress that way because she wanted to be brazen or slutty or to defy her parents or religion or current male-dominated conventions or she just didn’t give a damn about giving out twat shots or not or even (OMG!) she did it because she knew it would please some man in her life . . . it was HER decision. She made it. If it was an authentic choice, she clearly had the power after all and so she used it. That’s empowerment. It boggles my mind that so many here, male or female, seem not to know this anymore.
On the other hand, if she chooses, i.e., an authentic choice, to wear maxis and bulky wool sweaters or sweats or a burka, again, she is still empowered because it’s HER CHOICE. ALL options are available to her. She is free to pick and choose anything she wants. Free to choose just like a man, you ask? No, free to choose like any human being, regardless of gender.
But, what goes around comes around. You know what really angers me? These days, I am no longer free, but am required to and must work at empowering myself to wear my Speedo on the beach.
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Posted by: jwverez on Jul 20, 2008 9:53 AM
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Let's make all men shave their legs and wear miniskirts in public. Then, more of them will learn to understand women better. What do you think?
P.S.: I personally don't prefer to wear women's clothings but I have respect for men who do.
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Posted by: pangolin on Jul 20, 2008 3:14 PM
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Maybe test-driven for selected prosepective clients who have established their credentials and cash flow but it's never free.
If freedom of movement was what was wanted they could wear shorts.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Jul 25, 2008 7:05 PM
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The radical changes in the fundamental structure of human relations and societies that have been brought about in the past 50 years are a high risk venture indeed...
We didn't end up with the system we had by accident. No, it developed over thousands of years of trial and error, feast and famine, creation and destruction.
I have a feeling this grand experiment is in for a rude awakening somewhere down the line.
The only thing propping it up is fossil fuel burning technology that creates the level of affluence necessary for our tolerant and egalitarian societies to exist. Man is an inherently tribal and selfish animal, and when the gravy train comes to a halt there will be hell to pay.
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Posted by: ArtemInox on Jul 18, 2008 2:45 AM
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I have nothing. What I did see was typical references to pop culture trash, used as an attempt to lend validity and structure to a thought process that makes me think of a ditzy girl with empty cartoon bubbles around her head, some of them filled with celebrity names and tabloid article titles.
The writing suggested that people take their cues on how to act and dress from pop culture, and that this is what compels the world to change. Is that true? Am I way out of touch for thinking that, generally speaking, anyone over 25, that has a sufficiently developed ego and thought process would perhaps make such choices based on personality, maybe personal taste.
The influence of pop culture would be minimal for someone that can think and act on their own. Maybe I'm way off, an idealist, or clueless. Perhaps it was true for previous generations.
So TV shows, movies and musicians change the world by setting trends and clothing styles? If that is indeed the case, then I need to get with the program. Like millions of others, I can just get my cues from these sources and cease thinking for myself. Then, I can just use pop culture examples to explain my behavior. You know, Madonna did it, why can't I? Makes sense to me.
Hehehe hey remember those stuffed shoulders so popular in the 80's? Jesus, how awful. Even as a child, I knew something was very wrong when I saw a woman with manly cotton shoulders. I know, it seemed like a good idea at the time, it was the thing to do.
It is so disturbing to realize how much of what we do and think now is based on medieval practices and attitudes. And even worse, to realize that as long as people have been able to build cities, farm, and everything else that has come along since then, the basic mind of the species has hardly evolved at all. It is almost better to be just as dumb and easily influenced as the rest of the herd. No one will listen to someone that isn't, the more sense you make, the more you will be persecuted, shouted down, and ignored.
However we got here, it was just plants, rocks, dirt, trees and water when we did. Don’t confuse technological advances with general intelligence of the species as a whole. What the species as a whole is still operating with for the most part is the mindset that allowed for moving a bit above the natural elements.
"Is there nothing left for it except a role as a twat-baring catastrophe for the young, hot and too rich" Part amusing, part disgusting that someone could think this way and be serious about it. Catastrophe.
I suppose it would make perfect sense for me to really think this way if my concerns in life were all about celebrities, what they do and how they do it, quoting movies and tv shows instead of bothering to make intelligent and original statements, having some half-witted understanding of what feminism is supposed to be about, and focused on trivial petty trends of the day. I wonder what it would be like to talk to me if I were like that. Maybe I would get breathless phone calls from my equally shallow friends, dying to tell me the latest “news” about any given celebrity. Then, we could talk about the significance and ramifications of a girl we don’t know not wearing any panties. Catastrophic.
"On the other hand, though, perhaps it will take a bit of determined, bold action on the part of non-Britney types to revive the mini out of its ignominy and back into respectable fashion culture."
Well goddamn feminists, what are you waiting for? The mini-skirt is the way to further the cause. Seriously. Says it right there. You can do it with what you wear, isn't that great? So easy and simple. Instead of changing hearts and minds by example, attitude and substance, just wear whatever is trendy.
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So, what does it say when the miniskirt disappears from some cities? And you see more Burkhas than minis?
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Posted by: the man with a dog on Jul 18, 2008 3:35 AM
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I remember vividly (and to my cost) the original mini designed by Mary Quant, the first one I saw was so fantastic that I ran into the car in front which had pulled up sharply to have a second look at the young lady.
So my advice is in the headline and make sure you do not lose your no claims bonus as I did all those years ago.
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In their way mini-skirts were limiting as the high heels and tight skirts my mother and her friends wore whenever they left the house. Whether sitting in a chair or sprawling on the lawn, you had to pay close attention to what your skirt was doing. Seems to me that women's clothing tends to get more restrictive in times when women are getting uppity -- and no, a skirt doesn't have to be long and bulky to restrict one's movement.
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Consider this: right now, somewhere in America there is a new Einstein just waiting to discover himself. But he likely never will, because instead of making a *gasp* hobby out of *gasp* studying physics, he is on myspace looking at all the cute girls and listening to Kate Perry sing "I kissed a girl... and I liked it."
"I liked iiiiit."
lol. I liked it? I liked it? What's next, goo goo gaa gaa?
The force that compels this potential Einstein to waste the essense of his life on such a hollow and meaningless pursuit... that force is nothing short of black magic. And it will destroy this country. This country will not survive if our children are under the control of these forces, to the point where it completely destroys all their curiosity about how the world (and the universe) works.
If you want to read something more useful, try this:
In the Preface to "Brave New World," (1932) Aldous Huxley wrote:
"As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends correspondingly to increase. And the dictator will do well to encourage that freedom...it will help to reconcile his subjects to the servitude which is their fate."
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First, I am baffled by women's reverse roles. They have always appeared to me to be the strongest, psychologically, physically, and intellectually. Yet, they act like dopes. More than that, Capitalism expects them to play the dumb role one day, the sophisticated role the next, and the slut on the third. Soemtimes, they manipulate our minds so that they play all the roles at the same time.
Their persona is manipulated from time to time. But, trying to understand them? That is insane. I think the riddle of their nature lies in our economic foundation and a demand for them to be our slaves; otherwise, they have no place. Could that be right.
I remember Fredrick Douglas was invited by the Women who had less rights than blacks. How could that be? He was their hero because he turned America on its heels. The civil war was fought for black rights. What war was fought for women's equality?
Women in America have to use mini-skirts and guile to compete with men. That is sick. America is sick. Who cares what a woman wears. Her person is the most important credit she has. Her sexuality, her siren nature, her cunning are just silly distractions to the person.
I don't know what I am talking about, so feel free to ignore me.
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Even in countries like India, women who wear mini-skirts are often frowned upon but then again where the weather is too hot and bugs are everywhere, not even tights would save them. Also, for a strange reason, women wearing saris is far more attractive than women wearing salwar kameez and/or miniskirts. Yes, my wife was surprised about my attraction for saris over skin-tight clothing.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 AM
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Sexual freedom is the freedom to flirt with whoever you choose, and the freedom to lure. Women love this freedom to escape a man with an ice-cold touch, a freedom that's unavailable in many countries.
Funny thing is, allure has turned into an expensive arms race. Some rich 50 year old like Madonna goes out and buys a nuclear dress and a curl up and dye job. Every so often a designer comes up with an even flirtier version of, say, the miniskirt, and 100 million women all buy it at once.
Freedom to take a high-paying career usually means that women have to be sexless on the job, just like millions of emasculated men. Hillary's pantsuit did this pretty well. Dress-up exceptions are Madonna's career (explicit flirting work on stage and screen was not bad for her bank account) and office receptionist jobs where women have to supposedly look moderately sexually available to clients (even if they're married when they go home) but they must look professional too.
It's guys that are going to trumpet that Spears turned an inch too far in front of the camera, or that Jackson had a wardrobe malfunction during a televised mock sexual assault. Both were seeking fame and fortune in the explicit flirting profession, and their pushing the envelope too far was an unfortunate part of the business. If Madonna doesn't get enough buzz for a lesbian-like kiss for the cameras, she's miscalculated her flirting on the conservative side.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 18, 2008 10:23 AM
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The European women dressed decently, of course. Long woolen skirts, several layers of underclothes, buttons up to their neck, and 'fainting couches' in every room.
They soon taught those heathens proper dress. And athlete's foot, jock itch & yeast infections came to paradise.
Over the years, each generation has shocked their grandmothers. Why, in the twenties, women started showing their ANKLES! Gramma nearly had a stroke!
The bikini was shocking in its day - but it's pretty mild compared to string bikinis today. Maybe I'm an old guy, but I find a half-exposed twelve-year-old bum to be over-the-top. But then I have no problem with a one-piece that shows more curves and flesh than my grandmother would have thought decent even on a girl of legal age.
Which brings us to the burqa. Americans are good at decrying this horrible practice, but many burqa-wearing women wouldn't be caught dead showing their faces in public. They would consider themselves just as over-exposed as a modern American woman would consider herself if she were topless in a grass skirt with no underwear.
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But in the professional environment, much above the knee is inappropriate. I concur that pencil skirts & tea length are appropriate, but let's just leave it at that. Leave the minis to that other "profession" of "Sex for Sale".
How do you function in a mini anyway? I guess if all you do is just stand there, like barbie then cool, but for people that want to sit down with out our legs being glued together, or actually crouch to pick something up it's just a silly piece of cloth pretending to be clothing.
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What about what the women like? For one, in general, women like not to be groped or harassed when doing about their daily business. It is not your "right" as a male to objectify and humiliate women. Grow up. As difficult as it may be for you to grasp, women are people.
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She tried it on, but couldn’t figure out what to do with her other leg.
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I think everyone should spend at least a year of their lives as nudists... as part of our education. We need to get over all the naughty-naughty about revealed flesh. All that outrage and shame is unnatural, its a sign of repression. Dispell all the mystery about the body, really see the miriad ways we are human physically. Then the chance view of Britney's or any other womans crotch would be nothing because seeing where someone's legs met would be little different from where their arms join their torso.
You have to realise all the horror that was inflicted on humanity by the church in the middle ages to get those damned, naked, sexually free heathens to become the sexually repressed and thus very controlable mass they became and from whom most of the people that stole this land from the native population and settled here descended from. Some of those things made anything at Abu Grahib or Guantanamo seem like a walk in the park in comparison.
You see, we don't ever question anything like that. We've been convinced through centuries of indoctrination that someone they call god decreed it be so. Kids in Catechism or bible study are punished or humiliated if they question to the point where they end up just giving up and going along. If you think about it those so called heathens live the more natural life. The way any creator, if you believe that way, would have intended.
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If she chose to dress that way because she wanted to be brazen or slutty or to defy her parents or religion or current male-dominated conventions or she just didn’t give a damn about giving out twat shots or not or even (OMG!) she did it because she knew it would please some man in her life . . . it was HER decision. She made it. If it was an authentic choice, she clearly had the power after all and so she used it. That’s empowerment. It boggles my mind that so many here, male or female, seem not to know this anymore.
On the other hand, if she chooses, i.e., an authentic choice, to wear maxis and bulky wool sweaters or sweats or a burka, again, she is still empowered because it’s HER CHOICE. ALL options are available to her. She is free to pick and choose anything she wants. Free to choose just like a man, you ask? No, free to choose like any human being, regardless of gender.
But, what goes around comes around. You know what really angers me? These days, I am no longer free, but am required to and must work at empowering myself to wear my Speedo on the beach.
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Let's make all men shave their legs and wear miniskirts in public. Then, more of them will learn to understand women better. What do you think?
P.S.: I personally don't prefer to wear women's clothings but I have respect for men who do.
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Maybe test-driven for selected prosepective clients who have established their credentials and cash flow but it's never free.
If freedom of movement was what was wanted they could wear shorts.
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The radical changes in the fundamental structure of human relations and societies that have been brought about in the past 50 years are a high risk venture indeed...
We didn't end up with the system we had by accident. No, it developed over thousands of years of trial and error, feast and famine, creation and destruction.
I have a feeling this grand experiment is in for a rude awakening somewhere down the line.
The only thing propping it up is fossil fuel burning technology that creates the level of affluence necessary for our tolerant and egalitarian societies to exist. Man is an inherently tribal and selfish animal, and when the gravy train comes to a halt there will be hell to pay.
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